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Manuals of style

Hi. Although I acknowledge the good-faith edits, can you tell me why you deleted all {{'}} templates (via MOS:APOSTROPHE), –, — and {{spaced ndash}} in Dolores O'Riordan's article? In addition, we reproduce the quotations as they appear in the source, per MOS:PMC, including the en dash. Oroborvs (talk) 17:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the {{'}}—I’m assuming you mean the ones on the Billboard's? I deleted them because are not needed since the italicising apostrophes can go within the brackets (rather than on the sides where it can get muddled with the possessive apostrophe), thereby obviating the need for the apostrophe template. Not sure why the curiosity about this because I thought how I did it was fairly obvious. Also, having – & — codes aren’t necessary if the actual characters they represent (– and —, respectively) are present. Again, this is obvious. The Mighty Forest (talk) 17:53, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer what I wrote myself, which is more readable: Billboard's, rather than what you do: Billboard's. Either way, I will add {{'}} to the article again. If users prefer to write en dash and em dash manually, for reasons of habit and choice, I don't see where the problem is. Stop putting em dash (—) into quotations that do not have any in the sources. Thanks. Oroborvs (talk) 19:35, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The link you provided (MOS:PMC) refers to wording only; that has nothing to do with punctuation marks (such as em dashes and em dashes), which don’t change the meaning or intent of the quote/comment. Preserving typographical styles employed by outside publications isn’t recommended. According to the guidelines (see MOS:CONFORM), it says:

A quotation is not a facsimile and, in most cases, it is not a requirement that the original formatting be preserved. Formatting and other purely typographical elements of quoted text should be adapted to English Wikipedia's conventions without comment provided that doing so will not change or obscure meaning or intent of the text. These are alterations which make no difference when the text is read aloud, for example:

Normalize dashes and hyphens: see § Dashes. Use the style chosen for the article: unspaced em dash or spaced en dash. The Mighty Forest (talk) 11:43, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirects

Please do not alter direct links to be links to redirects, as you did on Starship Troopers. For multiple links you removed the correct WP:pipelink and replaced it solely with a link that causes a redirect back to the original link. For instance you altered the link of fascist to just link to Fascist which is a redirect back to Fascism. These are not link corrections. I note you've been doing the exact same thing on multiple articles, altering direct pipelinks to be links instead to redirects, such as on Birdboy: The Forgotten Children and others. Additionally, please do not alter the variety of English that an article has been written in, per WP:ENGVAR and also be aware of WP:OVERLINK where we do not link to common English terms such as star, sun, grass etc. Canterbury Tail talk 12:56, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

regarding your quote:

”For instance you altered the link of [[Fascism|fascist]] to just link to [[Fascist]] which is a redirect back to [[Fascism]]. These are not link corrections.”

Yes, they are. I quote from WP:NOTBROKEN:

It is almost never helpful to replace [[redirect]] with [[target|redirect]].

So, in the case of [[facism|facist]] (which the rules above state is not a helpful link, as opposed to [[facist]]), you are telling me I’m incorrect removing the target link. Based on your suggestion, which clearly conflicts with what it says in the manual of style, my conclusion is you clearly lack an understanding of the rules. I suggest you familiarise yourself with the rules on redirecting (I’ve helpfully provided a link above), and then come back to me and apologise for your suggestions, which I will disregard.

The Mighty Forest (talk) 16:58, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:DONOTFIXIT

Do not change things like Pope [[Pope Gregory VII|Gregory VII]] to [[Pope Gregory VII]], because it changes the appearance of the page. Why should "Pope" be in blue when "King" and "Count" and "Bishop" and many other titles on the same page are not when they are used in the same way, i.e. King [[Henry III of England|Henry III]]? Srnec (talk) 14:28, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please quote the specific section of WP:DONOTFIXIT that states, for example, the title of the Pope, the very thing that’s actually part of the article title, cannot be included in the link.

And also, here’s the thing: You say “why should it be in blue?”, yet the actual Wikipedia page includes Gregory VII’s occupation title. (Curiously, I will concede, [[Henry III of England]] does not include King.) I appreciate you want consistency, but Wikipedia is itself inconsistent, as I’ve just shown. Here’s the thing: if you want to go ahead and change it for whatever reason, go ahead and change it but please don’t message me again with a link to an editing guideline which doesn’t even back up what you’re saying. I’m familiar with the rules. Thank you and goodbye.

The Mighty Forest (talk) 22:30, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The titles of articles are not any indication of what should appear in prose or what should appear in blue. You changed: Pope [[Gregory IX]] to [[Pope Gregory IX]] which is clearly against the guideline that "there is usually nothing wrong with linking to redirects to articles". Srnec (talk) 00:09, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Again with your assertions—this time about how article titles aren’t any indication of what should appear in blue. Okay. What specific editing guideline are you citing?

You are, however, correct in that it says "there is usually nothing wrong with linking to redirects to articles" but the context of that is to emphasise avoiding piped links where unnecessary, e.g. [[excommunicate]]d versus [[excommunication|excommunicated]]. In this instance, [[Pope Gregory VII]] versus [[Gregory VII]] does not have a piped link. So, therefore, this is merely an issue of style: it has nothing to do with the specific guideline you’re citing. Maybe there’s another rule, but I’m not aware of it.

You’re bugging me over a linked word which, in the grand scheme of things, does not warrant a discussion such as this. In fact, if you’ve got such a problem with it, I’ll be happy to compile a list of articles you can go around correcting, as I see a lot of ‘link vs. de-link’ inconsistencies during my browsing. I’m certainly not going to go around fixing them.

Additionally, here’s a thought: why don’t you just keep the redirect link to Gregory VII and leave the word “Pope” out seeing as how you’re so fixated on its omission—honestly, this is not an issue I will be dealing with. You edit the way you think is best, I’ll edit the way I think is best. Thank you and goodbye. The Mighty Forest (talk) 01:23, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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