Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musical Theatre/Articles Needing Creation

Question

What's with all of the #if statements? That seems like awfully complicated coding for a really simple list... -DrGaellon (talk | contribs) 16:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Jerome Kern

There are a million Jerome Kern musicals that need creation. I don't think we need them all, but can someone who is pretty familiar with him check his page? -- Ssilvers 21:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I saw the Jerome Kern article today, and was surprised that the Princess Theatre shows weren't mentioned. They were pretty important but there's barely a mention of them. I don't really know enough to start an article, but one would be welcome. --BPMullins | Talk 01:20, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

You don't need to start an article; just add information and citations to references at Kern's article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Louis Hobson

I've created an article for the actor Louis Hobson (Next to Normal, Bonnie & Clyde) that's currently in draft space, if someone here would like to take a look and provide feedback. Apologies if I'm posting this in the wrong space! Mary Gaulke (talk) 18:08, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Notability

Just using this as an example, what else would be needed besides these sources to make the musical of Cesare considered notable?

Official site, including cast and bluray information.

News coverage: Spice, Stage Natalie, Theatertainment, TVFan, IdeaNews, Asahi Books, PR Times, Eiga.

Is it the quality or the content that determines whether these articles support notability?

Notable director, Koyama Yuna. Notable composer, Shima Ken and lyricist Ogita Kouichi. (is there a better way to link to a Wikipedia article in another language?) Notable cast: Akinori Nakagawa, Tetsuya Bessho, Taiki Yamazaki, Daisuke Yokoyama have English wikipedia pages. (Others should, Kōjirō Oka was Javert in the Les Miz CD with Bessho as Valjean). Notable venue, Meijiza. This play opened the theatre's 150th anniversary season, and it was their first original musical. They built an orchestra pit for this musical. Meijiza will be hosting the most notable productions in Japan while the Imperial Theatre is being rebuilt. Nothing provincial about it.

So, is this notable? If not, what else is needed? EncreViolette (talk) 04:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

As I indicated to you elsewhere, I would say that a work with a notable composer, lyricist, director, multiple notable cast members in a notable theatre in Tokyo will be notable, as long as there are some reviews or feature articles in WP:Reliable sources that discuss the production. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay, so is that a yes? Are the articles that I linked reliable enough? EncreViolette (talk) 04:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Another question (or really, what my first question was). Where is the line drawn?

What about something with a notable director and a new composer, and cast members who have had lead roles in niche productions?

Can I go creating pages for all the major cast members of Touken Ranbu stage plays who have had lead roles in other things? I saw pages get cut because they were just a list of roles. How many roles on a list have to be leads in major productions in order for the page to not have to feature a lot of biographical information? Is translating biographical information from the Japanese page okay?

If someone has a page in Japanese, can I just translate it? EncreViolette (talk) 04:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I have no way of knowing whether these sources will be considered WP:Reliable sources. Read the guideline carefully, and you will know much better than me. A reliable news source generally has an editorial board that does fact-checking and gives other indicia of reliability. Also it cannot be on the Wikipedia blacklist. If they are mainstream news sources that generally review or write independently about theatre, then they would be RSs. Again, for good examples of musical theatre articles, see Carousel (musical), The King and I and other musical theatre WP:Featured articles. Line drawing is a matter of judgment and experience. I'll say it again, you have to balance the factors that will help you decide: Notable creators, director, cast members, long run, major venue in major theatre market, many revivals/subsequent productions -- you don't need all of these, but you need enough, and people will have to be satisfied that it ticks enough boxes. As I said, start with the most obviously notable ones and work your way down. You'll get the hang of it and be able to make a good guess as to whether it will survive a notability challenge. The question is: is the topic of encyclopedic interest to a general encyclopedia reader who does not live in Japan? As for translating, the translated article will not be automatically notable -- English Wikipedia has stricter standards than most of the other Wikipedias. So you need to apply the same criteria. For individual people, they need significant coverage: if a person is really encyclopedically important, someone will write a feature article about him/her in a WP:RS that gives biographical info, or after he/she dies, they will have obituaries in newspapers and theatre papers. So not WP:COATRACK. See also WP:NOTPROMO. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)