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November 7

New Orleans Musicians Clinic

The article of that name needs a serious hatchet job. The subject is worthy, I have the skills and can do the research, but most of whats there is irrelevant. Do I go ahead or should I go on some forum to seek concensus? Guidence much appreciated. Mark^Dask 00:02, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Be bold and improve the article if you think you can help resolve its issues. You only need to discuss the changes if it's either something likely to be controversial, or if another editor voices a concern about the edits. You are of course welcome to discuss it on the talk page regardless, of course. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 00:14, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, thats all I needed. Mark^Dask 06:34, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

New article

Hi guys, I've developed a new article - Transport Legislation Review - and I think it's ready to be posted. Still not entirely sure how to move it so it goes live.

Can you please have a look and see what you think. It's only a shortish article, but I've added lots of references, hopefully sufficient to pass muster.

Can you please have a look and push the button if you think it's OK, otherwise please message me.

Cheers, Declan Palmer (talk) 00:44, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

There's already a section on the Transport Legislation Review here. Your article only has a short chunk of text at the top (the rest is more or less bullet-oriented). Is the new article necessary? Would an expansion of the pre-existing section be more reasonable?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Cheers, no this is different.

There's the Transport Legislation Review itself, the focus of the proposed article, and then there are the things which have come out of it. Basically the Review is a complete renewal project for all of the transport laws in Victoria, a state of 5 million people with a city (Melbourne) of around 4 million. The article you've highlighted relates to just one product of the Review, ie the Transport Integration Act. It wouldn't make sense to put all of the detail about the Review in the middle of an article about one of its products. See the references in the draft to the six other statutes, each of which is deserving of an article because they are the major things of public interest, not just here but accross the world.

This short proposed article is simply explaining the purpose of the Review and pointing to the major things which have come out of it. New statutes or laws by their nature are major and notable things changing as they do the settings for whichever sector is being regulated and affecting the community and the affected industries at the same time.

I was reluctant to add more detail simply because I worried about writing an article that was too long. Persionally, I prefer relatively short contributions. I could add more if it's thought necessary.

Happy to discuss further but I wouldn't have written and propsed the thing if I hadn't thought it was of interest and use. I only wish other jurisdictions would post information about similar things if they have them underway.

Cheers, Declan Palmer (talk) 01:27, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll add some more detail and flesh the subject out a bit more. It's a worthy topic and justifies its own short article I believe. Ta, Declan Palmer (talk) 06:46, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

References for Star Trek Actors

1. It says on the http://memory-alpha.org/ website that Connor Trinneer grandparents on his mother's side were all from southern Missouri and Northern Arkansas, and provided the inspiration for the southern accent for his role as Trip Tucker. Should this link http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Connor_Trinneer provided as a reference in the article?

2. It says on this link that Aron Eisenberg has a son. http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Aron_Eisenberg Should that info be included in his article?

3. I want to create an article abou the English-Canadian author named Martyn Godfrey. Here a few links about him: http://projects.cbe.ab.ca/ict/2learn/jcreid/famousalbertans/htmlfiles/albertans/godfrey.htm http://www.track0.com/ogwc/authors/godfrey_m.html http://www.yabs.ab.ca/Martyn-Godfrey.asp http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/g/martyn-godfrey/ Please make an article about him. Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 02:13, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Wiki pages at http://memory-alpha.org/ are not reliable sources. See WP:SELFPUBLISH and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 46#memory-alpha.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:32, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

SUMMAEIES THROUGH WIKIPIDIA

I am doing my masters degree, that is why ,i want summaries of my syllabus's chapter only by wikipidia.plz help me.what can i do to find all summaries of my book in wikipidaonly .

What are you studying? You'll need to tell us what you need help finding so we can find it for you. --Jayron32 04:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Need to edit some family history on Wikipedia

I am new here and this may sound like a real basic question but I need to know the answer. There is an entry for a relative of mine in Wikipedia. Some of the information concerning this deceased relative, including his birth and death dates, is incorrect and I want to correct it but I don't have any online "verifiable" source, just our family records (family bible, funeral book, church records, my brother's genealogy research). Is is permissible for me to make such changes, and if so, how do I reference them? Katherine906 (talk) 04:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

The source doesn't have to be online, but it does have to be widely published and publicly availible. Thus, an obituary from an out-of-print paper, which may not be online, but was read presumably by thousands of people and could be found at your local library, would count as a verifiable source. However, your family bible would not, since not anyone could go to your house to look it up. Do you have ANY sources for the information which were published sources, even if they aren't online? --Jayron32 04:31, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Martyn Godfrey

I want to create an article abou the English-Canadian author named Martyn Godfrey. Here a few links about him: http://projects.cbe.ab.ca/ict/2learn/jcreid/famousalbertans/htmlfiles/albertans/godfrey.htm http://www.track0.com/ogwc/authors/godfrey_m.html http://www.yabs.ab.ca/Martyn-Godfrey.asp http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/g/martyn-godfrey/ Please make an article about him. Thanks!Neptunekh2 (talk) 04:03, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Why don't you have a go yourself? Standard advice follows:

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

Thank you.

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article. You might also look at Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is also available to walk you through creating an article. – ukexpat (talk) 14:16, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Change entry header/part of title

Hello all, I was recently editing a page [Significance (journal)] and was wondering how to change the 'journal' part to 'magazine'? It was initially created with 'Journal' but it's actually a magazine and not a journal...help! Many thanks, Abdelhk. talk 12:21, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

As you are an autoconfirmed user, you can simply move the page to its new title. As a bonus, this will automatically leave a redirect page at the previous title. It would then be good practice to go through the links pointing to the page (using 'What links here') and edit them to point directly at the new page. --ColinFine (talk) 13:56, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Donald Graves biography

I am not sure whether I am at the right place because I found your so-called "assistance" mechanisms totally confusing.

I am the subject of a Wikipedia biographical article. I did not write this article nor do I know the author of it. While it is overall accurate, it is somewhat outdated in terms of my positions and publications, incomplete in terms of my educated and incorrect in terms of my current position.

How do I go about updating and correcting this biography?

Sincerely DE Graves —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.29.230 (talk) 14:35, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Updating an article about yourself is problematic. You should read some of the relevant Wikipedia policies such as WP:COI, WP:AUTOBIO, WP:OR, and WP:BLP. If you have little knowledge about Wikipedia editing generally, you should also read WP:HOW (and the places it points to). Unfortunately, aside from any currency problems the Graves articles has, the article itself is not up to standards as it cites no outside sources for any of the material (putting aside the bibliography). See WP:RS.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:05, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

You are in one of the right places. I will watch Talk:Donald Graves. You can post suggestions for changes there. If you want to add information then please give published sources even if you personally know it to be true. If you want incorrect information about you removed then published sources stating it is incorrect are not required when the incorrect information is currently unsourced. The article was created by User:RCHussar on 13 July 2007 and the information has not been updated since. RCHussar is no longer active. At WP:DATED we tell editors to avoid terms like "currently" because information can later become obsolete, but some editors don't know all the relevant policies and guidelines. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:42, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Can't login

when I attempt to login (well, yeah I forgot my password; use the same one everyplace -- no security: use a different one everyplace -- no memory)

   I got:    essentially "no such user"

----------------------->  so my normal username is not in use

  but now I get:

As an anti-spam measure, you are limited from performing this action too many times in a short space of time, and you have exceeded this limit. Please try again in a few minutes.

Return to Special:UserLogin

------------------->   which I understand

When I try to create an account with this name I get:

Login error

The requested username is already taken in the unified login system. Please choose a different name.

---

> how do I find my "unified login system" account and password? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.75.3 (talk) 16:12, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Have I understood correctly that you forgotten your user name? Some suggestions: If you have ever edited anything at Wikipedia while logged in, your user name will be listed in the page history. Or, if you can remember or guess the first few letters of the name, then Special:ListUsers may help. Or, if you registered an email address when you set up your account, you may still have the confirmation email that was sent to you. Bear in mind that these names are case-sensitive.

If you find the correct user name and have forgotten the password, see Help:Logging in.

If I've misunderstood, please scan Help:Logging in and then post again here. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:54, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia is one of many Wikimedia wikis with a unified login system. The user name may have been registered at one of the others and prevent you from getting it here. There are also restrictions on very similar usernames to avoid impersonaters and confusion. We can say more if you tell the username. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:59, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Messaging a member list

Hey folks, I know there's a bot somewhere around that can send a group message to the list of members of a WikiProject - can;t remember where it is though. Can anyone point me in the right direction, please? Thanks, Colds7ream (talk) 16:34, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you were thinking of User:MessageDeliveryBot? The request form is at [1] Intelligentsium 16:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

That's the one, thanks! :-) Colds7ream (talk) 21:38, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Two issues: Notes vs. References and Page Visitation Count.

Hi. I'm the primary author of the Michael Sabo page.

1) There are four Notes listed. Two of them are actually References (#1, #3). When I try to edit the Notes to copy and paste #1 and #3 into the References area, no notes are visible in the HTML box. In other words, I just don't see how to do this.

2) Also, is there a way to see how many hits the page has? Can I put a meter at the bottom of the page?

Many thanks! ChrisBayer (talk) 18:30, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

1) I have collapsed the two sections into one. The {{reflist}} code pulls together the inline references that are formatted with <ref>....</ref> tags, so you must look at the whole of the article in edit mode to find such references in order to edit them

2. No. Oops, see below, thanks for the tip, never noticed that before! – ukexpat (talk) 19:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

It is possible to see the page view stats on the article's history tab (at the top in blue, at least for me). But no "meter" on the actual article. AlexiusHoratius 19:12, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

London Underground stations - new name for each page

Hi,

Although London Underground's parent company, Transport for London, has incorrectly called the whole London Underground 'The Tube', as said in the main LU article here on Wikipedia, I think that at least Wikipedia should at least be correct.

'The Tube' really means the following lines: Bakerloo Central Jubilee Northern Piccadilly Victoria Waterloo & City

not: Circle District Hammersmith & City Metropolitan

which are 'Sub-surface'.

I have contacted TfL and they are considering rebranding the system to 'London Underground' or just 'Underground', and trying to discourage the media and the public to call the whole network the 'Tube'.

I am not trying to be pedantic, but would it be possible to change all London Underground stations' page titles to Underground, e.g. Green Park Underground station, instead of Green Park tube station, because there is no 'Tube' at, for example, Mansion House? It would also be good if the word 'Tube' is only used to inform readers of the difference between 'deep level tube' and 'sub-surface' on the whole of Wikipedia.

Thank you very much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by George Moore 1995 (talk • contribs) 19:23, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

When I lived in London the whole of the Underground was referred to as "the Tube" irrespective of whether it was "deep level", "sub-surface" or "above ground" and as far as I know that is still the common usage. Rebranding by TfL could be mentioned in the article if and when it happens (citing a source of course), but I don't think we should edit out the common usage just because TfL wants to engage in some rebranding/marketing exercise. – ukexpat (talk) 23:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I think that in insisting on the distinction between "tube" and "sub-surface" lines you are indeed being pedantic, as most Londoners do not make that distinction; and you have no more business saying that TfL are "incorrect" in their choice of name than I would have if I told you that you are "incorrect" in using the name "George Moore 1995". Having said that, I am inclined to agree with you that "Underground station" would be preferable for article titles than "tube station", but not for your reason. But really that comes down to the evidential question of which form the "reliable sources" more commonly use (see WP:COMMONNAME and I haven't checked that. --ColinFine (talk) 23:41, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

"Ronnie Jagday" Page: Help with Removing Error/Violation message from my Page

Hi There,

I noticed my wikipedia page is not showing and states the below 'flagged' message. how does one remove and ensure no copyright violations???

I have tried and searched unsuccessfully on how I remove.

Thanks!

Ronnie

Possible copyright infringement Copyright-problem.svg

The content of this page may violate Wikipedia's copyright policy and requires review.

This article has been automatically tagged as part of a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted prose taken from other WWW sites or printed material; such additions must be deleted. Major contributions by contributors who have been verified to have violated copyright in multiple articles may be presumptively deleted in accordance with Wikipedia:Copyright violations.

Because it has been automatically tagged, this article's copyright status requires review. Your help as a Wikipedia editor is requested. This is the procedure to follow. If you have questions about copyright, please follow the links to further information given on the procedure page.

By removing this notice, you assert that you understand our copyright policies and have dealt with any copyright violations which exist on this page. You are responsible for any copyright violations reintroduced by your edits. Please note your action at the corresponding subpage of the CCI as per procedure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.50.28 (talk) 19:37, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

You'll find an explanation and advice at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Darius Dhlomo. David Biddulph (talk) 19:54, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Jackaroo ( Occupation)

The description is as follows "Jackaroo (occupation), A young man in training on a station in Australia." One could assume that the young man is working on a railway station as it doesn't specify what type of station, i.e. train station, sheep staion, cattle station etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.229.142.184 (talk) 20:17, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing that; I have re-worded the entry and cleaned up some of the other entries there. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:51, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

fake wiki

OK I found this http://greece.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page which is a fake wiki. How can such creatures be stopped? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atkenos (talk • contribs) 22:21, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

The MediaWiki software is free software and anyone can download it or use it to create wikis. Access Denied – talk to me 22:26, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

There is no reason to 'stop' people from making their own wikis with MediaWiki- that's what it's for! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:24, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

See more at wiki and MediaWiki. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Having trouble with an image in Wiki commons

I'm trying to display an image on the bio page for Harold Garfinkel. I uploaded a file (garfinkel2.tif) to the commons area, but what gets displayed is "225px". Is there a problem with the size of the image or is something else amiss? Pracktiker (talk) 22:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)