User talk:TieBroune

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Requesting Unblock

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

TieBroune (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Hello! Four of the people flagged as sock puppets, myself included, would like to try to prove we're not sock puppets - which is why we were blocked (via a shared IP address). We'd like to prove this in three ways:

We are all posting our appeals to this block at the exact same time, from four different IP addresses (our respective homes). This allows a confirmation of IP addresses via checkuser.
We've each included a link to our personal LinkedIn accounts (here's mine: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-brown-162974b9/), and linked from that account back to this page. You can find that link on the top-right-hand corner of the page, by clicking on "Show More" under "Contact and Personal Info", where it's listed under "websites". Our LinkedIn accounts are much older than our Wikipedia accounts. This reveals our identifies and that we are real people - not sock puppets.
We've included a detailed explanation of our accounts and why they're editing from the same IP address and other possible concerns. This is as follows:

Why are there so many accounts with similar activity contributing from the same IP address?

The four of us (TieBroune), MushuNeak, Draketo, and Dragon-360 work together, for a company called Dragon360 (which was known as DragonSearch until about two weeks ago) in a shared office space in Kingston, NY. I have, in the past few years, become increasingly interested in learning and contributing to Wikipedia, and have been actively self-educating within Wikimedia Commons in general. In the past year and a half or so, I've also been teaching my coworkers how to do it, and my company has been encouraging us to improve our skills by adopting Wikipedia pages and editing them, as well as creating new pages, and being involved in deletion discussions. We do this both in our spare time and recreationally at work during allocated self-learning time (or "innovation time").

Are we disrupting Wikipedia?

MushuNeak, Draketo, Dragon-360, and I have been researching topics thoroughly before writing about them. I've been doing my best to provide guidance on best practices and offering advice (on Wikipedia guidelines, formatting, and neutrality) before anything was published live, and we do our best to only publish things that won't drain more experienced editors' time as we learn. To that point, if you review our edits, I'm certain you'll see that none of the edits we've provided are disrupting or damaging Wikipedia. Every edit, big and small, has been made with positive intent and good faith to build up each page, respectively, and enhance the credibility of the edited pages. We are also careful to not edit pages as a group, which would violate "meat puppet" guidelines. It's a learning process, but we've been proud of our contributions, and they seem to have been welcomed, before this block, by the community.

Are we being paid to edit?

Recently, Dragon-360 posted on his talk page his intention to try out paid edits. But please bear in mind that no paid edits have actually been done yet, and before updating the talk page, he's carefully researched many Wikipedia-based articles and essays on policies related to this. Furthermore, Dragon-360 was clear of his intention on the page and has tried to comply with full disclosure guidelines.

Are there any other concerns?

If so, we're happy to share as much information to help this as we can. Just let us know on our talk page(s), and we'll follow up.TieBroune (talk) 12:36, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

I have reviewed the contributions and found that you have engaged in coordinated, promotional edits in violation of WP:MEAT and WP:SPAM. I also find it very difficult to believe that these coordinated promotional edits, conducted by employees of a social media advertisement company, were not paid for. Huon (talk) 03:19, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

You all got together

and decided to edit from home. Sorry, but you seem to have been coordinating edits at work. Now coordinating edits from home. You need to reread WP:sock, as this is still sockpuppetry. And I infer you are all working together per WP:PAID. Sorry, nope.----Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:58, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the response, @Dlohcierekim:, and still would like to voice that any and my edits have been done in an unpaid, group-learning effort. While multiple trainings and conversations have taken place during office hours about Wikipedia best practices and editing, I’d like to assure Wikipedia administrators that my goal has been to implement thoughtful, carefully researched edits that enhance the Wikipedia community. In fact, many of the edits I and my peers have contributed have helped clean up pages filled with promotional/spammy content. At what point does “editing in good faith” come into play?

It seems that my original block was triggered tangentially, because of a false association with Justincoope. I’ve also read through the article related to sock puppetry a few times and utilized forums to learn more, but I’m still unsure how my individual edits, which have been welcomed by the community and still in good standing to this day, have violated any policy. This account is my sole personal account.

I know it's late in the game, but would it be helpful if I added the {{User shared IP address}} box to my page (hoping the penalty will be lifted)? I understand what the WP:checkuser entails, but is there a chance my account can be unblocked without the said blocked IP?

I would still very much like to continue contributing to Wikipedia, always in good and honest faith. Should my next step be to ping a checkuser directly and bring them into this discussion, or should I reach out to the Arbitration Committee?