Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/German–Yugoslav Partisan negotiations

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Article promoted by Ian Rose (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 04:53, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

German–Yugoslav Partisan negotiations

Nominator(s): Peacemaker67 (send... over)

This article successfully went through GA, and has subsequently been tweaked. It covers controversial negotiations between the German forces in Yugoslavia and senior members of Tito's Partisans in March 1943 that went beyond prisoner swaps. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 04:00, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: I copyedited the article per my standard disclaimer. These are my edits. "The Fateful Path of the South Slav People": If the book has been translated and that's the chosen title, keep it. If not, then I'm wondering if "... one of the South Slav ethnic groups" might be a better translation. - Dank (push to talk) 17:06, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the c/e, Dan. I'll follow it up. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 05:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That is the best translation of the title. It is referring only to "the Croats", ie "The Fateful Path of the (Croats)" (to condense it a bit). Cheers, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 05:03, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I reviewed at GA and have now looked over the changes that have been made since then and believe it meets the A class criteria as well. Anotherclown (talk) 07:51, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments/suggestions: looks quite good. I made a few tweaks (please check you are happy withem) and only have a few suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 20:23, 29 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure about this point, but I wonder if the article title is descripive enough: what about "German–Yugoslav Partisan negotiations during World War II"?
  - Seems a bit too much to me. Partisans could possibly be expanded to Yugoslav Partisans, but I don't think the war is necessary. The Yugoslav Partisans are well enough known to place the negotiations during WWII.
    - "German–Yugoslav Partisan negotiations" would work for me. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 03:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think that the lead manages to explicitly outline the extent of the negotiations. For instance, something like this might work: "The negotiations - focused on obtaining a ceasefire and establishing a prisoner exchange - were used to..." (You would then need to adjust the following sentences slighlty).
  - Have incorporated your idea, let me know what you think?.
    - Looks good, cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 03:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- is there an iconic photo depicting the two forces in combat? If so, perhaps it could be added to the lead?
  - Nothing that iconic that I can use, but I've added a pic.
- "The former US diplomat Walter Roberts opined that the Abwehr were considering ..." when did he express this opinion? After the war, in his book?
  - In the book, clarified.
- this seems like editorialising (albeit minor): " The three Partisans tasked with the negotiations show the importance that the Partisans placed on the outcome".
  - It's actually from Tomasevich, I've attributed in-line.
    - Great, cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 03:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- not sure about the semi colon here: "They were; Koča Popović, Spanish Civil War veteran and.." (I'd suggest a full colon) AustralianRupert (talk) 20:23, 29 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - You're right, should be a colon. Fixed.
    - Thanks for the review, Rupert! Peacemaker67 (send... over) 02:51, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"Details of the negotiations were slow to reach the wider international community" Very few of the wider international community know about them even now. Little known to historians of the period until the 1970s?
"When the Germans launched Case Black against him in mid-May 1943, Tito realised that the short period of respite had in fact been a trap." I do not understand this. The lead suggests that the respite was to the advantage of the partisans.
A good article. Just a couple of queries. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:27, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Dudley. Will address your points tomorrow my time. Regards, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 12:10, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Dudley Miles: both points addressed. Let me know what you think about the second one? Thanks, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 22:51, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Looks fine. Dudley Miles (talk) 23:40, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

File:Kordunaški partizani.jpg Yugoslavian photograph published before 1966. Y
File:Milovan Đilas.jpg Yugoslavian photograph published before 1966. Y
File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-H04810, Joachim von Ribbentrop.jpg CC-by-SA Bundesarchiv Y
File:Walter r. roberts VOA.jpg Original source says "US government" Y
All images have valid licences. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:37, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Hawk! Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 20:50, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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