Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Twin Peaks episodes

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The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 14:08, 4 July 2008 [1].

List of Twin Peaks episodes

A few days ago, I saw that this list of one of my favorite TV shows wasn't in very good shape. It wasn't terrible but it definitely needed some sprucing. So I got some sources and expanded the list and even included a cover and detailed synopses for each season. Looking at it now, it does seem a lot better, even if do say so myself! So review the list and tell me whether it seemed like "a damn fine cup of coffee" or not. Thanks! (SUDUSER)₈₅ 15:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quick comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)

No bold links in the opening section of the lead please.
- Done fixed (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Place citations per WP:CITE, i.e. immediately after punctuation where possible.
- Done (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
" To date, both seasons of Twin Peaks have been released on..." why To date? Won't this always be the case from now on?
- Done fixed (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why are the number of episodes (in total and each series) in bold?
- Done rmv for individual seasons, but I thought it's supposed to be there in the lead, that's the case for lists like List of Seinfeld episodes and List of The Sopranos episodes. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
" spanning two seasons of 30 episodes, until its cancellation" - no, it still spans two seasons of 30 episodes. Subsequently it was cancelled.
- Done Sentence reworked. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Last sentence of lead not cited.
- Done Fortunately I had the book Lynch on Lynch (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"1990–91" rather than "1990 – 1991", or at least axe the spaces.
- Done Spaces axed (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What makes episode world a reliable source?
- Done rmv (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Second general reference and third external link are essentially identical, probably lose the ext. link.
- Done rmv to include just one in the general refs. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 15:58, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Done all suggestions by The Rambling Man have been addressed by (SUDUSER)₈₅. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments (edit conflicted with Rambling Man above)

Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 06:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Remove links from any bold text, or remove the bold, per WP:LEAD.
- Done See The Rambling Man's comments above. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Publishers in references only need to be italicized if they are publications and follow MOS:TITLE.
- Done (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"released October 30, 2007[3]." – reference goes after all punctuation marks per WP:FOOTNOTE
- Done See The Rambling Man's comments above. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gary King (talk) 16:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Done all suggestions by Gary King have been addressed by (SUDUSER)₈₅. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Remove the bold from "of 30 episodes. " (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gary King (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Gary King (talk) 16:10, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gman124^talk

Comments

Need references for the writers and directors.
- Done (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done The episode numbering in season two don't match. --Gman124^talk 21:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done all suggestions by User:Gman124 have been addressed by (SUDUSER)₈₅. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment tv.com is not a reliable source since it is user edited. So find other reliable sources. Gman124^talk 19:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done I was able to refer the Production Documents that came with the Twin Peaks Gold Box. I don't thinks gets any more reliable than that. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 04:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

now Support --Gman124^talk 04:39, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Matthew

Done Don't split the bold text in the intro sentence. Even better though, think of a more artistic way to introduce the article, instead of a repetition of the article's title
- I think it's okay now. Take a look if you want to. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 14:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Take a look at today's main page article, Tiridates I of Armenia. It doesn't begin with "This is a comprehensive article about Tiridates I." It jumps straight in and tells the reader that he was King of Armenia in AD 53. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs •email) 15:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - I though for lists like discographies and episode lists, you were supposed to introduce it like that? (SUDUSER)₈₅ 06:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done "Subsequently it was cancelled on June 10, 1991." No need for "subsequently". Who cancelled it? The network, or the producers decided to end it?
- ABC decided to cancel the series on June 10, 1991 due to declining ratings in the second season. - I think that qualifies. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 14:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Done Reference it though Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 15:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done Use the prodcode= field in {{episode list}}, and also AltTitle= for the Pilot's alternative title.
Done Extra space at "Washington ."
Done Are the episodes half-hour or an hour long? Either way some of the summaries are a bit too short. Five lines is good, but two lines isn't.
- I have included the length in the lead, though I think that the summaries are quite okay, I mean look at other articles like List of The Unit episodes and List of Desperate Housewives episodes. What is your take on this? (SUDUSER)₈₅ 06:31, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'd prefer them to be longer. At least a sentence per "act" (by which I mean between each commercial break.

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- - - Ok I'll work on it later. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 07:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done Is the link to watch full episodes on CBS a reference? It's not much help to anyone outside the US. Stick it in the External links and say US-based IPs only.
Done What is reference 4? A book? If so the title needs itallics
Done Rationale for the boxset is wrong. It says it's a logo, but there's one specifically for DVD covers. {{Non-free video cover}}.
- That's the copyright tag sorted, but the rationale still mentions logo. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 15:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Done All fixed. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 06:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 22:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Everything suggested by Matthewedwards has been fixed by (SUDUSER)₈₅ 14:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC) on 14:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

I did a quick review. I would like to support this because the list is appropriately structured and sourced, and the article has a good lead. However, I see a need for copy-editing of the season and episode descriptions. I have fixed one sentence whose wording really bothered me and a second sentence that was awkward, but I still see other opportunities for improvement. For example, I am bothered by trite verbosity such as "...expose Twin Peaks as the disturbed, unsettling town that it is" and the numerous sentences that are strung together by "and"s and commas. Skimming the article, I also detect a few misspellings. --Orlady (talk) 00:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Malachirality appears to be inactive at the moment. So I've approached Golbez instead. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 15:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've done some of the needed copy-editing, but I continue to think that more is needed. I am not a particularly good candidate for this job because I think the writing style used in these and other episode descriptions is horrifying. Having said that, here are some examples of items that I think are particularly important to fix:

Done One piece of awkward wording that has me stymied is "Leo's battered housewife Shelly decides to get revenge." The noun "housewife" is not normally preceded by a possessive. Is Shelly the wife of Leo? In that case, perhaps she should be called "Leo's battered wife." Is it important to call her "housewife" instead of "wife"?
Done In the sentence fragment "Cooper has a vision of a mysterious giant, as he lies bleeding from a serious gunshot wound," am I correct in thinking that Cooper is the one who lies bleeding and not the mysterious giant (which is what the word order implies)?
In the sentence fragment "Josie returns from Seattle, bearing her 'cousin' Jonathan from Hong Kong in tow," is there a literal meaning to the words "bearing" and "in tow" (that is, was she carrying and/or towing him?) or are these words merely being used as idiomatic expressions meaning "with"?

--Orlady (talk) 16:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done All fixed. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 06:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Glad to see the changes. However, I am still puzzled by the wording "bearing her 'cousin' Jonathan from Hong Kong." Why is the word "bearing" used here? Was she physically carrying him, or could this word be changed to "bringing" or "accompanied by"? --Orlady (talk) 11:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changed it to "bringing." (SUDUSER)₈₅ 07:29, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I can support this now (although I would prefer to see writing that is not so larded with clichéd expressions).--Orlady (talk) 12:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright then thanks! (SUDUSER)₈₅ 14:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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