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May 23

problem?

Hello. I think I have identified an individual who has done much harm to articles. This is the user in question - [1] . At the moment I am working on some project of mine, and I noticed that many pages that contain population data have been changed. Census data in the former yugoslavia did not have the category "bosniak". Instead it had the category muslims, which referred to muslims by nationality. I am of the opinion that a person has let their emotions run wild, and that as a result they have changed many articles. I found this accidentally, as I am working on a project. Wikipedia of course is not my main source, but I pop in on it from time to time just for very basic reference stuff. I do not have the time to go around patrolling the pages in vain. (Lilicneiu (talk) 00:05, 23 May 2013 (UTC)).[reply]

The edits in question were all carried out during a single day in November last year. The editor in question has been warned, and hasn't edited since. Other than reverting any edits that have not yet been reverted (I'll check), there seems little point in doing anything more. 00:12, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

If you see a high-scale case of vandalism, you may always report a user on the "Administrator intervention against vandalism" page--JustBerry (talk) 14:06, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Where can I go to find help from other users with regards to a music related notability question?

From what I can tell, neither here nor the reference desk seem the correct place to ask them, and I have already checked through the WikiProjects list without much luck. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 00:14, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried Wikipedia talk:Notability (music)? CTF83! 00:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For specific advice, you can seek advice at Wikipedia:Notability/Noticeboard. Singularity42 (talk) 00:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried neither, but I will do so straight away. Many thanks guys. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 01:16, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with Infobox

Another editor has twice deleted the infobox I added today to this article [2]. The other editor says the infobox is 'broken' [3]. I can't see that it is. Any help with this would be much appreciated. NinaGreen (talk) 05:10, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The "issue" parameter is printing the name of his child, unindented, on the line below the word "issue". I believe this is what the other editor is talking about. Regardless, what you should do, in as polite and friendly a manner as possible, is to ask them directly on their user talk page and wait for a response from them. There's no way anyone here can read his or her mind. If you want to know why someone does something, ask them directly. --Jayron32 05:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nobility is all about family so {{Infobox noble}} orders its fields differently from most other people infoboxes. Maybe the other editor isn't used to this and is confused because family information comes first. The infobox is coded to display issue on a new line, maybe to give room for long title and name combinations on the same line. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are a couple problems with the use of the template beyond what's present in Montfort. The spacing before and after "issue" is huge and I can't figure out why that is - it's not part of the template code AFAICT, as it's beyond that of simply having the heir appear on the next line and is much larger than appears on Montfort. Second, it doesn't actually cover what this person is known for - perhaps another template would be more appropriate, or none at all. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:03, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've just now used a brand-new nobility template from the Wikipedia templates page, and the spacing after "issue" appears exactly the same. Perhaps Nikkimaria, who twice deleted the infobox claiming it was 'broken', could take that problem up at the Templates page, as it's not the individual infobox in the article I was working on which is 'broken'. If anything is 'broken', it's the template at the Wikipedia Templates page. The nobility template is appropriate because Thomas Neville was the son of Lord Abergavenny, and his wife was a daughter of Lord Dacre. Thanks to all for the helpful suggestions. NinaGreen (talk) 15:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it does appear to be something about this specific use - the other examples of this infobox that I've looked at don't have the same spacing. Still not sure what's going on, anyone have any ideas? Nikkimaria (talk) 17:56, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be happening with the same parameter at John I, Duke of Brabant. I suspect the box code is borked in some way. - Ka renjc 20:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

IT may be useful to bring this to someone's attention at WP:VPT. That board is populated by people who tend to be good at stuff like this. --Jayron32 05:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CSS class for autoconfirmed users

Is there a CSS class which lets only autoconfirmed users see the content? Like the sysop-show. --Glaisher (talk) 06:42, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

According to Wikipedia:Catalogue of CSS classes, no, there isn't. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cross language Infobox images?

Excluding Commons, it looks like it is not possible to use images in infoboxes from other Wikipedia languages versions. The language prefix such as :de, :it, etc. will not work Is this by design? If so why? Rixxardo (talk) 08:23, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Which image is it you need to use? If it's in an infobox then it may be copyrighted and used under a Fair Use clause, and so not on the Commons. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 08:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They may be like File:Kelvin bridge by RFT.png where we moved it from the German project to commons. I was amazed it was harder to find an image of one than build one and take a picture of it, which I was tempted to do. Commons may help to translate the licenses from other projects.--Canoe1967 (talk) 08:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For example, an image created in the Italian Wikipedia version won't be usable in the English Wikipedia version. Basically it won't be displayed in the infobox, regardless the advanced syntax. Maybe I'm mistaken? If not, what syntax should be used to display correctly an image from other language?Rixxardo (talk) 08:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you could use an image on another language of Wikipedia like that unless you first uploaded it to the Commons. And then if it's under Fair Use, you wouldn't be able to upload to Commons. Can you provide a link to the image in question or is this a general question on reusing images? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 09:04, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, only files on Commons or English Wikipedia can be used. The reason is that each project has its own specific standards for non-free use. For example, it:File:AS Roma Logo 2013.svg is acceptable on Italian Wikipedia, but on English Wikipedia its resolution would have to be reduced. —teb728 t c 09:11, 23 May 2013 (UTC) But now that you are autoconfirmed, you can upload it to English Wikipedia and insert it in the semiprotected A.S. Roma. —teb728 t c 09:13, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Someone has allready uploaded AS_Roma_logo_(2013).svg in the English version, however I have attempted to use this version in an Italian page (infobox section), but it won't show whatever the syntax Rixxardo (talk) 09:35, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So the image is File:AS Roma logo (2013).svg. What article though? We're slowly getting there... ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 11:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just as you can't use the Italian version on English Wikipedia, you can't use the English version on Italian Wikipedia. The Italian version is File:AS Roma Logo 2013.svg; use that on Italian Wikipedia, and use the English version File:AS Roma logo (2013).svg on English Wikipedia. —teb728 t c 07:24, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Second opinion requested on this edit

I'm tempted to revert it, but would like a second opinion before I do.

Basically, the revision deleted a paragraph about environmental concerns on a power plant. The edit summary is blank, and it's the only edit ever from that IP address. The IP address appears to be in Utah, from either Delta (10 mi S of the power plant) or Fillmore (20 mi S of Delta). Could be someone with a WP:COI, or just a knowledgeable local.

If you look a few revisions back, I had tried to improve that paragraph, and marked some statements as needing citation, as the referenced article did not substantiate them. I wasn't really a fan of it, but I left them in because they seemed plausible.

If the edit had just been accompanied by a comment like "Just nuke the unsubstantiated statements", I probably would have acceded.

But even though the paragraph is pretty borderline for value, and I'm not sure I want to champion reintroducing it, this set off my "deleting criticism from Wikipedia" radar.

If I decide it should be reverted, I'll go and mention it to the user on their talk page, etc., but I'm currently debating whether to object at all.

Could someone take a look and advise me? (Also feel free to take action yourself if that's easier than telling me to.) Thank you!

71.41.210.146 (talk) 08:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

After reading the section it appears to be a general criticism tacked onto that power plant. It could do with more citations but i would support restoring it and leaving on the tags you placed for a period of time. I'd say the opposite only if the section was obvious spam or if there were a GA or FA status for the article. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 08:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, undone. User talk page notified with Template:Uw-vandalism1, which doesn't have the most fortunate name, but was the closest user-warning template I could find. 71.41.210.146 (talk) 11:08, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(After reading the warning) Looks okay to me! Nice work ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 11:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Numbered list with images to its left

I put images on both sides of a numbered list in the Mishneh Torah article, but as a result the hierarchy of the list was lost. Hence, my edits were reverted. Can somebody fix the list while preserving the images? --Jonund (talk) 08:28, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If the images do add value to the article rather use Template:Gallery to arrange them neatly. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:39, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template request for NBA Draft Combine

Is it possible to create something like {{NFL predraft}} for the NBA Draft combine. here are the results and measurements that we want a table for.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 10:02, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just go ahead and do it. I don't see any problem. --bender235 (talk) 11:48, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion appears to be fragmented. There is currently a consensus to not have such a template at WikiProject NBA at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association#Template_request_for_NBA_Draft_Combine.—Bagumba (talk) 18:13, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Changes in "talk:Articles for creation/Alicia Gali" are not mainfested

I've made some changes to the "Publicity" section in the Alicia Gali article proposal.

The changes do not appear in the section, but they appear in the relevant edit page.

Any idea why my changes are not propagated to the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam Matan (talk • contribs) 11:41, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A ref tag was missing a slash so the text became undisplayed inside the ref. Fixed in [4]. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:01, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Adam Matan (talk) 12:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Submitting a Current Wikipage for Approval

Dear Wikipedia,

As a group assignment, we editied the page called "Salary", we added all the citations and also added more information to the article.

How do we submit this changed page for approval, so that it doesn't say " this page has multiple errors?

Kind Regards, Ground.meyer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ground.meyer (talk • contribs) 11:56, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It does not say "this page has multiple errors". Please read the message more carefully. Maproom (talk) 12:21, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What it said was "multiple issues". It specified two, lack of references and lack of global context. Your edits appear to me to have addressed both, so I have removed the tags. You could have removed them yourself, but I understand your caution in leaving that decision to an independent editor. Maproom (talk) 12:31, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your group assignment should have had separate accounts for each member, and as a result it has been blocked.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:19, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clickable links in image

Resolved

Is it possible to add clickable links to an image and if so, how can this be done? Note that those need to be external links. I recall having seen some maps with different clickable areas. How can I make something like that? I want to reproduce the links of File:Wikimedia logo family complete-2012.svg, because when I transclude that image here on Wikipedia, the links are gone, but I need those links on the page transcluding the image. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 12:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I found {{Annotated image}}, which seems to be what I am looking for. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 12:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Now if only I were sure how to use it. I have the image with the template in my sandbox. I want to have the image in that size (320px) with a link on each of the project logos. How exactly do I do that? I don't seem to get it. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 13:43, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The line rect 27 0 77 23 Cambrian appears to specify the wikilink and its position on the image as well as the size of the clickable area. I only need to figure out which number does what... -- Toshio Yamaguchi 13:57, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

? I don't get how to do what I want. I want to specify a quadratic link-area and place it over the Commons logo. How do I figure out the numbers I need to use? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 14:13, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The syntax is described here. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I found what I need on the page you linked. Thank you. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 14:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

contributing

okay so I know how to start a new topic but how do I write on a topic thats already started? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MayhemMaster (talk • contribs) 12:42, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean adding to an existing section then click the "[edit]" link to the right of the section heading. There is also an "Edit" tab at top of pages to edit the whole page. See more at Help:Editing. Some pages are protected or semiprotected so you cannot edit them. When your account becomes autoconfirmed you can edit semiprotected pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, thanks that pretty much answers my question.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MayhemMaster (talk • contribs)

problem with article Hermannsburg, KwaZulu-Natal..

The photo in article not accurate depiction of our community..This is a picture from another place, not Hermannsburg in KZN, SA. It might say something about the history, but even the sign board is from another country...Note the money sign is not Rand...

If you need pictures for Hermannsburg for this article, we stay here and can give you more accurate ones. Thanks :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vermeulen72 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: article here - Hermannsburg,_KwaZulu-Natal CaptRik (talk) 13:39, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the poster, the photo is almost certainly from this Hermannsburg - Hermannsburg,_Northern_Territory which is in Austrailia. I have removed the photo from the article. If you would like to upload a suitable photo, or donate material please see WP:PHOTO and WP:DONATE

Could a wiser head suggest what to do with the photo itself? It's description is incorrect so should it be proposed for deletion, or can I simply correct the details? CaptRik (talk) 13:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The photo is on Commons, I have posted about the problem there - the photo information will probably be corrected soon. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Visitor's Privacy

My name has got associated with a topic I frequently visited. My name gets displayed along with Wikipedia reference when the topic is searched in any search engine. How to get my name removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.172.121.230 (talk) 14:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe other editors will be able to understand your question, but it's not clear to me what you are asking. Is your name included in the text of the article? Were you cited as a reference? Are you asking how to remove your name from a search engine?--This would be beyond the scope of the Wikipedia Help Desk. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:05, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's hard to say anything without knowing more. If you don't want to discuss the issue in public then you can use the email address shown at Wikipedia:Contact us - Subjects. Let me say one thing for others who may see this post: If you only read a Wikipedia article without editing then it cannot cause anything to be revealed about you. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:03, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have a guess as to what may be happening. Do the google hits include something like "User:<your name>/" at the start of their title? If so, they are user sandboxes in which the article has been worked on, by an editor whose username is the same as your name (quite legitimate, if they happen to have the same name as you). If that is the case, I suggest that you drop that user a line on their talk page (User talk:<your name>) explaining the problem. If they have released the page into Wikipedia proper, or abandoned it, they can request it be deleted. But if they are still working on it, I'm not sure there's much you can do.

translating pages.

Hello, I would like to translate a page from english to french. The page doesn't exist at all in the french version of wikipedia. How can I do ? thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.250.20.148 (talk) 14:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You would create the page on the French Wikipedia, see their first steps page.--ukexpat (talk) 15:43, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

kindly delete this page

File:Mohammed kaaba 1315.jpg

Regarding the above page it showing the wrong picture of prophet Mohammed (sas), in Islam talking picture are haram & Prophet Mohammed(sas) didn't take any photo & illustration of his image is also prohibited, Kindly Respect Muslims rituals Thanks & warm Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.50.92.165 (talk) 14:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:NOTCENSORED and the advice at WP:NOIMAGE.--ukexpat (talk) 15:16, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Two accounts

Is having two accounts and operating both simultaneously always a case of sockpuppetry, or is it just frowned upon? Astronaut (talk) 15:25, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If each of the two user pages clearly mentions the other account and explains the reasons for their both existing, it should not be frowned upon. Maproom (talk) 15:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See more at Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Editorial notes on article how to have removed

I am writing about the following article Georgian Bay Symphony

The editorial notes at the top question the notability and the lack of citations. The issue of citations has been addressed can someone please review the page and remove the editorial notes. Thank you --Dadair1 (talk) 15:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done.--ukexpat (talk) 15:44, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template Help

I would like to add more images to this template: Template:Infobox COA wide. Currently it only allows one image on the far right side, however I would like for the code to allow five images, with variable sizes, arranged vertically. However I would prefer it if the parameter begins with " image=" , then " image1 =" , "image size1 =" , " image =2" , "image size2 =" etc, so that articles with this template already included does not have to be changed. Thanks Sodacan (talk) 15:57, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox COA wide uses the Template:Navbox. Navbox currently does not support more than one image on the right side. However, it allows one image on both sides of the navbox. See Template:Navbox#With two images, without groups, multiple lists for an example. --Glaisher (talk) 16:16, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's common for templates to only allow one image. If you really want to display more then consider using an external program to make a composite image and upload it. For example, the infobox in London uses File:London collage.jpg. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:29, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see, that is a shame. Thanks Sodacan (talk) 16:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Changing Usernames

So here's my question. I have gone through all the necessary rigamerole to change my username. How long will it take for my username to be changed?MayhemMaster (talk) 18:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Up to a few days. Ruslik_Zero 18:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Possible faulty move from Sandbox - do I need to do anything?

Hi, I may have caused confusion today while trying to move a page I created on my sandbox onto mainspace. Got befuddled by the options at move stage. Page is: Chapel of St Helen, Wicken Bonhunt. From Sandbox, I renamed, but clicked the topmost box that said Wikipedia, which created Wikipedia: Chapel of St Helen, Wicken Bonhunt. That looked wrong so I moved it again, so it has a double redirect in its history. Possibly it now looks to reviewers like it was created by someone else in December 2012 or I was trying to do something weird. Is there anything I need to do apart from hang my head in shame? Thanks Libby norman (talk) 18:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The edit history looks OK. I have tagged the intermediate redirect at Wikipedia:Chapel of St Helen, Wicken Bonhunt for speedy deletion.--ukexpat (talk) 18:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You do not need to do anything. Ruslik_Zero 18:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much --ukexpat and Ruslik_Zero. Libby norman (talk) 18:42, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1956 California motorcycle license plate

Bottom left of plate shows BY, Bottom right of plate shows. PYMT. Does this still ALLOW me to use this plate to register now in 2013 Thank U :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randallalt (talk • contribs) 19:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--ukexpat (talk) 19:12, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hollingsworth & Vose

The Wikipedia page for Hollingsworth & Vose was deleted for some unknown reason. Is there any way to restore it?

Thanks,

Jodi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.206.55.200 (talk) 19:49, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It was deleted May 14 by User:Yunshui as a copyright violation. It is necessary to write original texts on Wikipedia ("in your own words") Rmhermen (talk) 20:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And if it was a copyright violation, there is a good chance that it was too promotional in tone for Wikipedia anyway. If you're considering creating such an article, please read WP:YFA and WP:ORG first. --ColinFine (talk) 21:29, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Musselburgh Grammar School

I am the Head Teacher at this school in Scotland. I would like to amend the article on the school but anticipate in doing so that it could be perceived as a conflict of interest.

The issue is on the HMIe section. This section begins with the 1999 Care and Welfare inspection which was not flattering to the school as opposed to the 2006 HMIe report mentioned later, which was far more positive. When people look for information on the school, Wikipedia pops up as the main entry and it is damaging the school's current reputation.

There were very few Care and Welfare inspections done because they did not work and they are no longer used.

I'd like to offer up an alternative wording for this section for someone else to read and agree that it gives a more balanced account of HMIe reports.

Ronnie Summers

You're taking the right approach. Come up with the new wording, and when it is ready, put it on the article's talk page with {{Request edit}}. Someone will see the request and make the edit or decline it with an explanation. RudolfRed (talk) 20:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a link to a blog ?

I understand that adding links to external webpages is encouraged when the article is enhanced by the external link. However, blogs are discouraged as external links at the ends of articles unless the blog writer is a "notable" person. I would like to add my blog page to the Wiki article about the Deep Sea Drilling Project. The blog is about my experiences on Deep Sea Drilling Project voyages as a long time employee and participant in that program. Does this connection make me "notable" enough? Also, article about the Deep Sea Drilling Project is erroneously entitled "Deep Sea Drilling Program. Correct name of the project appears in the article. I would make this edit correction but editing/changing an article title seems to take special skills. 24.149.204.120 (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it unlikely that such a link would satisfy any of the grounds mentioned in WP:EL. I don't think your summary matches any of the reasons listed in that article; the closest would be "Sites that fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources", but the trouble with a blog is that they usually do not clearly distinguish information from opinion.

As for the title: changing a title requires a move, which I think only logged-in users can do. I would do it, but I see that there is already a redirect page Deep Sea Drilling Project (which redirects to Deep Sea Drilling Program); only an admin can move over a redirect, but now you've brought it up here, an admin will probably notice this and do it for you. --ColinFine (talk) 21:41, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually (unless they have changed things recently) a non-admin can reverse a redirect if the redirect has only one version. —teb728 t c 21:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was right that it is possible, and I moved it. —teb728 t c 22:39, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks teb728: I didn't realise that. --ColinFine (talk) 10:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]