User talk:Mawfia

I reverted all your edits

I reverted all you edits. You can't remove content with the claim that somehow Wikipedia's content encourage discrimination. You need to gain consensus for your change. Per WP:BRD, you need to discuss your belief on the articles' talk pages. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:50, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

I apologize for editing what I now assume was your contribution. But it seems obvious to me that a reference stating "These are the ten neighborhoods in Los Angeles County with the largest percentage of black residents" is inappropriate. First question, why is this distinction made for blacks and not for Asian, white, or latino in locals where they represent the largest percentage demographic? When you visit the LA times page the same census data is available for all four groups, but why is the census data for blacks only referenced. If the plan is to update every locality in Wikipedia with this same information for the target demographic in the majority, I could see the legitimate need or purpose for highlighting this information about blacks, but I have only seen this type of reference in the articles I edited and never in articles for other locations including other states.

It is 2019, I was born and raised in America and having been in the military for over 1 decade, I have also lived in multiple countries around the world. By white Americans I am categorized as "black" and I do not think it is hard to believe that most Americans view areas with a high concentration of black Americans in a negative way or that this information will be used in a negative way. In the demographic section that is used to show the breakdown in percentage for each ethnic/racial group present in that area, what is the purpose of highlighting the top ten areas with blacks-when this is not done for other groups in the same location or for majority groups in other locations? Since this information can be found through a search engine it doesn't change facts or reality by removing the reference it instead allows readers to focus on the purpose of the section without inviting prejudices that are well known to American societies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mawfia (talk • contribs) 16:40, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

There are a couple points I'd like to address: first, none of those articles are "my contribution". I revert editors all the time for any number of reasons. I have no dog in this fight. Second, how black those neighborhoods are is an item of interest as that's their defining feature. I used to live in Baldwin Hills. I visited Eso Won books in Leimert Park. Those are some black neighborhoods. You can disagree and that's an editorial decision we can discuss on the talk pages of those articles. Finally, please don't confuse your viewpoint with evidence. You can express an opinion but you'll have to make a persuasive argument, not an argument from authority. Chris Troutman (talk) 04:01, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

@Chris troutman: I prefer to have discussions like this through verbal communication as it prevents taking words out of context. As you may already know I am not new to Wikipedia only knew to editing. I did apologize initially for the removal and I do not believe in apologizing twice because I meant it the first time and still do. With that being said, my comment on the talk section is that this is contrary to the norm for the demographic section. I could attempt to argue why it should be deleted but Wikipedia maintains a certain level of consistency in which I have yet to see this distinction made for other groups or in most other locations. Since stating the top ten areas with a high concentration of any ethnic/racial group is a departure from the norm, I feel the argument should be why this is necessary when this is usually not a distinguishable point for demographics.

You don't owe me an apology, at all. As WP:BRD describes, you made a bold edit. I have reverted you. Rather than discuss here between the two of us, please post your reasoning on the talk page of one of the articles in question. You might also post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California/Los Angeles area task force so more editors can chime in and we can determine consensus. I will abide by the consensus view. Chris Troutman (talk) 13:59, 11 February 2019 (UTC)