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December 2022

Feedback request: Wikipedia style and naming request for comment

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Precious anniversary

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:00, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

sir

I fevently agree with your comment on The New York Times Best Seller list.

The hyphen is especially important here due to the implication that it is "best" in the sense of being critically acclaimed, which is obviously not the rubric. I know it sounds like a dumb hill to die on, but you're fucking right. Use your wiki weight on this one, man. Hell, they aren't even internally self-consistent. My suggestion is to go compound or hyphen. Either is good. Electricmaster (talk) 22:51, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Probably a lost cause. It's not an RM I would start up again, but I guess one that I would comment in. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:26, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Feedback request: Biographies request for comment

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TikTok

Hi SMcCandlish. In case you don't remember me, we've discussed content matters at Talk:TikTok in the past. Would you mind taking a look at Talk:TikTok#Community Guidelines and Transparency Center? For context, there has been feedback from two editors, including constructive comments from Sdkb, but neither editor has continued the discussion beyond their initial comments. It would be great if you could help bring the discussion to a sensible conclusion and then edit the article accordingly. Thanks a lot! Bkenny44 (talk) 20:57, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't think this will be a quick fix. Both sides have good points, more discussion should probably happen, and there's a lot of a proposed editing, including merger of material out of this article into at least two other articles. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 06:37, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for getting involved. I agree that more discussion should happen, but I'm concerned that for lack of the broad discussion that we want ideally, we will sacrifice even the changes that we all already (mostly) agree on. I will add that the only reason I even raised the idea of merging material out of the article is that an editor protested that the article is too long. I didn't mean to inflate the discussion to the point that editors are deterred from taking action on my original proposal, which I tried to keep modest in scope.

In any case, can you please implement a version of my original proposed content that you think will reasonably satisfy all parties? I don't mind if the material is "considerably compressed," as you suggested. Best, Bkenny44 (talk) 18:18, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Template transclusions

Hello SMcCandlish. I have a question. MOS:NOSECTIONLINKS states, "For technical reasons, section headings should: Not contain template transclusions." I was working on the page Wikipedia:Local Embassy and noticed that section headings there contain templates, but I am not sure if they are template transclusions or if otherwise such use doesn't cause problems. I was also wondering what does said guidance mean with "template transclusions". If you have the time or interest to check on this it would be great. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 20:55, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, the reason for not using transclusions in section headings is because it interferes with section linking. This is probably much more important on article pages than Wikipedia project pages. But for these foreign language names, I would substitute those template calls or just copy the rendered page and paste the raw text. Van Isaac, GHTV^cont_WpWS 21:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
I agree with Vanisaac. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

WT:MOSCAPS error

FYI, your edit was incorrect (or at least premature) for Bee's Knees and Hanky-Panky cocktail. Those RM discussions are still open. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:28, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Derp. Must have needed a lot more coffee. Thanks for fixing it. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:28, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Asking your opinion...

Hello. We crossed paths awhile ago. Wondering if you might look at the conversation on the talk page for Highland Park, Los Angeles here [1]. The info box previously showed official city signage installed by the Department of Transportation [2]. The signs also appear in Wilshire Vista, Los Angeles, Mid-City Heights, Los Angeles, Magnolia Square, Los Angeles among others. For me, this is a unique feature that other cities don't have and using them in this fashion visually unites all the Los Angeles neighborhoods. These neighborhood signs have also appeared in news articles to explain a neighborhoods official designation [3] That said... usage of these signs is only my opinion. Wondering what you think? Am I completely out of bounds with this one? Thanks for any consideration you might give. Yours, Phatblackmama (talk) 01:23, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

I tend to concur with the majority in how that discussion is going. Alleged meaningfulness of the signs to local residents has nothing to do with encyclopedic usefulness to a general audience, and showing a picture of a sign that just repeats the name of the article isn't useful as the infobox picture. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 04:05, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Feedback request: History and geography request for comment

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– I don't have the subject-specific knowledge to contribute meaningfully to that discussion

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December greetings

Latest pics, with an opera discovery and some snow. Today my talk has a DYK that was planned for 22 November, among the recent deaths the author of Duck, Death and the Tulip, and now a choir pic of "our" concert last Sunday, likely to become next year's lead image. Enjoy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Today, pictured, the soprano of our choral concert of the year. More in the context: User talk:Gerda Arendt#DYK for Talia Or, in case of interest. - Enjoy the season! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:53, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Did you know that Josephine Butler is on the Main page? Thank you for what you said in the discussion there, still true six years later. - If you like keep watching for 2023, with best wishes! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:27, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Feedback request: History and geography request for comment

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Nomination for merger of Template:Bcdb

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Template:Bcdb has been nominated for merging with Template:BCDB title. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 20:33, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!
Have a great Christmas, and may 2023 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls, vandals or visits from Krampus! Cheers SchroCat (talk) 11:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

I wish you and your loved ones a Merry Christmas and a prosperous new Year. Best regards RV (talk) 10:02, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Feedback request: Biographies request for comment

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Seasons Greetings

Whatever you celebrate at this time of year, whether it's Christmas or some other festival, I hope you and those close to you have a happy, restful time! Have fun, Donner60 (talk) 00:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)}}

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Collapsible table guidance at MOS

Hi- First, I have to confess that this is the first time in years of crossing paths that I realized there was an "l" in your name! Anyway, I was led to MOS:DONTHIDE by an edit summary the other day, and was surprised to see the (bolded) guidance Collapsible templates should not conceal article content by default upon page loading. I poked around a bit looking for an underlying discussion, but didn't find one. I noticed that you worked on that section. Do you know if there was any discussion on at some point that culminated in deciding that no table should be collapsed by default? This all comes out of my dislike for certain stats tables that I find unnecessary and unsightly, especially in a short article. For example, some editors seem to be compelled to add large, garish climate data tables to the articles for every hamlet on the planet. In many cases these tables dwarf the rest of the article's content. Examples: climate table, population table. Here are a couple related discussions, in case you're terribly bored and looking for some light reading:

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Weather/Archive_1#Climate_sections_in_articles_on_individual_towns
Template_talk:Weather_box#Can_we_please,_please,_add_width=auto_by_default (this discussion flows into the next one on that talkpage)

Thanks in advance for any info/insight. Eric ^talk 17:37, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

You'd have the search the MoS talk archives. I don't keep a running log of old discussions. The short version is that collapsed tables can't be uncollapsed in various configurations. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 19:38, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for replying. I did search those archives the other day, but I didn't turn up anything. I might just err on the side of deleting the table templates in some cases. Eric ^talk 20:51, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

FWIW, I don't think climate tables belong in articles on individual towns. That's more of a regional matter. Maybe major cities that effectively are regions, like Los Angeles, London, NYC, etc. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:30, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

PS: Prior MoS discussions are more likely in archives of WT:MOSACCESS, since it's an accessibility matter. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:32, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh, boy, I get a lot of hits when I search that archive for "collapsible". I can see now that the issue has been discussed a good bit over time, especially concerning the evolution of how different readers handle the code. I agree with you re climate tables in town articles; I offered a similar observation in at least one discussion. But I think that people who have spent (wasted?) a lot of time populating and updating those static tables have trouble making an objective re-assessment of their utility. Eric ^talk 21:52, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Feedback request: Society, sports, and culture request for comment

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Feedback request: Religion and philosophy request for comment

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