A bad article can have many different forms...this particular bad article is not an encyclopedic article, but rather, a poem a Wikipedian has decided to share by creating a page with nothing on it except the poem. It's a less common sort of vandalism, but I've seen it done before. It's always heart-wrenching to kill it because you know they put extra work into it. If you have a look at the linked policy, WP:POETRYISALWAYSWRONG, it explains why poetry should not be put into the main space. Bob the Wikipedian(talk • contribs) 07:58, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we're seeing eye-to-eye here. Ideally, no article is a poem, and no project is, either. The idea here is this: Imagine that some n00b has decided to exercise his ability to create a new article that consists solely of the poem he wrote about whatever, and has saved it into the main space where articles go. This is the sort of page that meets WP:CFD, which is why it would be considered bad. Bob the Wikipedian(talk • contribs) 04:36, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I totally misinterpreted four words that were in your original repsonse, which screwed up everything that I have said since then. :) You are correct, my good sir, and I support this nomination. ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)05:38, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How can you love it? That quote is so boring! I think that we should have one that is actually interesting, funny, unknown, whatever... Not this, however!
Text: While in play, this troll causes one bad card to be turned over for every article in play relating to a famous person biographical article in play.
I suppose it would be, "While in play, this troll causes one bad card to be turned over for every article in play relating to a politician or politics in general.." —Preceding signed comment added by Nicky Nouse (talk • contribs • wikia) 04:08, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Text:Rodriguez Alfonzo Jalapeno Terre Peeetre le Gorgo CXXXVIII, the troll who always signs his posts, even in article namespace, causing server overload, has signed his posts. You can not play instant cards this turn.
We could have something really long that runs right off the card. For example:
Discord
Freakesshly long sig
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Rodriguez Alfonzo Jalapeno Terre Peeetre le Gorgo CXXXVIII, the troll who always signs his posts, even in article namespace, causing server overload, likes to edit a lot, and therefore always causes problems for his fellow Wikipedians (although this isn't usually a big deal for the rest of the world.) He was born in Tallahassee on the twelfth of July, 1984, and quickly moved to Long Island when his mother's job was transferred.
Maybe, we could make it all just a long name, with titles, like so: "His highnessKing Rodriguez Alfonzo Jalapeno Terre Peeetre le Gorgo CXXXVIII, the troll who always signs his posts, even in article namespace, causing server overload at the most inconvenient times, Lord of Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliaphobiaville, Baron Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphioparaomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygonia,Supreme Tyrant of the West Watchmendarkknightreturnskillingjokesandmanroadtoperditionsupermanendoftimecivilwarclonesagasnowbirdsdontflyallstarbatmanandrobintheboywondercrisisoninfiniteearthsinfinitecrisisidentitycrisisourworldsatwarsflashpointfinalcrisissoylentgreenwaspeoplesnapekillsdumbledorewinstonsmithdiesattheendsin City just signed a post. Good luck." Except replacing that last one with something equally long, except without all the copyright violations...--CanvasHat23:39, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Or just a bunch of middle names. Do you remember that '97 Cinderella movie? It had a song called "The Prince is Giving a Ball" and the announcer guy was reading from official documents, which listed the prince's full name, "His royal highness Christopher Rupert Vwindemier Vlandamier Carl Alexander Francois Reginald Lancelot Herman Gregory James, son of her majesty Queen Constantina Charlotte Hermantrude Guenivere Mazie Margareet Ann, son of his majesty King Maximillian Godfee Ladeslous Leapolt Sydney Frederick John". —Airhogs777 (complaints • evidence • alibi) @WikiShrek06:50, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
We'll just have to make it fit then. Trust me on this one. I'll come up with something creative if this card makes it to the illustration candidates. Instant cards are pretty rare in most games, though...this might make a better Wikipedia class card. That way instants would be banned from the game until someone can correct it. After all, changing someone else's sig doesn't happen instantaneously...you have to get them to do it. Bob the Wikipedian(talk • contribs) 02:04, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Text: Turn over one bad card if there is a video-game-related article in play (unless you really want one of your articles to be vandalized, then it can apply to that, instead.)
If we are to ignore the section head, why did you make it so long? Also, I think that having three video-game related articles be vandalized is a bit much, because there probably won't ever be that many video-game articles in play. ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)18:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't mean it like that, I just mean for this card. Changing the title doesn't seem like that big a deal. We should just ask CanvasHat to switch the name, and that will take care of the problem. —Preceding signed comment added by Nicky Nouse (talk • contribs • wikia) 01:14, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like the idea of having one card with a gigantic title, so gigantic that we had to change the format for it. The only way I would support that is if it were freakishly-rare, or something like that, so that it becomes a "special" card in multiple ways, not just the format-changing one. ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)03:57, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You two just figure out exactly what you want this proposal to be, propose it, and then I'll commnet, because I can't really make sense of this conversation at the moment. :) ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)21:51, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, 170 cards? Really? I thought it was 100 not counting the access levels and user. I don't have time to do the math at the moment, but maybe we ought to think about reducing the size to 100 or so. Woot for the proposal, though. Bob the Wikipedian(talk • contribs) 02:10, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, they say things like "each user has 100 cards, if they have 150 they... for two hundred divide whatever by six..." Look, you'll see that kind of thing in the card math section. —Preceding signed comment added by Nicky Nouse (talk • contribs • wikia) 12:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, gotcha. Yes, "standard" cards with variations are good. The troll cards play the variation game as well, as you've probably noticed. I like it, though I feel the "+1" is redundant. So, question time: Should we imply that all vandalisms that don't say otherwise incur a single vandalism counter? Bob the Wikipedian(talk • contribs) 07:10, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That'll allow for a larger image on some cards and a better wording on others...it'd be a shame to have to include something that's implied and then lose space over it. Not really a problem on this card, but it would be on others. Bob the Wikipedian(talk • contribs) 18:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not meaning to ruin the joke more, but is mr. Waldo Doe copyrighted
Nope, but Waldo is copyrighted and trademarked. I'm not pointing to the legality issues, though...I'm wondering if this is actually relevant to everyday life on Wikipedia. Looking through a page history for a man named Waldo isn't exactly something people ... do.... is it? Bob the Wikipedian(talk • contribs) 04:09, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good; also sounds more like an edit than a user. The user cards are special cards in that you choose one to represent you as a player for the duration of the game, and it shows your specialty. Although, if you wanted to make a user card out of this, you could do it by changing the text to say something like "You may revert one vandalism at the beginning of each turn." I'm fine with either, or both, actually. Bob the Wikipedian(talk • contribs) 06:03, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes! Good idea. Ummm... How about having everyone lose admin "powers" (if they have them) until this is removed? Any "powers" above and below admins would be unaffected. ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)06:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was just thinking of how to illustrate some of these and i saw this... I was all for this when i realized that the illustration may be...questionable any ideas...
Yeah, in Sunday school you learn about Virgin Mary before you learn what "virgin" actually means. It does, I admit, have to do with "...questionable" things, but this one will be easy enough to do with out "questions." —Preceding signed comment added by Nicky Nouse (talk • contribs • wikia) 04:22, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is the first user-class proposal. As such, let me remind everyone what a user-class card is. During the setup phase, two decks are built. A good article is pulled from the good deck and put into play, and the decks are then shuffled. Six user access levels are set aside, and "Anonymous IP" is put into play. A user card is selected from each player's collection to represent him during the course of the game. This user card contains some special text ability that gives the player some specialty or other advantage for the entire game. When the starter sets are released, I think it would be appropriate to include two or three user cards per set of decks (that would come to a total of 110 cards per set; to include two sets in a double set (commonly known as a starter set) would imply 220 cards) to give a player some freedom in how he plays the game. Bob the Wikipedian(talk • contribs) 07:21, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps my wording wasn't clear-- what you've just proposed as an alternative sounds more powerful to me. What I meant to say was this-- any time a chemistry-related article is brought into play, it starts at "start" class instead of "stub" class, and three cJ would be awarded rather than one cJ (although we don't have to award the 2 cJ for the automatic improvement). Since each player is allowed only one User-class card per game, that keeps the effect toned down. Also-- note that per what is rule 1.7.1, an article cannot receive an edit if it has vandalism on it. Bob the Wikipedian(talk • contribs) 03:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I love the idea, but not your explanation of User cards. I was under the impression that user rights cards are not set aside; you have to have enough CJs and have found the card. Obviously, a discussion is in order, so I'll throw one together on the rules page. ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)06:17, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's one of the things I use against my left-wing friends. Not to say, however, that I am right-wing; I would like to think that I am independant of all of that crap, as I point out the flaws in everyone. ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)02:32, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So why is this a user card and not an instant? It seems like a user card should give a bonus in the course of other actions played, rather than just have an instant effect. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 20:51, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oooh, I see now, I misunderstood the text. Perhaps it would be more clear if it said "Every time you play a chemistry article, you may advance it one extra rank." Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 22:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Text: Immediately improve all chemistry-related articles in play (i.e. remove vandalism or upgrade class). All subsequent new chemistry articles start at start class instead of stub class.
We need more synergies in this game. I think we should have a number of "WikiProject" cards with similar effects to this one on different topics. I selected chemistry for this one as I've proposed a number of chemical element cards above; space would be another good one since we seem to have a glut of those article cards already. Antony–22 (talk ⁄ contribs) 20:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good observation; but a Wikipedia-class card (which remains active in the playing area once played until removed from play by a vandal) has a rule that changes the game somehow. Are you suggesting each article is improved once per round by this card? That sounds like a quick game-win to me. I'd recommend we change "all" to perhaps "up to two" in order to keep the game more balanced. Bob the Wikipedian(talk • contribs) 04:04, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose this is really a combination of an instant and a wikipedia card. The instant effect is that all chemistry articles lose one vandalism—but this happens only once so I feel this effect isn't overpowering. The permanent change is that new chemistry articles get an automatic improvement. I've also just proposed another card below (Article Alert Bot) which interacts with this and other WikiProject cards to have a similar, limited effect as you mentioned. Antony–22 (talk ⁄ contribs) 04:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Would all CJs coming as a result of extra article improvements (including the bit for new articles) go to the person who played the card? If so, I think that either this should be an EXTREMELY rare card, or it should only be like that for the instant half; for the WP-class half, it should be divided up somehow, perhaps going in a clockwise direction every turn. The CJ gain would be too easily accessible and to large, otherwise. ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)06:01, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Power card. It needs some chopping up into multiple cards. I'd keep it Wikipedia-class and get rid of the "instant" ability and chop "all" into one or two. Hi's got a very valid point-- you could unstoppably win in about 7 turns after playing this card if you've got enough chem articles in play. Bob the Wikipedian(talk • contribs) 22:39, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn't thought about the effect on cJ's. I suppose no player would get the credit for them, since the edits are ostensibly being made by other non-player members of the WikiProjects. I agree that giving the entire cJ bonus for the "instant" effect to one player would be excessive. Antony–22 (talk ⁄ contribs) 04:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like that... It just seems wrong... I am of the opinion that CJs and getting them from article improvement shouldn't be messed with (and there is a good chance that this is because I proposed the whole thing... :P). ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)05:55, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fine! I will allow this, but don't even try to convince me that messing with someone's actual CJ count is a good idea! I still oppose any card with that in mind!</rant> ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)02:51, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ignoring the fact that this step is for finding quotes, I tink you're an amazing artist but crayons/markers might make it seem like we put more than 10 seconds of work into the card while still maintaining the randomness we're trying to get across. Something about MS paint drawings just irks me for some reason. —Airhogs777 (complaints • evidence • alibi) @WikiShrek06:55, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, we need a quote too, don't we. Well, since we have no real guideline for a quote besides, ya know, being WP-related, I found a randomish WP-related quote (on WikiQuote) that made me smirk: "Individuals who have tried to edit the pages about Barack Obama — to reflect the incontrovertible fact that he is not God, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, or Ronald Reagan — report that their contributions have vanished within minutes of posting them." - L. Neil Smith, "Announcifications From Your Publicatorialist: Wikipedia, Missouri, and Ceres", 15 March 2009 —Airhogs777 (complaints • evidence • alibi) @WikiShrek07:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you really want a quote related to the card, how about "Content that, while apparently intended to mean something, is so confused that no reasonable person can be expected to make any sense of it. See schizophasia. If the meaning cannot be identified, it would be impossible to accurately copy-edit the text." by 86.142.67.57 (revision 388566230 of WP:Patent nonsense)? —Airhogs777 (complaints • evidence • alibi) @WikiShrek00:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A real work by the man known for patenting nonsense-- Pablo Picasso!
Just stopping by...hi everyone! Y'all live! I agree...some nicer illustration is in order here for sure. I bet...there's something in the Commons that is patented nonsense...how about this? Of course, we'd need to crop the litter out of it. Bob the WikipediaN(talk • contribs) 02:59, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to finish the proposal for someone else! I refuse to do such a (usually) simple task when the proposer can easily do it themselves! The fact that it is part of the proposal makes it seem idiotic that someone other than the proposer should have to do it! AGH!!! Okay, I'm done ranting now... ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)06:23, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it's a pretty good computer, a fairly good Macbook. It just can't handle pages that are quite this size, but I figured out how to get around that (but it took longer...). I once was in an edit conflict (with myself). I fixed it from there, saved it, and waited for twenty minutes. :) ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)06:41, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
Seems fine. However, maybe we want to not allow this to be used for higher-level articles? It seems that it would be sort of odd to add an infobox to make a GA an FA, since it would obviously need one to become a GA in the first place. Perhaps we should not allow it for improvements to B-class or higher? ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)06:14, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, change the link to WP:SOCK. My suggestion: "You may look very suspicious if you own a sock puppet." by Optim from the second revision of WP:SOCK. I also think there will be some pretty creepy pictures we could use on this card. —Preceding signed comment added by Airhogs777 (talk • contribs • wikia) 23:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Here ya go. Like I said, partial attribution (the first half), although the edit summary implies that it might have been copied from another part of the article... WAAAAH!!!!! *floods internet in tears* —Preceding signed comment added by Airhogs777 (talk • contribs • wikia) 05:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The quote looks fine to me. By the way, the CJ issue isn't actually an issue; you don't get them for removing vandalism. However, I don't like that we are calling this an article at all; the page linked to is a WP-space page. Last time I checked, those aren't articles, good or bad. ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)00:47, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Many people (myself included) probably won't get that at first glance; I think that we want something a bit easier to understand without putting a ton of thought to it. ~~ Hi878(Come shout at me!)00:43, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]