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July 2018

Hello, I'm Oshwah. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:34, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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May 2019

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Lex Luger. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. WWE.com is most reliable when it comes to billed height and weights Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:37, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

June 2019

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Cody Rhodes. StaticVapor message me! 18:24, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I left an edit summary on my last revert. Why are you changing something that was updated in 2017–2018, to something that was updated in like 2016 or probably much earlier? Is WWE a more reliable source than NJPW? StaticVapor message me! 18:39, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You are changing it for what reason to begin with when the first listed official site in credible sources is WWE.com as per WP:PW? Is there a clear cut reason for the edit to begin with? Did he grow an inch in height magically while wrestling in NJPW so that his WWE official stats are no longer accurate? I find that edit to be a clear case of bias with no justification to change something already cited from the first listed credible source according to Wikipedia guidelines. Hunterb212 (talk) 19:46, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Those are strong words to throw around to attempt to prove your point there. What do I have bias about? That literally makes no sense. The WWE.com source is probably more outdated than 2015, maybe it is a couple years old. They still have the weight for Velvateen Dream from over two years ago. What makes you doubt that he grew an inch over a few years? Even if he did not, that is still his most recent billed height and that is what the section lists. StaticVapor message me! 08:25, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Ngannou

Hi, I have reverted your edit on the above page. Pls note that the source already at the bottom of the infobox (Sherdog). We add source for the the infobox if the info can not be obtain from Sherdog.com - see here- Ngannou height from sherdog.com -

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October 2020

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Francis Ngannou, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Cassiopeia^(talk) 05:55, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have reverted your edit on the above page. Pls note that the source already at the bottom of the infobox (Sherdog). We add source for the the infobox if the info can not be obtain from Sherdog.com - see here- Ngannou weight from sherdog.com - Hunterb212 (talk) 06:01, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Francis Ngannou, you may be blocked from editing. Cassiopeia^(talk) 06:17, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hunterb212, good day. THIS was your edit where you removed a sourced content. The source is from ESPN and not sherdog. Thank you. Cassiopeia^(talk) 06:20, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually you are the one disruptive editing as we generally go by Sherdog which is cited at bottom of infobox. If you continue you may be blocked from editing. Hunterb212 (talk) 06:21, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hunterb212, First of all, fighter profile at Sherdog does not indicate the trainer but the team. Secondly removed a source content without explanation and that is a vandalism. If you continue to that you will be blocked. Thirdly, info can not be obtain from Sherdog fighter profile page do need sources for WP:PROVEIT. Lastly, you need to WP:Ping the editor who you send the message so they could receive a notification. See Template:Ping on instructions. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia^(talk) 06:26, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First of all I never said it indicated the trainer or the team. What I said was generally we use the stats from Sherdog for fighter profiles such as height and weight. What I was doing was not vandalism as I was following the source for official fighter profile cited at the bottom of the info box, which is Sherdog. I'll leave it as is though as clearly that small action offended you. I am not here to be disruptive at all though. Hunterb212 (talk) 06:33, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hunterb212, THIS IS Ngannou Sherdog Profile and THIS (pls click on the bold text to see the info. Again, Sherdog fighter profile does NOT indicate the trainer and you removed a sourced content without explanation that would considered a vandalism act. If you didnt know, now you know. I am one of the mma editors in Wikipedia and counter vandalism trainer and if you have any question, then do ask for I am here to help. However, if you continue to vandalism a page then you will be warned and lead up to a block. It is not that you offended me, but I am here to protect Wikipedia. Btw, you need to add additonal ":" (colon) from the previous message thread before you start your message (I have added for you) for that is the communication protocol in Wikipedia talk page and again pls ping when you send a message to the editor for they will not know you send them a message without the ping. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia^(talk) 06:41, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I already said I was leaving it alone and you are continually harassing and threatening to block me. You can go ahead and stop now, I'm not here to argue and edit war with people. Hunterb212 (talk) 06:48, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hunterb212, Hi Hunterb212, I am harassing or threatening you but to advise and info you which you had received in the past by other editors as well. As long as you edit constructively and adhere to Wikipedia guidelines then there will be no issues. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia^(talk) 06:53, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well I was told by another editor when I cited ESPN stats on a fighter not to do that and ho by Sherdog before. So it's a bit confusing on what is an accepted source for MMA fighter stats. Now you're telling me that I shouldn't use Sherdog even though it is cited on almost every fighter page as the source for their fight records. So am I to only use ESPN as a source for MMA fighter stats? Hunterb212 (talk) 06:58, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also when you look at a lot of MMA fighter' pages on here they have no citations for their height and weight. I think there should be, but I was told that we go by Sherdog because it is cited at the bottom of the infobox. So I am getting conflicting info on this subject from different editors. My question is do we cite Sherdog or ESPN for the stats specifically? Because if that is the case, most of the MMA fighter pages on Wikipedia aren't cited properly for stats. Hunterb212 (talk) 07:11, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hunterb212, The editor who informed you was me - see HERE-3. The message I had sent to you and the message I informed today is the same. I am going to explain again and please read it carefull. All MMA fgither infobox in Wikipedia info is obtained as per sherdog, UNLESS the info CAN NOT be found on the Sherdog Fighter page, then we would add in the info from other source and we need citation (source) to support the claim. For example, if you look at Ngannou Sherdog Profile, there fighter stand indicated, so we would use UFC fighter stats - see here Ngannou ufcstats. I have added the stand info on the inbox with source - see -here. Since the height info can be obtained from Sherdogl.com, then we dont need to change the source as the Sherdog source info already in the bottom of the infobox. Let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you. Cassiopeia^(talk) 08:24, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I understand but just so you know ESPN stats for MMA fighters are more accurate because they update every time a fighter weighs in for a fight, which Sherdog does not. So when you revert my edits on fighter stats from ESPN back to Sherdog, you are actually making them less accurate as the stats used on Sherdog are not up to date. I can attest to this as someone who regularly watches MMA and is quite familiar with fighter stats. Just thought that should be corrected to improve accuracy but apparently you consider that vandalism. Hunterb212 (talk) 15:39, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Tito Ortiz. Cassiopeia^(talk) 00:08, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Hunterb212, As mentioned to you many times before and also by other editors - Info can be obtained from Sherdog will be recorded in the infobox, if not then source is needed. Ortiz is 6'2" as per Sherdog - see [1]. Since 2007, Sherdog partnered with ESPN, providing extensive MMA content and fighter database to ESPN - see here - 1. There is also discussion on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard regarding Sherdog as a reliable source - see here - 2. Since Sherdog partnered with ESPN and ESPN is considered reliable then Sherdog info should be considered reliable as well. Pls so stop what you are doing before you get blocked. Cassiopeia^(talk) 00:14, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hunterb212, One more thing, pls do not remove the height conversion - example 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m), only in America uses feets and inches but the rest of the world use metric system. The convesion template shows both system. Thank you. Cassiopeia^(talk) 00:19, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Listen to me you have repeated yourself again and again and I have done what you said and converted stats to reflect the info on Sherdog. You have no authority to block me either if my edits are accurate and I am providing a reliable source as I've done nothing wrong there so your threats don't scare me. You continually revert edits but you don't even check the websites to see if the info you are reverting back to is accurate. You have done that several times now and not even realized it. How bout if you are going to keep stats listed strictly from Sherdog you check the stats I have edited and you will see they match up. You are not the end all be all authority on MMA so quit acting like it. Hunterb212 (talk) 00:20, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You can still see metric measurements the way I edit it. You are just nitpicking at me because you obviously think you are the all knowing authority on MMA here and you are not. I've been watching MMA since it's inception and probably know more about it than you do. Hunterb212 (talk) 00:22, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hunterb212, we're at the final stage of Height and (to a degree) Sherdog's reliability discussions in Talk:Conor_McGregor where you have participated. Would you please provide your answer if you have a problem or not with the Wikipedia administrator's final proposal for what Conor McGregor's height should be? It's at the end of the talk page. Thanks in advance.Lordpermaximum (talk) 14:21, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again Hunterb212, as you know we've reached a consensus in the Talk:Conor_McGregor page. There's now a discussion going on in Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard to consider sherdog.com unreliable as an expansion of our previous consensus. I would like to hear your opinion. Thanks in advance.Lordpermaximum (talk) 10:50, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hunterb212, I also requested for comment on the reliability of sherdog.com in the RSN. If you share a response on that, I would be really glad. Thanks again. Best, Lordpermaximum (talk) 23:41, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

sorry been at work today but I will look into that but it also seems we have an editor who is continually trying to revert the McGregor edit now even though consensus was reached by multiple editors. I reverted it back already but apparently he wants to edit war over it so we might need to report him to an administrator. Hunterb212 (talk) 01:18, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hunterb212, No worries. The RfC in RSN is going on and there have been many votes. I would like your opinion there. Thank you again. Best wishes, Lordpermaximum (talk) 19:21, 14 October 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the page Bob Sapp has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. The summaries are helpful to people browsing an article's history, so it is important that you use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did. Feel free to use the sandbox to make test edits. Thank you. UW Dawgs (talk) 06:08, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing inaccurate or inappropriate about the edit on Bob Sapp's page. The agreed upon source for info is cited at the bottom of the infobox which was Sherdog. If you haven't noticed most MMA fighter's pages do not list a citation besides height and weight. Hunterb212 (talk) 15:30, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Ferguson

Hello , I am coming here to you and want you to help me from having users like Cassiopeia and nedochan from ruining wiki pages with vandalism . Please take a look at Tony Ferguson’s height which is listed in the ufc at 5’11 but for some reason his wiki page says 6’0 . Basically the same issue with the mcgregor page a few days ago . They use Sherdog as a reliable source . Do something about it like you did with the mcgregor page and let’s stop them from reverting such accurate edits . Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiman122112 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly I find Sherdog to be pretty reliable for the most part but yes there are some errors such as the McGregor page and possibly the Ferguson and Henderson pages. I already made my suggestion that for current fighters I believe using ESPN stats would be more accurate and make more sense. However I'm not gonna sit here and edit war with these people who have been on this site for 10-15 years and have 50,000 edits to their name because I know they will probably band together and get me blocked. For whatever reason there is a group of veteran editors who want Sherdog to be the sole source of MMA info on Wikipedia and I really don't have the seniority here yet to fight against their consensus. I do believe Sherdog is not a bad source but I just don't think it should be the only acceptable source. I just don't feel like putting the time and energy into going to war over it and I don't want my account blocked over it and these long time editors have a lot more pull around here than I do. Hunterb212 (talk) 15:46, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I have already proven that they can't override Wikepedia Policies or common sense. But this is just the beginning.Lordpermaximum (talk) 16:23, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I agree with a lot of what you guys are saying it's just I don't want to edit war with them over it. The hypocrisy of Cassiopeia is the one that really irks me the most. She claims Sherdog is partners with ESPN which makes them reliable. Then when I try to edit a fighters stats and cite ESPN ad the source, she reverts it back to Sherdog. So if she considers ESPN reliable why does she revert edits which cite them as a source? To me it's all a bunch of nonsense and frankly I'm trying not to get caught up in it all so much because now we have admins getting involved and making threats and it's all getting pretty messy. But I agree totally with you guys that Sherdog should not be the lone accepted source for MMA pages on Wikipedia, to me that doesn't make any sense. Hunterb212 (talk) 16:41, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Then let your voice be heard at WP:RSN#Responses_(Sherdog.com). I think there's an option for your thoughts such as "reliable in the absense of generally reliable sources" which seems to suit your opinions or another option if you like. Whatever option you choose, let your voice be heard there. No one will hear you here.Lordpermaximum (talk) 17:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will look it over, the thing is the editors here who have been controlling every little aspect now think that any newer editors who show up don't know what they're talking about. When in reality I'm probably older and more knowledgeable on MMA than 90% of them. I've been an avid fan since UFC 1 so I have pretty extensive knowledge on the subject but they don't want to listen because they're so used to people coming on here just to vandalize. That's not the case at all with me but from my interactions so far that seems to be what they automatically assume even when you cite an official and reliable source such as ESPN. Hunterb212 (talk) 18:22, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Their reasoning according to them is ESPN is not an independent source because it's partnered with the UFC which is wrong. Fighters don't work for ESPN. They work for the UFC. But as you said before, they use the ESPN deal which was made 13.5 years ago as an argument to support sherdog.com's reliability. Two-faced liars. It's just comical.Lordpermaximum (talk) 22:43, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But I really need your vote no matter what it is at WP:RSN#Responses_(Sherdog.com) if we are to stop them from using sherdog.com as the sole source.Lordpermaximum (talk) 22:44, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Please make your case over on the active WT:NFL discussion and let's get a consensus first instead of you going around and changing more measurements. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 05:19, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've made my case already and you're the one edit warring over it. There is no consensus in your favor either nor is there a Wikiproject page backing up your claims that team websites are considered a more reliable source. Nor have you provided any proof that the team sites are more up to date. This just seems to be a personal preference with you and you're trying to enforce that by repeating yourself without backing up your arguments or showing any proof of your claims. Hunterb212 (talk) 05:27, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like NFL.com finally updated with the team measurements. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 05:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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It's not vandalism if the position transitions for the defensive schemes will be correct. A 4-3 defense isn't the same as a 3-4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.234.69.28 (talk) 06:52, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is however disruptive editing and changing information without a source. You need to provide a source to change a player's position instead of just assuming. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit for Gunther.

Hello there. Your edit of Gunther (wrestler) was undone due to an error. Although that the official WWE site states weight, this is outdated and has been confirmed, especially in my source video, to be as stated. To be fair, I can completely understand your decision to reverse the edit, but it is unjust. Thank you.

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That edit is a mess and is not properly formatted for one thing. And we don't generally use YouTube videos as a reliable source, the default source for WWE wrestlers is the official WWE website. Their info has him listed at 297 lbs. Hunterb212 (talk) 16:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Drew McIntyre Weight Source

I gave you a good source in a interview of drew saying he's 275 lbs and you still changed it. Rawrman7575 (talk) 01:17, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't provide any source and you removed his height for some reason. Your edits are unsourced and WWE.com says his weight is 265 lbs so that's what we should be using. Hunterb212 (talk) 01:24, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I used a link. WWE.com isn't really updated with weight as the announcements are more updated. Rawrman7575 (talk) 01:29, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Where at? There was no link in your edit. And WWE.com is the official source so we use that by default. If you can provide a reliable source for your edit feel free otherwise there's no reason to change it. Hunterb212 (talk) 01:32, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable? It was an article of drew himself saying he's 275. Are you saying the man himself isn't a reliable source? 😂 Rawrman7575 (talk) 01:33, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you even watch the shows? Some of the wreslters weights are different on the announcer than the website. I'm sure the announcers get told to announce accurate information while the website isn't as updated Rawrman7575 (talk) 01:32, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't matter we go by what the source says and you aren't providing a reliable source to change it. Hunterb212 (talk) 01:33, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

lmao homie saying the man himself that the article is about isn't a reliable source. you seem fun at parties Rawrman7575 (talk) 01:45, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No what I'm saying is we go by the what the source states, you didn't provide a reliable source in your edit. You listed a link in the edit summary but didn't update the source in the article and removed reliably sourced content for no reason. Hunterb212 (talk) 02:10, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yo, Hunter, in that video link, Haku NEVER stated that all the stories made about him are true. You keep removing my edits though what I said was true, I've been blocked several times, ain't mean that I won't clean up the lies on several wiki pages, especially the kayfabe infused silly stories of Tonga Fifita. TheBrutalfanatic (talk) 18:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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