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For all your good work

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		For your excellent work in the translation and improvement of China-related articles, I hereby award you this barnstar. Well done! Philg88 ^contact 06:55, 31 October 2024 UTC [refresh]

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Can you help verify translations of articles from Chinese

Hello White whirlwind,

Would you be able to help evaluate the accuracy of translations of Wikipedia articles from Chinese to English Wikipedia?

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This would involve evaluating a translated article on the English Wikipedia by comparing it to the original Chinese article, and marking it "Pass" or "Fail" based on whether the translation faithfully represents the original. Here's the reason for this request:

There are a number of articles on English Wikipedia that were created as machine translations from different languages including Chinese , using the Content Translation tool, sometimes by users with no knowledge of the source language. The config problem that allowed this to happen has since been fixed, but this has left us with a backlog of articles whose accuracy of translation is suspect or unknown, including some articles translated from Chinese. In many cases, other editors have come forward later to copyedit and fix any English grammar or style issues, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the translation is accurate, as factual errors from the original translation may remain. To put it another way: Good English is not the same as good translation.

If you can help out, that would be great. Here's a sample of the articles that need checking:

All you have to do, is compare the English article to the Chinese article, and mark it "Pass" or "Fail" (templates {{Pass}} and {{Fail}} may be useful). (Naturally, if you feel like fixing an inaccurate translation and then marking it "Pass", that's even better, but it isn't required.)

If you can help, please let me know. Thanks! Mathglot (talk)

Suggested improvements for Dahua Technology

Hi White whirlwind, I am working on improving and adding content to the Dahua Technology article. As you have shown interest in China-related matters and are a member of WP:China, I thought you may be interested in reviewing my latest edit request. I would appreciate if you would help implement the changes, as I am not editing directly due to my COI. Thanks, Caitlyn23 (talk) 22:09, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Erie Railroad and Butler's opinion

I understand what you are saying, but here's the problem: the Court reversed the Second Circuit. Butler's opinion ends with this paragraph;

"I am of opinion that the constitutional validity of the rule need not be considered, because under the law, as found by the courts of Pennsylvania and generally throughout the country, it is plain that the evidence required a finding that plaintiff was guilty of negligence that contributed to cause his injuries and that the judgment below should be reversed upon that ground."

So, he concurred with the result, reversing the court below. He disagreed with the grounds of reversal. That's a concurrence, not a dissent. At 304 U.S. 80 Butler's opinion is not listed as a dissent. Knockanar (talk) 17:48, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Knockanar: We're getting into some fuzzy territory about what constitutes a dissent. But we can't do WP:Original research. We are bound by what we find in the major WP:Reliable sources. Let's try checking other prominent treatises and law review articles. White Whirlwind 20:55, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; I went onto Westlaw this afternoon and checked a few, and they all call it a dissent, which I don't understand at all (I assume you are a lawyer like me, and we have both known since law school the difference between a dissent and a concurrence). I tinkered a bit with the paragraph about Butler's opinion, calling it a separate opinion that is often called a dissent ... Knockanar (talk) 21:03, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Knockanar: I understand your concern and confusion. But if the majority of the reliable sources call it a dissent, then so shall we. White Whirlwind 21:24, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

author-mask

Hi, White whirlwind. What is the problem with |author-mask= that you refer to here? Kanguole 00:14, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kanguole: It doesn't work well with the ref mouseover feature. Users just see a blank line without the context of an above entry specifying who the author is. (Edit: to be specific, I'm referring to the "Reference Previews" beta feature, which has nearly half a million users and appears headed for standard adoption.) White Whirlwind 00:45, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You mean mw:Reference Tooltips? I'm one of those half million users. I have an ingrained reaction at the sight of repeated author names, so it would be a pity to lose this feature. I've raised the issue at Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 86#Reference Tooltips and author-mask. Kanguole 19:36, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. Maybe the coders can come up with way to disable the mask parameter for the mouseovers. White Whirlwind 21:28, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Please place the citations from which you draw your information

...when you place content in articles. (I'm presuming you draw from published sources; it violates WP:OR and WP:VERIFY to draw information from memory / personal knowledge, rather than direct from digital or print sources.)

If your content is being drawn from sources already appearing, use the <ref name=XXXX/> markup to reproduce the appearing inline citation to your source, at the point where new information is being placed.

Apart from clear what-came-from-where inline citations, articles become a morass / mix of sourced and unsourced information, and it can take hours of work to parse with regard to compliance to WP:RELIABLE and WP:VERIFY. (And in the meantime, the article cannot be used by students, because of its unreliability.) Thanks. An educator. 2601:246:C700:F5:F45D:4CF5:F892:E985 (talk) 22:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@2601:246:C700:F5:F45D:4CF5:F892:E985: I'm well aware of how citations work. It would help if you mentioned what prompted your comment. To the extent you're suggesting that every sentence needs a citation, WP:VERIFY has never required that and never will. White Whirlwind 03:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are absolutely correct. If the content in question is sky-is-blue, and it is unchallenged, it can pass. But essentially no maths formulations of complex physical phenomena are sky-is-blue (likewise most purported STEM factual content), and as the Wikipedia General Disclaimer and other WP documents make clear, our veracity rests not on the expertise of its editors, but on it being tied to reliable sources (see WP:RELIABLE and WP:VERIFY). So, all factual STEM content needs to indicate the sources from which it is drawn, so that it may be verified. Likewise other non-sky-is-blue, purported factual, encyclopedic content. It simply is not sufficient, per all relevant WP policies, that "I [an individual editor] know it is right/true". Cheers. This group of educators. 73.110.70.231 (talk) 20:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request participation on Brown v. Board of Education

I would appreciate your feedback vis a vis Talk:Brown v. Board of Education#Proposed removal of claim added in 2006. Fabrickator (talk) 19:54, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Zhuangzi article

Hey! As you know I've been building upon your excellent work on Zhuangzi (book) and am doing my very best to treat it with care, but I am sensitive to the fact that it's your work, so I just wanted to check that you think my tweaks and additions are appropriate—not to make more work for you to do if you don't have the time, I just like to be communicative. :) cheers! Remsense留 11:47, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

re:template

I just saw your edit summary on Zuo Zhuan: I did fix the template by adding the ability to bracket terms, I just forgot to edit the template in place on that specific article. apologies. Remsense诉 21:52, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please use edit summaries

Hello. I have noticed that you often edit without using an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This helps your fellow editors use their time more productively, rather than spending it unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying your work. Even a short summary is better than no summary, and summaries are particularly important for large, complex, or potentially controversial edits. To help yourself remember, you may wish to check the "prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in your preferences. Thanks! Skyerise (talk) 20:21, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

confucius portrait

sorry for swapping the portrait it was pretty late and ive shouldve gone to sleep at that point idk why i did that anyway have fun and be yourself despite what the haters say. peace ―Howard • 🌽³³ 10:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]