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use of pages in userspace

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 – no admin action required, OP is recommended to take the feedback from here —SpacemanSpiff 05:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

This section is a good example of something that needs to be addressed. I warned user about not using Wikipedia as a social network and user tells me to "get off my back and fuck off!" Meanwhile, user has continued to use talk page as a forum in follow-up edits. Civility and policy issues with this one. Atlantabravz (talk) 04:15, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

  • More neutral title and, given the context I see no reason for admin intevention here. If I were in the same situation I would undoubtedly react to your unwarranted lecture in similar ways. The user is contributing to article space and has wide lattitude, as does every other user, to use their userspace as they will within reason. This was well within reason. Spartaz Humbug! 04:46, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
    • Concur. You left a rather abrupt template on her talk page, and then complain when she doesn't take it with a thank you? There's a reason WP:DTTR is good advice, and you needed to have followed it here- or even better, to have investigated the situation some more before inserting yourself into it. If you have a problem with an experienced editor, some discussion goes a lot farther than a newbie template. Courcelles 04:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
    • Indeed. Editors will sometimes communicate in a social or friendly manner in their userspace. I have editors I know IRL or off-wiki, and discussing things of a personal nature, from time to time, does not violate WP:NOTMYSPACE. The issue is the number of social edits as relative to the number of project-relevent edits. This is I don't see where this user is any kind of a problem at all. This user is a good content editor, and I see no reason they should not be left alone. --Jayron32 05:04, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
  • I would also have told you to fuck off, and stop templating people who are in mourning for sharing their feelings with their friends on Wiki. I'm disgusted that this was your response to reading that post. If you had to say anything at all, words of sympathy would have been appropriate. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 05:17, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
  • I'd be spitting fire and venom if someone did that to me; I'd probably use even stronger language than that. I don't like sympathy (directed at me) much, but templating me would be far worse. I can AGF that the OP was just taking NOTMYSPACE a bit too seriously, but I hope that they don't do this again. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:23, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
  • WP:NOTMYSPACE, as I see it, was created for people who appear to regard this place as a place to network— beyond that, I'm fairly sure we're allowed to have lives that interfere with editing once in a while, and to express that. We're a community. sonia♫ 05:33, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
  • I should also point out WP:IAR. A little friendly communication once in a while can go a long way towards cooperative editing, which leads to improvement of the project. I'd say as long it's not a user's primary purpose on this encyclopedia it's more than acceptable. elektrikSHOOS 05:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

DocOfSoc, I've added to the ANI discussion. Not sure if you want to add it here or not? (No objections to you wiping this post here - as is your right - and replacing it, or doing what you wish). TFOWR 08:54, 9 September 2010 (UTC) [1]

TFlower attacked

this ANI you raised, 

 == Hearkening and obeyance ==

I'm at your command. How can I help?   Will Beback  talk  10:47, 10 September 2010 (UTC)  : Wow! How tempting! ;-) TY!! The 2010 salary scandal in Bell article is a tad overwhelming, and altho we are not Wikinews it is pretty darn current with updates most days. Without your "Back" and wisdom, I was feeling bereft. I really need your input esp. since I could have in no way started this without you. (Before, I forget, I need to know how to do a redirect for another article please.) FYI: Altho, it would appear I have been around awhile, I spent my first 2 years in a Wiki war with the now banned SRQ on only three articles, so I have much to learn and am running as fast as I can. I have commenced on a huge project of basically updating and rewriting the towns of the entire San Gabriel Valley. As you are a neighbor ;-), I would appreciate your input in anything for which you have time. I have missed your snappy comments, truthfully. I really need your excellent teamwork as backup. I will stop here. Waiting breathlessly for your reply. Namaste---DocOfSoc (talk) 11:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)::You're doing great. We're all in this together. One could write a book about the corruption in the municipalities of Los Angeles County. Raymond Chandler almost made a career of it, but there's plenty of new material. However we must remember that an encyclopedia is very different from a crime novel. I have most of the local cities on my watchlist, but they have so much company there that I tend to overlook most editing activity. But I'll usually respond to specific requests.   Will Beback  talk  20:51, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Mayor of Whittier, CA

[2] clearly states that Nordbak's mayor. By the way, it wasn't exactly in good taste to undo someone with several good faith contributions to Whittier, and thousands of other contributions to Wikipedia 14:59, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

The appropriate place for this discussion is on the Whittier page. BTW is isn't exactly in good collegiate taste to post starting with "My homie". It gives one the impression one is dealing with a very young troll. Wikipedia is a team effort and I cannot possibly keep up with all the mayoral races in all the articles I edit. Frankly, a post that starts with "my homie", I would probably revert again. If you wish to discuss this further, please feel free to take it to the Whittier page and please sign it as an experienced editor as yourself should know. Peace--DocOfSoc (talk)

Semiprotection

Reprotected indef.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:39, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Revisions deleted, as well, just for good measure. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:46, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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John Berry

Please, AS I have requested move this to the John Berry page as I requested previously. (redunduncy intended) And I am sorry, there seems to be some doubt in your mind as to the meaning of "irony" I totally disagree with you both linguistically, which I have studied extensively.DocOfSoc (talk) 00:46, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Doc#2 - I know you're gonna be mad at me, here: but you truly know that when you're in the right - I'm on your side fiercely. It seems that to include "ironically" without a quoting a reliable source is really... original research. It has to be backed by a source, especially if it's disputed. I've worked with both of you, and this can be resolved peacefully, as I know you both to be good editors. Let's not "blow up" the AN/I just yet, okay? Talk here... Doc9871 (talk) 01:56, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
A common example of irony is the O. Henry story, "The Gift of the Magi". Yet the author never uses the word "irony". He never says, "it was ironic that..." The readers can see it for themselves. Likewise, we don't say that Napoleon was an important figure in history or that David Livingstone led an adventurous life. Instead of saying it we show it.
No one disputes that the Berry story has an ironic quality. The problem is that even if it's true and we all agree on it, it still isn't verifiable.
It's wise to avoid drawing any conclusions in articles, even obvious ones. Obvious conclusions are unnecessary, and obscure ones are OR. A useful essay is WP:SPOONFEED. Or as LAPD's most famous (fictional) cop would say, "Just the facts, ma'am."   Will Beback  talk  09:23, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I love Jack Webb, but I'd have to go with one other fictional L.A. cop as equally "hammy"... ;> Doc9871 (talk) 09:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
EWWWW, Captain Kirk?? I give up, Going to bed, but I think TOWFR Has my blankey, tee hee DocOfSoc (talk) 12:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Here it is! Mind if I snuggle in, too? :-o TFOWR 12:49, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Sure Lovey, ty, just follow the snoring ;-) DocOfSoc (talk) 12:56, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
I think I've only ever worked with TenPoundHammer at deletion discussions, where we tended to be in agreement, so my opinion of TPH is broadly positive. I'd hope both of you can work things out, and I'm pretty confident that with Will Beback, Doc9871 and tmorton166 helping that'll be the case.
In the meantime, I was thinking about the various roles editors have round here - encyclopaedist, editor (in the traditional sense), journalist... you seem to do quite a lot of journalism-type stuff - have you thought about getting more involved at WP:ITN? It tends to focus on articles with international interest (and there's a wee bit of bias against US stories, to be honest...) but it's a fascinating area to work in. WP:ITNC discusses potential articles to add to "In the News", and new voices there are always welcome, and that's over and above getting articles into shape ready for ITN. Anyway... just thinking aloud! TFOWR 16:27, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Ten Hammers re: John Berry

When an editor has obviously spent an enormous amount of time and effort making good faith edits, it is only polite to discuss before making major changes. Go back to May and see the piece of crap article I started with, which 10 hammers had not touched for months until I came in. This is my therapy, my sister died and I can lose myself in here. In 19 years of school, I never got less than an A in English. I Taught English Composition at University and he superciliously offers to help me?? Do I need help sometimes? Absolutely, but I will never take it from someone who talks down to me. One would think he could at least be the kind of gentleman John Berry is, He respects women...

TMI, I am outta hereDocOfSoc (talk) 06:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry... ;>

I couldn't resist[3]. How ya been? Drop me a line sometime - it's been awhile :P Cheers, Doc #2 :> Doc9871 (talk) 07:22, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Re:Cali assessments (Attack)

Incivility

See above

From The Wikiproject California page:[4]

Purple, since you say on your page,"I dislike America's ignorance of its own history and geography" I am astounded at your lack of knowledge of Calif. history. Cesar Chavez is not a "token" Mexican as you infer, but an very important historical figure here in Calif. And whomever said That "guy" who founded the *Missions* not stations, which expanded into many California cities, is "Father", or "Friar" or "Fray" Junipero Serra, and earned more historical respect. Our history is " a little too (sic) heavy on Spanish and Mexican land barons" because of the enormous role they had in settling and developing California. Did you not go to grammar school here in California? And to all: As an aside, why is one Williams sister mentioned and not the other? And why are the Red Hot Chili Peppers included? Surely, Daryl Gates deserves a mention. His changes to police work have been implemented all over the U.S. I really don't mean to offend anyone, but this discussion really... I am a loss for words despite evidence to the contrary, LOL. Lots of work to do. I am concentrating on SoCal Cities and their history. Also, I am curious why Janis Joplin, a Texan, is included. With the best of intentions...DocOfSoc (talk) 07:55, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

My Reponse

FYI Dear Killiondude, Hi Ya! I only asked about The Purple's schooling in case he attended in another state or country and perhaps could be excused for his lack of knowledge. The Beach Boys are icons and should be mentioned, which I did not. Steinbeck is a given. The Purple said this about Cesar: "Chavez because a state that has 8-10 million Mexicans should probably have a biography up there." As a Mexican-American, I found that racist and insulting but was polite about it. I had no intention of causing any divisiveness, but you may want to know that Purple was taken to Ani for insulting me before, as he has again on my talk page. I was very careful only to repeat his own words back to him. If you double check, you will see at no time did I "attack and/or lie." Yes, I speak plainly, but like Jack Nicholson said. "..some people just can't *Handle* the truth!" LOL! K'Dude you did an excellent job in assessing the situation and I look forward to working with you. Namaste!...DocOfSoc (talk) 11:48, 1 October 2010 (UTC) TO: PurpleBackpack:

If you would like to apologize, I am open.DocOfSoc (talk) 03:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Since I am vastly insulted *again* by this barely 21 year old prolific T**T, Purplebackpack, I thought it best I take a short redhead break and hope for my {pagestalker}s assistance. I am pretty sure it was the wonderful Tedder who spoke to him before. DocOfSoc (talk) 04:13, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, to interested parties, this is the first time I've placed a boilerplate warning on her page, and there hasn't been an ANI thread involving the two of us Purplebackpack89 07:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Simply not true. I distinctly remember you putting a "Welcome to a new editor" plate on my page, I believe It did not go to Ani because Tedder wrote a very proper rebuke say to " the effect you do not leave that template on a experienced editors page and then said especially an editor he knew. The template was also deleted. This was around 9-11, when there were a few other problems i.e. my archive was blanked. Tedder, I hope you remember this, how often is someone arrogant enough to put a "welcome" template on an experienced editor's page?DocOfSoc (talk) 09:56, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Best Advice

  • From a much admired Admin

I'm sorry to see you've had unhappiness here. This is an open editing project run mostly by volunteers, the contribution history of more or less every account is automatically logged and linked for all to see and anyone is welcome to look at an editor's contributions as a set. Although there are many fun and rewarding things that can happen when one edits here, now and then it can get nettlesome for any editor, almost all editors, for sundry reasons. If you take a break from this, even for a day or two, it's highly, highly likely you'll find things are not so bad as they seem to you now. I can give you a tip, many experienced editors have learned the hard way that when one becomes stirred up (emotional) about something here, whether or not one has edited within policy, by far the most helpful thing to do, is stop editing until one's feelings have settled down. These may seem like hollow words to you and that's ok too, but you may indeed find that breaking off on one's own for even a very short time can often do wonders here... DocOfSoc forgot to sign name added by --CrohnieGalTalk 11:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Saw your comment at Doc #1

Hi, I left a message for you there but now I am here. I am behind on a lot things obviously but can I help you with whatever it was that you were asking Doc help with? I think I'm about done at the arbcom case that has been taking up most of my time here and the rest is RL stuff that has been really stressful for me. Email me and I will tell you about it, I've even got pictures, that is if you're interested. Anyways, how can I help you, please I really would like to. --CrohnieGalTalk 18:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Ping

- - Hi, hope you are doing well. Something of interest is in your email, take a peek... Be well, --CrohnieGalTalk 17:38, 15 October 2010

Troll

Wasn't quite what we thought, but your socky-sense was correct ;-) TFOWR 22:28, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

TY, unfortunately, finely honed :-(. Lizzie Borden is setting off bells currently. Cool tonite, we may need another Blankey. :-D

Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 01:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

You know, this[5] edit summary says it all: now I know what you were talking about with the name thing and the Bouley article. Cheers :> Doc talk 20:25, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

SRQ Talkback

SRQ/ Dante? Link [6]

ANI archived SRQ [[7]] 11-16-2010

Other gubbins

Hong Kong Plaza in Rowland Heights, California
Monterey Park, California has been dubbed the "first suburban Chinatown" in North America and was featured in Forbes, The Los Angeles Times, Time, and The Atlantic Monthly
An Asian supermarket in Monterey Park.

They are unlike the Chinatown, Los Angeles or San Francisco Chinatown, the latter of which is undoubtedly still the largest in North America. Indeed, these "Chinatowns" tend to be suburban-style strip malls and shopping centers, and the amounts of them are fairly indicative of major Chinese diaspora population residing in the region. This has served as models for similar development in Chinatown, Las Vegas and Houston. Garvey Avenue in Monterey Park, Valley Boulevard in San Gabriel, and Colima Road in Rowland Heights are familiar landmarks to Chinese.

Rowland Heights offers its own mini Chinatown, including the businesses lining Colima Road (about one mile south of Valley), Fullerton Road and Nogales Avenue. Indoor malls in Rowland Heights feature fine restaurants and chic Asian boutiques. Continuing east from Rosemead further along Valley are the largely Hispanic communities of El Monte and La Puente and large industrial tracks including those that dominate the City of Industry. This ten mile long largely industrial corridor includes several Asian owned wholesale businesses including importers of electronics, food and furniture from Asia. North of La Puente is West Covina which is 26% Asian and south of La Puente is Hacienda Heights which is 36% Asian. Hacienda Heights is home to the Hsi Lai Temple, the largest Buddhist temple in the United States. The Temple is off Hacienda Road, on Glenmark Drive, about three miles south of Valley. On the east side of the San Gabriel Valley, before Valley becomes Holt Avenue in Pomona, are the communities of Rowland Heights, Walnut and Diamond Bar. These three communities each have Asian populations of between 50 and 60%.

My Chinatowns

The Asian communities in the San Gabriel Valley tend to lie along a 25 mile stretch of Valley Boulevard covering the entire length of the San Gabriel Valley with Alhambra on the west side and Diamond Bar on the east side. The northern San Gabriel valley includes largely White communities such as Pasadena and Monrovia while the southern part of the valley includes several Hispanic communities such as Montebello and Whittier. The Asian communities in the San Gabriel Valley tend to have a larger population of Hispanics than non-Hispanic Whites and Blacks. Asian communities in the San Gabriel Valley extend as far north as San Marino and Arcadia and as far south as Hacienda Heights and Rowland Heights.

  • Timothy P. Fong, The First Suburban Chinatown: The Remaking of Monterey Park (Temple University Press) ISBN 1-56639-262-4
  • Los Angeles Times, http://articles.latimes.com/1993-08-08/news/hl-21660_1_largest-buddhist-temple?pg=2

Continuing east from Alhambra along Valley Boulevard are the cities of San Gabriel and Rosemead with San Marino, Temple City and Arcadia being further north and east. These five cities have Asian populations between 40 and 55% with a large number of Asian businesses and mini Chinatowns in their various town centers. Arcadia has some of the finest tofu and dumpling houses in the world. Temple City, especially along Las Tunas Boulevard, is home to dozens of wedding shops and photographers supporting the Asian tradition of taking studio quality photos of the bride and groom before the wedding. Along Valley Boulevard in San Gabriel are dozens of Asian mini-malls and hundreds of shops and restaurants. San Gabriel Square is one of the most prominent and features a 99 Ranch Market, several shops and restaurants including specialties such as Taiwanese and Vegetarian food. Valley Boulevard in San Gabriel also includes the comprehensive San Gabriel Superstore .

continuing east from Rosemead further along Valley are the largely Hispanic communities of El Monte and La Puente and large industrial tracks including those that dominate the City of Industry. This ten mile long largely industrial corridor includes several Asian owned wholesale businesses including importers of electronics, food and furniture from Asia. North of La Puente is West Covina which is 26% Asian and south of La Puente is Hacienda Heights which is 36% Asian. Hacienda Heights is home to the Hsi Lai Temple, the largest Buddhist temple in the United States. The Temple is off Hacienda Road, on Glenmark Drive, about three miles south of Valley. On the east side of the San Gabriel Valley, before Valley becomes Holt Avenue in Pomona, are the communities of Rowland Heights, Walnut and Diamond Bar. These three communities each have Asian populations of between 50 and 60%.

Rollback

Before you revert me and then accuse me of stalking you in an attempt to deliberately harass you, I would like you to read what is acceptable use of rollback here: Wikipedia:Rollback feature#When to use rollback. Any further misuse to blank out my edits with no reason other than a threat on my talk page to "stop stalking me" will be reported to an administrator. …Grayshi talk ■ my contribs 20:26, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I am fully within the guidelines of my rollback privileges: "To revert obvious vandalism and other edits where the reason for reverting is absolutely clear" See [[8]] DocOfSoc (talk) 05:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
If you believe that your bad-faith accusations and your own definition of "vandalism" gives you free access to rollback, which you have done numerous times in the past, I believe you should have your rollback rights revoked. Also, need I remind you of WP:NPA? Calling me a dick on two different talk pages is a blatant personal attack and I will not tolerate that. …Grayshi talk ■ my contribs 20:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
DocOfSoc, let me make it a formal warning. If you misuse rollback in this fashion again, I will remove the privilege from your account. It is your responsibility to clearly communicate the purpose of your edits. Committed editors making changes to articles does not constitute vandalism. Franamax (talk) 21:14, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Doc#2: time to be mad at me again :< Please don't get in trouble, as they are both quite correct about using Rollback. Grayshi is most certainly NOT "you-know-who" (and you know this), so you must get along even when disagreeing. I know all about being "red-headed" as you know, and when to back off. Please? Doc talk 21:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

AN/I

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Doc talk 04:15, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

See here. Ncmvocalist (talk) 06:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Bemused

Dear Fran, AsI said to Crohnie last night, I was half asleep and just clicking around the top of the page and there it was! I jsut checked again, twice. And I can't find it either. I have no explanation other than they veracity of my statement: "Where else would I have gotten it?" I will admit, when I am in pain, I get a bit snarky, but I never lie, was it Lincoln who said I don't have a good enough memory to lie /LOL! YOur above advice is actually right on and I am very grateful for your wisdom. I need to post it on my puter. As an aside, when I was dating my darling dead husband, the first book he bought me was "Women who love to much".I haven't changed I have to learn not to care so much. SIGH Thanks again Oh Esteemed "Mentor" admin and other good stuff.

-) Another aside, people used to ask my Mom "Is Joy ( that would be me) for real? Yep. No gratuitous compliments. Namaste...Thanks again. DocOfSoc (talk) 23:43, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
The Nursing Madonna by Pedro Berruguete, c. 1500

Copying

I'm afraid that we're not allowed to copy significant chunks of text from other websites.[9][10] See WP:COPYVIO. We should be able to find better sources for demographic info anyway.   Will Beback  talk  09:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Well at least I got to hear from you;-) Did I not change the text enough? As we have discussed before, I DO change the text, if you compare the two in the first link, there are a multitude of changes. I am going to bed, will compare the other two tomorrow. I thought if enough changes were made I was not violating WP:COPYVIO. That was never my intention. Respectfully...DocOfSoc (talk) 10:27, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Looking at it, a lot of it is direct cut/paste from the source. Even with tweaks/changes that is still a problem. The other issue is that taking text and changing it is a bad approach, because it leads to "close paraphrasing" which is still a copyright issue. The best approach is to write entirely from scratch and avoid any connection to the source text. --Errant [tmorton166] (chat!) 10:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, I defer to my respected admins. Note to self: 'No more editing in the early morning hours when I am too tired." As always, TY both for your sage advice. Will rewrite! Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 10:55, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
A Note from Tim also, I feel loved...I think ;-)

Sorry, I apparently blew it. No more sleep typing! Joyfully yours...

Don't worry, it's easy to do. I've written stuff in the past and then woken up the next day re-read and though "oops" :P I removed a few more bits that were either direct copies or a little too closely paraphrased - but stuff like this Estimates for 2010 census put the population to over more than 2 million is perfect, it uses the source but is not anything like the text there :) --Errant [tmorton166] (chat!) 11:15, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh, BTW, it is not an obvious essay - but WP:PARAPHRASE has some useful tips --Errant [tmorton166] (chat!) 11:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
YOU are truly awesome. Now, I Shall ensconce myself in my boudoir with NO puter, although it IS early for me: 3:30 am LOL Most of my fav people are across the pond! sigh...

AN/I

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Doc talk 04:15, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

See here. Ncmvocalist (talk) 06:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Found It!

Dear Franamax, Went back to clicking, it really bothers me when it seems my veracity may be in doubt. The template for the SoCal Chinatown is here [11]. So the mystery of where is solved, not, why and how? You don't know me that well,soI hope this is a big step forward ;-) Joyfully, Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 21:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

OK yeah, you may be missing a technical detail. When text is enclosed by "<!--" and "-->" is called a comment and doesn't show up on the actual page. This is used sometimes to put in hidden notes for editors only (like <!-- Please list entries alphabetically -->). But still, it said "For administrator use only" - how did you miss that part? Franamax (talk) 22:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
I didn't miss it. What i didn't understand why 'closed" doesn't mean " closed" whomever you are. What am I missing here? If it is closed for admins why not all? I apologize again, but can you see it was an honest mistake? I am still flummoxed.
It is just a placeholder for when the admin actually does close it, that is why it is hidden in a comment. When it gets closed, the admin can update the results and put them onto the article talk page (of course if the result is "delete" it won't really matter). You wouldn't necessarily know that (believe me, the amount of junk you have to know as an administrator and the amount of junk you see, it's certainly not a prize, more like a punishment) but that is why there are all those messages about not editing there. In future you would be better to ask a more experienced editor or (since I think Crohnie was confused by it too) an admin, especially if it says admin use only. We're expected to understand all these things. :) In a high-voltage situation like the current one, Crohnie is right that blunders can raise hackles all around Franamax (talk) 23:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
And while I'm here I guess, your comment on Skookum1's talk page earlier today was way out of line. I do appreciate your sentiment of wanting to get along better and I hope it continues, but you sure stumbled at the first fence. From my reading, it is indeed you who were wrong and "being a pain". You put your own comment into a thread about a totally unrelated topic, which confused another editor who has no idea of the back-and-forth netween you and Skookum. If you are going to comment on other editor's talk pages, it really is up to you to not interrupt their other conversationa, by adding to an existing relevant section or starting a new one. I'm trying to get both of you to rein in this "you are hateful" stuff and that certainly didn't help. Yes, there is a lot to learn here. :) Franamax (talk) 00:02, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Correction

DocOfSoc is being a pain by posting dictionary definitions of words he's never heard before (I'd used that one to describe her original research/synth-type contributions on a certain article), and apparently doesn't know how to make section headings on talkpages either. It has nothing to do with my question about the pronunciation of "Labouchere".....Skookum1 (talk) 18:19, 9 November 2010 (UTC) THIS was extremely insulting to someone who has skewed class vocabulary scores since third grade! And yes I goofed by not starting a new section, for which I apologize again. If you go back and read the page, I have tried several times to get along with Skook. While you are there, you can read how he has maligned me every step of the way. Now he has aligned himself with yet another reincarnation of sock puppet of SRQ, who is up for a permanent ban. [12] After being bombard by SRQ for so long, I will be the first to admit my patience has worn thin, and I am working on it. Since my baby sisters death earlier this year my RL is decimated. I ask for your patience and your continued sage advice. God isn't done with me yet! DocOfSoc (talk) 02:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm trying to work on Skookum1's behaviour directly with him too, but this is about your behaviour, which is the only thing you can control. The charge that your writing has OR and Synth issues is not a personal attack, it's a comment on your edits. It's certainly not done with any grace - but I haven't seen you give an inch on anything, do you really think a bridal shop is a Chinatown? Your latest comment at the AFD is not helpful at all, if I don't have a response to something I just don't respond to it. All you're saying there is "please everyone, ignore that, trust me, I'm right and he's wrong", which is hardly a compelling argument. Really, try to focus less on other people's behaviour and concentrate on making your own above reproach. Then it will become very easy to see who is acting badly. Franamax (talk) 16:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
I am sorry my RL is affecting my edits here. My husband's dementia has recently worsened which is making me crazy. The fact that Skooks first post contained a personal attack that was not addressed did not help. His <censored> attacks re: my vocabulary, really hits a nerve, it is so far off base and insulting that I reacted strongly, my third grader self, with the 11th grade vocabulary came out and I was nine again, sorry. I am living with my husband of 44 years early Alzheimer's has me overwhelmed and snippy, again I apologize. Again, a plead for patience, and if you are so inclined , prayers. I shall refrain from making any more comments at all.

OTOH, I live in a Chinese enclave, one mile from Temple City's Las Tunas ehtnoburb. it is unfortunate we don't have the pictures. It does feel like my friends and neighbors are being disregarded. I shall try to get the full text with pictures of the following:

Lucy's Bridal & Photography is one of the several boutiques that line Las Tunas Drive.; P "There are 17 nail salons, but they don't complain about them, they complain about us. When the police came, we didn't know what had happened. . . . Then we saw the Chinese newspaper. . . . Then we got very mad. We're still upset.'- [Lucy Wang], Owner of Lucy's Bridal; PHOTO: Rimin Chen of Lucy's Bridal sews gown for wedding reception. Asian brides often wear three gowns.; Debbie Tam, left, selects bridal portraits of her sister with mother, Wendy Chen.; Eugene Wang positions Angela Lin and Fred Pinzon for their wedding portrait at Lucy's Bridal. / JACQUIE HARLAN / For The Times; PHOTO: COLOR, On the Cover: Elaborate wedding dresses and lavish portraits such as those displayed at Sheraton Wedding Wear and (many, sic)Photo Studios have made Temple City's nine bridal stores a shopping mecca, especially for Asian American brides. Some come from as far away as New York and Texas to visit the bridal district on Las Tunas Drive. But the shops have been plagued by persistent rumors that they are fronts for prostitution, despite police assurances that everything is on the up-and-up. / HYUNGWON KANG / Los Angeles Times
Meanwhile, I will keep fingers quiet, I DO respect your opinion and excellent advice. Mea CulpaDocOfSoc (talk) 00:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Wow, if I'm reading that right, the suggestion is that if you want paid sex you walk into a bridal shop?? That's hilarious, but being a guy, if I'm turned down for sex for the next 700 years or so I might try that as a last resort. :) But seriously, right there you are using a rather tangential source, the article appears to be about bawdy-house offences rather than the subject you wish to discuss, You are much more secure when you source a statement to a news article about that specific topic.
I recognize that you've had a bad experience here (and in life lately), but I hope you recognize too that it is really up to you to overcome all that and make yourself a whole person. It will be your own triumph, so I will be applauding at the end. Remember though that many other editors here are carrying their own crosses, not all of which are apparent on the surface, Extend tha same courtesy to others that you wish would be extended to you, that's really all I am asking. Keep focussing on our goals for content. Franamax (talk) 00:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Hi, just want to bring this to your attentions. There are administrators who watch this talk page who have dealt with blocking this sockmaster that may have an interest in this too. I don't want to name any names at this point but one of the administrators suggested this a while ago, I just don't remember which one. There is a new sock account going on right now that you can tell from the edits it's the same banned editor if anyone would care to block the account though I suspect it will be abandoned by now which is User:Bluetalonsteel. This editor has gotten one article protected due to socking and edit warring. Thanks, --CrohnieGalTalk 12:40, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Copying

Copying text and then changing a few words is not sufficient.[13] You need to write it in your own words. See WP:PLAGIARISM.   Will Beback  talk  21:53, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

In reviewing the articles side by side, I feel I made significant changes @ 3:30AM ;-) (when the newsletter comes in each morning) Reviewing in the light of day, I see that a few more changes could have been made, but dear Will, it seems apparent to me that an honest attempt was made to rewrite so as not to be violating WP:PLAGIARISM. OTOH, I am running out of "my own words" after months of writing on this subject. Rather than deleting it, I think a few more changes would have made it more acceptable. I really do appreciate you, more than you know. More input would be sincerely appreciated. I hold you in great esteem. Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 22:39, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
If you start from the concept of making changes, then it's an uphill battle. Instead, try to start by writing your own original version of events. (It's a lot easier if you have two or more sources.) Then, where absolutely necessary, borrow or quote a few words at a time. There are many good tips in WP:PLAGIARISM, I really do suggest you read it.   Will Beback  talk  23:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
I HAVE read it, several times, silly;-) xoxo DocOfSoc (talk) 23:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
In all seriousness, I don't want to keep coming back about this. Please be extra-careful in the future. Editors have been blocked or banned for serial plagiarism. It really is a serious issue.   Will Beback  talk  10:04, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Doc 2, this is really a serious issue. If you are running out of your own words to put in than maybe you need to walk away from the subjects all together for awhile. The community doesn't take lightly copying, ie; plagerism or copyright problems. You should never copy anything from any source to an article or anywhere else on this project. Read the sources, take notes if you have to but do not copy and paste it. If you have to, then do it on you own computer. Add a file to your computer and copy what you want to add to an article but haven't gotten it into your own words yet. This way you can work on using your own words without breaching policies here. There has been a lot lately about plagerism and copyright problems here at the project. Recently it got so bad that an arbitrator resigned his position also giving up everything else they were allowed to have and than retired from the site beause the heat go so bad. So please, it's really easy to make a file on your computer to work on something that you want to add to an article. Again, please do not ever copy anything to Wikipedia that you get from a source or that can be considered copyright or plagerism. It's never ends well and the pressure has to be enormous for the editor. The arbitrator I mentioned said it was an accident I believe but still the heat was on him. If you need to talk about this please email me since I'm about to leave my computer now. Please though listen to Will Beback and Franamax or anyone else that has your well being in mind. Your comments of sweetness, trust me on this, will not help if this ever gets elevated. I hope you understand, --CrohnieGalTalk 19:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry

Hi, you can archive this, it's your talk page. But it still needs to be discussed so editor know you understand. Please respond or tell me it's none of my business and I'll move on. --CrohnieGalTalk 14:31, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi. This morning, I removed a copyright problem from the article San Jacinto, California, which seems to have been added by you on November 15th: [14]. I see that there have been conversations with you about copying in the recent past. This content was copied from Ballotpedia, which is not compatibly licensed with Wikipedia. You may not copy content to Wikipedia from that site any more than you can from a fully protected publication. Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Copyrights and Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright. If you are not absolutely sure that content is free of copyright concerns, you should never place it here. It must be completely rewritten in your own words.

If you are sure that content is free of copyright concerns, you may copy it, but not in that manner. That consitutes "plagiarism" under Wikipedia's definition, even if you cite your source. See Wikipedia:Plagiarism. If you copy content, you must acknowledge that it is copied.

I see that above you are advised of other copyright problems that you have inadvertently created and asked to clean them. For instance, you were notified of a specific problem here on November 25th, but though you have been editing since, you have not fully addressed that concern. To clarify, this is what you added to that article in that edit:

The City of Alhambra was incorporated on July 11, 1903 and became the third city in the state to adopt bycharter the Council-Manager form of government. Council members are nominated by district and elected atlarge for four-year terms at elections held in even numbered years.

Alhambra occupies 7.69 square miles and generally has been fully developed since the 1960’s, the influx of new business, primarily Asian, has continued to grow and develop even further in the 21st century. Private development and higher densities have increased the population from 54,800 in 1960 to 89,171 in 2009. The City is diversified with single family and multiple family housing development, commercial development, and significant industrial development.

The City has implemented a full range of municipal services. Services provided include police, fire, street maintenance and improvements, trash collection, water and storm drains, recreation, upgraded the library, public improvements, planning zoning, and general administrative and support services.

This pdf says, at page V:

The City of Alhambra was incorporated on July 11, 1903 and became the third city in the state to adopt by charter the Council-Manager form of government. Council members are nominated by district and elected at large for four-year terms at elections held in even numbered years.... Alhambra occupies 7.69 square miles and generally has been fully developed since the 1960’s. Private development and higher densities have increased the population from 54,800 in 1960 to 89,171 in 2009. The City is diversified with single family and multiple family housing development, commercial development, and significant industrial development.

The City provides a full range of municipal services. Services provided include police, fire, street maintenance and improvements, trash collection, water and storm drains, recreation, library, public improvements, planning zoning, and general administrative and support services.

The city of Alhambra claims full copyright over its material. You removed some of this here, but left the bulk of it (which I have just removed.)

A glance at your contributions shows me that there is more cause for concern. For instance, much of the content added here is taken with no or minimal alteration from this pdf. Among the content you added is the following:

The site contains six buildings that seem to be eligible for individual listing on the National Register, the site is listed as a State Historical Landmark, and the entire site is listed in the California Register of Historical Resources.

As such, the entire site would be considered to be an historic resource under the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) and would be subject to all of the rules and regulations therein. Of the 64 buildings on the 74 acre site, only 8 are eligible for historic designation. The Whittier Conservancy feels that there is plenty of land on the 74 acres for a successful mixed use development that could incorporate the older historic buildings for adaptive reuse along with infill development for big box, commercial,retail, senior and market rate.

Page 1 of the PDF produced by that private organization says:

The site contains six buildings that appear to be eligible for individual listing on the National Register, the site is listed as a State Historical Landmark, and the entire site is listed in the California Register of Historical Resources..

As such, the entire site would be considered to be an historic resource under the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) and would be subject to all of the rules and regulations therein..

Of the 64 buildings on the 74 acre site, only 8 are eligible for historic designation. The Whittier Conservancy feels that there is plenty of land on the 74 acres for a successful mixed use development that could incorporate the older historic buildings for adaptive reuse along with infill development for big box, commercial, retail, senior and market rate housing.

You've also added this content to Whittier, California, here. (Content is being removed pending a rewrite.) As you are now aware, taking content from previously published sources with little or no change is inconsistent both with Wikipedia's handling of non-free content (WP:C, WP:NFC) and with its approach to plagiarism. The former of these is a particularly serious concern. Fully cleaning up such content needs to be a priority.

Can you please tell me specifically what steps you are taking to evaluate your past contributions to make sure that other copyright concerns are being addressed? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:17, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I have been going thru my contributions and editing a bit at a time as I have not been feeling well and have spent limited time on the computer. I was DX today with Whooping cough so it's going to be a while. I have also found tho, while I was rewriting, I have missed saving a couple times. e.g. here is the last edit I made in Whittier as part of clean up: [15] I did clean it up and blew it again :-( I am really sick, more later. I have been making an honest effort to clean up. I cannot apologize enough. Back to bed. I understand you have to delete, np. I will go back and rewrite from scratch later when I do not sound and feel like a sick whooping crane. Ty for your patience. DocOfSoc (talk) 14:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Communication, Cmr

Sorry for causing problems

I see you have now gone to other editors seeking help in dealing with my edits. I'm sorry for causing all these problems, which I didn't know were problems until now. I was under the impression that I was supposed to use the edit summary to explain what I was doing, and since no other editors had complained about them, I figured I was doing to the right thing, but I guess I was wrong. Also, you're comment to another editor about me not having a funny bone seems a bit much, since from earlier messages, I thought you understood that I didn't know what talk page stalker meant at that point in time. It seems no matter what I do, you manage to find a problem with it, when all I'm trying to do is constructively clean up articles. It seems strange that with the problems you had in the past with being harrased, you would push away an editor who was actually trying to help. At this point, I feel it would be in everyones best interests if I just leave the California articles alone, and concentrate on other areas. Once again, I ask that you accept my appology for the problems I caused. Cmr08 (talk) 17:17, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Very very ill

Look up anaphylaxis. Been mostly dead all day. New Drug allergy :-( DocOfSoc (talk) 01:48, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Eek! Best wishes. What drug / drug type? As someone who has too much personal experience as a patient, I feel for you. tedder (talk) 01:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
ty, u r the best! Bactrim, all sulphas now. sorry you have 2 much experience! back to bed now.DocOfSoc (talk) 01:56, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Yikes. Get well soon.   Will Beback  talk  02:12, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
TY Will ;-) DocOfSoc (talk) 04:20, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to see you too are having problems, as you know I too just got out of the hospital. I sent you a quick note yesterday. As usual get to it when you can. You know my experiences so you take care of yourself. I came here basically just to say hello to you. Will talk later, answer the email when you can and we can compare notes. <smile> Take care sweetie, get well, talk soon, --CrohnieGalTalk 12:20, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect

To whom it may concern, (not my Dear Peeps)

  • incorrect, adjective

1 an incorrect answer wrong, erroneous, in error, mistaken, inaccurate, imprecise, wide of the mark, off target; untrue, false, fallacious; informal out, way out.

  • rude adjective

1 a rude man | rude remarks ill-mannered, bad-mannered, impolite, discourteous, uncivil, unmannerly, mannerless; impertinent, insolent, impudent, disrespectful, cheeky; churlish, curt, brusque, brash, offhand, short, sharp; offensive, insulting, derogatory, disparaging, abusive; tactless, undiplomatic, uncomplimentary

  • Christian, adjective

1 of, relating to, or professing Christianity or its teachings : the Christian Church. • informal having or showing qualities associated with Christians, esp. those of decency, kindness, and fairness.

  • manners, noun

1 polite or well-bred social behavior

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