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"Hanyu Pinyin" is a proper name derived from the term 汉语拼音, Hànyǔ Pīnyīn, which, according to the rules of 汉语拼音, is capitalized. Hanyu is a proper noun just as "English“ is a proper noun. There are many "pinyin" systems and all of them are capitalized when they are specific, as they are proper names. "pinyin' can be used generically and un-capitalized. "Romanization" is a proper name not related to making anything "Roman", there is no root word "roman", only "Roman". "-ization" is a suffix used to change certain nouns into a verb, it is a process. Just as "catheterisation" does not turn a penis into a catheter, "Romanisation" does not turn anything into a "Roman" as it refers to the "Roman" alphabetic system, not a person "Roman".
Drmmhmd (talk) 03:20, 5 July 2014 (UTC)drmmhmdDrmmhmd (talk) 03:20, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Approximately 18 years after I was born in Beijing, I, along with millions of other students wrote an exam that you may know as the 普通高等学校招生. The first part of the exam is 汉语拼音 Hànyǔ Pīnyīn. There are rules for writing 汉语拼音 Hànyǔ Pīnyīn that are in fact "law" in China. 汉语拼音 Hànyǔ Pīnyīn is a "proper name". The Hàn of 汉语 Hànyǔ refers to the 汉族 Hànzú, the ethnic majority of China. Just like "English" or "American" these are proper names hence capitalized. You will note that all of the previous Pinyin (note the capitalization) words are capitalized. This is the "law" in China that creates a standardized "Romanization" for the 汉字 Hànzì . Please note that this is also capitalized as it is a proper name and "law" in China.
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Drmmhmd, hanzi is certainly not a proper noun either but a count noun, as it is quite possible to say things like the nearly 76,000 hanzi of Unicode 7.0 and each hanzi fits in a square. — Since you obviously lack the linguistic skills to test the sub-class of English nouns: please refrain from unsourced editing. LiliCharlie (talk) 08:30, 5 July 2014 (UTC) LiliCharlie (talk) 08:32, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
is entertaining and belies a simplicity of intellect and lack of knowledge of what the word 汉字 Hànzì is. 汉字 Hànzì is not a simple word but a compound. It would seem that you need to be schooled in the grammar and construction of "Chinese". As you may not know, "Chinese" grammar words and "English" grammar words (note the capitalization) are different with some overlap but over a dozen categories of words that compose "Chinese" grammar do not exist in English. The reason that your "hanzi" is not a count noun is because it is a compound word, functionally a phrase, to use the "English" term. Your, "the nearly 76,000 hanzi of Unicode 7.0 and each hanzi fits in a square." is a pathetic attempt at blending two languages. You could say that "the nearly 76,000 Han characters of Unicode 7.0 and each Han character fits in a square." The is linguistically correct. Writing "han" or "hanz"i is as correct as writing "american" or "american english", if you wrote that on an exam it would simply be marker as wrong.
One of the characteristics of English (note the capitalization) "proper names" is that they cannot be conventionally modified by the usual rules of the parent language grammar. You cannot "Chevroletize" something, but, on keeping with you incorrect example of "count noun" you can say "Chevrolet car", note the functional relationship with the 汉语拼音 Hànyǔ Pīnyīn word Hànzì (note the capitalization).
Incidently, Chinese people find it very entertaining that 外国人 keep writing in their literature that "each Han character fits in a square".
To use Baidu as a reference, is, well, entertaining and belies a non-academic education. You do know that the internet is flawed, right?
"pinyin" can be used as a generic term such as; there are many different "pinyin". However, in keeping with the rules of your language, any reference of a "proper noun" such as Hanyu Pinyin, is abbreviated using the components of the proper noun, hence, if this wiki article is about the pinyin variant described and put into law by the Chinese government, it is correctly Anglicized (note the capitalization) as Pinyin. You "armchair" professors are entertaining, the fact that one of you "concurs" only demonstrates your group psychosis. That fact that there are references that substantiate your position does not make your position correct. Translating 汉字 to 汉语拼音 is a standardized process to allow improvement in literacy using a standardized system. It is reliable and reproducible. Changing 汉语拼音 to an Anglicized version is simply removing the diacritic markers.
When I get a chance I will further educate you.
"Since you obviously lack the linguistic skills to test the sub-class of English nouns: please refrain from unsourced editing."
ahahahahahahaha!, I have not laughed so hard for so long, thank you.
"unsourced editing", hilarious, am I allowed to use books that I wrote on 汉字 and 汉语拼音 as references?
Drmmhmd (talk) 13:13, 7 July 2014 (UTC)drmmhmdDrmmhmd (talk) 13:13, 7 July 2014 (UTC)