User talk:Eewilson/Archive 003

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This is a manual archive of my talk page July 2021 – December 2021. Minimal history is on the history tab for this page. Most of the history is found on the history tab at User talk:Eewilson where the changes were originally made.

DYK for Symphyotrichum lateriflorum

On 18 July 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Symphyotrichum lateriflorum, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the blossoms of Symphyotrichum lateriflorum (examples pictured) have been used by the Meskwaki as a smudge "to cure a crazy person who has lost his mind"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Symphyotrichum lateriflorum. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Symphyotrichum lateriflorum), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Jerry G. Chmielewski for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Jerry G. Chmielewski is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jerry G. Chmielewski until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Less Unless (talk) 13:54, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On stubs

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Hi Eewilson,

I have been creating drafts for List of Dracophyllum species as well as a template and realising there are so many red links, do you think I should spam stubs, to improve later? Thanks, Draco phyllum 11:27, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I did for the Symphyotrichum species. I created a text file with the beginning text and citations, then pasted it in each one and changed them according to the species. Most have basic data that came from three sources. You would likely find the same with Dracophyllum, depending on the species' native location, like POWO for valid name/authorities/synonyms, IUCN for conservation data, and a flora for basic description. Remember to attach the created file to the Wikidata record, but if you aren't comfortable with that, a bot will probably come around within a few days and do it. And put the Stub template tag at the bottom as well as create the talk page with the Plants Project template {{WikiProject Plants|class=stub|importance=low|needs-image=yes}}. If you have an image, you can leave off the needs-image qualifier. Each one probably took less than 15–20 minutes once I got into it, and now I almost forget that a month ago, there were many red-links for that genus. So if you feel so inspired, figure out what should be in a Dracophyllum stub, and WP:BEBOLD! —Eewilson (talk) 11:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aren't Navboxes neat? I created Template:Symphyotrichum a couple of weeks ago. Also, remember, red-links aren't BAD, they are just a reminder that Wikipedia is never finished. —Eewilson (talk) 12:02, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your Dracophyllum Navbox template can use D. instead of the full genus name for each species in the list. Makes it more compact. Nice work! —Eewilson (talk) 12:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you want, I can create you a userbox, like this but for your favorite genus: :) —Eewilson (talk) 12:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, I'd love one :) Draco phyllum 21:07, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Created AND added to your Userpage — just because. :) Feel free to edit the template if you wish to change the image or color. You can also snatch it and put it in your own namespace if you want, but you don't have to. —Eewilson (talk) 00:17, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's perfect, thank you!!! Draco phyllum 01:24, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This user passionately and lovingly edits Dracophyllum articles.

Thank you very much

		The Premium Reviewer Barnstar
		Hi, Eewilson, Thank you very much for your thorough review, editing, advice, and hard work on the Jane Ingham article. I consider you joint author of the article as you improved it so much during your review. It has been a joy to work with you, and above all, your knowledge and experience has been a complete education for me. I learnt more in a week working with you than in my entire time here on Wikipedia. I am also looking forward to working with again in the future, thank you very much. Gricharduk (talk) 08:29, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In appreciation

		The Reviewers Award
		By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this award in recognition of the thorough, detailed and actionable reviews you have carried out at FAC. This work is very much appreciated. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:15, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! I hadn't noticed the award above. Clearly the community is coming to a consensus. . Gog the Mild (talk) 22:16, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gog the Mild This makes me a little weepy. Thank you! Eewilson (talk) 22:18, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some thoughts

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I remember in the GA review I requested you remove the long captions on the root images, but now I wonder whether you really need four separate images just of the root structure... Also I would recommend testing out some more multiple image blocks – particularly in the description and ecology sections. Draco phyllum 09:15, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dracophyllum do you mean in the Symphyotrichum lateriflorum article? I just submitted S. Novae-angliae for GA. S. Lateriflorum is just waiting on someone to press GO for FA. Maybe it only needs one caudex photo, you’re thinking? Eewilson (talk) 10:14, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah Draco phyllum 10:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea! I should probably wait to change it until after it gets to FA so it doesn't slow that down. Eewilson (talk) 10:54, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think my changes to your image placements on your GAN are good? Draco phyllum 10:56, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! Feel like doing another of your super thorough GA reviews? :) Eewilson (talk) 11:03, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm unfortunately quite busy atm Draco phyllum 11:09, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Too bad. You have such great input, but you know your limits. I should do better with that. I welcome any and all of your input. Eewilson (talk) 11:14, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I mean in real life Eewilson! Draco phyllum 11:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Real life! What's that??? Eewilson (talk) 11:27, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promotion of Symphyotrichum lateriflorum

Congratulations, Eewilson! The article you nominated, Symphyotrichum lateriflorum, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.

This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured article. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) via FACBot (talk) 12:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We've done GA and now FA, what's next, FL? You've got a head start on me there... Draco phyllum 05:25, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! Yes we have! Do you think it's too much? The list? :) Eewilson (talk) 07:50, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations Eewilson! It is a fabulous article and throughly deserves to be a featured article. Gricharduk (talk) 15:50, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Gricharduk!! :) Eewilson (talk) 00:16, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Incomplete DYK nomination

Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Symphyotrichum molle at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; if you would like to continue, please link the nomination to the nominations page as described in step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with {{db-g7}}, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 00:56, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Jane Ingham

On 10 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jane Ingham, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the English botanists Jane Ingham and Joseph Hubert Priestley were the first to separate cell walls from meristematic tissues in broad beans? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jane Ingham. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Jane Ingham), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good Job!

		*The Good Jb!* Award**
		Congratulations on your featured article submission! It's especially nice to see your passion for flowers; we seem to have too many featured articles about video games, music, and military wars recently... Panini!^🥪 18:32, 12 November 2021 (UTC) [reply]

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I noticed that you seemed to be a little confused about the featured article process, so let me sit down and clarify some things for you: proper featured article candidates require a source review, and image reviews, and three prose reviews in order to be passed. "Three prose reviews" is unofficial and super flexible, so it really depends on the article's quality (for example, this old one of mine had like 10). Spot checks are good but are optional for passing. It depends on whether or not someone comes in and does it, and due to a lack of participation, it's unlikely for this to happen. If you want to contact the coordinators, one subheader will suffice and any future comments you have you can put under it. It helps save space so this page, which transcludes all the reviews, doesn't get so massive. I'd also ping the coordinators a little less; there's only four of them that handle the front page, so although it's simply you being passionate it can appear to be nagging to the coordinators. Hope this helps for next time! Panini!^🥪 18:32, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Panini! Hey, thanks! Can you give me one of these for how to get your DYK scheduled, too! :) Eewilson (talk) 18:39, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eewilson, DYK is far simpler in comparison to GA and FAC; nominate your article, and eventually, a reviewer will come in and check it out. Since the requirements for DYK is 5x expansion or GA promotion, the chances of the reviewer pointing out something about the article directly is unlikely (not impossible, but unlikely). They have a checklist of things they need to check off that most likely were already cleaned up during a rewrite/expansion, so it's nothing to worry about. There's also not only an abundance of common DYK patrollers, but users who have over five DYKs are required to review another one (quid pro quo), so it should be picked up in about under a week. When a reviewer leaves a comment, it's always something small; when you see a green checkmark, you're in the clear! It notifies the coordinators and they do all the queue organization for you. Since DYKs are barely disputed and easy to manage compared to the very stingy FAC, so it functions well on its own without much need for coordinator intervention. Panini!^🥪 02:04, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Panini! Thanks! Once a DYK nomination passes review, eventually it gets scheduled to appear on the main page. Is there anything required on my end for that to happen? I don't think so, if I remember correctly from the DYK I did for the GA article earlier in the year, but I want to make sure because I'm finding some parts of the steps either missing or missing from my reading. The part about the number of reviewers for FA, how to do a TFA schedule request, and what to do after a DYK nomination has passed (I have two of those right now), are answers I either haven't found on the instructions pages or that I completely glossed over when reading. I appreciate your taking the time to instruct me. Eewilson (talk) 03:04, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and one more thing (hopefully) about the TFA request. Should I ask people to take a look at it for support, or just wait? Is it a QPQ thing where I take a look at others' TFA requests? Eewilson (talk) 03:08, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see what must have happened for me with the instructions for TFA nomination. After doing step 3, which I believe took me to a different page, I didn't go back to step 4, on the original page, likely having forgotten it was there. This explains why I didn't place it either for a specific date or unspecified. <eyeroll> Eewilson (talk) 03:22, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eewilson, must've missed this one.

When a DYK passes a review (when you see a green checkmark by the reviewer comment), you've done all you can. The DYK coordinators will take your hook and organize it into preps and even archive the page for you. Isn't that nice?

Incredibly nice! Eewilson (talk) 22:33, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging some people for attention will definitely garner supports but advertisement isn't necessary. The TFA request page gets about 15-20ish requests monthly for the coordinators to pick on, so most people keep an eye on that page to see the progress. Most likely users with a TFA request (and the coordinators themselves sometimes) will go, "Ah, what the heck. They've come this far", and support other TFAs while they're at the page, because why not?

Cool. Thanks. Eewilson (talk) 22:33, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, QPQ isn't necessary for the TFA process. You can bet, however, that if you support other TFAs they'll come and support yours back. Panini!^🥪 13:14, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and one more thing... you're probably wondering, "What's next?" Well, either you can move on to another project, or there is one more, massive-scale hurdle you can leap if you're up for it: Wikipedia:Good topics, Wikipedia:Featured topics. See this example. Panini!^🥪 13:23, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I have a new modem/router and am back online, I can take a look. thank you! Eewilson (talk) 22:33, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Panini! A belated THANK YOU for all the great information! Right now, I have another GA in the queue and my first FLC. And a DYK. Getting into the swing of it! Eewilson (talk) 04:41, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to hear! Please let me know if you have any more question. Panini!^🥪 12:41, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Triple Crown

THANK YOU, Grapple X! That is very clever. :) Eewilson (talk) 02:48, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Symphyotrichum molle

On 18 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Symphyotrichum molle, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Symphyotrichum molle, the soft aster, can be found only in the Bighorn Mountains of Montana and Wyoming? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Symphyotrichum molle. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Symphyotrichum molle), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of Symphyotrichum species

Looks good. There are a bunch of reviewers (or have been; things have been slowing down lately) who will jump in to make sure that articles get one support so they don't fail prematurely. I'll wait for one of those folks to review, then I'll jump in. - Dank (push to talk) 04:33, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Eewilson (talk) 04:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the offer of help on my plant list ... I've run into some problems, and I'm going to withdraw it from FLC and continue work on the list in my userspace. I'll keep it linked from my main user page. Your input is welcome any time. - Dank (push to talk) 15:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dank, no problem. Keep doing your good work. :) Eewilson (talk) 17:43, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, it was puzzling that I didn't pick up a 3rd support on my previous plant list for months (until your support), and it seems odd to me that your nomination doesn't have any supports yet. There's been some evidence this year that FLC is slowing down, but it doesn't appear to be broken, and processes like FLC tend to be sturdy over the long run (with occasional hiccups). Science-y lists at FLC (as well as articles at FAC) sometimes have a harder time ... because science puts constraints on what we can do, above and beyond the constraints that other nominators are dealing with. Patience might work ... or not, I'm not sure. If it goes on much longer, then we should probably start talking with some of the regular reviewers and see if there's something we need to be doing. - Dank (push to talk) 15:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dank, Thank you. I need to be patient. Just because we have worked on something for months and months and months does not mean it is important to anyone else. The frustration of being a Wikipedia editor. Eewilson (talk) 02:52, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ain't that the truth. - Dank (push to talk) 02:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Symphyotrichum potosinum

On 19 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Symphyotrichum potosinum, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that despite its common name of Santa Rita Mountain aster, Symphyotrichum potosinum can no longer be found in the Santa Rita Mountains of Arizona? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Symphyotrichum potosinum. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Symphyotrichum potosinum), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent work

Amazing work as always on your updated list, I'm very busy at the moment but taking some time to write something new has been calming. I see you are also writing about a favourite botanist of yours. I'm writing about Harry Allan, one of the greatest New Zealand botanists... Happy editing! Draco phyllum 08:58, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Dracophyllum! Yes, I am working on John C. Semple, my favorite. Right now, I'm just formatting his publications, including finding links to them. I know the long list won't be in the article, but it will be nice to have them for future reference. And it is work that doesn't require too much thinking. It is difficult to find published personal information for living people, so most of the article will be a focus on his work, and there is much of it. I look forward to reading your writing, as always. :) Eewilson (talk) 09:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dracophyllum, I hope everything is okay. Take care of yourself. It's a holiday week here in the US (Thanksgiving is tomorrow). Traditionally, it means people cook large turkeys and other food for hours on end to then stuff themselves and then nap from the Tryptophan in the turkey (I'm vegetarian, so I save the bird), and interact with family whom they don't like and typically only see when they have to. Mine is not like that. It will be relaxing. :) Eewilson (talk) 17:55, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Symphyotrichum lateriflorum scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that the Symphyotrichum lateriflorum article has been scheduled as today's featured article for January 5, 2022. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/January 5, 2022, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1000 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so.

For Featured Articles promoted recently, there will be an existing blurb linked from the FAC talk page, which is likely to be transferred to the TFA page by a coordinator at some point.

We suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks! Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:42, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for Symphyotrichum lateriflorum, about "the vascular plant species Symphyotrichum lateriflorum in the family Asteraceae. Symphyotrichum is a genus of about 96 asters native to the Americas. Most in the Northern Hemisphere bloom August–October, some as late as November. There are very few GA articles from this family, and this is the first for this genus. It has received only positive responses on its content and photographs during 2021, and I think it would be a great addition to the FA list and, if possible, one to appear during this Fall season (although obviously only if possible)."! - Nice to meet you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:20, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

Symphyotrichum

Thank you for quality articles around the list of Symphyotrichum species, such as Symphyotrichum lateriflorum, Symphyotrichum molle, Symphyotrichum potosinum and Symphyotrichum novae-angliae, for Jane Ingham and Johanna Quaas, for excellent reviewing, - Elizabeth, you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2691 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda Arendt, Aww! You gave me PRECIOUS! I'm so happy! I've seen them on others' user pages and was alittle jelly. Thank you! Today's a good day. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 17:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

... and 7 and 8 Jan as well, when the two DYK will appear and the TFA will still be mentioned on the Main page! I'm always amazed how much attention that gets! I like a benign cat adoring rats ;) - I keep a diary of my pics, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda Arendt, and how much vandalism it gets! I'll take a look at your diary. I DNK that. My benign cats "adore" my rats from afar, although if they had been brought up from kittens with them, they might have unusual interspecies friendships. I very rarely adopt kittens or baby rats (also called kittens). :) – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 18:18, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies

Sorry for ghosting on you after promising to do a GA review--the semester ramped up just after that and with one thing and another, I've been taking a pretty extended break from editing. I'm going back on break now, so this is a relatively good time for me if you'd like me to look at any Symphotrichum articles.

Remind me next fall, and I can get you a picture of S. pilosum var. pringlei if you need one. We have it growing near S. depauperatum at some of our serpentine barrens here, and there is a marked difference in appearance...some of us have been questioning whether the latter species is in fact present at Soldiers Delight. Choess (talk) 17:26, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Choess, thank you! I will take you up on those photos and will remind you. I was just thinking about how the sorry little S. pilosum article needs improvement, that it should be a near-future project, and that adding good pics of var. pringlei would be a part of that, if I could find them. You must have been reading my mind!

Regarding a Symphyotrichum article, there are two possibilities here. Of lesser importance right now is Symphyotrichum novae-angliae. It is in the queue to be reviewed for GA.

The other is an entirely revamped List of Symphyotrichum species, which is awaiting on a review as a FLC. It has had a review for accessibility but nothing else. If you have time and the desire, looking at it is more of a priority because eventually, they get archived if there has been no review interest. :/ Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Symphyotrichum species/archive1. I would oh so appreciate it, and thank you for the apology!

Symphyotrichum lateriflorum passed GA, passed and was promoted to FA, and will be TFA on January 5th! :) Eewilson (talk) 18:14, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Symphyotrichum novae-angliae

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Symphyotrichum novae-angliae you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of RoySmith -- RoySmith (talk) 16:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith, Thank you! I look forward to the review. Eewilson (talk) 18:14, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Symphyotrichum novae-angliae

The article Symphyotrichum novae-angliae you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Symphyotrichum novae-angliae for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of RoySmith -- RoySmith (talk) 20:41, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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