Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The KLF/Archive 2
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Charts
You were asking about citable chart numbers? I've been using [1] for Billboard (linked directly to KLF entries) but my main source for the UK charts doesn't cover the KLF era. The information is out there somewhere, though, I'm sure. (I've always been a bit annoyed that there is no centralized UK charts database. However, if we were talking about any other countries, we'd be having even more serious problems.) –Unint 22:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- The Guinness Book(s) of Hit Singles/Albums in a good old fashioned library then I guess! --kingboyk 03:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- I've got the Guinness Singles book - all our information is correct as per this. It's charts other than UK/US that look to be the major problem. I'll make some enquiries at various Wikipedia pages. --Vinoir 09:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- Anywhere where we use chart data which is in that book, we ought to cite it either as a footnote, or as a general reference. It's good to have a source for data, and it looks even more professional when it's from a book. --kingboyk 13:59, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- I guess the info should be added to the discography, which would mean changing the template first. (Oh, by the way, I've put a mini discography back into The KLF). --kingboyk 09:19, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- I've got the Guinness Singles book - all our information is correct as per this. It's charts other than UK/US that look to be the major problem. I'll make some enquiries at various Wikipedia pages. --Vinoir 09:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- User:Derek R Bullamore just left me the following awesome link: http://www.lanet.lv/misc/charts/ --Vinoir 19:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Formats and track listings
In Justified and Ancient, I've kept the single formats/track listings section, as per the guidelines. I've put these in a table for succinctness, since the information readily lends itself to a tabular format. I personally think that it's a clear way of delivering the information, and that we should consider using it across the single articles. What do you reckon?
On a more general note, I'll be able to put in some major graft on some of the outstanding tasks in the next couple of days (most likely Wednesday), such as Wanda/grafitti/adverts, uploads and cleanup. --Vinoir 16:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- I like it, but is it sufficiently intelligible for the average Joe? (not a rhetorical question). Great stuff on your availability, I'm all edited out so I look forward to it :) --kingboyk 16:21, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think it's okay for average Joe - it's reasonably clear. "Justified and Ancient" got through the 'good article' process with it, though, so presumably it suffices?
On a separate but related note, I see that www.klf.de is down. Hope it's not permanent!--Vinoir 16:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)- Aye, it passed so we should probably use that format for all of our articles. Tables look good too! --kingboyk 16:10, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Welcome to the new WikiProject
Since we already had a centralised discussion at Category talk:The KLF which was akin to a WikiProject, and as we now have a Featured Article under our belt, I thought it was time to formalise our efforts as a micro-WikiProject. Welcome! --kingboyk 12:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- Wonderful idea mate. As usual your momentum-gathering organisational skills are shining. --Vinoir 10:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia 1.0
Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Index_of_subjects#So.2C_how_do_we_use_it.3F is worth a look/perhaps watchlisting. --kingboyk 11:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- I've created Category:The KLF articles by quality, as much out of interest in seeing if/how the bot picks it up than anything else. As stated at Category talk:The KLF articles by quality, I don't think we need to waste our time assessing articles which aren't GA or FA, but when we get new GAs/FAs we may as well tag them. (I might create modified talk page templates to do it, for now I've just plonked each talk page into the relevent category). --kingboyk 11:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- OK, here's an idea. Add an optional parameter to {{WPKLF}}. If the parameter is "FA" or "GA", the FA/GA category is used. If the param is missing, the article goes into an (as yet uncreated) "unassessed" category. I'll see if I can find a way to code such a solution... --kingboyk 12:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- Done! Woot! See {{WPKLF}} for usage instructions :) --kingboyk 12:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC) And for an even bigger woot see what I've done (with some help from Lar) at {{WPBeatles}}! :) --kingboyk 20:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- Excellent stuff. --Vinoir 04:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Have a gander at the bot-created table and stats I've transcluded onto the Project page. Now is that cool or what?! Target of course is for all "unassessed" to become GA/FA :) --kingboyk 11:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- I wonder if that'll be some kind of first if we achieve it? --Vinoir 13:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Heh, maybe - but perhaps we ought to bear in mind that Military History has over 6800 articles (79 of which are FA, and 41 of which are GA). We on the other hand have 40 articles! Of course, there's only 2 seriously editors active here, and we're already at 6/40 (you do the maths, please!) which I reckon is a pretty good percentage. --kingboyk 14:28, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Actually only 37 now, as I've removed some redirects from the unassessed category by retagging their talk pages with {{WPKLF|x}}. On that note, I'm thinking of creating a Category:KLF redirects category to track our redirects. Would be useful or not? --kingboyk 10:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- I wonder if that'll be some kind of first if we achieve it? --Vinoir 13:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Have a gander at the bot-created table and stats I've transcluded onto the Project page. Now is that cool or what?! Target of course is for all "unassessed" to become GA/FA :) --kingboyk 11:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Excellent stuff. --Vinoir 04:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Done! Woot! See {{WPKLF}} for usage instructions :) --kingboyk 12:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC) And for an even bigger woot see what I've done (with some help from Lar) at {{WPBeatles}}! :) --kingboyk 20:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- OK, here's an idea. Add an optional parameter to {{WPKLF}}. If the parameter is "FA" or "GA", the FA/GA category is used. If the param is missing, the article goes into an (as yet uncreated) "unassessed" category. I'll see if I can find a way to code such a solution... --kingboyk 12:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
<-- After removal of redirects from Category:WikiProject The KLF articles and the addition of the Big in Japan and Transit Kings articles, we now have 37 articles and 105 redirects. I imagine that with articles for 45, Bad Wisdom, Down Town and Burn The Bastards we'll back up to ~40. We might want out to kick out (the JAMs? no)... kick out the Big in Japan and other peripheral articles later if they're preventing us from getting 100% GA/FA (cue Dick Dastardly laugh). --kingboyk 14:17, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- Smart. 7/37 articles is 19%. And a few more coming soon, hopefully. --Vinoir 10:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Article classifications
After seeing what Mathbot could do, I figured why not classify all of the articles? I think it's a great way of keeping track of where we're at, as with the simple retagging of each talk page we get a pretty table which is updated every night. I've also given the 1st batch of articles an importance rating and will do the rest today or tommorow.
If you disagree with me on quality or importance, by all means feel free to change them - it was a rush job anyway! Also you can add your own comment if you like but keep them short. Likewise, if an article improves to the extent that it moves up a grade it needs to be reclassified. How to change:
- To change the classification, edit the {{WPKLF}} tag on the article's talk page. See instructions at Template:WPKLF.
- To make a comment or alter the importance, edit Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/The KLF articles by quality.
- If you want to keep track of Mathbot's work, watchlist these: Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/The KLF articles by quality, Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/The KLF articles by quality log, Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/The KLF articles by quality statistics.
Very cool stuff. I hope nobody thinks we're taking the piss by using the system for such a small Project, but I think (so far) on the contrary, they're happy to have guinea pigs :) --kingboyk 07:48, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- I won't be offended if you make wholesale changes to "importance", as it's entirely possible I've messed it up big time. Note that I've purposefully not rated anything as "low-class" because I've been told that's for the truly banal/trivial, and we don't have any of those (thanks to good management of course! :)). --kingboyk 08:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- That's really great organisation. I like it a lot. I made a handful of changes to importance, mostly concerning the recordings, hope that's okay. I agree with most of the classifications. Very impressive. --Vinoir 10:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, at least some of those were... erm... intentional mistakes to see if you're on the ball or not! How could Chill Out be Mid-class?! Doh! Feel free to add comments for uncommented articles or additions to the comments I've already made. --kingboyk 10:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- That's really great organisation. I like it a lot. I made a handful of changes to importance, mostly concerning the recordings, hope that's okay. I agree with most of the classifications. Very impressive. --Vinoir 10:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
K2 Plant Hire
I'm increasingly feeling that K2 Plant Hire should redirect to "Fuck the Millennium". After all, it followed the cessation of K Foundation's activities (the Tenant's Super incident being KF's last gesture), and K2's activities are related to the FTM project, from the placing of ads to the proposed demolition of Stonehenge. The only aspect of K2 of which I'm not sure is whether the Rollright Stones bid was as K2 or not, or whether it had any bearing on the millennium project. If we redirected (after the nomination process), the ==K2 Plant Hire== section of FTM would need expanding but it wouldn't impact on other sections. What do you think? --Vinoir 11:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- You're increasingly feeling that K2 Plant Hire should redirect to "Fuck the Millennium", because that's where you've been writing it! :P
- I think, yes, but leave a section in the K Foundation article (because it covers their "art" activities) and use a {{main}}. I'll get to it now. --kingboyk 11:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Barnstar
I've awarded a Barnstar to User:Drstuey for his work on KLF articles and for his creation of the Library of Mu.[2] --kingboyk 13:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thoroughly deserved too. --Vinoir 13:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Newspaper sources
I was hoping to get a confirmed date for the James Anderton quote used in All You Need Is Love (The JAMs) whereupon I discovered that I have online access to a database of most UK newspaper articles going back several years!! (but not, alas, to the 1980s). As I will be here for less than a week now, I'll try to grab as many citations as I can. Those I can't use immediately I'll place on this page. (To this end, I've just stubbed up 45 (book), as there are a lot of reviews of that book showing up). --kingboyk 12:28, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- That's fantastic news, good work. Out of interest, did you manage to confirm that Anderton date? --Vinoir 12:43, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- Not yet. I didn't get any further than typing in "klf" and getting back nearly 600 results! You can see the first fruits in 45 (book). The Anderton quote might involve going to the library and seeing if they keep old Guardians or Times (I imagine they do). --kingboyk 12:46, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Grrrrr... got a BSOD whilst I had loads of articles open in Firefox tabs. Now I shall have to start again, or risk missing out on articles I hadn't used :( --kingboyk 15:46, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oh man, nightmare. Well, the joy of creating one of the best KLF resources is yours forever, bear that in mind. :) --Vinoir 16:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- By the way, I will also be creating some kind of table of articles cited soon, on the project talk page probably, I'm not 100% sure why but I feel it must be of benefit to know what we have and (through missing Mu resource numbers) haven't got. --Vinoir 16:20, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- I suppose I ought to be pumping new articles into the Library of Mu really. Hmm. Does it have a submission page? As for your list, I'd suggesting putting it into a project sub page, such as Wikipedia:WikiProject The KLF/List of citations, Wikipedia:WikiProject The KLF/List of articles cited, Wikipedia:WikiProject The KLF/Citations, whatever... not sure why we'd want it but if it floats your boat go for it! :) --kingboyk 16:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I've grabbed all 570 results for "klf" (give or take a few), and the result is a 6MB zip file. Send me an email with your new email address Vinoir, and I'll forward it to you (but if you will use it for Wikipedia work let's agree some sort of strategy so we don't duplicate our efforts). I'll also offer a copy to Stuart for the Library of Mu. --kingboyk 10:38, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- Nice one, you're a star. Will do... --Vinoir 11:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- Arse! I just discovered that a load of em got error pages. Dammit. --kingboyk 12:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- OK, hopefully they worked second time round, and a copy is en route to you, Vinoir, now. Of course the objective is to cite uncited facts and to add anything fantastic/amazing to articles, not pad out unnecessarily any existing articles which are already of a good length. There's a lot of text there, not sure how to proceed... I guess when I get home and next have a moment I will, for my part, read through and delete the garbage and articles I've already used, which are in the Library of Mu, etc, and see how many remain. --kingboyk 15:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- Arse! I just discovered that a load of em got error pages. Dammit. --kingboyk 12:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
potential FAs
hi, just browsed this cool project as requested... klf discography could easily become a "featured list" once the chart position question marks are filled in or removed... k foundation is already close to FA material... surprised that their biggest chart hits (3am, last train, wtil and justified) are not marked with "(FA)" - maybe no sources exist? same with white room... doctorin the tardis is probably best bet for a song to become FA mainly because the title doesnt contains swearing!... finally anything can be put on peer review at any time so why not just put all the ones marked (FA) on there straight away? cheers. Zzzzz 15:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks again, Zzzzz, very much appreciated. We haven't ruled out their big hits as FA candidates yet, it's just that we haven't ruled 'em in... "3 a.m." in particular is a bit rough. I guess if "WTIL" and "FTM" get through GA (they surely should!) we can put 'em straight up for peer review. With "Doctorin'" and "Justified and Ancient" there's still some identified work outstanding. --Vinoir 17:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks zzzzz. I don't think the "bad language" would prevent an FA (I've checked the criteria, and it would go against the "Wikipedia is not censored" mantra). It would of course mean they can't get on the front page but, in all honesty, I doubt they would make that anyway. I'm well aware that we're documenting a weird and to many people obscure band :) We should get the yay or nay on the current GAs today or tommorow Vinoir, as they're at the front of the queue. I think WTIL? is a bit "technical" at the moment, FTM and All You Need are better. 1987 is pretty good too. --kingboyk 10:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
FACs
See this thread: Wikipedia_talk:Peer_review#Multiple_requests_for_peer_review.2FFACs. Basically, we can have one FAC each at a time. --kingboyk 09:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Okay by me. We'll have to make it clear when we nominate FTM that we appreciate its potential unavailability for the front page. --Vinoir 17:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Which reminds me. Given that the name is 50/50, it might be better to switch the article and the redirect, i.e. name the article ***K the Millennium (capital K??). Wikipedia isn't censored but since we don't know the name for sure, I think err on the side of not offending anybody. Just say the word and I can delete the redirect and move the page. --kingboyk 18:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, (thinking aloud) Drummond calls it "Fuck the Millennium", but the song seems to be either "***K the Millennium" or "***k the Millennium". Okay, if you think it's better that way round, go for it. --Vinoir 19:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hehe, well, gosh, now I don't know! Bill ought to know what his own song is called! --kingboyk 19:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well that's right, but I've never seen an official track listing calling it "Fuck the Millennium". That said, the article covers not just the single but the full 2K and K2 enterprise, which is definitely better described as "Fuck the Millennium". I would rather leave it be for now. --Vinoir 21:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- In that case, the intro probably needs a rewording, as it currently says the article is about the song whereas really it's about the whole shebang, of which the single was only part. --kingboyk 09:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, good point. I'll see to it. --Vinoir 09:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- In that case, the intro probably needs a rewording, as it currently says the article is about the song whereas really it's about the whole shebang, of which the single was only part. --kingboyk 09:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well that's right, but I've never seen an official track listing calling it "Fuck the Millennium". That said, the article covers not just the single but the full 2K and K2 enterprise, which is definitely better described as "Fuck the Millennium". I would rather leave it be for now. --Vinoir 21:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hehe, well, gosh, now I don't know! Bill ought to know what his own song is called! --kingboyk 19:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, (thinking aloud) Drummond calls it "Fuck the Millennium", but the song seems to be either "***K the Millennium" or "***k the Millennium". Okay, if you think it's better that way round, go for it. --Vinoir 19:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Which reminds me. Given that the name is 50/50, it might be better to switch the article and the redirect, i.e. name the article ***K the Millennium (capital K??). Wikipedia isn't censored but since we don't know the name for sure, I think err on the side of not offending anybody. Just say the word and I can delete the redirect and move the page. --kingboyk 18:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Action plan?
Here's a list of the KLF Communications music articles which need more work and then hopefully nomination at Wikipedia:Good articles/Nominations. I know this duplicates the project list, but it also attempts to create an action plan. Perhaps we could concentrate on one horizontal row of the table at a time and work our way through, striking them gleefully off as we go? --Vinoir 10:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- Excellent!
Maybe this should go onto the Project page in place of the current list? (The list that's there than can be pasted back into talk archive 1 from whence it came).
- I think perhaps the list of songs and albums should be in chrono order, and we just work through either oldest first or newest first? Bring them all up to "Good" status, and when we're done see if any are contenders for FA status? --kingboyk 11:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yes. The rule of thumb seems to be that for featured an article should be >25kb. "Fuck the Millennium" may be eligible, not sure about the other singles and albums. The discography and K Foundation articles will be eligible. Okay, we'll go for chronological order shall we? I may still be working on "Millennium" because its been in my brain a lot. And talking of brain, I was perusing www.penkiln-burn.com earlier. What a head-spinner. Have you seen "The 17" stuff? --Vinoir 12:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- Chrono for the list, certainly - please do the honours. I've rejigged FTM as you'll no doubt have noticed/will notice. It was a random hotchpotch of facts and quotes - hopefully it has a nicer flow now :) I was looking at Bill's site a couple of weeks ago - a nice site I thought. I'm not sure what "The 17" is though? Please enlighten me... --kingboyk 12:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- It's his idea of a freeform choir, comprising 17 people who may or may not be able to sing. He has written 17 "scores" for them, all of which are just markedly bizarre instructions. --Vinoir 13:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Chrono for the list, certainly - please do the honours. I've rejigged FTM as you'll no doubt have noticed/will notice. It was a random hotchpotch of facts and quotes - hopefully it has a nicer flow now :) I was looking at Bill's site a couple of weeks ago - a nice site I thought. I'm not sure what "The 17" is though? Please enlighten me... --kingboyk 12:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yes. The rule of thumb seems to be that for featured an article should be >25kb. "Fuck the Millennium" may be eligible, not sure about the other singles and albums. The discography and K Foundation articles will be eligible. Okay, we'll go for chronological order shall we? I may still be working on "Millennium" because its been in my brain a lot. And talking of brain, I was perusing www.penkiln-burn.com earlier. What a head-spinner. Have you seen "The 17" stuff? --Vinoir 12:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Will you sort the articles into date and/or priority order mate? Or do you want to finish FTM first? --kingboyk 14:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Happy to, of course, but which list(s) are you referring to? The ones under "Projects"? --Vinoir 10:39, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yes. Glad you're back as I've been wondering what to do next! --kingboyk 10:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm. I'll finish up FTM (still working on a sample, I think it can be nominated for GA without one though, and if I get the .OGG online before it's reviewed then all the better). I currently know too little about The Man to confidently tackle it, so I guess AYNIL should be the next port of call? That's not far off nomination either. I feel a duty to start improving the Drummond and Cauty articles as well, but this is daunting. --Vinoir 10:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- (computer is playing up, I cannot use certain punctuation or the clipboard!) Ive been told that FTM - and possibly Doctorin - are not too short for FACs. Something to bear in mind as we go forward. --kingboyk 11:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm. I'll finish up FTM (still working on a sample, I think it can be nominated for GA without one though, and if I get the .OGG online before it's reviewed then all the better). I currently know too little about The Man to confidently tackle it, so I guess AYNIL should be the next port of call? That's not far off nomination either. I feel a duty to start improving the Drummond and Cauty articles as well, but this is daunting. --Vinoir 10:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yes. Glad you're back as I've been wondering what to do next! --kingboyk 10:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I've done what I can on the first 6 7 articles. I guess now I need you to do your thang starting from #1 and I'll copyedit/comment behind you. We ought to get at least a couple of GA noms and maybe an experimental peer review out of that batch. --kingboyk 14:09, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- Bump! --kingboyk 13:21, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- You've done good work mate. I'm in job application land big-style at the mo, so not able to do loads at present, but I'm not disappearing anywhere. --Vinoir 13:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- OK, as long as you're with the programme :) Let's get these articles bashed out and get lives back! Anyway, best of luck with the job apps. --kingboyk 13:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks! Here's some Down Town for a start (to be continued, of course). --Vinoir 18:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Most excellent sir! How fortunate we are that Mr Drummond is so eminently quotable :) "as a dog returneth to his vomit so a fool returneth to his folly". Hah! --kingboyk 19:41, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks! Here's some Down Town for a start (to be continued, of course). --Vinoir 18:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- OK, as long as you're with the programme :) Let's get these articles bashed out and get lives back! Anyway, best of luck with the job apps. --kingboyk 13:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- You've done good work mate. I'm in job application land big-style at the mo, so not able to do loads at present, but I'm not disappearing anywhere. --Vinoir 13:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I think the first 10 listed mostly involve minor jobs and then Wikipedia processes (GA/peer review/FAC). We might consider for the rest approaching them based on importance rather than chronology, if you fancy a change. That would, of course, mean having to face the big jobs (the solo articles and K Foundation). I don't think I can tackle them without working through the newspaper articles I downloaded first, whereas a lot of the recordings articles are just tweaking. Up to you. --kingboyk 09:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- I guess we could have the K Foundation articles, Drummond and Cauty on the go while working through the recordings...? That would probably help keep a fairly wide perspective on things. --Vinoir 11:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Doreen Waddell
[3] Died in 2002 (see 2002 in music). Apparently was one of the J&A singers. Know anything about this/her? --kingboyk 12:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- No, I've never heard of her! Interesting. Do you know which version she sung on? ("Hey Hey" or the single?) --Vinoir 12:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- Not offhand, no. Oh, another one who links to The KLF - and doesn't she get a mention on The White Room sleeve?? - but who we don't link to from anywhere is P. P. Arnold. --kingboyk 13:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- That's right. She's "Mu Mu" and backing vocals on "Church of The KLF". I guess she deserves a mention. --Vinoir 14:52, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- Not offhand, no. Oh, another one who links to The KLF - and doesn't she get a mention on The White Room sleeve?? - but who we don't link to from anywhere is P. P. Arnold. --kingboyk 13:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Guerrilla communication links to The KLF, and I wonder if we ought to link back from The KLF and/or K Foundation. "The terms guerrilla communication and communication guerrilla refer to unconventional forms of communication and/or intervention in more conventional processes of communication.... forms of guerrilla communication include adbusting, graffiti, hacktivism (notably cyber squatting), and reclaiming." Added bold (wtf is "adbusting"?). --kingboyk 12:52, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- Definitely, I'll get it into a couple of the articles. --Vinoir 12:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Such articles make me go cold, so I dunno how important it is and whether worthy of a mention or not. It seems there's an anime which has reused various words and phrases from dance music, including "KLF". Could be mentioned in "Influence" or you could choose to walk on by... :) --kingboyk 13:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- What a long article that is. I don't think the mention of KLF is sufficiently noteworthy for us. --Vinoir 14:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Land of Oz
A nice quote from Alex Paterson about the Land of Oz sessions, lifted from The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld which we might want to borrow in whole or in part. Probably for Space, or perhaps Chill Out. Saving here as a reminder. Oh, btw, the venue of these ambient DJ sets? The White Room at Heaven. (I've been to the chillout room at that club... have I been to The White Room?! hmm...)
Paterson says:
“ | "We'd build melodies up by overdubbing and mixing multiple tracks and then take an eight track (or was it a twelve track?) into Heaven, just linking it up to three decks [turntables], loads of CD players, loads of cassettes... we used to keep it very, very quiet. We never used to play any drums in there. It'd be, just like, you know, BBC sound effects, really... four or five hours playing really early dub reggae... For All Mankind [a documentary of NASA's Apollo missions, with a soundtrack by Brian Eno]. We had white screens so we could put up visuals as well. We had home movies of ducks in the park. We'd go for everything. It was all layering on top of each other. "[1] | ” |
Also a URL: http://www.thedjlist.com/djs/PAUL_OAKENFOLD/ --kingboyk 18:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- It gets better and better! And I think that you have been to The White Room, man! Were the Mu Mu at play, as per "No More Tears"? :) We'll have to mention the name of the "chill out" room. --Vinoir 19:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I've created this nifty new template, Template:Todo-Named to include our Todo lists here. I've placed a few onto the Project page in A-Z order as a test. Like it or not? If you like, please add a few more... I'm too busy to do all 40 right now. (Have WP:BEATLES to take care of as well!) :) --kingboyk 10:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I like it a lot, thanks, it's really useful. You're good with these scripts. --Vinoir 14:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. You can call me "Mr Logic" :) Have a look at the code in {{WPBeatles}} if you want to see some really gruesome scripting! --kingboyk 14:51, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- I think there are so many that it's hard to read, and therefore doesn't help productivity. Perhaps we should put them into sections by article type, or just have the articles we're currently working on?
- I'll carry on with my media trawl, when you have a moment could you have a look at 1987 and other peer review issues? --kingboyk 17:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
The KLF's later work
I'm hoping we can soon leave The JAMs behind and get onto Chill Out, The White Room, the Stadium House trilogy, etc. After listening to some of the later work yesterday I'm worried that our articles give the impression that The KLF were soulless, plagiarising piss takers. Of course on the latter 2 charges they were often guilty, but Chill Out is a work of beauty, and so is The White Room in my opinion - and not just in my opinion either, Chill Out was Mixmag's #5 album of all time!! Just a little note to remind us to restore some balance when we get onto the later works: most people have never heard The JAMs, and a lot of JAMs work was conceptually interesting but otherwise crap... --kingboyk 09:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- That's absolutely right. That said, I've always admired the production and sound of "Whitney" and "Down Town", and while writing, I've certainly gotten to appreciate the whole lot except for "Rockman Rock (Parts 2 and 3)" which is diabolically atrocious. But Space, Chill Out and The White Room are inspirational long-playing masterpieces full of originality and light. I'm waiting for a burst of inspiration to complete the Who Killed The JAMs? article, and Disco 2000 isn't be too far away from completion either. I'm also working off-line on something for the ==Context== section of Chill Out, which will probably be added this evening. --Vinoir 10:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Resumed my trawl through the ProQuest media clippings today, and found a quote about Bill I wished to use. This inspired me to refactor his article and write a synopsis of his career from the 70s through to The Timelords (rest to follow). I've brought in some of the key quotes, and have sections in place to take new material, such as details of his various art "jobs". I think this way of building an article is pretty good, so if you fancy tackling Jimmy Cauty in a similar fashion go for it! :) --kingboyk 18:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Alexander Coe (DJ Sasha)
Hey KLF guys! Just wanted to say that an article I've been working on is up for peer review (Wikipedia:Peer review/Alexander Coe/archive1) if you guys would like to add anything. Anyways, I used your The KLF article as a basic template and starting point for the work I've done. Just wanted to say thanks for some great work on that article and contributions to electronic music in general. Cheers! Wickethewok 04:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Could you do something about this page? Make it at least a solid stub, merge, redirect, delete? —Centrx→talk • 02:57, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- A redirect is fine for now. The page was created by a new user; we'd planned to tackle the KLF films as a single article at least initially. --kingboyk 21:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Changes to {{WPKLF}}
Please note that I have made some major changes to {{WPKLF}}. In summary they are:
- Switched to named parameters, so instead of {{WPKLF|FA|Top}} we now need to enter {{WPKLF|class=FA|importance=Top}}
- Incorporated the article and classification categories of the electronic music, biography, album and song WikiProjects, and messages about scope. What does this achieve? It means our articles are already assessed for multiple projects, and it means we have only one WikiProject template on our talk pages not many.
--kingboyk 22:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/The KLF discography. --kingboyk 12:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/All You Need Is Love (The JAMs song). --kingboyk 10:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- ^ David Toop Ocean of Sound. London: Serpent's Tail, 1995