Jump to content

Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Chip-Chip-2020 portion

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the passages about the alleged affairs with Gladkowska and Wodzinska a more neutral wording should be found, and the quote by the spokesman of the Chopin-Institute should most necessarily be added, since he is confirming that there is no written evidence for these stories. It can be found in the SRF-Article.
Another quote by Chopin could be added in a new section about the mistranslations, the longly discussed quote including the „ideal“, where he also talks about the waltz and his love for Tytus. There a citation of the guardian-article should be added, since the translator D. Frick is quoted there saying, the ideal probably is Tytus.
In the sexuality-section, the citation from Sands letter should be re-added, since it is a reliable source. More reliable than a biographer or user reflecting about what she could have ment.
I could write these suggested parts by the day after tomorrow, monday evening, latest.
And in general, I agree with the contributions by Francis Schonken and François Robere about the reliability of media-sources.
Tytus Woyciechowski


Four boarders at his parents' apartments became Chopin's intimates or lovers[1][2], to all of whom he wrote letters filled with affection[3]: Tytus Woyciechowski, Jan Nepomucen Białobłocki, Jan Matuszyński and Julian Fontana; the latter two would become part of his Paris milieu, they both lived together with him one after the other at Chaussée-d'Antin.[4]
Jan Matuszyński
Julian Fontana



Research in this area also considered views of Chopin's other social contacts. It is dubious whether Chopin's relationship with George Sand had ever been physical. In a letter she already in June 1838 points out, that and how he abstained.[7] And Sand claimed (not entirely reliably) that it ceased to be so after June 1839 until the end of their affair in 1847.[8] Sand's daughter Solange, aged 13 at the time, referred to Chopin in 1842 as "Sexless" ("Sans-sexe"), although in later years she seemed to display affection for him herself.
  1. ^ "Spätes Outing - Chopin war schwul – und niemand sollte davon erfahren". Schweizer Radio und Fernsehen (SRF) (in German). 2020-11-16. Retrieved 2020-11-18.
  2. ^ Larivière, Michel (1997). Homosexuels et bisexuels célèbres : le dictionnaire. Paris: Delétraz. pp. 99f. ISBN 2-911110-19-6. OCLC 37913335.
  3. ^ "Letters" (in Polish). 2020-11-20.
  4. ^ Walker, Alan, 1930-. Fryderyk Chopin : a life and times (First ed.). New York. pp. 296f. ISBN 978-0-374-15906-1. OCLC 1005818033.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  5. ^ Do Tytusa Woyciechowskiego w Poturzynie: (Warszawa), Sobota, podobno 4-ty (września 1830) at Fryderyk Chopin Institute website.
  6. ^ Chopin, Frédéric. Chopin's Polish letters. Frick, David A.; Narodowy Instytut Fryderyka Chopina. Warsaw. p. 175. ISBN 978-83-64823-19-0. OCLC 956448514.
  7. ^ Sydow, Bronislaw (1953). Correspondance de Frédéric Chopin - II. L‘ascension. Paris: Éditions Richard Masse. pp. 249f.
  8. ^ Zamoyski (2010) locs 2694-2707