User talk:CalmTheMongoose

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Happy editing! :Jay8g [V•T•E] 20:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! CalmTheMongoose (talk) 23:02, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bisexual DC characters

Good night! I'm not familiar with the show you mentioned, so I wanted to clarify one thing. Does the show mention the bisexual orientation of the characters outside of said drunken kiss? Or is this only explored in the comics as part of the original characters' identity? Solaire the knight (talk) 22:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't mind a spoiler, the two characters do eventually become a couple. I haven't finished the series yet, but so far they haven't labeled their orientations. CalmTheMongoose (talk) 23:02, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If they became a couple with each other (in the show), then this is enough to talk about attraction to people of the same sex, but I'm not sure about bisexuality (someone can always suggest pansexuality or calling it original research due to the lack of labeling in the show itself). I'm just saying that in order to be added to the list, it would either require a direct statement from the writers or an unequivocal portrayal of a character in the show as queer. In this case, being attracted to other women doesn't necessarily mean you're bisexual, and you can easily discount an alcohol-induced kiss, so I'm afraid it might require more meat, if you know what I mean. Solaire the knight (talk) 07:19, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mean to intrude upon your convo, but I have been editing lists for a few years and it's important to keep in mind that regardless of what we may personally think or know, everything in Wikipedia requires citing reliable sources. Verifiability is a core content policy.
WP:PROOF states: "...verifiability means people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than editors' beliefs, opinions, experiences, or previously unpublished ideas or information. Even if you are sure something is true, it must have been previously published in a reliable source before you can add it ...All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists, and captions, must be verifiable."
This means that regardless of what you have seen or heard about a character, if you don't have reliable sources that describe that character as bisexual it cannot be included in a list of bisexual characters (and sources that only describe a character as "queer" are of no use because they're inexplicit). Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 11:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your participation! This is one of the reasons I'm hesitant about lists other than the general one, because while usually shows or sources more or less confirm a character's queer identity, the number of sources directly stating a character's exact identity is relatively rare, especially in Asian media (shows where anime characters directly talk about their sexual identity can be counted on one hand). Unless it will be confirmed directly by the creators. Usually people just use tags based on the relationship shown in the show, a prime example of which would be "my sempai is a guy". Solaire the knight (talk) 12:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't add Harper Row, I just edited the section to give away less spoilers.

I think she's there because she uses that label in the comics, meaning she is a bi character who was adapted into animation, and in the show, she forms relationships with characters of multiple genders. If that's not enough, feel free to edit or delete the section for her. CalmTheMongoose (talk) 12:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still have some doubts, but I'm not familiar with this show/characters so I don't think it's appropriate for me to get involved. The only thing I would like to ask is to add some additional context so that there are no questions about Harper's continuity in the comics and series. For example, quote her words from the comic or describe it like "in the original comics on which the series is based, she explicitly identifies as bisexual." But this is a request, not a requirement. Solaire the knight (talk) 13:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, what appears in original comics isn't always presented in animated shows and film versions (as well as live action films), so sources that only support the existence of bisexual characters in comics are not relevant sources for verifying bisexual characters in animated shows and films. At some point in time, an editor may check what the sources say and if they don't comply with WP:V and WP:NOR, the characters need to be removed. Editors cannot do in Wikipedia what they can do in Fandom. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 03:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know that with comics there can be very strong differences in continuity and character portrayal, but since I'm not familiar with them, that's all I can offer. Judging by the other Western characters on these lists, I think the best option might be some author interview.Solaire the knight (talk) 08:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]