User talk:Charlesaaronthompson/Archive 2

Stadium tenants

Hello there! I just wanted to leave a quick note that for the stadium articles under the section "tenants", things like conference championship games, Super Bowls, and other major events aren't considered tenants, even if they are annual. Instead, they should be mentioned in the text of the article, usually their own section or a section for "other events". A tenant is a team or organization that regularly uses a stadium; i.e. it's their home field (or was their home field), so they have/had some degree of say in how the stadium is used and any changes that happen, plus they have very visible branding all over the stadium. Bowl games are typically listed for a variety of reasons, mostly because many bowl games have organizations that are based at a stadium or near it (the Rose Bowl is the best example of that). If championship games and other events are listed (like Wrestlemania), it opens the door for pretty much any notable event to be listed on the tenant list and suddenly, especially in the case of older facilities, the tenant list is excessively long and it's hard for users to even identify what team(s) call/called the stadium home. For specific teams, those that use the stadium as their home venue regularly are listed, so for temporary instances like the Buffalo Bills having a "home" game at Ford Field this past season, they wouldn't be listed as a tenant at Ford Field. Any questions, feel free to ask! --JonRidinger (talk) 19:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

NBA season edits

Hey I was just wondering why you keep on removing the edits I made to the NBA seasons lists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThatSportsGuy (talk • contribs) 01:26, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

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February 2015

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February 14, 2015

In response to Walter Görlitz, all I have to say is that I didn't use any copyright information. I don't even know who that band is. I definitely didn't copy and paste from that Facebook page, either. All I did was re-write for clarity/grammar/appropriate en dashes (symbolized as –). I would not use copyrighted material without permission first. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 07:18, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

GE Building/Comcast Building

Please don't move the page "GE Building" to "Comcast Building" without discussion. There is currently a talk page thread about this. Thanks. Epic Genius (talk) 16:05, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

NBA Playoffs

Noticed your bold attempt to change to upper case. You can always bring it to WP:RM, but see Talk:NBA draft for similar attempts to get that to "NBA Draft". That being said, that same editor who prefers lowercase has failed twice at Talk:Rose_Bowl_Game to get it to "Rose Bowl game". Happy editing.—Bagumba (talk) 00:11, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

February 2015

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NCAA official colors

Hello. I am curious as to where you found the official HTML color code – #007AC3, w/RGB combination of 0 R, 122 G, 195 B at? I cannot find it on the website, which is why I say the colors should match the logo. Then again, I cannot find anywhere where the Association states their "official colors". Corkythehornetfan | Chat? 21:06, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

NCAA official colors – February 27, 2015

In response to Corkythehornetfan, all I did was visit the official National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) website (http://www.ncaa.com). Once there, I right-clicked "View Image" on the main logo to get this image: http://i.turner.ncaa.com/dr/ncaa/ncaa7/release/sites/all/themes/ncaa/ncaa-respo/logo.png, which I then saved to my Pictures folder. I then opened the file in Microsoft Paint. Once I did that, I clicked on the color picker tool to get the color. I found the HTML color code when I clicked on "Edit Colors", which told me the red, green and blue values for that color. I then Google-searched "CMYK to RGB color conversion". I entered in the RGB color values, and this is how I was able to determine what the HTML code was: http://web.forret.com/tools/color.asp?R=0&G=122&B=195. I hope this helps. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:45, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it does. Thanks for your explanation! Corkythehornetfan | Chat? 22:57, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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March 18, 2015

Hello Wikipedians: I'm sorry and I want to apologize, for I've been making edits to collegiate template navboxes with the IP address 174.27.7.77 (talk), among other IP addresses. I hope this doesn't get me banned from editing Wikipedia permanently. When I made those edits, I didn't want to log in, because I didn't want to clog up my contributions page. I wasn't trying to sockpuppet any other user or vandalize any page; I just wanted those collegiate template navboxes to have the correct HTML color hex codes, because I think/believe that having the correct HTML color hex codes goes a long way toward enhancing Wikipedia readers' understanding/knowledge of a particular athletic team. By not having the correct HTML color hex codes, a reader might be misled into believing a certain athletic team has one set of colors, when in reality there are more correct HTML color hex codes that should be applied to Wikipedia's pages covering athletic teams and related topics. I apologize for any confusion. From now on, I'll log in to make edits so as not to sockpuppet any other user.

Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 23:05, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

How do you receive those hex codes for the universities? The only reason I am asking is because this is different than how you did the NCAA navboxes. Schools have some sort of graphic standards which give the Hex code and PMS/CMYK/RGB codes. Going off of the logos would be inaccurate and you would have to go to the school's website to search for it. For those who do not produce some sort of graphic standards, you can go off of the logo. I've been updating some from the major conferences, as well. Most of the Division I schools use a template -- {{CollegePrimaryStyle}} template. (i.e. {{CollegePrimaryStyle|Kansas Jayhawks}}). If they are in the navboxes already, you cannot override them. If they are not already, either you can put it in or believe that it will be put in soon. Corkythehornetfan | Chat? 01:55, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Usually, what I did was I Google Searched "(school) official colors". Sometimes, the first result that came up was a brand identity guide put out by a specific university's web communications department. For example, I Google searched "university of north carolina official colors" (here is the url for that Google search: https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=657&noj=1&site=webhp&source=hp&q=university+of+north+carolina+official+colors&oq=university+of+north+carolina+official+colors&gs_l=hp.3..0j0i22i30l9.3159.10000.0.10202.50.47.2.1.1.0.194.4798.25j21.46.0.msedr...0...1c.1.62.hp..1.49.4810.tmxRPkQbmsU). The first result for that Google search was "Carolina Blue & Color Guidelines", and the url was http://identity.unc.edu/colors/)

That's how I found out what the hex codes were for North Carolina at Chapel Hill. I employed a similar method for the other universities and their associated athletic programs. From now on, if I see the {{CollegePrimaryStyle}} template, I'll leave it alone, since I cannot change it. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 03:00, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Did you not understand that you don't replace the College Primary Style templates? I see you did that with the Boise Broncos men's bball template. I believe you said you wouldn't replace it. Please do not do it again. Corky | Chat? 15:30, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Why can't I change the {{CollegePrimaryStyle}} template for these universities and their athletic programs? For example, the Template:Idaho State University is not supposed to be gray/silver. Idaho State University's official colors are orange and black: http://www.isu.edu/urelate/standards/wordmark.shtml. All I was trying to do was update the HTML colors in the template to reflect the official colors. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 18:57, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure why we can't, but I was told the same thing I'm telling you about it. If you have a problem with the colors, you can always comment on the template's talk page and someone will see it, or you can ask another user. I'll be glad to help if you need it. I did fix the colors in the navbox, so it should be fixed. If the orange is still wrong, let me know. Corky | Chat? 20:44, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

OK, so I cannot change the template for American universities and their associated athletic programs away from {{CollegePrimaryStyle}}. I understand that. I'm just curious as to how to change the colors within the {{CollegePrimaryStyle}} navbox? How do you do it? The only reason why I'm asking is because I'm trying to ensure that the color information is as accurate as possible. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 05:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Frankly, Charles, you have not earned the trust on Wikipedia to start changing official schools colors. None of your colors-related edits have been by consensus and not many of your edit summaries indicate where these new hex codes comes from. Jrcla2 (talk) 07:12, 29 March 2015 (UTC)`

OK, so I guess how do I earn trust? I will say that where I get my information is from Google. I Google search "[school] official colors" and then I use a Web CMYK to RGB color conversion page to find out what the appropriate HTML code is. That's my method. If providing edit summaries is needed, I can do that. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 15:02, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Charlesaaronthompson, that is the problem. We'll start with one you've listed above, UNC–Chapel Hill. Some schools, like UNC–Chapel Hill, do state the hex code on their website and/or branding guidelines (PDF version). Here, UNC–Chapel Hill states that the hex code is #56A0D3, but yet here, you changed it to #6699CC. You need to do more searching on the school's website before you do what you did. Don't use google, use the school's website. You can use Google to find the school's website, but when you want their colors, search for them on their website. Most of the bigger schools (Div. I) have their own branding guide like I said, and they make it pretty easy to find. Doing something like you did at the UNC–Chapel Hill article is what makes you not so trustworthy. Granted you do it in good faith, but you need to take more time in looking to see if the schools have a hex code, as most will probably list one. Corky | Chat? 15:27, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

March 2015

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So does me making an edit while logged in publicly reveal my IP address? Also, as long as I only make edits to pages while logged in, I'm good, right? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 00:38, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Editing while logged in does not publicly reveal your IP address and yes, if you edit while logged in you're good. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 00:44, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Seattle Seahawks

I'll leave the colors, but for the radio affiliates link, it needs to be as a reference. Read WP:EL -- In the very first paragraph, it re reads "...but they should not normally be placed in the body of an article." Why you think the external link needs to be there, I don't know, and maybe you can explain, but it should be listed as a reference per WP:EL. Please do not revert it again. Corky | Chat? 01:10, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Tip

Hey, Charles. I just wanted to give you a tip since you are updating colors. When you change/update the colors for team (especially if it is in an infobox), you might want to add a references to it to back your claims up so a user doesn't go reverting your edits. I don't know if you've added references when you changed them, but the ones I've seen, you haven't. It's just a tip, you can do it if you'd like, but just know that some user might go reverting those edits if you can't provide a reliable source to back up your claim. A really good RS would be from the team's (or university's) website. Corky | Chat? 03:22, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Dear Corky | Chat?, I understand that I probably should add a reliable source to the updated colors of each sports team's page edit; however, I thought I did provide references to updating the official HTML colors for the U.S. Military Academy, as shown here? I only provided edit summaries for the other three pages I updated yesterday (the U.S. Naval Academy, the Army Black Knights, and the Navy Midshipmen), to be honest. I tried Google searching the official colors of the U.S. Naval Academy, but no luck. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 05:12, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Colors in NBA divisions infobox

Hi Charlesaaronthompson, there is a discussion about the use of color box inside the NBA division infobox that you might be interested. Thanks. — MT (talk) 07:17, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Editing from article alerts

You might not have been aware, but your edit to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball was made on an older version of the page, undoing subsequent edits, such as the archiving of old discussions. I'm going to guess that you clicked edit from the "View changes" option in the article alerts? In the future, be aware that it results in edits from the version the diff was taken from, not the latest version. You might have missed the message in pink: "You are editing an old revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since then will be removed." It's a bit of a clumsy user interface, so you aren't the first (nor will you be the last) this has happened to.—Bagumba (talk) 05:00, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, my intent was not to undo subsequent edits to the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball page. My intent was to contribute to the talk page. I did not honestly intend to undo that. I apologize. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 01:22, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Question about NBA colors

Hi, I'm a big fan of your work on correcting the NBA team colors from the official Reproduction Guideline Sheet. I'm planning to correct every NBA colors used in Template:NBA color by editing the Module:Basketball color/data. Just a few question though, where do you get the links to all 30 teams' Reproduction Guideline Sheet? How do you convert the colors listed on that Sheet into HEX colors? — MT (talk) 09:19, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello MT (talk): I will explain where I found the links to all 30 National Basketball Association (NBA) team's Reproduction Guideline Sheets. I found them at this url (NBA Media Central). You have to check the box that says "I have read the NBA Media Central Terms and understand and accept the obligations required of me", then click the 'Accept' button. Once logged in, there's a section called 'Logos'. Hover the mouse over that, and there's a drop-down menu with the first result saying 'NBA Logos'. The url then takes you to this page, which will only show if logged in. Click 'I Accept'. On the left hand side, there's a section called 'Team Logos'. Click that, and you now are at a url that lists links to all 30 NBA teams' Reproduction Guideline Sheets, as well as one .PDF document listing all 30 team's primary and secondary logos, as well as color information. The NBA lists colors in the Reproduction Guideline Sheet for all 30 teams by the CMYK (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Key {Black}) color model first, then by the RGB (Red, Green, and Blue) color model second. In the composite sheet, the NBA lists each team's colors by the CMYK model only. I Google Searched "CMYK to RGB", and the web page I used to convert colors is here. That's how I converted the colors listed on each NBA team's Reproduction Guideline Sheet into HEX or HTML colors. I found that determining which color model to use depends on what the colors should look like according to the Reproduction Guideline Sheet. Not every team uses the CMYK color model, and not every team uses the RGB color model. It just depends on what it should look like. Hopefully this helps. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 16:52, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Wow thanks for taking your time to write this explanation. This surely helps a lot in my effort to ensure the correct colors are being used in Template:NBA color. Cheers! — MT (talk) 02:56, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

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pp-vandalism tag

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Caps in lists

I saw that you capitalized a list of colors at Golden State Warriors. Per MOS:LISTCAPS, colors like "Royal blue" should not made into "Royal Blue". Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 05:46, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Hawaii colors

You added a ref cite for the article that states that the school colors are green, black, white, and silver and simultaneously removed the black and silver? GWFrog (talk) 20:23, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

The official colors for the University of Hawaii at Manoa and its athletic teams are green and white, per the University of Hawai‘i Graphics Standards, and also the University of Hawai‘i's 2014–15 undergraduate student catalog. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 20:41, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Please READ the article http://hawaiiathletics.com/sports/2012/6/18/GEN_0618120234.aspx?tab=uhtraditions that YOU posted as a ref cite and then removed when you reverted my return of black and silver to the infobox. I only included those colors in the first place because I had read that article, wherein the Hawaii athletic department says that they are, in fact, "...part of the color palette of Hawaii's athletic teams:" As for the other ref cite (grahics guide) you added, it is useful for providing the exact shade of green, but it does not specifically address the athletics logo, while the "Traditions" cite does, giving the reasons for the inclusion of all four colors... GWFrog (talk) 21:22, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

OK, I read that article that I posted. I undid my revision and restored black and silver to the colors in the infobox. I changed the HTML color code for silver to #C0C0C0, using the eyedropper tool in Adobe Photoshop CC 2014 (32 bit) to determine the HTML color code. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:53, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanx muchly... Beyond what I already said, the reason I used all 4 was because I just chanced to go ahead and read the tradition article when I clicked on it instead what I was really looking for... GWFrog (talk) 00:14, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

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"Comcast Building"

I see this is the second time you've unilaterally moved this article without discussion. The issue has already been raised on the article's talk page, on which you have yet to participate, and the move questioned. And regardless of what a sign says or who owns it, WP:COMMONNAME determines article titles and I can't find that "Comcast Building" is now preferred usage in secondary sources. You can contribute an argument to the contrary on the article talk page to try and establish consensus support for it. postdlf (talk) 20:35, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Re: Moving photo files to new names

Re your message: I moved the file for you as requested and updated the team's Infobox. You can use the {{rename media}} template to request a rename of files.

On a side note, it was a pleasant surprise to see somebody whom I welcomed five years ago still editing. I'm always surprised when I see my name appear in something I had done years ago. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 01:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Edit summary

Charles, it would be really helpful if you'd give a summary as to what you're changing. I've recently noticed you have changed things on templates, but didn't give a reason. It looks like you do use the edit summary, but only sometimes. It isn't really that hard to type a few words in the box. Corkythehornetfan 16:33, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I second this. When you do something like changing colors, there's no knowing what you intended - or why it's the correct edit - without your giving some indication of what you just did. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 16:54, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

NBA team colors

Hi,

How do you access http://courtside.nba.com? When I click on it, I need to login, but there's no registration button. When I try to use my NBA login, I still get nothing. – Sabbatino (talk) 08:27, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't think you can access the NBA Media Central site that way. I will redirect you to NBA Media Central's current URL. Once logged in, you have to look for a section titled "NBA Logos". Click on that, and it will take you to this page. Click 'Accept'. Team logos are accessed on the left hand side, at this URL. Hope this helps. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 16:00, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. But aren't you afraid to post that user and password information here? Or it can't be changed? Anyway, I explored the site a bit downloaded 3 zips containing certain team schemes and logged out. Thanks again. One more question can I create my own account there freely? – Sabbatino (talk) 16:50, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

EDIT: One more question - is there a similar site which has NHL teams' color schemes? – Sabbatino (talk) 16:53, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you can create your own account with NBA Media Central. Also, I'm not aware of a similar site for NHL teams. I only have access to the NBA site. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 17:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Take care. – Sabbatino (talk) 19:03, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi again. Just want to inform you that I found a website which has major US sport leagues' color codes. Of course I checked the values and so far everything is the same as in those NBA Media zip files. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:38, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

College colors

Charles, when you are changing the colors to university athletic articles, make sure they are correct. You changed the Washington Huskies at the Module, but those are the university academic colors, not the athletics. The Athletics Dept. has their own branding and their own color palette. You need to check BOTH the university and athletic websites before you go and change the colors. Corkythehornetfan 23:30, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Similar problem with UCLA as well with this same edit. May I suggest using an edit summary with your source, and perhaps separate edits for each school. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 17:44, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Whitecaps colours again

The template deals with all of the teams since 1974 and the dark blue is a colour shared by all three generations of teams. That's why it alone should be used, and not the new light colour of the MLS franchise. The colour scheme you've selected for the team is not an improvement over the existing colours.

• First,   fff    is the semantically equal in HTML to   FFF   , and   ffffff   and   white  , so I'm not sure why you're making that change everywhere. A bot will likely come by and change it at some point, and if not a bot, an automated editing tool. It's not a necessary change.
• Second  the older colour  and  your proposed colour  are not equal. The colour is from http://static.mlsdigital.net/next/avatars/VAN_avatar-400x400.png, at least when polled in Windows. But the team's logo, http://www.whitecapsfc.com/sites/all/themes/vancouver/img/logo.png, returns 001943. Clearly 00235d is from an older style guide, probably from their first or second season. The blue has become slightly lighter, but which colour is correct? Shall I contact the team to ask what their Pantone colours are? PNG isn't 100% correct. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:26, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I made the changes from   fff    to   FFFFFF    in each team's infoboxes because the HTML colors should be consistent, both in capitalization and also in the number of letters used within the color box (so mostly consistency reasons). Contacting the team to ask what their Pantone colours are would be extremely helpful, because it would come from an official source. Getting information from an official source is extremely useful, because it's the team that's saying what their colors are, and also because of that, a sports fan can then know to trust the colors as accurate. Please post any responses you get from the team on my talk page. I'm tired of being in edit wars with other editors regarding official HTML color information. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 05:35, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You see here for a reason to why #FFF should be #FFFFFF. As for capitalization, it doesn't really matter. Corkythehornetfan 05:46, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I just tried in my sandbox and viewed it in IE 11 and then using emulation mode all the way back to IE5. It showed the three-colour hex just fine. So the colours are consistent. They were before the change and they were after. There's also no grounds for consistency across articles.

As for edit wars, it's been a busy week for me, but that's no excuse on my part for reverting rather than discussing. It probably would have gone better if you mentioned it on a MLS page somewhere. I have all of the teams on my watch list and have seen all of the main space changes, but not to all of the templates. I have a special interest in the Whitecaps though and understand how the colours were chosen. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:01, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

That's fine, but are the HTML colors official? I just don't want inaccurate color info displayed in Wikipedia articles. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 07:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Walter Görlitz, that was dated back in 2012 so I'm guessing by your comment that is has been fixed. Corkythehornetfan 07:11, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I recognize that, and that's why I used browser emulation (hit F12 and select emulation). As a software tester, I have learned tricks like this. It may have been a specific plugin that the user had. However, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3108860/using-3-digit-color-codes-rather-than-6-digit-color-codes-in-css claims it affects some types of tags in IE10. I stand corrected. It may not affect all tags, but it's clear that it's some. I'm not willing to test the changes in IE10.

As for accurate colours, the Whitecaps template colours are accurate for the original club, yes. The heading text was accurate for the first- and second-season team colour. I investigated the same way you did. They may have changed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:21, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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Also, please keep WP:CONTRAST in mind when editing colors. Dark colors don't usually blend well together. The edits on the Seattle Seahawks that I changed to white font works better – it's more legible. I'm working on other templates and maybe on others. Please do not revert again and use your edit summary. Thanks. Corkythehornetfan 17:37, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Edit warring Joeykai (talk) 18:28, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

July 2015

Your recent editing history at Module:Baseball color/data shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Credentials

In spirit of WP:NOT, I don't think it's appropriate to leave credentials for restricted sites on Wikipedia. Mark the "subscription" parameter in {{cite web}} instead. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 21:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I have been doing that exactly. I put the credentials in the {{cite web}} template. What is the message really about? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:52, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps you misread, I was saying it is not appropriate to leave them. Wikpedia should respect restricted access that sites set up.—Bagumba (talk) 21:55, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I get that, but how else will Wikipedia readers verify for themselves that the color information is accurate? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:59, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with "offline" sources—in this case, online but restricted. That's what the hover text on the citation will tell the reader when "subscription" is set. I'm going err on the side of caution and revert back to remove the info. Feel free to get consensus at an appropriate noticeboard if you feel that Wikipedia should provide them.—Bagumba (talk) 22:04, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

That should be fine, but where's the appropriate noticeboard where I can comment on it? I guess I need to somehow try to find consensus on topics like these, since the last thing I want to be involved in is an edit war. Oh and BTW, where's the noticeboard for Module:Baseball color/data? I need to find it so I can try to reach consensus with other editors regarding Major League Baseball (MLB) team colors. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Being bold and being reverted is an acceptable cycle of editing. Of course, edit warring is not. I' normally avoid reverting again once I start a discussion, but this seems like a worthy exception, something akin to a copyright violation, except involving disseminating information that circumvents another site's wish to have restricted access. I'm not sure exactly where to ask questions on existing policies, but Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard might work; if not, someone will redirect you. Alternatively, you can also try WP:HELPDESK to ask for an appropriate location. As for your baseball question, how about WT:BASEBALL?—Bagumba (talk) 22:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

OK, I found the WT:BASEBALL page and left a message asking to find official MLB team colors. How do I avoid being blocked/banned for edit warring for Module:Baseball color/data? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Have you read Wikipedia:Dispute resolution?—Bagumba (talk) 22:55, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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Which logo fails the non-free image policy? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 01:25, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

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Orioles colors

Your link didn't lead anywhere. Please see my link [1]. Please stop the editing war and direct future communication to my talk page

Banner heading

Please explain why the banner is necessary. It's obvious the list is about the Minnesota Vikings, hence the title of the article. They're also mentioned several times in the text above the table. I fail to see how the banner could be described as anything other than superfluous. – PeeJay 16:48, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

The banner is necessary for every team's all time seasons article because it identifies the start dates for every incarnation of each team. For example, a banner would be necessary for the Tennessee Titans because that team used to be known as the Tennessee Oilers, and before that, the Houston Oilers. It allows the reader to know when a team changed either its geographic name, team nickname, or both. That's why it's necessary. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 17:03, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

The Vikings have never been known by another name, nor have they ever played in another city, so their banner is unnecessary. Please delete it. – PeeJay 17:29, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

The Vikings banner is necessary because it displays their team's colors, which are different from the other 31 teams. Having a banner there is consistent with other sports teams' season articles. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 17:35, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

The banner is not necessary. The team's colours are completely irrelevant to this article. I can see how banners would be necessary for teams that had changed their name or colours on multiple occasions, but the Vikings have not. Furthermore, they are not unique in that regard, and I presume you have added unnecessary banners to other teams' articles. Please remove all the unnecessary ones. – PeeJay 17:46, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

More color

PeeJay2K3, interesting that you would note something about color. Charles, this edit is all cute and stuff, but in this summary, as you did above, you seem to suggest that choosing team color is somehow more important than accessibility. Using Snook's tool, your colors fail one out of two (since it's not big/bold font), and it scores "sort of" compliant. The Colour Contrast Analyser delivers the same result. Really, that's not good enough: accessibility overrides team color. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 01:16, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

• And looking around on this talk page, there's plenty here to suggest that you attach way too much importance to color; Corkythehornetfan has pointed this out to you before, last month. Drmies (talk) 01:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I do think color is important. This is because I strive to ensure that other Wikipedia readers know that the colors in the articles they read are as accurate as possible. I believe in sports team color accuracy. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 01:21, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

And I believe in accessibility for those without young, sharp eyes and expensive screens. You have yet to explain why scores need colors in the first place. Perhaps for readers who can't read the words "Idaho" and "Boise State"? Have you considered that colorblind readers, who can't "read" your colors, now also can't see the text? BTW, your other team scores the same result: not WCAG 2 AAA Compliant. Now, I don't know what to do here, but I have a few options, and so do you. You could make the text and the colors compliant. Or I could tag the article (see Template:Overcolored). Or I could post this somewhere for other editors to look at, like ANI. I have no real desire to do any of these things, but I think accessibility is important enough. Think on it. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 01:36, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Stop. Just please stop harassing/antagonizing me about this. I don't want inaccurate colors. I mentioned it in the edit summary, found here. I also believe accessibility is important. That's why I changed the link color to black. It's the only color that works. Those colors for Boise State and Idaho are official, as found here for Boise State, and found here for the University of Idaho.

This is not harassment. You're not the victim. Colorblind Wikipedia readers are. Your colors simply don't comply--at least partly they're at odds with the letter, and they're wholly at odds with the spirit. Drmies (talk) 01:49, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

What if I changed the background color for Boise State to #09347A, and the text color to #FFFFFF? I've already checked it for contrast with Snook, as found here. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 01:59, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, any change that makes it more compliant (as this seems to be) is progress, certainly. Thanks: I appreciate the effort. Listen, I wouldn't be so insistent if I didn't think it was so important, and I think the WMF is serious about it too. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:03, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

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NBA/College Basketball Colour Changes

Hello! I have noticed recently that you have been changing the colours on NBA teams infoboxes to their primary colour and white. Is there a specific reason for this? Because it really makes it hard to differ many NBA teams and College basketball programs, for instance the Portland Trail Blazers infobox and the Brooklyn Nets have completely identical infoboxes. I'm not going to change them back in case there's a reason you did that. However I would like to know why. Thanks! (Electric Pelican) 16:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

The reason why I did that is because of WP:CONTRAST. There's a website called Snook.ca that has a color contrast checker tool to see if two colors in the background and foreground have sufficient contrast. I've been using it to update Module:Basketball color/data. Also, the Brooklyn Nets only have two colors: Black and White. That's why it's colored that way. In most cases, a given team's primary color on a background with white text has sufficient contrast. The goal is to make the text and background colors have enough contrast so that readers who might have color blindness can easily read the text. Perhaps I could change the Portland Trail Blazers' colors in the Basketball color/data module to differentiate them with the Brooklyn Nets? Would that help? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 20:36, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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I fixed the error. Every citation for the page Atlantic Coast Conference should be updated correctly now. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:43, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

NBA boxes

Charles, you need to keep the NBA templates consistent. So if you don't want borders around the group boxes, remove them from ALL of the navboxes. Otherwise, keep them with the borders. There is no problem with the borders, so I don't see why you want to remove them. Corkythehornetfan 22:48, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

OK, I have updated every NBA template so that every team with at least three (3) colors has a border color in the titlestyle and basestyle of the team's template and also the team's seasons template. The only exception is the Brooklyn Nets; since the Nets only use two (2) colors ( black , and  white ), I don't see that adding a border color in the Nets' templates would be useful. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

When a team only has two colors, no border is totally acceptable. Thanks! Corkythehornetfan 00:04, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

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Official Oregon university/athletic program colors

How can you say that this isn't "Official"?! It's from the official website of the University of Oregon. Your's is from April 2014; Mine, which I updated in May 2015 after they were updated, is the most recent. So to say mine really isn't official and yours is, is ridiculous. They wouldn't have it posted if it wasn't the right colors. They would instead use the ones you've provided. I even checked it carefully when I updated. Corkythehornetfan 00:12, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

The source I used ([2]) lists two (2) separate color code combinations for both the university and its athletic programs, known as the Oregon Ducks. The colors for the university can be found here. The colors for the university's athletic department can be found here. As I recall, you posted a message on my talk page when I updated the University of Washington Huskies's official colors in Module:College color/data on July 5 (The message can be found here). Your explanation was, and I quote, "Charles, when you are changing the colors to university athletic articles, make sure they are correct. You changed the Washington Huskies at the Module, but those are the university academic colors, not the athletics. The Athletics Dept. has their own branding and their own color palette. You need to check BOTH the university and athletic websites before you go and change the colors". Is that not what you posted? So, that's what I was trying to do when I updated Oregon's colors for the university and its athletic programs. The source I used is the most recent source available publicly. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 00:27, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I did say that. But if you look, the yellows are the same: PMS 107. Again, as I mentioned above, I updated this a year after the source you have was published; things change in a year. Now, after looking even deeper into this and according to this page on the Athletics website, the athletics colors are Green (Pantone 3425), Yellow (Pantone 109). According to this, it is  #006241  and  #FFD200 . According to this, it is  #004F27  and  #FFcc00 . Looking at the logo on the Athletics website, it'd be 006241 and FFD200. However, if you really look at the logo, the yellow looks more like  #FEE123 , and you often go by what the logo is.

Universities will usually keep this updated before this. Therefore, the academic colors should be  #154733  and  #FEE123 , and even ElKevbo agrees with the colors. Corkythehornetfan 02:26, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

OK, I updated the citation for the academic colors for the University of Oregon. I did not change the HTML or HEX color codes. I just filled in the citations for it, although, to be honest, there is no date stamp on this page; when a user right-clicks on the page and selects "View Page Info", the date is usually the current date, under the "Modified" section in the dialog box. I won't object or interfere if you want to change the HTML or HEX color codes for Oregon Ducks. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 15:22, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Basketball colors

It's not very productive to revert back to your edit when WP:CONTRAST was already raised as a concern, just for you to say it is compliant. Look, I may end up being wrong, but it's typically preferred that you discuss your changes at that point. I haven't looked at all the colors you changed, but this combo for Minnesota is not compliant, nor is this one for Phoenix. Perhaps you can explain your method for selecting and testing these colors. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 02:19, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

How are the colors for the Minnesota Timberwolves and Phoenix Suns NOT compliant? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:24, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

WP:CONTRAST says "Ensure the contrast of the text with its background reaches at least WCAG 2.0's AA level, and AAA level when feasible." Minnesota's and Phoenix's didn't reach AA. The "Are colours compliant?" box you are using is based on an algorithm that is different than Wikipedia's guidelines. If you have technical expertise in this area, you could try to get consensus to modify WT:ACCESS.—Bagumba (talk) 02:39, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Here's my method for selecting and testing these colors: First, the information comes from the National Basketball Association (NBA)'s Media Central website. That site has Reproduction Guideline Sheets for every NBA, NBA Development League (D-League) and Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA) club. The Reproduction Guideline Sheet lists official team colors in both the CMYK color model and RGB color model. I then Google Search "cmyk to rgb", as found here. This is the site I use to convert the colors in order to obtain the HTML or HEX color code. After that, I test all the colors using Snook.ca's website. The third section in the Results dialog box on the right hand side asks, "Are colours compliant?" That's my method for not only determining official NBA team colors, but also determining if the colors are compliant for accessibility reasons, per WP:CONTRAST. Simple as that. On a side note, I don't have technical expertise here, but I would prefer it if the colors in Module:Basketball color/data would be left alone. The HTML color the NBA uses for black is #061922, NOT #000000. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:44, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. Unfortunately, WP:CONTRAST seems to mention WCAG 2.0's AA and AAA only; it does not say anything about following the ""Are colours compliant?" box in lieu of that. How do you suggest we proceed?—Bagumba (talk) 02:54, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I suggest we proceed by updating Module:Basketball color/data to ensure WCAG 2.0's AA and AAA guidelines. Just remember to use official colors. As I explained previously, the HTML color code for black the NBA uses is #061922. If you want to edit the basketball color module to reflect these changes, go ahead. I won't interfere, so long as the colors are official and compliant for those with color-blindness. Also, you might want to update each team's template and seasons template to reflect the WCAG 2.0's AA and AAA guidelines. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:57, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm only changing the text color if the contrast with the existing background doesnt meet AAA. I'm simply using black or white for the text; if anyone can find something closer to "official" that meets AAA contrast, I have no problem if they improve it. #000000 and #061922 both are pretty much black, but I'm OK with the latter if you prefer. (However, others might not be aware, and it's probably not worth edit warring over a technicality over the "black".) Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 03:05, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I made some updates for AAA, and I used #061922 for black as needed. However, I couldn't get Minnesota to be AAA, but using #000000 (ration=6.79) would provide more contrast than did 061922 (5.8). Same issue with Phoenix. Aside from 061922 being the value you derived from NBA website, is there any other objection to using the darker 000000? I can't tell the difference, they both look black to me, but #000000 could help some with vision problems, based on the WCAG computation.—Bagumba (talk) 04:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

No, I have no objection if you want to use #000000 for black, as long as it helps readers who may have vision problems or color blindness. The whole point is to make the colors as accessible as possible for those readers. Go ahead and use #000000 if it looks better. Thanks for updating me. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:54, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Template colors

As for other templates that use team's colors, I'd suggest arranging for a template editor to have Module:Basketball color provide those colors instead of hard coding it, as it appears most of the naxboxes are now doing. As you can tell, it's otherwise tedious to synchronize color changes across multiple templates. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 03:09, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

OK, how do I make that happen? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:54, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Go bug your favorite template editor :-) Freitjes wrote the module originally, and Alakzi has helped out there as well.—Bagumba (talk) 04:59, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Re: Moving file names

Re your message: Only admins or editors with the file mover right can move files. You can make a request to move files at Wikipedia:Requested moves. I moved the file to correct the capitalization and updated the article. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 01:00, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! :-) Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 01:03, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Re: Creating templates

Re: your message: Templates are pretty much like any other Wikipedia article. You create them in the Template namespace and then transclude them into whatever appropriate article you want to. There is a Help document at Help:Template. The easiest thing to do though is probably just look at one of the existing templates and copy that. I was going to say look at Template:NBA from the article you pointed me to, but that navbox is rather big and can be confusing. You might try looking at Template:Seattle SuperSonics 1978–79 NBA champions or you can read the documentation of Template:Navbox for examples.

I suggest experimenting with transclusion within your user space first so that you can see exactly what it does. Create and putt the following into your User:Charlesaaronthompson/sandbox:

 {{User:Charlesaaronthompson/template}} 

If you are looking at the source of this message, don't include the nowiki part when you add that to your sandbox.

Then go create User:Charlesaaronthompson/template and put something in it. You will see that whatever you save into User:Charlesaaronthompson/template will automatically be included within User:Charlesaaronthompson/sandbox when you view it. You can build your proposed navbox in your user space until you are satisfied with how templates work and then you can copy or move your final template into the Template namespace. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:31, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Changing colors

I'm not going to get an edit war with you over Wichita State's colors, but if you are going to change the school colors, please do so for EVERY team article for that school. Do NOT just change the university/main athletics article. I will do it this time, but in the future, it would be nice if you'd do it so the articles stay consistent. Corkythehornetfan 14:50, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Charles, I'll ask you again: can you not only update the main article for the athletics teams, but ALL of the team articles for that school? You have a bad habit of this, and if you are going to update one page, you should be updating ALL sub articles of that team. This time, it is for Clemson. Corkythehornetfan 00:57, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Charles and @Corkythehornetfan: I'd be interested in your feedback on my suggestion at Module_talk:College_color/data#Improve_redundancy_and_verifiability to have {{CollegePrimaryHex}} and {{CollegeSecondaryHex}} use Module:College color/data, and in turn having all color encodings use the respective centralized color templates instead of manually coding them. It seems it would save many editors from having to duplicate this data, and other editors from having to remind them. My 2¢.—Bagumba (talk) 02:04, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

I just responded at Module_talk:College color/data#Improve_redundancy_and_verifiability. I'll repeat what I said there: I'm in favor of having {{CollegePrimaryHex}} and {{CollegeSecondaryHex}} use Module:College color/data. @Corkythehornetfan: I'm sorry, I must have forgotten to update all of Clemson Tigers' athletic articles. That's why I'm in favor of {{CollegePrimaryHex}} and {{CollegeSecondaryHex}} using Module:College color/data, because it would save me some time from having to manually code them. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 03:06, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Colors

Please use Template:Baseball primary style and Template:Baseball secondary style so that all the colors are the same. If you disagree with the individual colors, go to Module:Baseball color/data, but leave the format the same. Your edits are disruptive and unhelpful. Joeykai (talk) 17:17, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Charles: This is similar to the solution we discussed above at #Template colors. Thanks to Joeykai for standardizing this.—Bagumba (talk) 17:55, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

OK, I left the HTML coding alone in those templates, but I updated the colors for multiple Major League Baseball teams at Module:Baseball color/data. I am requesting someone to tell User:Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) and other users to please leave the colors alone. Thank you. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 17:59, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Charles: Everybody is free to edit on Wikipedia, and we operate on consensus. If there is a disagreement, follow dispute resolution. I trust you are only trying to improve Wikipedia, but be careful with telling people to "leave the colors alone", as it can be considered WP:OWNBEHAVIOR, which is discouraged. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 18:06, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

That's exactly what I'm trying to do: improve Wikipedia by standardizing all Major League Baseball team colors across all articles, templates, and Module:Baseball color/data. I'm just tired of being in edit wars with other editors regarding official sports team color information, especially User:Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk). Thanks for your message, User:Bagumba (talk). I promise to leave colors alone ONLY if there is a prior consensus regarding the colors of a specific team, which I can easily access/find on Wikipedia. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 18:12, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm sure you're trying to help, but you are not being very transparent in your edits. Where are your sources for all these changes? Your edit summaries seem intentionally vague. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 18:14, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Re: San Francisco Giants white/cream issue & your edit -- I would suggest putting a comment in the Giants page code telling where to go for explanation, to forestall editwars. As it stands, the page is contradictory: the uniform pictures just above the color boxes are clearly cream, and the ref (I added) say the Giants changed from white to cream in 2000. I'll leave it to you or others to do, since you obviously know more about it than I do. Davemck (talk) 21:05, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

@Davemck: OK, I reverted back my own edit so that the colors listed in the infobox of the San Francisco Giants' article are black, orange and cream. However, I changed the color code for cream to  #E6D8AF , as per this source: MLB.com/FranchiseFour Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 23:01, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks :-) Davemck (talk) 23:34, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

September 2015

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Module:Baseball color/data. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Please discuss this at WT:BASEBALL instead of repeatedly reverting. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 20:41, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I admit to and apologize for edit warring and violating the three-revert rule at Module:Baseball color/data. My reason for appealing this block is to at least provide my reasoning for making edit changes at Module talk:Baseball color/data. I would like an opportunity to explain why I made the changes I did, not to further engage in edit warring with other editors. I also promise to stop edit warring with other editors at Module:Baseball color/data, and to seek consensus regarding Major League Baseball (MLB) team colors first at Module talk:Baseball color/data. I propose to avoid edit-warring and violating the three-revert rule in the future by visiting the talk page first and discussing ways to resolve disputes with other editors. Further, I promise to propose any changes to Module:Baseball color/data on the module's talk page first. I promise to do everything in my power not to antagonize other editors, and also to become a part of the solution, not the problem.

Decline reason:

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World Trade Center (2001–present)

I see that you reverted my edit to the hatnote of World Trade Center (2001–present). When intentionally linking to a disambiguation page, the link should be piped through the (disambiguation) redirect (per WP:INTDABLINK) as this lets those of us at WP:DPL who fix ambiguous links (and the bots that help us) know that the link is intentional. -Niceguyedc ^{Go Huskies!} 04:02, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

nfl template edits

Hi, I've opened a discussion of your changes, here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#UX: Team templates decade treatment when fewer than ten played seasons. Please reply, cheers. UW Dawgs (talk) 00:26, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

3RR warning

Your recent editing history at National Hockey League shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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The same applies to your latest revert at National Basketball Association. Just wait for consensus when there is a an ongoing discussion. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 02:15, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

When another editor, like Corkythehornetfan, reverts your bold edit and you still disagree, BRD suggests that you begin discussing. Reverting again and implying the other editor is mistaken like you did here is aggravating, often flames edit wars, and not nearly as effective in resolving the differences as starting a less combative discussion outside of edit summaries. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 22:57, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

I've started a discussion here. I welcome both of your comments. Bagumba, I know you and I dealt with the colors thing for UCLA a while back, as well. Corkythehornetfan 23:01, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

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Removal of archiveurl

Was there a particular reason for your removal of |archiveurl= in your edit at New York Knicks?—Bagumba (talk) 05:58, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, there was. My reasoning for removing |archiveurl= was that it was not necessary, as the Web page explaining why the team is named the Knickerbockers is still an active URL. It's not a dead URL. That's why I removed the |archiveurl= from the citation. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 06:22, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Based on your revert back to your preferred version while this discussion is outstanding, may I ask why you believe WP:BRD—which has been suggested to you multiple times above at #3RR_warning—is not relevant?—Bagumba (talk) 06:52, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Per Template:Cite web, |archiveurl= is used "if or in case the url becomes unavailable". Per Wikipedia:Citing sources/Further considerations: "Anticipating the possibility of future alteration or deletion, archive URL information can thus be added pre-emptively, at the time of reference's initial inclusion and ahead of any potential issues with the original link." Please get consensus to remove this. Per WP:NOCONSENSUS, "a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit". Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 06:52, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Based on your WP:SILENCE, I will assume you have no objection to the restoring of archiveurl.—Bagumba (talk) 04:24, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I cannot respond, as apparently, I've been blocked. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 05:30, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

WP:SEAOFBLUE

Actually, you don't need to avoid redirects in all cases. The other relevant policy is WP:NOTBROKEN. Just trying to help. Rikster2 (talk) 21:58, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Again, you don't HAVE to avoid a redirect. Just let the redirect do its job as described in WP:NOTBROKEN. Rikster2 (talk) 23:51, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

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October 2015

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for edit warring and violating the three-revert rule, as you did at Brooklyn Nets. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

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Request reason:

I admit to edit-warring at Brooklyn Nets. I apologize for it. I was only trying to make useful contributions. I understand that the reason why I was blocked was because I violated the three-revert rule a second time, and that I edit-warred with other editors. I promise to do everything in my power to not violate the three-revert rule in the future, and to not edit-war with other editors. Further, I promise to use the WP:BRD cycle when I get reverted in the future, and to seek WP:CONSENSUS with other editors when a dispute arises regarding the content of a page. Please review my block. I promise to do whatever is necessary in order to fully cooperate and comply with Wikipedia policy.

Decline reason:

Like the others, I'm not entirely comfortable with this being so glib. Since the block is only for another 20 hours, I'd say that it'd be a nice show of good faith to just wait out the remaining hours and, once it's up, put your promises into action. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:06, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

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Charles: Can you explain why your unblock request should be taken seriously when your response above on your own talk page—that "I cannot respond, as apparently, I've been blocked. "—is an obvious contradiction and makes you comes off as glib? Also, what is different with your current unblock request, as compared to your promise to avoid warring in your unblock request last month. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 17:02, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I came off as glib. I wasn't intending to be glib. I was just saying that I could not respond to your post, Bagumba. When I noticed what you had posted that on my talk page, there was nothing I could do or say, as I had already been blocked at that point. I was not trying to come off as glib or insincere; I was simply stating the facts from my vantage point. What is different from my previous unblock request is that I do sincerely and honestly promise to do everything in my power to avoid WP:EDITWAR with other editors, and to seek WP:CONSENSUS. I also promise to use the WP:BRD cycle with other editors, and to make the changes necessary to not antagonize other editors in the future, instead of simply continuing to WP:REVERT. If in the future I make an edit that gets reverted by another editor, I promise to initiate the WP:BRD cycle and discuss the issue with the editor in question, and to seek WP:CONSENSUS, as per Wikipedia policy. I also sincerely promise to not continually undo other editors' edits and to stop to avoid violating the WP:3RR policy. I'm really sorry if I offended you or any other editor. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 17:30, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Per WP:BLOCK, blocked users are allowed to continue to use their own talk page; you are not limited to using it for unblock requests. Your talk page privilege can be taken away if abused, but in that case, you wouldn't have been able to, well, respond. Hope that helps.—Bagumba (talk) 17:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm really sorry if I came off as glib. I should have realized when I posted that on my talk page that I could still edit my own talk page when blocked. I really hope to learn from being blocked. I know now that I do not own the content of any Wikipedia page, and that any edit I make can be challenged and reverted. I sincerely and honestly promise to use the WP:BRD cycle when I make another edit that gets reverted in the future, and to seek to build WP:CONSENSUS with other editors. Furthermore, I also promise to do everything in my power to avoid WP:EDITWAR with other editors, and to do everything necessary to avoid violating the WP:3RR rule in the future. Finally, I also promise not to make any further edits to a page once the WP:BRD cycle has been initiated, and to do better listening to other editors. I promise to not edit a page (such as the Brooklyn Nets article) until the discussion on the article's talk page has reached a conclusion and a consensus that editors agree with. In short, I promise to make changes to be a better editor. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 23:04, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Advice

Given that you just finished your block for edit warring on the contents of |location= at Brooklyn Nets, you are treading on dangerous ground reverting other's changes again to put yet another new value in the field. I'm not sure if you think there is some technicality that makes your edit exempt, but I am not aware of any that would. Before the edit, you had at least posted a question on the talk page, but then you inexplicably removed your question a mere 30 minutes later and just made the change without consensus in the same area you just got blocked for. Personally, I don't have a problem with content, but an editor had already objected to the coding before. I'd highly suggest you self revert your change and get consensus.

Finally, you would do well to improve your edit summaries. Writing "I updated the location field in the infobox to read as New York City, New York." doesn't tell someone that might object why you made the change. Someone can always do a diff to see what you changed, but they cannot read your mind about your motives. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 06:01, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm wondering how my edit at Brooklyn Nets is putting another new value in the |location= field? All I did was change the link to include the city and state. I'm not trying to edit-war or argue; I just thought by making this edit, there could be some consistency across NBA team articles. However, I self-reverted my own edit, and I also left a new message on User:Epicgenius' talk page. Which other editors object to my proposed edit change? I plan to leave messages on their talk pages to maybe try to reach WP:CONSENSUS with them. I also self-reverted my edit on the Nets' talk page. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 07:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

"All I did was change ...": Your use of "change" is the key word. The debate is over the content of |location=. Any change to it would likely be construed as a revert, unless you are relying on people to being real sympathetic and liberal to your interpretation. You could discuss it with them one-on-one initially if you choose, but a broader discussion on the article talk page is going to likely be expected ultimately. Remember, all the people you ask individually might not agree with each other, so a larger forum is likely needed. Imagine if 2 people say one thing, and 1 says another. How do you resolve that if they don't all talk together? Or what if someone else has an opinion on the article page, but you didn't contact them individually. It's not that you shouldn't do one-on-ones, and there are some benefits, but you need to be aware of the possible difficulties too.—Bagumba (talk) 08:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

@Bagumba: I have self-reverted my own edit on the Nets' talk page to this version. Specifically, my edit now reads: "Would any other editor object if I went ahead and updated the |location= field in the Brooklyn Nets main article to read as New York City, New York? My thinking behind this edit is to make the link in the infobox be similar to the links in other NBA team articles." I have provided an explanation, and it is now listed on the main talk page, where any other editor can see it. Hopefully, WP:CONSENSUS can be reached on the main talk page, and an edit to the |location= field in the infobox of the main Brooklyn Nets that every editor involved can agree with can be implemented. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 08:07, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Great. You do some good work, but sometimes you get ahead of yourself with the reverts, which can be antagonizing to others. Remember, there is no WP:NORUSH.—Bagumba (talk) 08:14, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for this message. Just so you know, I have weighed in on the name for the |location= field for the Nets' article on the team's talk page. I think the location name should be listed as Brooklyn, but I'm fine with listing it as NYC if that's what the WP:CONSENSUS of other editors is. Suffice it to say that I promise not to edit the |location= field in the Nets' article until consensus is reached as to what the location name will be, and even then, some other editor will probably get to it before I will. So, what I'm saying is I promise to leave it alone until there's a consensus. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:22, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

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Missouri colors

Those are NOT the Missouri colors for Athletics; they are academics. If you notice, they have section for Athletics Dept. The ones I had listed were used from my DigitalColor Meter since they didn't list a hex code. The Athletics gold is NOT that light. The DigitalColor Meter shows 000000 for the black on academics, but shows #0E1013 on the Athletics and #C7911B for the gold. I also receive these color on the Athletics website. I even updated the colors on August 4. I'm sorry if I sound rude, but damn this is frustrating. It is pretty evident that the gold for Athletics gold is darker. Corkythehornetfan 01:42, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

OK. I have found another source from the University of Missouri, found here. It says: "Mizzou Athletics uses an alternative version of gold (called Gold Dart), based on their unique needs for equipment and licensed apparel. Gold Dart may be used only in Athletics applications." There's an Athletics color palette to the right of that text. It doesn't say what the HEX color code is, but if you were to use the DigitalColor Meter, you could find out what the color of Gold Dart is. If you were to do that, I would have no objection if you wanted to revert my edit, so long as you provided a reference to the source for the colors in the infobox. I would also promise not to revert that edit. I'm sorry if I've made this frustrating in any way. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:55, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

There is no way to show you a reference for the DigitalColor meter. I have email the school to see if they would be willing to provide the codes. If, and when, I receive a reply, I'll let you know. Corkythehornetfan 05:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

What I meant was, use the DigitalColor Meter on the .PDF file link I provided (found here) on the Athletics color palette to find out what the HEX color codes are on that palette. Use the link I provided as the reference in the infobox of the Missouri Tigers article. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 15:11, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I gotcha now! I had checked both... the PDF is the original source I had found. Both the PDF and the colors webpage show the same codes I provided, but I will still wait and see if the school responds. Corkythehornetfan 18:20, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

OK, let's see what the school has to say about it. In the meantime, I won't object or revert if you want to go ahead and change the colors for the Missouri Tigers article back to where they were. :) Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 19:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Update: I received an email back from the school's graphic designer who directed me to the Director of Strategic Planning in the Athletics Dept. Will let you know when I hear something from him. Corkythehornetfan 22:37, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Update 10/27/2015 – I received an email back from the Digital Media Specialist for Athletics. She attached a PDF file with the vector and raster format codes (PMS, CMYK, RGB, HEX, Madeira Rayon, and Madeira Rayon) for the Black, Gold Dart, White and Anthracite. Those codes are  #2C2A29   #C69214   #FFFFFF   #373A36 . Of course, the only colors we need/want is the black and Gold Dart. Would you like a copy of the email for proof? If so, I'm not sure how to send an attachment through the Wikipedia email. I also don't know how to attach that file as a reference. Thanks. Corkythehornetfan 16:42, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, if you could find a way to attach a copy of the e-mail, that would be great. Maybe you could send it through Yahoo! Mail? My e-mail address is charlesaaronthompson1@yahoo.com. As far as attaching a .PDF file in the infobox goes, I'm not sure how to do that either. My suggestion would be to look at this page, but then again, I don't know. It might have to be uploaded via a File Wizard. Also, I promise to not object or revert if you wanted to go ahead and change the colors to what they are in the e-mail copy. :) Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 16:56, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Alrighty, I've sent it. PLEASE NOTE: the email I use is a made up one, not a real one, that I have created specifically for Wikipedia-use only. The name and everything is made up. Please reply here, not the email, to let me know you've received it. Corkythehornetfan 17:18, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

I've received the e-mail. However, I'm not seeing the .PDF file or any attachment in the e-mail. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 17:34, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Helps if I sent the correct one! You should have the attachment now! Corkythehornetfan 17:38, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

I've received the e-mail with the attachment now. I've also noticed you went ahead and changed the colors in the infobox to the ones in the e-mail. Thanks. Like I've said earlier, I promise not to revert them. :) Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 17:46, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

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I have now added the text {{di-replaceable fair use disputed|<my reason>}} below the original fair use template at the file description page for File:Vivint Smart Home Arena exterior.jpg. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 23:27, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

You should review Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. The image fails point 1. It is quite reasonable to expect that a free image could be had of the arena with the new signage. After all, it is easily accessible and previous signage has had free images made. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 00:42, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Clemson Tigers colors update

CAT, please add the link to the colors module talk page: [3]. All changes and additions to the module must be verified by linked reference, so that other editors may easily verify all such changes. Adding to the linked references to the talk page is our temporary system until we create something more permanent, probably involving direct links within the module itself. Your cooperation and assistance are appreciated. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:33, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Done. Here's the link. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 00:47, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

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November 2015

Greetings. At least one of your recent edits, such as the edit you made to File:Vivint Smart Home Arena exterior.jpg, did not appear to be constructive and has been or will be reverted or removed. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make some test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Repeatedly uploading non-free images of the arena which have also been repeatedly deleted is not helpful. Whpq (talk) 12:16, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for repeated violating of non-free content policy criteria #1, and edit warring at Vivint Smart Home Arena over the image., as you did at File:Vivint Smart Home Arena exterior.jpg. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  —Bagumba (talk) 16:31, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

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Charlesaaronthompson (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I apologize for edit-warring at Vivint Smart Home Arena. I was only trying to make a constructive edit by adding an image file. I'm sorry. Please review my unblock request. I promise not to re-upload that image, and to not edit-war over the image. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 17:39, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Given that this is your third block this year for edit-warring, a week duration is reasonable. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 18:35, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

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Charles: It doesn't appear that you understand Wikipedia:NFCC #1. Pictures are not allowed for non-free use when someone (not necessarily you) could reasonably take and offer a free equivalent. This is a violation of WP's copyright policy, not to mention that you warred (again) by repeatedly ignoring warnings and prior deletions, and re-uploaded and re-inserted non-free images. You contribute a lot of useful content on Wikipedia, but you need to address your repeatedly ignoring others' warning and concerns if you hope to edit here in the long run. Please take the temporary time off to consider how you will make that happen. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 19:09, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

@Bagumba: So what you're saying is, in order to not violate Wikipedia:NFCC #1, and in order to upload a new image of the Vivint Smart Home Arena, I'd have to visit the arena, take a picture of it, and upload it to Creative Commons, giving it my permission to use the file? I guess I'm sorry for ignoring warnings and prior deletions. I guess I should have understood that the first time my file was deleted that I shouldn't have tried to re-upload it. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 19:38, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

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Go ahead and delete the file. Apparently, it's non-free, according to Wikipedia:NFCC #1. I won't contest the file's deletion. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:02, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Just FYI

Just FYI, using {{Color box|white}} is the same as {{Color box|#FFFFF}}. Style guides include the hex number for convenience, but using that in the infobox is only necessary when the hex number doesn't match one of the presets, like red, blue, green, white, navy, yellow, etc., known as X11 color names. For the case of white, there's no difference since White (color) is defined as hex #FFFFF. It can save you some extra time on edits not having to change things or look up a hex number. In the BYU-Idaho article, for example, if the shade of white was somehow different than FFFFF, then yes, we should use the hex number, like we have for "BYUI Blue". In university articles where they typically have very specific shades, yes, we'll use the hex number more frequently to be precise. But hey, one less thing to worry about in many cases, particularly in the cases of black and white.

Also, for the parameter "work" in the cite web template, "work" is the name of the website the citation comes from. So, when you're citing a university website, you can use, for instance, "Kent State University website" or just "Kent.edu" since websites are often referred to just by their URL (plus it's shorter). The full university name should be included in the "publisher" parameter, so having it for the publisher and the work is redundant anyway. "Work" also can be used in the "cite news" template, though I prefer to use the "newspaper" or "magazine" parameter instead. Either way, it produces the same layout in the citations section.

Happy editing! --JonRidinger (talk) 18:17, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. The LAST thing I need or want is to be blocked from editing indefinitely for edit-warring again. Suffice it to say that I guess I promise to leave the BYU–Idaho article alone. Also, I left my response at BYU–Idaho's talk page. To sum up my response: until WP:CONSENSUS is reached, I think the colors should be left alone. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 18:22, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah, school colors can be super confusing because of small changes to university style guides and the reality that the Internet allows them to be available pretty much forever, on top of the difference between the approved palette (which usually contains colors that aren't actual school colors, but can be used with them) and the actual school colors or when schools have academic versions of the colors and athletic versions. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:43, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

A beer for you!

I am very impressed with your recent edit to the Real Salt Lake‎‎ article. The update to the references was excellent. Thanks. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:09, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. I accept. My purpose is to make edits that benefit everyone. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 17:58, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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Dashes

FYI: – is the same as –. No need to change the dash to –, if it is already the correct endash. I'm referencing to your edit here. 🎄 Corkythehornetfan 🎄

OK, thanks for telling me. The reason why I use – is because I don't have access to Microsoft Word; however, I do have access to Google Docs, so I could always copy and paste from there. Google Docs has the – character in its list of special characters. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:05, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

No problem. Also, the dash is located in the bar above the Edit summary next to the drop box on the left. 🎄 Corkythehornetfan 🎄 12:40, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Charles, I recently learned of script here on Wikipedia just for dashes... User:GregU/dashes.js. It'll save you time! You just have to review it to make sure it didn't change the dash where it doesn't belong. Check it out... 🎄 Corkythehornetfan 🎄 00:50, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Use of "vandalism"

Be careful when you use the term "vandalism" to explain an edit. The recent edit you made on Cleveland Cavaliers was not correcting vandalism since you merely changed the letters back to lower-case. Vandalism is defined as "any addition, removal, or change of content, in a deliberate attempt to damage Wikipedia. Examples of typical vandalism are adding irrelevant obscenities and crude humor to a page, illegitimately blanking pages, and inserting obvious nonsense into a page." When using "vandalism" to describe an edit, make sure it's blatantly obvious since such an accusation can be serious. In this case, it's an interpretation of the Manual of Style, but whether or not the colors are capitalized in the infobox doesn't change the content or damage Wikipedia. I would just something to the effect of "lower-case letters per MOS" or something like that. --JonRidinger (talk) 15:56, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

FYI, the color list can go either way. Per MOS:LISTCAPS: "If the list items are sentence fragments, then capitalization should be consistent – sentence case should be applied to either all or none of the items."—Bagumba (talk) 21:35, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

So how can Wikipedia make the list of color names consistent across all pro sports team articles? For example, in all of the National Football League (NFL) team articles, the first letter of all of the color names for each team are capitalized; by contrast, in all of the Major League Baseball (MLB), National Basketball Association (NBA) and National Hockey League (NHL) team articles, only the first letter of the first color name is capitalized, and all other color names after that are de-capitalized (and are only capitalized if necessary, such as the Memphis Grizzlies article, for example). Should the goal be to make the color names consistent? I'm asking this question in order to make better and more useful changes if necessary. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 23:09, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

That is something you should ask at the various Wikiprojects that have created those templates. It may simply be a case of both ways being acceptable, so no need to go on a mass-editing spree changing them all one way or the other at this point. That said, the issue here is making sure you don't falsely accuse people of vandalism since vandalism has a very clear definition, on top of it being inflammatory. Always assume good faith, especially when other editors provide explanations to their edits in the summary. --JonRidinger (talk) 23:26, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, the MOS comment was an aside. Agree about not incorrectly labeling vandalism (WP:NOTVAND).—Bagumba (talk) 00:16, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

OK, I understand. I must be more careful in the future about falsely accusing another editor of vandalism. The reason why I labeled it as such was because of this edit, which incorrectly placed the text "NBA Championships: 0" in the reference for the Cleveland Cavaliers' Reproduction Guideline Sheet. Sorry for the confusion. The color names were not vandalism; the text "NBA Championships: 0" in the Reproduction Guideline Sheet reference was. For that, I apologize. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:04, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I still wouldn't call that vandalism, especially considering the edit summary on the previous edit ("A note accomplishes nothing as this happens at just about every NBA team article. Sure it can't hurt but it's not worth it."). Vandalism rarely has much of an edit summary, if any at all. Most likely a case of the previous editor reverting your other edits as "good faith" edits and not realizing you also removed the unnecessary note about the championships. Again, all about assuming good faith. It can avoid a lot of problems! :) --JonRidinger (talk) 04:48, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

@JonRidinger: You're right. I'm sorry. I'll do better to assume good faith. However, edits like these are vandalism, correct? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 06:46, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes! Absolutely! That edit has no edit summary and the edits were deliberately disruptive and false (yeah, the editor is probably trying to be funny, but that doesn't make it less disruptive). --JonRidinger (talk) 12:55, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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References for Boise State's athletic colors

Why do we need two references? Just because the PDF has the rgb/pms codes and the other doesn't, doesn't mean they both need to be there. Keep one and remove the other. The source doesn't really matter as long as there is a hex code. You also shouldn't have updated the date for the first reference since it was originally listed August 30. IMO, the first one should stay since it was already listed there. 🎄 Corkythehornetfan 🎄 01:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't need two references for the official colors of the Boise State Broncos; however, I've changed the reference to this reference, which is Boise State University's Color Guide. The reason why I've changed it is because it allows for any and all potential readers to verify that the colors are accurate. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 17:51, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

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Kansas City Royals

I undid your edits on Kansas City Royals and on Template:2015 Kansas City Royals. You seem to have changed the colors which may cause problems. Unless you can provide a source to say that the colors you changed it to are in fact the colors used by the team, they probably shouldn't be changed. Elisfkc (talk) 21:18, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

@Elisfkc: My source for the Kansas City Royals' colors comes from http://teamcolors.arc90.com/. There's no need for a border in the template. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 17:10, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

@Charlesaaronthompson: I'll give you the border part, but the team actually brought back the baby blue in 2007, making its debut on April 12, 2008. I've got two MLB sources about that [4][5]. Team Color Codes includes the baby blue. I am not undoing your edit on the main page right now, but I will undo the edit on Template:2015 Kansas City Royals and Template:Kansas City Royals. That way, it will look right on the Royals season pages, which also feature the baby blue. Elisfkc (talk) 01:53, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

@Elisfkc: As long as the HTML color for Royal blue remains #004687, I'm fine with it if you want to add the powder blue color in those templates, so long as you add it for all templates involved, also including Template:1985 Kansas City Royals and Template:Kansas City Royals retired numbers. I've tried to contact the Royals to ask for a style guide, which contains the official color information. I'm waiting to hear back from them. In the meantime, it's fine with me if you implement the changes I've outlined, as long as they are consistent. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 09:25, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

@Charlesaaronthompson: I'm not sure about changing Template:1985 Kansas City Royals, since the color may have been different back then. However, I'm fine with all of the rest of them. Elisfkc (talk) 04:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

@Elisfkc: I went ahead and updated all of the Royals' templates by adding HTML borders in each of the templates. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:23, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Elisfkc (talk) 05:39, 28 December 2015 (UTC)