User talk:GarretKadeDupre

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Galileo letter

Hi Garret, Perhaps a consensus is emerging at Talk:Galileo Galilei that the letter should be cited along with what secondary sources say about it and without interpretive editorializing by wiki editors. Do you want to give it a try? Tkuvho (talk) 11:57, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! Perhaps I will try to track down those secondary sources and include their interpretations alongside the quote. Glad to see amicable conflict-resolution going on :) GarretKadeDupre (talk) 17:48, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Galileo had to be very cautious about contradicting his recantation--the Inquisition could do him mortal harm. Type "Rinuccini" into the search bar at this Google book and go to p. 366 and read at least thru p. 368. Galileo was cleverly answering a trick question without denying his true beliefs or getting into trouble. Yopienso (talk) 00:08, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Nonsense, the Inquisition was not going to lay a finger on him. The pope was Galileo's good friend, who only reluctantly approved the sentencing. Further, the interpretation that Galileo was answering a trick question is also nonsense. Galileo made negative remarks about both Helio & Geo centrism, something he would not do if he were lying to keep up the appearance of submission. Even the person who received his letter was so embarrassed of it (because he was so convinced Galileo meant what he said) that he tried to erase Galileo's signature. 99.195.173.226 (talk) 07:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

C'mon, this was the Inquisition, involving not just the Pope but the cardinals and the Jesuits. Urban got upset when Galileo published the Dialogs. They threatened Galileo with torture and put him under house arrest from 1634 till he died in 1642. He had to mind his p's and q's. The judgement of the Inquisition had been:

"We say, pronounce, sentence, and declare, that thou, the said Galileo, by the things deduced during this trial, and by thee confessed as above, hast rendered thyself vehemently suspected of heresy by this Holy Office, that is, of having believed and held a doctrine which is false, and contrary to the Holy Scriptures, to wit : that the Sun is the centre of the universe, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the Earth moves and is not the centre of the universe ...

And to the end that this thy grave error and transgression remain not entirely unpunished, and that thou mayst be more cautious for the future, and an example to others to abstain from and avoid similar offenses, We order that by a public edict the book of " Dialogues of Galileo Galilei " be prohibited, and We condemn thee to the prison of this Holy Office during Our will and pleasure . . ." Yopienso (talk) 09:29, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

You can keep insisting Galileo was under threat of torture, but until you can find evidence, you seem to just be making stuff up to make it seem like Galileo wasn't being sincere when he said it's certain Earth is immobile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.195.173.226 (talk) 01:22, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I didn't make anything up, I just pointed you to a scholarly interpretation. Some evidence:

See here, specially p. 11.

Nature, 1878.

Wikisource.

And a long essay by Maurice Finocchiaro, edited by Ronald L. Numbers. Yopienso (talk) 04:11, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Alright, having read your first source and further research on the term "rigorous examination" I will concede Galileo was threatened with torture.99.195.52.50 (talk) 09:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)