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October 2018

Your expertise is required

Moot

– AfD already closed by the time I got there.

Hey Mac - if you get a minute, please take a look at 2019 World Seniors Championship. It showed up in the NPP queue as a redirect that had been reverted, so I restored the redirect, and it was reverted again. I went ahead and filed an AfD for what I thought were obvious reasons, but I'm no expert on that particular topic. Thanks in advance. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 23:40, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Mary I of England

Moot

– Already closed by the time I got there.

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Please comment on Talk:Sephora

Moot

– Closed before I got to it.

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Blue Army

Moot

– I was away too long.

There is a discussion on the neutral point of view noticeboard [1] and article talk page [2] on a topic you had once contributed to.Faustian (talk) 21:34, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

@Faustian: Seems too stale to get involved in after my long wikibreak (I'm not even sure which thread at the article talk was at issue). I do care about the article and have fairly often tried to moderate there, so I'm amenable to a re-ping if attention is needed, and I'm around. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 13:35, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Involvment in Illyrian Shepherd redirect problem.

Thank you for fixing the Illyrian Shepherd redirect problem. SrpskiAnonimac caused the problem. I put a whale on his page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.205.150.243 (talk) 00:12, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I do my best! — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:54, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Help talk:IPA/Italian

Done

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Portals WikiProject update #020, 12 Oct 2018

Whew, a lot has been happening.

A bit of defending of the portals has been needed. But, most activity recently has been directed upon maintenance and development of existing portals.

The majority of portals now use the new design, about 2400 of them, leaving around 1200 portals that still employ the old style.

Newest portals

Please inspect these portals, and report problems or suggest improvements at WT:WPPORTD. Thank you.

MfDs

Since the last issue of this newsletter, Nineteen portals were nominated for deletion. All posted by the same person.

Two portals were deleted.

One resolved as "no consensus".

Sixteen resolved as "keep".

Links to the archived discussions are provided below:

Many thanks to those who participated in the discussions.

To watch for future MfD's, keep in mind that the Portals WikiProject is supported by automatic alerts. You can see them at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Article alerts: portals for deletion at MfD

Creation criteria

There was also some discussion of creation criteria for portals. The result was that one of the participants in the discussion reverted the portal guidelines to the old version, which has the minimum number of articles for a portal included in there: "about 20 articles", a guideline that was in place since 2009.

Many of the portals that existed prior to April 2018 do not have that many (being limited to however many subpages the portal creator created), and therefore, these portals need to be upgraded to the new design (which automatically provides many articles for display). Using the new design, exceeding 20 articles for display is very easy.

Linking to the new portals

Efforts have been underway to place links to new portals (all 2200 of them created since April).

Link (portal button) from corresponding category pages. Done
Link from See also section on corresponding root articles. Partially implemented
Link from bottom of corresponding templates. Partially implemented
Link for each portal on Portal:Contents/Portals. Partially implemented

Your help is needed. It is easy to access the page mentioned in #1, #2, & #3 from the portals themselves.

AWBers could do these tasks even faster (that's how the category pages were done), except #4...

Item #4 above pretty much has to be done by hand. (If you can find a way to speed that up, I would be very impressed). The links needing placement can be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet. Instructions are included there.

The conversion effort: news sections

There are still around 1200 old-style portals that have only undergone partial conversion to the new design concepts, still relying on subpages with copied/pasted excerpts that have been going stale for years, out of date (manually posted) news entries, etc.

The section currently being tackled on these is news. You can help by deleting any news section on the old-style portals that has news entries that are years old (that is the dead giveaway to a manual news section). Be sure not to delete the news sections of portals that have up-to-date news, or active maintainers. For maintainers, look at the portal's categories, and/or check the participants list at WP:WPPORT.

Eventually, conditional news sections (that appear only when news items are available for display) will be added using AWB to all portals without a news section.

News items (and even the news sections themselves) are automatically generated for portals that were created using the Basic portal start page. On those portals, there is a hidden comment at the top of the page (that you can see in the edit window), that says this:

Design development

Presently, we are in the process of implementing the new design features, creating new portals with them, and installing them in existing portals.

But, what about development of new new design features?

We have a wish department.

Post your wishes at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design#Discussions about possible cool new features, and they might come true. Many have already, and for many of those, this is where they were posted.

Cascade effect

A resource that has been elusive so far will be obtained eventually: categories. That is, the ability to pull category member links to populate a page.

Rather than populate portals directly with such links, it may be more beneficial to the encyclopedia to utilize them in navigation footers, because portals already have the ability to generate themselves based on those.

So, this would create a cascade effect: auto-gathering entries from categories, would enable the construction of new navigation footers, that would in turn support the development of new portals.

The cascade effect would also be felt by existing portals, as existing navigation footers could be expanded using the category harvesting methods, which would in turn expand the coverage of portals that access those navigation footers.

You can help by providing leads about any potential category harvesting methods. Please report anything you know about harvesting categories at WT:WPPORTD. Thank you.

Looking into the future: the quantum portal?

One idea that has been floating around is the concept of a pageless portal. That is, a portal that isn't stored anywhere, instead being generated when you click on a menu item or button.

Many of the new portals were generated by a single click, and then saved via a second click.

Therefore, it seems likely that the portals of the future will employ the one-click concept.

Because of the need for customization by users, this concept would need to be augmented with a way to integrate user contributions. This could be done in at least two ways: posting an existing portal, autogenerating one from scratch if such does not yet exist, or have a special data page for user contributions that is folded into the auto-generated portal.

How soon? That is up to you. All that is needed are persons to implement it.

Until next time...

Keep up the good work on portals. They are improving daily. Thank you. — The Transhumanist 09:31, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Categorization consensus?

Resolved

– (at least as to the immediate question)

I noticed that Category:Date of birth unknown and Category:Date of death unknown both state that they should be added to the talk pages of articles and you were the one who added that specification in 2015 here and here respectively, citing consensus at some prior unspecified CfD discussion. The 2007 version of you explained some context at one of the talk pages (see the talk pages of both categories), wherein this 14 February 2007 CfD discussion for the birth category was mentioned (the result was to delete the category); however, that predates your recreation of the category three months later and it did not mention anything about placement on talk pages, anyway, so I assume you meant some other CfD discussion in your 2015 edit summaries. There is also this one from 9 June 2010, which was the only one documented at the talk page (now fixed). You participated in that discussion and some mention was had about whether the categories should be placed on the talk page; however, they explained the lack of consensus for that. Needless to say, I am having difficulty making sense of all this. Since it appears you are familiar with it, I might as well ask you.

As for whether that apparent consensus is actually implicitly the case, or remains the case, I think the contents of those two categories are proof enough: they are (almost?) always placed in the article category lists themselves and not on the talk pages. This is not surprising, either, since those two categories are the odd ones out in specifying talk page placement among all the related categories. So, if this was some established consensus from a prior CfD discussion, it seems nobody is following it—at least, not anymore.

Thoughts on what to do about all this? Should the talk page placement specification be removed? If I were to ask the 2010 version of you from that second CfD discussion, it seems you would agree due to them being hidden categories now. Rather than just being bold, however, I want to check with you first since maybe you know something I do not or object to the change. —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 22:16, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Nøkkenbuer: Can't remember if I e-mailed you about this. The gist I had in mind was that if the category that was one relegated to the talk page is now a hidden category, it no longer need be relegated to the talk page. If we have any left that are relegated to talk pages they could be converted to hidden categories, and we could do away with talk-page relegation entirely. The entire notion dates to the 2000s, before we had the hidden category feature. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 14:25, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Cats in ancient Egypt

Done

Hi SmcCandlish: since you seem to be very (?) interested in natural history of cats, i would like to attract your attention to Cats in ancient Egypt. In the past couple of days, I overhauled this page substantially: checked for and removed copy-vio passages, and added ref'ed info from reliable sources. Would you have any idea who could possibly re-assess this one? You perhaps? – BhagyaMani (talk) 12:21, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Oops, sorry for the duplicate post. my 1st attempt met with an edit conflict. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 12:27, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Now that the little bit of lost info on Islam is back in, I re-assessed it as B-class. Good work! — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 14:03, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

!!! BhagyaMani (talk) 19:41, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

GA assessment

Unresolved

I see you are very busy. But when you have some time, I'd appreciate your ideas about what in your opinion would be needed for a GA review for this one in particular. Cheers from BhagyaMani (talk) 19:41, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

@BhagyaMani: I would need to re-examine the assessment criteria. Will try to have a look, but am very backlogged right now due to being away for months. PS: I've taken the liberty of refactoring this into a separate sub-thread for issue-tracking purposes. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:49, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:The Man in the High Castle (TV series)

Done

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Please comment on Talk:Tucker Carlson

Done

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies)

Done

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NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello SMcCandlish, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

Backlog

As of 21 October 2018^[update], there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.

Community Wishlist Proposal

There is currently an ongoing discussion regarding the drafting of a Community Wishlist Proposal for the purpose of requesting bug fixes and missing/useful features to be added to the New Page Feed and Curation Toolbar.
Please join the conversation as we only have until 29 October to draft this proposal!

Project updates

ORES predictions are now built-in to the feed. These automatically predict the class of an article as well as whether it may be spam, vandalism, or an attack page, and can be filtered by these criteria now allowing reviewers to better target articles that they prefer to review.
There are now tools being tested to automatically detect copyright violations in the feed. This detector may not be accurate all the time, though, so it shouldn't be relied on 100% and will only start working on new revisions to pages, not older pages in the backlog.

New scripts

User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel.js^(info) — A new script created for quickly placing {{copyvio-revdel}} on a page.

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 20:49, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Boo!

Happy Halloween!

Hello SMcCandlish:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
– North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:45, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Thank you! — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:03, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

NAVBOX

Done

A conversation is developing at Template talk:Adjacent communities#Geographic Boxes. Could you keep an eye on it. Maybe I am misunderstanding the rules on the template page regarding placement. Phatblackmama (talk) 16:56, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Leo Tolstoy

Done

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Books & Bytes, Issue 30

The Wikipedia Library

Books & Bytes
Issue 30, August – September 2018

Library Card translation
Spotlight: 1Lib1Ref spreads to the Southern Hemisphere and beyond
Wikimedia and Libraries User Group update
Global branches update
Bytes in brief

French version of Books & Bytes is now available in meta!
Read the full newsletter

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:43, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Schmerling Caves

Done

Hi SMcCandlish--how are you with caves? I saw you had an interest in at least one of them, a while ago. I just translated this from the French, and could do with some assistance, for starters with the infobox parameters, coordinates, dimensions, etc., as well as with the language of speleology. The translation is slavishly and amateurishly done from the French, and needs help as well. Whatever you can do is very welcome--thanks! Drmies (talk) 04:34, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Still trying to catch up after long ol' wikibreak but will try to take a look. It's not really my field, but I can probably do something or other with some i-box parameter, and yadda-yadda. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 14:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

@Drmies: Done! PS: I agree that was an important article to have; my main degree is in anthropology, so the site's dear to my heart, at least in a background sense. I just know jack about caves, though. I did a bunch of work the article about that giant one in Vietnam because I really wanted to go there, but at this point it verges on impossible. They only let a few groups in per year, and the waiting list is something like a decade long now. I probably should have used my Greece trip money for that instead before the site got "known". Ratfarts. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 13:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Oh, I love caves. The recent discoveries in Borneo are very exciting. And if you have another minute--a promising young editor is working on a cave, User:Fabdoull/Arago cave, borrowed from the French. He can translate French well enough, I'm sure, but again, those templates--and they'll make stuff look beautiful and professional. It's a long article and I hope he didn't bite off more than he can chew, and that he gets it on the front page before the end of the semester. So if there's a few of those small things you can do, the things that will take me hours and him days, that would be fantastic. User:Fabdoull, can you generate some more text? There's nothing on TV anyway tonight, AND YOU DON'T HAVE CLASS ON FRIDAY! Haha, Drmies (talk) 15:07, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Happy to help, as long as I have some data to plug into the right complicated template slots. The templates on the French and English sites don't have entirely corresponding parameters, unfortunately, so some bits in the fr version end up needing to be moved into the body in the en version (then again, the latter has some stuff the former doesn't, too). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 15:20, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #021, 24 Oct 2018

Portals have passed the 4,000 mark.

More new portals...

Here's a list of portals created since the last issue

List of new portals

Please inspect these portals, report problems or suggest improvements at WT:WPPORTD, or develop them further (see below). Thank you.

What's next?

There is still lots to do...

There are many subject gaps that need to be filled. This can be done by creating new portals, or by adding Selected article sections to existing portals. To create a new portal, simply place {{subst:Basic portal start page}} on an empty portal page, and click "Preview". If the portal is complete, click "Save". After you try it, come share your experience and excitement at WT:WPPORTD.

Each new portal is just a starting point. Each portal of the new design can be further developed by:

refining the search parameters to improve the results displayed in the Did you know and In the news sections.
adding more specific Selected articles sections, like Selected biographies.
inserting a Recognized content section.
adding more pictures to the image slideshow.
placing a panoramic picture at the top of the intro section (especially for geographic portals).

Besides the new portals, there are still about 1200 portals of the old design that need to be converted to the new design.

Many portals need to be de-orphaned, by placing links to them (in the See also section of the corresponding root articles, at the bottom of the corresponding navigation footer templates, and on the corresponding category pages).

Many of the new portals still need to be listed at Portal:Contents/Portals.

Bugs keep popping up in portals. These need to be tracked down and reported at WT:WPPORTD.

Tools are needed to make developing and maintaining portals quicker and easier.

Dreaming up new features and capabilities. Innovation needs to continue, to design the portal of tomorrow, and the portal development-maintenance-system of the future. Automation!

So, if you find yourself with a little (or a lot) of free time, pick an area (or more) above and...

...dive in! — The Transhumanist 06:30, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Australia's head of state, again

Done

Howdy. An Rfc at Monarchy of Australia has opened, concerning the topic head of state. GoodDay (talk) 20:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)