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Result: WP:CLOP not resolved. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been doing a spot-check on this article's sources, and I have, unfortunately, found a non-insignificant amount of close paraphrasing and direct copyvio from the article's book sources. I'm going to list all the examples I've found so far, but it's going to take a while to fix them and more thoroughly check the rest of the article. I have also found a few cases where the close paraphrasing either distorted the meaning of the text to the point of inaccuracy, or was accidentally cited to the wrong source.

  • Article: The organization of the Aghlabid army was largely based on the Arab tribes who settled in Ifriqiya in the late 7th and 8th centuries. The troops were paid at clearly defined times, while cavalry received twice as much as infantry because of the greater cost of their horses and equipment.
    • Theotókīs, Geṓrgios (2020). Warfare in the Norman Mediterranean. Warfare in History. Woodbridge: The Boydell Press. p. 89. ISBN 978-1-78327-521-2.: The organization of the Aghlabid army was largely based upon the Arab tribes who settled in Ifriqiya in the late seventh and eight centuries. Its troops were probably paid at clearly defined times, with the calvary receiving twice as much as the infantry because of the greater costs of their horses and equipment.
      • The close paraphrasing also distorted the meaning of the original text; the source merely says that the discrepancies in pay "probably" existed, while the paraphrase makes the fact seem much more definitive.
 Done Skitash (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article: To persuade the Banu Hilal and Banu Sulaym to migrate to the Maghreb, the Fatimid caliph gave each tribesman a camel and money and helped them cross from the east to the west bank of the Nile River. The severe drought in Egypt at the time also persuaded these tribes to migrate to the Maghreb, which had a better economic situation at the time. The Fatimid caliph instructed them to rule the Maghreb instead of the Zirid emir Al-Mu'izz and told them "QUOTE" and told Al-Mu'izz "QUOTE".
    • El Hareir, Idris; Mbaye, Ravane, eds. (2011). The spread of Islam throughout the world. The different aspects of Islamic culture. Paris, France: UNESCO Publishing. ISBN 978-92-3-104153-2. OCLC 779275979.To persuade the Arabs of the Banu Salim and the Banu Hilal to emigrate to the Maghrib, the Fatimid caliph gave each tribesman a camel and money and helped them cross from the east to the west bank of the Nile. He also instructed them to rule the Maghrib instead of al-Mu'izz. Yazuri told them: 'QUOTE' He then wrote to al-Mu'izz saying: 'QUOTE'
    • El Hareir, Idris; Mbaye, Ravane, eds. (2011). The spread of Islam throughout the world. The different aspects of Islamic culture. Paris, France: UNESCO Publishing. ISBN 978-92-3-104153-2. OCLC 779275979.In the eight years from 446/1054 to 454/1062, Egypt suffered from a severe drought due to a fall in the level of the Nile. This was followed by a plague that is the subject of many terrible and horrific stories. The ensuing economic crisis encouraged the Banu Salim and the Banu Hilal to embark on their celebrated westward march to the Maghrib, which at that time enjoyed a better economic situation
      • This line is fine paraphrasing-wise, but the source states that the drought and plague caused an economic crisis that led to increase migration. The article only attributes the migration to the drought.
 Done Skitash (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article: The Banu Hilal conquered lands which they largely destroyed, whose cultivation then began to decline, leading to the rise of nomadism
    • Benouis, Farida; Museum With No Frontiers, eds. (2022). An architecture of light: Islamic art in Algeria. Islamic art in the Mediterranean. Vienna: Museum With No Frontiers. ISBN 978-3-902966-14-8.: The Banu Hilal took land which they had largely destroyed, and whose cultivation then began to decline. As nomadism spread, territories of the local tribes changed and shrank
      • The close paraphrasing distorted the meaning of the text; while the source connects the rise of nomadism to changes in the tribe's territories, our article links the invasions to the rise of nomadism. While that seems likely, I'm not seeing our source make that connection.
 Done Skitash (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article: According to Ibn Khaldun, the lands ravaged by Banu Hilal invaders had become desertified and turned into completely arid desert
    • Potential source: (info seemingly fails verification in the given one) "Populations Crises and Population Cycles". web.archive.org. 2013-05-27. Retrieved 2024-08-25.he also noted that the lands ravaged by these invaders had become completely arid desert.
      • This example might have fallen under WP:LIMITED, except for the fact that it wasn't cited. In addition, the preserved creative language of "ravaged" really should be in quotes and more directly attributed to the original author.
 Done Skitash (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article: The study found out that the majority of Eu10 chromosomes in the Maghreb are due to the recent gene flow caused by the Arab migrations to the Maghreb in the first millennium CE.
 Done Skitash (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Skitash (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article: Therefore it has been established that the Eu10 chromosome pool in the Maghreb is derived not only from early Neolithic dispersions but to a much greater extent from recent expansions of Arab tribes from the Arabian Peninsula.
 Done Skitash (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article: These Bedouin tribes accelerated and deepened the Arabization process, since the Berber population was gradually assimilated by the newcomers and had to share with them pastures and seasonal migration paths. By around the 15th century, the region of modern-day Tunisia had already been almost completely Arabized.
    • Holes, Clive (2018-08-30). Arabic Historical Dialectology: Linguistic and Sociolinguistic Approaches. Oxford University Press. p. 42. ISBN 978-0-19-100506-0. These immigrant Arab tribes accelerated and deepened the Arabization of the Maghreb since a large portion of the Berber population (in particular those living as pastoral nomads) was gradually assimilated by the newcomers who had to share with them pastures, as well as seasonal migration paths. It seems that by around the fifteenth century, the regions occupied by modern Tunisia had already been almost completely Arabized
 Done Skitash (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article: According to Ibn Khaldun, they were accompanied by their wives, children and stock. They settled in the Maghreb after repeatedly fighting battles against the Berbers, such as the Battle of Haydaran.
    • Potential source (it's not cited to this)el-Hasan, Hasan Afif (2019-05-01). Killing the Arab Spring. Algora Publishing. p. 82. ISBN 978-1-62894-349-8. According to Ibn Khaldun, the Fatimids sent them to settle in the Maghreb accompanied by their wives, children, and stock. After repeatedly fighting battles against the Berbers, they eventually co-existed with them.
 Done Skitash (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article: The Arab Muslim conquerors had a much more durable impact on the culture of the Maghreb than did the region's conquerors before and after them, and by the 11th century, the Berbers had become Islamized and Arabized.
 Done Skitash (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 20:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi GreenLipstickLesbian, do you feel the issues are resolved? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29 That's what I found with a 30 minute spotcheck - I genuinely have not had the time to look further, but thank you for the reminder. And while I also thank Skitash for making a good faith effort to fix the close paraphrasing and copyright issues, they appear to have done so by swapping out words with their synonyms. (Special:Diff/1242269783 shows this).
But picking two paragraphs at random, I'm seeing
Upon arriving in the Maghreb, the Arabs had to decide between settling in existing Roman and Byzantine towns or constructing new Arab towns in new locations. Archaeological and historical evidence suggests that they did both. Arab groups settled in old Roman towns such as Setif and Cherchell in Algeria and imposed their own architectural needs on the old, while other groups built totally new towns such as Basra, Fez, Qsar es-Seghir and Sijilmasa in Morocco.
and the source:
In crossing North Africa, the Arabs faced the choice of settling own in an existing Roman or Byzantine town, many of which were still inhabited, or of building a new town in a new location. Archaeological and historical evidence indicated they did both. Some groups moved into old Roman towns, like Setif and Cherchel in Algeria, and imposed their own architectural sensibilities and needs on the old. Other groups built completely new towns, such as al-Basra, Fez, Qsar es-Seghir, and Sigilmasa in Morocco.
and
The number of Arab migrants of Ifriqiya concentrated in the army and the cities, mainly Kairouan, has been estimated at 100,000. Most of the Arab migrants came from Syria and Iraq, which from the start supplied numerous migrants to the Maghreb
versus the source:
The number of Arab immigrants concentrated in the army and the cities, chiefly Kairouan, has been estimated at one hundred thousand. Most of them had come not from Arabia, but from Syria and Iraq, regions from which from the start had supplied numerous emigrants to the Maghrib.
Unfortunately, my random picks again show close paraphrasing. So no. I'm not convinced the issues have been resolved. If somebody else more familiar with the process would like to weigh in, however, that would be much appreciated. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 11:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, and as a copyright violation is a quickfail criterion, I have delisted the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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