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List of World Snooker Championship winners

Featured list candidates/List of World Snooker Championship winners/archive1

Nominator(s): Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it is complete. The World Snooker Championship has run for almost 100 years, and the list is well cited and covers all the winners, locations and tournaments. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from MWright96

"and is chronologically the third of the three Triple Crown events of the season since 1977–78," - some words are missing at the end of the word highlighted in bold
- Sure. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wikilink knock-out tournament format to the appropriate article
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Think it might be appropriate to include the name of the oldest and youngest world champions and include the ages they were when they set those records
The first table is missing the scope="col" in the columns
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Every single one of the players names in the winner and runner-up columns in the champions table need to made sortable like this Joe Davis|ENG}} etc.
- Due to the way we have both links and a template, I'm planning to use data-sort-value="" instead. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I have now done this. Must admit, it was a bit odd typing Ali Carter, Peter Ebdon, Graeme Dott, Rex Williams all more times than Neil Robertson! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The multiple champions table can be made sortable and the players' names can be sorted with the template mentioned in the above point
- Done. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The key for the second table might be better off placed above not below
- Moved Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The source to verify Mark Selby's WSC victories needs replacing with a more up-to-date citation mentioning all four years he won the title
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
An extra source is needed to verify that Alex Higgins died on 24 July 2010 since the 1982 The Guardian source won't contain that fact since it was printed 28 years before the fact
- Added obit. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The first note "Due to World War II" needs an full stop to complete it
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Notes D and E are duplicates of each other and can be merged to create a single one
- Combined. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Reference 10 "Professional Snooker". Billiards and Snooker. No. January 1964. the Billiards Association and Control Council. p. 13.)" does not need the closing bracket at the end of it
- No worries. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Reference 18 "Higgins beats Trump to win title" is missing the date it was published
- Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Similiar problem with Reference 20 "Williams wins world title for third time"
- Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Same issue with Reference 21 "Then and Now: John Spencer"
- Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is all I found on a first pass MWright96 (talk) 17:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- I've covered everything for now, MWright96. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Lee Vilenski: One further point: "because of World War II or between 1958 and 1963 due to declining interest." - please clarify whom had a loss of interest in a World Snooker Championship that caused the event to not be held from 1958 to 1963 MWright96 (talk) 13:53, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Clarified Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:53, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - - @Lee Vilenski: I have just noticed each of the ten images in the champions section are lacking alt text MWright96 (talk) 06:56, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - I have added some alt Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:23, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Nice work MWright96 (talk) 06:20, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment (will come back for more later)

In the key, the two rows for knock-out tournament don't have symbols, and the colours are pretty much completely indistinguishable (at least to my ageing eyes) so there's no way to differentiate between them in the table -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:41, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I've added a more vibrant colour that I nicked from WP:COLOUR. I'm pretty bad at knowing what looks good, so hopefully this covers your fears. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments

Per MOS:AMPERSAND, the ampersands in the image captions should be replaced with the word "and"
"The most successful player at the World Snooker Championship was Joe Davis" => "The most successful player at the World Snooker Championship is Joe Davis"
World Snooker Championship wikilinked twice in very close succession under the Champions heading
There's a stray double curly bracket on one of the 1965 rows
In the Multiple Champions table, why is there "hover over" text on the country names which simply repeats the country name?
Note a is not a complete sentence so doesn't need a full stop
Think that's all I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:11, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I have covered these ChrisTheDude. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:17, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - One actually hadn't been changed, so I fixed that and am now OK to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:28, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Pass

Comments below. Aza24 (talk) 21:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Version reviewed: [2]

Formatting

You link Everton in ref 11 but not 1, would recommend both
- I've unlinked both. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You should probably run this on your list; up to you whether you want to convert ISBN 10s to 13, but at the least they should all be dashed correctly
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's a little odd to have the work for ref 2 but then the website for ref 3 when they're both news sources—presumably some link to BBC news should be included in the latter (and in ref 16)
- I've gone through and made everything consistent. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
presumably "Snooker.org" should be in a parameter that italicized it, like the other websites you've cited
- As above Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, for ref 9, you might consider physically bundling the refs, such as in Taylor Swift refs 127 and 159. This is certainly optional though
- I could, but we use some of the refs in other places, I'd rather do this, than duplicate a ref Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Guinness Superlatives vs Guinness Superlatives Ltd
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
formatting for refs 7 and 15 is different even though they are the same site
- They are the same site - now. But not when they were accessed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reliability

Seems fine in general. Sources that might not be considered the highest quality are citing only statistical information.

Verifiability

checked a few, no issues. Aza24 (talk) 21:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Aza24, just to check, were you happy with the above? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:11, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks for the ping, I seem to have missed this, pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 17:39, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dank

Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
All this is assuming MWright winds up supporting; I'll check back.
Even though the first table is only meant as a key, I've added {{sronly|Format}}.
- Cheers. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:01, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'd link Camkin's Hall to Bill Camkin#Camkin's Hall.
- I don't really want to fix that redirect. There is a likelyhood I will make an article for Camkin's Hall one day Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:01, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In the "Multiple time Snooker World Championship winners" table, the Ref column should be unsortable. It wouldn't bother me if the Status column were unsortable, but if you're going to make it sortable, it shouldn't give the wrong chronological sort order.
- I've made refs unsortable. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}
Otherwise, looking at the FLC criteria:
1. You've got solid prose supports; that works for me. The coding at the top of the tables seems fine. I checked sorting on all columns and sampled the links in the tables.
2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
3b. The article is well-sourced to reliable sources, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any problems (but this isn't a source review). All relevant retrieval dates are present.
3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
4. It is navigable.
5. It meets style requirements. At a glance, the images seem fine.
6. It is stable.
Close enough for a support. Well done. - Dank (push to talk) 01:25, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TRM

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:58, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*"The World Snooker Championship Trophy" trophy doesn't need capitalisation.

- Fixed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"currently organises" see MOS:CURRENT.
- Sure, but I don't want to say they run the event, as they didn't in the past. I think the lede particularly needs to comment on who is now running the tournament. It's not like this is going to change suddenly.
  - That's why we have {{as of}}... The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:55, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - I have made the change/ Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"except for a few years " bit vague.
- Added years. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Below is a list of winners of the World Snooker Championship" unnecessary.
- I like having the refs of the table in prose, but I've moved to the header. Personally, I think it looks worse, but whatever. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Confusing to use two daggers just slightly different in appearance.
- Any ideas what other things I could use? I tried my best to find a different symbol Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I've variously used & or * or ^. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:56, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Using astrix Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The symbols are in parentheses in the key apart from the diamond one.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Link bye.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly do you mean by a "challenge format"?
- The bit after, saying the defending champion received a bye. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Lounge Hall, Nottingham and Kettering" two places called Lounge Hall in separate locations?
- No, there's a place in Kettering, which I've added. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
St Helier/South Africa, no more details on where in those locations the events were held?
- The South Africa places were held in over 50 matches of seven frames each. It's likely there were more than 20 locations for the two matches
Probably worth noting that the 1975 edition was in Australia, not Melbourne, Derbyshire...
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:06, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You don't mention that the score is in frames (but you do mention when it's not....)
- Do we need to explicitly state this? That's like saying that a football match was measured in goals. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:00, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You could do a nationality summary table too.
- We did have one, which I took out for being cruft. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:00, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Where is "active" status referenced?
- Added a cite Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:00, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why the small text for the dates of death?
- No idea, removed. I thought whoever did it knew more than I Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:00, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"sidestake of £50 " what's that? Consider inflating.
- Linked, and inflated. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:06, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 1, Everton can be linked.
- I don't like linking the refs to anything other than the links and archive links (or like an ISBN). I think it clouds someone trying to find the actual source. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:13, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 3 publisher is BBC News.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:10, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 10, what does "No. January 1964" mean?
- Changed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:10, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 16 is BBC Sport.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:10, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So is ref 18.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:10, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So is ref 20.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:10, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why not just Eurosport for 19 and 21?
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:10, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 22, Rawling can be linked.

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:43, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- The Rambling Man - sorry, I don't think I pinged before. Is there anything more for me on this one? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:05, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'll get back to you. I'm busy making up for the 280-point shortfall I'm starting with because someone promoted my FA on the last day of the previous round.......!! The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:07, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - No worries, you can probably ignore the other ping then! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:09, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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