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Another Map Question

I am very impressed with the map you have done (of Australia with canberra located- Image:Canberra locator-MJC05.png) is there any chance that you would be able to supply me with a "blank one" (just Australia) or one with Adelaide noted?

Cheers - G 05:25, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for putting it up there, cheers! - G 04:02, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for getting those done Martyman. I forgot to ask you to do them. I'll roll the template out to the other cities shortly.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 09:20, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Map

And chance of could coax you out of hiding with a map request? I need a version of this Image:Clim map kpngrp.jpg thats compatible with the GFDL for Australia and Geography of Australia, I'll chase up other map makers if you don't have the time. Thanks --nixie 02:04, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I noticed your articles on ACT suburbs, I started a short one on my suburb Downer, Australian_Capital_Territory and also put in one on Mount Majura and my old school Daramalan Cfitzart 00:35, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

G'day Martyman. I have a favour to request: the Waramanga page I started could do with one of your fabo maps. Any chance of twisting yer arm? Gimboid13 10:34, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy. Could you please knock up a map for the Canberra suburb of Macquarie. Garglebutt / (talk) 02:16, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Canberra Suburbs

Hi Martyman, I've updated the progress statistics on the Canberra wiki project page. I note that you have been doing this in the past. it appears that you have been giving full percentage value to a completed article and only half to an incomplete one, so that is the formula I have used. if there is something else you take into account then pls let me know. Cheers Adz 00:16, 22 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for the climate map, it's great. Could I also bother you for a map to replace the one in the Canberra infobox - the one that is currently there doesn't do a very good job, the colours are all wrong, it'll be used in infoboxes for all Australia capitals. The Canberra wikiproject seems to be pretty active at the moment. Good to see you back. --nixie 11:34, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This colour scheme works pretty well Image:Gauteng Municipality Map.jpg, even have the state borders and the outline the same colour would probably make things easier to see. A neat addition for the Canberra article would be a map like this one Image:Johannesburg region map with names.jpg showing the districts relative to each other.--nixie 00:57, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the Waramanga map Martyman. --Gimboid13 22:39, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

List of Suburbs of Canberra

Hi Martyman, There's a proposal on Talk:List_of_suburbs_of_Canberra to roll the group centres into the suburbs they are located within. I thought you might be interested as you have had a bit to do with that page in the past. I don't have strong feelings on whether they're listed separately or together but have put my thoughts up for what its worth. Adz 10:56, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Red Hill Map

Apologies for using the wrong tag. The tag has now been corrected. I had all along acknowledged where I got the map from, but the GFDL is not a license I use myself. --AYArktos 06:51, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Locator maps

Hi, the locator map looks great, I also like Image:Canberra locator-MJC05.png. The green version (white background) is nice too, but the yellow and red combination is probably best for colour blind people.Having a good loator map should be a big boost for the Australian geography articles.

Canberra is currently on peer review, and I'll probably put it up as a FAC when I get a better picture illustrating public transport in Canberra.

I had another request (I should probably invite you over to RSBS for an illustror tutorial so I can make these myself) for a copy of the map from Geoscience Australia showing the average ages of the rocks in Australia from this page [1], for this article that I'm currently putting together Natual History of Australia, the article needs alot of work before I put it in the main namespace so there's no hurry. Thanks again --nixie 02:59, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the map, it looks great. My understanding of the copyright issue in this case is that the basic data is not copyrightable, but a figure produced by an organisation or published in a journal would be copyrighted by the original publisher/author since it would have required creative input and so on to create a figure from the raw data. So I think the only thing that Geoscience Australian, or the Bureau of Meterology could claim an infringement on would be the colour scheme. So you could recolour the maps just to be on the safe side. The complexity of the map could also be increased by adding features from the first map from, Meyers, J.S. 1996. Tectonic evolution of Proterozoic Australia. Tectonics 15:1431-1446, the oultines of the Pilbara, Yilgarn and Gawler cratons would be particularly relvant as the sites of the oldest crust --nixie 04:43, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's teriffic. Do you want me to delete to old version?--nixie 05:55, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I can delete the old revisions, since I'm an admin; but it's probably not necessary.--nixie 06:10, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

ANU Institutes

You asked: Are you sure the Institute of Advanced Studies is commonly refered to as "the Institute"? My husband, uncle, neighbour all work at the ANU. My father has only recently retired. They are more likely in the course of the conversation to be talking about their school - eg my uncle will talk about his school (which is earth sciences) rather than the Institute. But still I never hear them talk in acronyms for IAS- perhaps it is a generational thing, though thinking about it they will commonly (almost invariably) refer to the Reserach School of Pacific Studies as RSPAS. I note the relevant page ANU: About the Institute of Advanced Studies has a bet each way. It gives the acronym in the first sentence of the third paragraph of the profile but then in the last sentence of the same paragraph uses The Institute to refer to itself. Next section uses the acronym ... I think a reference of The Institute is better than the acronym which can of course refer to many things with the same initials, though not necessarily in the context of the ANU article. Because it is a common acronym better not to use it unless it has become a name to replace others such as Qantas or perhaps even our local AIS (the Institute of Sport).Regards--AYArktos 23:52, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Monocrete construction

Thanks. I've linked it. The Govie housing article could do with a bit of work as I think it gives the impression that they were all the same, whereas the designs changed with time, but if I link it other artices, it might encourage others to edit it. I think I'll write it into the History of Canberra artice, and individual suburbs that have a lot of govie housing. Adz 05:33, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User Categorization

You were listed on the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Australia page as living in or being associated with the Australian Capital Territories. As part of the Wikipedia:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in ACT for instructions. Rmky87 22:07, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Brumby

The Australian Brumby article was the copyvio, I just pasted the first sentence into google and the second hit was identical- same paragraphing, headings - everything. Copyvios are usually pretty easy to spot since the language is generally good and the tone is slightly promotional. --nixie 04:04, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Locator maps

Hi, I seems we've been working on locator maps independently, hopefully we're not inventing the wheel twice. I've been working on a replacement for the not-so-easy-on-the-eyes green locator maps that were created a couple of years ago (found here), mainly for use on stuff like national parks articles. I created a blank Canberra locator map (Image:Canberra blank locator map.png) probably based on the same source as the ones you've made (good job on removing the rings if that's the case), I think I'll get rid of the lake. I am currently working on an entire map of Australia that can be chopped up and used as state locator maps (a more difficult task than one would think, especially if areas have to be filled in from other sources). I uploaded an initial South Australia locator map which will give you an idea of what they will look like: Image:South Australia location map.png. Do you know anything about what qualifies for GDFL, I notice you draw borders/coastlines by hand. - Diceman 13:42, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell you can't move images, so I reuploaded it to the right name and deleted the old one. Thanks for your work on the locator maps, they look great and communicate what they should, I think the whole map has distinct advantages, especially when you consider an international audience that probably donsn't know what the states of Australian look like. --nixie 22:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Canberra stub templates

Hi Martyman - thought you'd like to know that the new Canberra stub templates are all go - {{Canberra-stub}} now leads to Category:Australian Capital Territory stubs, and {{Canberra-geo-stub}} now leads to Category:Australian Capital Territory geography stubs. A bit unorthodox with the names, but it does save a bit of typing :) Grutness...wha? 06:39, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re-uploading maps in SVG format

Since you say you created your maps in illustrator i assume that they are in vector format. If you've still got the source files, have u considered uploading them in SVG format so that they're in a vector format? You can simply save the illustrator files into SVG from the save as menu in illustrator. Swarve 11:27, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The SVG article gives a pretty decent rundown on the format. Compressed SVG AFAIK doesn't work on wikipedia, all the media i've uploaded in SVG has been in the standard non-compressed type. The output in SVG will show reference maps, source data etc. if they are shown in the original file. To put it simply, SVG files are simply and XML file with points marked in it and details on the width of lines, bézier curves and colour data. Swarve 23:45, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More on maps

Your version is better that the old one in respect to the ACT- it looked shaded in all versions. Rather than having a map with a magnified section- it should be possible to include two images in the infobox side by side showing location within Australia- and a better outline. --nixie 04:49, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I like 3,4,5 and 6. I'm not sure which would look best in combination with the whole Australia map.--nixie 10:24, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I can't work out how to get two images in the template either. There is a big map of the act already in the article so people can see what it looks like. I can think of two other options (1) have a cut out version of the existing map- with NSW, VIC, and a bit QLD and SA and Tas shown and enlarge so the ACT is more obvious and have a small whole map in the corner for reference, or (2) add the enlarged outlne of the ACT to the side of the Aus map, put circles around them and join them with a line.--nixie 04:43, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hardest Questions In The World Section:

Congratulations, you are currently coming tied 2nd on the Hardest Questions In The World Section's scoreboard with 2 correct answers. You are 1 point away from the score board's leader. Spawn Man 07:05, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dinosaur uploads

Hi, I followed up on those dinosaur pics. Copyright for them probably still resides with the photographer. I tagged all the unsourced PD images with {{nosource}} and asked the uploader for a source. If they're not sourced in 7 days then they can be deleted.--nixie 23:54, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA

Hi Martyman! Just wanted to thank you for supporting my RfA. I hope I will be able to live up to the confidence placed in me. --Cyberjunkie | Talk 04:06, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Public Domain Images

Thanks for the info on the Public Domain images. It's annoying that we will be able to supply images for 19th century South Australian premiers but not one of Don Dunstan (to use one example), but I'm not sure how we get around that. --Roisterer 03:10, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More happy mapping!

Just wondering if you might have some time to draw up a map for Waterfall Gully (in relation to the Adelaide CBD)? Appropriate reference maps are here, here, here and here. If you want to give it a go, that'd be great! User:Nichalp has already given it a go here... but even if you could just tidy up that map it would be great!

Thanks, - michaelg 03:01, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

House prices

In that case, it may be worth adding in a line or two on high house prices in general. I was making my comment on the basis of an article in the Times in the last week or two claiming that rental prices were so high that they were threatening the city's growth. Ambi 03:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Scare-mondering news articles about rent prices are not good refernces in my opinion. I have added a statistic from the ABS from the 2001 census, unless there are more recent figures somewhere I think that's the best thing to refer to for median rent prices.--nixie 03:42, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Canberra

Hi, I don't suppose you have one of those Canberra locator maps with no suburb shaded that I could add to the Canberra article in place of the large ACT map? Also, have you got any photos of the war memorial got the culture section, if not I'll have to get some on the weekend.--nixie 09:30, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the new map in Canberra, it looks great. --nixie 23:26, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Districts map and government housing

Hi Martyman. Thanks for the Canberra districts map. It looks great! I've been reluctant to ask you for one because I figure you've been busy but I think its a great addition to the Canberra suburbs article. Also, in case you haven't noticed, I've created a wikilink from the main Canberra article to the 'Government housing in Canberra' article which you've been working on. - just thought I'd let you know. Adz 23:18, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your vote, and HDI discussion underway ...

Hello! I hope you're well. I'd like to thank you for participating in the vote earlier to include the HDI in the country infobox/template. Yay!

After a lengthy gestation, a discussion piece has been prepared to help give form to the vote. If you've a preference for how and where this information should appear in the infobox, I'd appreciate it if you head on over there and comment. :)

After a decision is arrived at, if at all, I'm also hopeful to prevail upon you to add the values (if you're willing and comfortable) for a handful of countries; the more people doing it, the less time it will take to implement the vote and realise the fruits of our collective labour.

Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks again for your co-operation! E Pluribus Anthony 04:11, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Copyrights

That's some crazy rule, anything from the Sydney Harbour foreshore for commercial purposes falls under the same restrictions. I guess the only way to comply (if you were to take it seriously) would be to release the images under a non-commercial use licence.--nixie 06:06, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am not trying to make things complicated. I am just trying to get to the bottom of things. Xtra 13:08, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Images

ok then fair enough I wont downsize them. Astrokey44 00:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Adelaide LGA's

Just wondering if you might be able to make a more stylised map of the Adelaide local government areas than the one I've drawn up [2], using it as a reference? Be great if you can, Cheers, - >>michaelg | talk 11:06, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's a brilliant map, cheers! Yeah, if you don't mind - different maps each with a different area highlighted would be great... I'm about to start really getting into the Adelaide suburbs and council articles, so these should be a big help. Cheers, - >>michaelg | talk 12:17, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Get some sleep! Thanks for the doing it, and I've noticed your (well, it more or less is) Yarralumla article - best of luck getting it featured! It should definetely make it. Cheers, - >>michaelg | talk 12:28, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

They will definetely be used in infoboxes! I'm not sure which one or type to use yet (if there's a canberra one im sure itll be great) probably one to suit an infobox similar to the one in this article (Municipality of Strathfield) Cheers, - >>michaelg | talk 09:36, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely perfect. That's pretty much exactly how I would want it! Cheers, - >>michaelg | talk 10:00, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yarralumla places

I think that's looking quite good, actually. There's a few too many pictures though; even as seperate sections, there's too many pictures in too small a space. Ambi 10:06, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not much of a fan of the table; it's not needed with the larger list, and the topic would be much better covered by a paragraph or two discussing the embassies. Ambi 12:44, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How do you make maps?

Hi Marty, I've always wondered how you make maps. What software do you use etc? Is there any way that the rest of us can make maps too, or you do need special software and special skills? Adz 12:15, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'll look into it. I've often felt bad that you seem to be the one lummped with all the map making jobs and have always been reluctant to ask you to make any. I hope inkscape works out for me. - You've been doing some good work on Yarralumla! Hopefully it'll be succesful in FA this time! Adz 12:42, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Canberra wikiproject FAC

Are you going to pick an article to work up to featured since Yarralumla is approaching done? On embassies, this page seems to have some interesting info. I'm taking a break on natural history since it requires too much cross checking and brain power to make it comprehensible for the generic reader, but I'll probably return to it before the year is done.--nixie 10:09, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. There are a couple of things on the ACT heritage register for Yarralumla that you might want to mention in the article. Do you think we should make Hisotry of the ACT the next Canberra Wikiproject focus article?--nixie 11:37, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the name is OK, take a look at History of Alaska which does a good job of discussing much more that the history of the political entity. In my experience starting a collabotarion from scratch is hard (unless one person does all the work), people seem to work better when there is some structure to work within and they can contribute bits and pieces, help with copyediting and illustration and so on. The bushfire article would be another good one to polish up for FAC.--nixie 11:56, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - I've been avoiding listing the screenshots he keeps uploading for deletion, and I agree they can't stay in the article. There are a couple of people at work who lost houses in Duffy that might have photos of the carnage, even without additional images I think Pauls photo + a map of the affected areas + report cover which has a vaild fair use claim would probably do. There aren't really enough of us, thats why it is probably better to just pick something of general interest, notify everybody and hope it gets worked on, that to have some sort of elaborate collaboration with voting.--nixie 12:19, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The army has a gallery of just about free images of the fire [3]. Now before you go, you should be dictatorial and pick an article for working up to FAC- I did it unintnetionally last time.--nixie 12:53, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I assume their covered by the copyright info on the defence main page. Have a good trip.--nixie 13:09, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

map

Hi, yes I understand the whole concept of images saved as shapes/equations not as pixels.. I dont think I can make them with Corel Painter IX which is what ive been using. Thinking of maybe getting photoshop though those other programs you mention sounded interesting. The formats which I can save files as are: RIF, TIF, PCT, PSD, BMP, PCX, TGA, GIF, JPG and EPS, not sure if any of those would be better. I really like your new district map btw Astrokey44 12:41, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I dont believe it! My crappy free windows paintbrush can save to png, but the expensive corel painter program cant. Thanks for the advice about filetypes, I might get illustrator later when I can Astrokey44 04:07, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Red Hill question

You asked "Hi, what was your copyright justification for your additions to the Red Hill article on 13:17, 10 August 2005 from the pedal power site? --Martyman-(talk) 11:24, 5 November 2005 (UTC)"

I fully attributed my source in my edit comment which read "add info from http://www.pedalpower.org.au/services/rides_library/act/rides/features.asp#red_hill which in turn was derived from Canberra Nature Park info"

so we are clear about what we are talking about you may care to look at the diff.

What was added was "facts" which are available from a number of sources and which pedal power itself did not originally source. The amount taken from the pedal power site was only a proportion and not the complete work. As such I think within the terms of use allowed in Australia and also as per the copyright FAQ. Do you have a different view?--A Y Arktos (Talk) 19:20, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

SVG locator map for protected area infobox

A new infobox has been made for protected areas which makes use of SVG maps (see Template talk:Infobox protected area), this map on the left has been provided by a US wikipedian, but the lakes seem suspect (eg. no salt pans). Seeing as you're already up to speed in SVG mapmaking I thought I'd run it by you in case you could make any improvements. - Diceman 12:49, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Taking out the lakes would be the easiest thing to do, I note the US map doesn't include minor lakes. - Diceman 12:55, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yarralumla

The copyedit fixed a lot of issues - thanks for that. I've made a few other comments, though; please excuse the pedantry. Ambi 13:05, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

18 and 19- they're so easy to mix up. That section needs to be reworked so that each settlement, Tharwa, Namadgi, Tuggernong etc has its own chronological paragraph- it's a mess as is. I'm panning to give Yarralumla a copyedit after I get some lab stuff set up.--nixie 22:14, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I see you've started to go though my changes. I think I may have got some of the notes out of order- the article is heavily noted, I only use notes for controvertial points, stats that are likely to change, or quotes and keep a separate list of general refs. I suggested that the forestry and brickworks stuff be moved to the history because they're notable in a historic sense, but not in the practical- "I'm going to have a picnic at the brickworks" kind of way - it would also address Ambi's objection to the repetitive mention of these items.--nixie 01:50, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I added the Canberra median house price to the Canberra article some time last week- its 310,000, the reference is listed in that article. I'm not saying that they aren't notable - but that their notability is demonstrated in their inclusion in the hisotry section - so they rest of the info about them should probably be there too.--nixie 02:13, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's right- it was 310 for brisbane.--nixie 02:50, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The history section is substantial now- how'd you feel about breaking it up slightly with L3 headings, like settlement and development?--nixie 04:38, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It'd probably need more than two.--nixie 05:42, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a go at hacking up this version of the history User:Martyman/Sandbox3.--nixie 01:00, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The brickworks, for one. Moving Weston Park probably wasn't a bad idea, but I think the brickworks does deserve some mention. Ambi 02:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The problem there, I think, is that it unbalances the article - the history section is now a lot longer in proportion to the others, and I really did think that it worked much better with a paragraph about the current issues surrounding the site. Ambi 02:58, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the article flows better now and there is a better sense of narrative in the history section. The most unhelpful thing about the FAC was the vague objections. Might be a good idea to left align one of those brickworks images--nixie 02:57, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome, Martyman, and congrats to you and other contributors for a most detailed and informative read. Top stuff, cheers!--cjllw | TALK 03:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

inkscape

Is the program still in development? I went to their page and wasnt sure which thing to download. [4] I'm suprised denmark doesnt have an embassy here especially now with Mary, Crown Princess of Denmark ---- Astrokey44 05:38, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Suburbs

I think that Nichalp's objections have been dealt with, you might want to leave him a message just clarifying what has been done and what you're not going to change and why. --nixie 06:39, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just explain that it is a suburb article and that those things are relevant. I don't think that they'll hold things up, I have refused to implement some suggestions on FAC and the articles have made it though. The additions to the suburb map look fine too.--nixie 09:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fair Dinkum

Votes on AfD usually last five days so as to give everyone time to respond. That one seems fairly straightforward, though; anyone can close an AfD as a merge if there's consensus to do it, so you could - just follow the instructions on the AfD page. Ambi 09:24, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Templates

It doesn't look like there will be violent disagreement - so I think its safe to roll them out. Thanks for templatising them. I'm working on the rest of the ACT history article now.--nixie 08:29, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really bad with that 18, 19 thing. I don't suppose you have any photos of the rock paintings at Yankee Hat? If you want to arrange some nice historical images into the article that'd be neat. --nixie 10:33, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I went a bit over a month ago, it's all well signposted and there is a good brochure at the start of the trail. When we went it hailed on us, and being unprepared for the change in the weather we didn't make it to the shelter. The Shelter at Tidbinbilla might also make an ok photo for the prehistory section.--nixie 10:50, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Great. It was a good afternoon for walking.--nixie 08:19, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

2005 1119yankee0041 looks good, and a descriptive caption could be put together for it using the brochure.--nixie 23:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I read about the less-public rock paintings, apparently Yankee Hat is the best preserved. I think the photos that show less than the whole site are fine. On an unrealted tangent, I'm attempting to make a poster in inkscape so I don't have to go to the office this afternoon - do you think I will be able to open the SVG file in illustrator?--nixie 00:42, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Edit histories

I'm afraid this stuff is well over my head, so I asked around to see if anyone else was able to answer your question. I got Kim Bruning to reply at Talk:Mini, but it seems you may be out of luck. Sorry I can't be of more assistance. Ambi 23:13, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]