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Important Wine Project discussion needs input!

Hello, the Wine Project is currently in the process of hammering out a proposed policy relating to Wikipedia:Notability (wine topics). As Wikipedia and its wine coverage continues to grow, the need for a clear, concise guideline on how Wikipedia's notability policies such as WP:CORP, WP:SIGCOV and WP:NOTE relate to wine articles has emerged. Please review the proposed policy and take part in the talk page discussion Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(wine_topics)#Ready_to_go_live.3F. All input and view points are welcomed. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 22:01, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Personal attacks

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WP:FN

I think you may have misunderstood the guidelines that citations go a specific place with regard to punctuation [1]. It is OK for a cite to be attached to a word or phrase without punctuation - cites don't need to be moved to the nearest following period or comma. It is when a cite coincides with punctuation that the guidelines apply. Gimmetrow 18:30, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

BK products PR

I am very sorry to have forgotten your request. Thanks for the reminder - I will take another look in the next few hours. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Book

BTW, don't forget to add {{Wikipedia-Books|Burger King}} to relevant articles, otherwise no one will know the book exists. It produdes the box on the right. Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 05:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Ospina Coffee

Hi Jerem. This is Grancafe. I posted an article on Ospina Coffee Company back in December, but I am having problems keeping it as it is (not to mention what it was). Ikip has refred me to you. I might need your help as I have an editor Flowanda asking questions that I have no idea how to answer. I am brand new to Wikipedia, have no idea how to navigate this laberynth and I am cyber-space phobic. Please see the article and the editors objections(Talk:Ospina Coffee Company), perhaps you can help me editing. Thank you very much for your help. I am looking forward to hearing from you soon. Best, --Grancafé (talk) 03:41, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello Jerem, I just saw your posting of January 29, 2010, addressing Flowanda's objections. Thank you very much for such a nice, articulated and eloquent response. I truly appreciate your kindness, prompt response and insight. Gracias. Best, --Grancafé (talk) 02:50, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Food_and_drink on signpost

Hi Jerem43. I see you are involved in this project. Would you be willing to be interviewed about the project for SignPost? Could you suggest a few other names as well (so that we get some breadth in coverage)? The interview will be published around February 15th. Do let me know. Regards. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 04:04, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

On second thoughts, scratch that. I just noticed that you were interviewed a short while ago. Apologies. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 04:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Domino's Pizza + YouTube videos

Hi Jerem43, last August you had removed a section[2] from the Domino's Pizza article about an incident whereby two employees had "compromised" customer orders and posted the evidence on YouTube. Within the past few weeks, a version of this has returned (see the penultimate paragraph here) even though, of course, more time has passed and there have been no further developments. If you still believe the matter is not significant enough for inclusion in the entry, would you consider removing it again? I ask you because Domino's is a client of my employer and with that potential conflict of interest, I am probably not the best person to make that particular edit. Let me know when you find a moment. Cheers, NMS Bill (talk) 16:59, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Just saw the page has been updated. Many thanks. NMS Bill (talk) 12:53, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

The History of Ospina Coffee

Hello Jeremy. I am wondering if you might have the time to rewiew these two paragraphs that Flowand removed from the main article.

In December of 1930, the Fourth National Congress of Coffee Growers convened in Bogotá. Due to the vast knowledge and experience acquired by Mariano Ospina Pérez in the coffee industry, as a result of running his own coffee business, he was summoned by the Minister of Industry Francisco J. Chaux and by President Rafael Olaya Herrera to preside over this Congress. Ospina Pérez was elected President of this Fourth Congress. At the adjournment of this Congress, Ospina Pérez was elected, by the unanimous vote of the delegates, as “Gerente de la Federación” (General Director). He served in this position for four years, until 1934.

In 1954, during the election of members of the Board of Directors (of the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia), Mariano Ospina Pérez, who served as President of the Republic from 1946 to 1950, was elected and installed as President of the Board of Directors. His return to the Federation marked the reappearance of one of Colombia's greatest coffee names, in an active role, in the History of Colombia's coffee industry.

I have only been editing for just over a month and have no encyclopedic experience. Flowanda has been vehemently opposed to this article. Could you please review these two paragraphs, in light of her objections, and please let me know your thoughts. Would it be appropriate to place them back in the article or do you find them inappropriate? Thanks for your help, comments and advice. Best, --Grancafé (talk) 23:44, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Removed Paragraphs

Hi Jeremy. Thank you for taking the time to review these two paragraphs and your comments. I would like to ask you to please further review my point of view. This was my direct response to Flowanda:

Hello Flowanda, I just noticed the changes, deletions and adjustments to the article. Thank you very much for your most valuable help and contributions. I am an amateur in these matters, and thus, I truly appreciate your insightful work. Nevertheless, I am not convinced of all the deletions you made. I don't agree with a few of the changes and deletions, but most important to me, the section on the Colombian Coffee Federation was cut down from 7 paragraphs to 5, omitting the history of 1930 and 1954. This deletion is unfounded, in my opinion. Both paragraphs are substantiated and the reference comes directly from Mr. Diego Pizano's book, who is currently one of the top Executives of the Federation.

"In December of 1930, the Fourth National Congress of Coffee Growers convened in Bogotá. Due to the vast knowledge and experience acquired by Mariano Ospina Pérez in the coffee industry, as a result of running his own coffee business, he was summoned by the Minister of Industry Francisco J. Chaux and by President Rafael Olaya Herrera to preside over this Congress. Ospina Pérez was elected President of this Fourth Congress. At the adjournment of this Congress, Ospina Pérez was elected, by the unanimous vote of the delegates, as “Gerente de la Federación” (General Director). He served in this position for four years, until 1934.[40][41]"

"In 1954, during the election of members of the Board of Directors (of the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia), Mariano Ospina Pérez, who served as President of the Republic from 1946 to 1950, was elected and installed as President of the Board of Directors. His return to the Federation marked the reappearance of one of Colombia's greatest coffee names, in an active role, in the History of Colombia's coffee industry.[23][42]" 42. ^ El Café en la Ecrucijada, Evolución y Perspectivas, Diego Pizano, Editorial Alfaomega, Bogotá, August 2001, Page 31, ISBN 958-682-192-7"

In my opinion, these two paragraphs are essential to the story, not only because it emphasizes the knowledge and experience of Mariano Ospina Pérez in the coffee industry, which he successfully acquired by running his own coffee business. The History of Ospina Coffee Company an the history of the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia are profoundly interrelated and, as most historians (Andres Uribe, Jorge Melo and Diego Pizano) truly and properly point it out, they are almost one and the same. They are so interwoven that one story cannot be separated or isolated from the other.

Why would these two paragraphs be removed? Specially if they are substantiated by the Federation itself? Why was the reference of "El Café en la Ecrucijada, Evolución y Perspectivas, Diego Pizano, Editorial Alfaomega, Bogotá, August 2001, Page 31, ISBN 958-682-192-7" completely removed? I might be wrong, but I see no purpose or meaning.

I would like you to please reexamine these two paragraphs and reincorporate them to the article. In my humble opinion, without these two paragraphs, the story and the History will not be complete. Kindly please advise. Thanks, --Grancafé --Grancafé 17:50, 23 January 2010 (UTC) --Grancafé 17:50, 23 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grancafe (talk • contribs)

One more thing, when reviewing and reconsidering these two paragraphs, please keep in mind that five prominent members of the Ospina family and Ospina coffee were heavenly involved in the creation, organization and administration of the Colombian Coffee Federation. They were Mariano, Pastor, Tulio, Rafael and Mariano Ospina Perez. The Federation exist because of their acumen, vision, conscience, knowledge and experience obtained in running their family coffee enterprise. There is no other family, group or business in Colombia so directly and decisively involved in the establishment of this institution. The Federation exist because the Ospinas and their coffee enterprise. The Federation is a direct byproduct of Ospina coffee and perhaps the greatest achievement of the Ospina family in favor of the coffee industry of Colombia and the coffee growers. Accuracy also requires completeness and wholeness. Thank you very much, --Grancafe (talk) 05:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Dear Flowanda, please allow me further elaborate here. What I am trying to convey and stress with these two paragraphs is the fact that if the Government, the Federation and the coffee growers of Colombia trusted Mariano Ospina Pérez to run the affairs of the nation’s coffee industry, it was because of his experience, knowhow and successful achievements, proven in the handling of his Ospina coffee business. These two paragraphs are not my words. These are direct quotes from the sources and references. It is essential to explain that his unanimous election to these positions was due to his administrative and entrepreneurial successes in his private coffee business and personal affairs. Thanks for your consideration. Best, --Grancafé (talk) 00:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Please realize the close relationship between Ospina Coffee, the Colombian Coffee Federation and the Ospinas, in particular the leadership and administration of Mariano Ospina Perez. The Federation exists because the Ospinas and Ospina Coffee and not the other way around, Ospina Coffee because of the Coffee Federation.

Also, I did see the article on Mariano Ospina Perez. How come this article may stand with only one reference?? The article on Ospina Coffee has more than thirty references. Why is this?

Thank you very much for your help, time and consideration. Best, --Grancafé (talk) 12:10, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Mariano Ospina Perez

Hi Jeremy. Per your suggestion and recommendation, I did place the paragraphs regarding Mariano Ospina Perez in reference to the Colombian Federation of Coffee Growers. I think this gas a terrific idea. Thanks! --Grancafé (talk) 13:30, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Ospina Coffee and the Colombian Coffee Federation

Hi Jeremy, Largoplazo just deleted and removed an entire section of the main article Ospina Coffee Company. In my opinion, this has mutilated the article and I am wondering if he has an ulterior motive. Please review his edit, comment and advice. Where do I raise this matter for further discussion?? There has to be a higher authority than these random editors. Kindly please tell me how to elevate the level of discussion on this matter. To whom do I appeal his deletion? Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 14:00, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

On That Other Section

You can put it back if you want, but I think the key would to be making it about the company rather than the family or the Columbian Coffee Growers Association, since those are two different topics. Doc Quintana (talk) 13:58, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi Doc, thank you very much for your kind and prompt response. I truly appreciate your help.

What I am trying to convey and stress here is the fact that if the Government, the Federation and the coffee growers of Colombia trusted Mariano Ospina Pérez to run the affairs of the nation’s coffee industry, it was because of his experience, knowhow and successful achievements, proven in the handling of his Ospina coffee business. These are not my words. These are direct quotes from the sources and references. It is essential to explain that his unanimous election to these positions was due to his administrative and entrepreneurial successes in his private coffee business and personal affairs.

Please realize the close relationship between Ospina Coffee, the Colombian Coffee Federation and the Ospinas, in particular the leadership and administration of Mariano Ospina Perez. The Federation exists because the Ospinas and Ospina Coffee and not the other way around, Ospina Coffee because of the Coffee Federation.

I don’t want to put it back on my own initiative, because this would create an antagonistic confrontation. I need an experienced, well educated and well respected editor to do this. Is there any task force or appeal body that could do an independent review of the matter? Where can I find a helping Task Force on this matter? Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 15:02, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

PS. The History of Ospina Coffee, the Ospina family and the Colombian Federation of Coffee growers is so intertwined, interrelated and interconnected that it is completely inappropriate to separate them. For example, if one is writing about the History of the presidency of George Washington and excludes his military campaigns that brought him there, one is not been truthful. One cannot try to isolate facts and truths when they are so intertwined. A half truth is not the truth. One can have a myopic approach or a wide-angle view. I hope I have properly expressed my rationale and logic analysis as to these two topics. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 18:16, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your Wikipedian Spirit

Hi Jeremy, thank you very much for your Wikipedian spirit and high principles. I very much appreciate your help and support. I have seen the few edits you have done in the various articles I have been working on. Thanks a lot. What about the image use issue that you mentioned. What needs to be done? Can you help or point me in that direction. I really have no idea what you are taking about. Thanks

I also want to thank you for the tag on WikiProject Food and Drink. How can I participate and be a contributor in this project? I would love to help and be of service. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 18:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

History of the Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia

Hi Jeremy, I posted this article on the page of the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia with references, but I a getting a message that there are no references. Why is this? Please advise. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 03:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, this is very important, you are using a non-free image in the article but you have failed to put a fair use rationale (FUR) for use in the article on the image page which is required. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 05:46, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jeremy. Thanks for your prompt response. What does this mean? I am not sure of what you are saying here. Could you please explain and perhaps tell me how to doi it? Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 16:01, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

The content and notability of this article needs to be reviewed and edited as the majority of this article was written and edited by an editor with a stated conflict of interest.

This is what the article looked like when it was nominated for deletion. This is what it looked like when the AfD was withdrawn. The majority of editing before and after by User: Grancafe shows no deviation from his stated conflict of interest. Flowanda | Talk 10:54, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia Dispute Resolution

The content and notability of this article needs to be reviewed and edited as the majority of this article was written and edited by an editor with a stated conflict of interest.

This is what the article looked like when it was nominated for deletion. This is what it looked like when the AfD was withdrawn. The majority of editing before and after by User: Grancafe shows no deviation from his stated conflict of interest. Flowanda | Talk 10:54, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia Dispute Resolution

There is no conflict of interest here. That is your misguided opinion. My utmost interest is the truth and the undisputed, undeniable and well referenced historical facts. The interest of Wikipedia, academia end the community are above your interest or mine. This is why I have insistently invited other well versed and trained editors to participate in this project. I truly believe that we must invite community members from academia, scholars, historians, economist and sociologist to participate in this discussion. Do you think it is time to take this matter to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution? Thanks,--Grancafé (talk) 12:27, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Friendly's

I'm almost certain it's a fast food chain. The ones I ate in were Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 18:09, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Revisiting the colonies

What would you say to working a bit on cuisine of the Thirteen Colonies and going for FAC again? The issues raised when you nominated didn't seem like they were all that major. And working on a food collaboration again would be nice.

Peter ^Isotalo 11:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Burger King Kingdom

I have seen your edit on the Wizard of Fries in this article. Unfortunately, I haven't found a commercial that features the character yet. Plus The Burger King's article stated that the Wizard of Fries resembled R2-D2. Rtkat3 (talk) 5:12, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

History of Burger King

I will be glad to look at it, though it may take me several days. Just to be clear, you want me to review it as I would at peer review, right? Or do you just want a review to see if it is B class (I'd be more comfortable doing the former than the latter)? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:47, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

It meets B class, so I changed that. I would prefer to review it once the expansion is done - please let me know when it is ready for my comments. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Is this the article you mean? If not can you link the article in question please? It will take me a few days to get to whatever article it is, thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:12, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

The National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia

Hi Jeremy, I just noticed that the article on the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia was modified on February 20, 2010, at 16:00 by an editor VickyMa, deleting all my contributions with total disregard and without any comment, justification or reason; in my opinion, with total contempt. What should I do here to have my contributions inserted back into the article? I don’t want to do so just on my own initiative in order to avoid any argument or confrontation. Should I ask for comment RFC? Or what do you suggest I do? Please advice. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 18:09, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Jeremy, thank you so very much for your prompt, insightful and encouraging response. Mil gracias, --Grancafé (talk) 19:01, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

It is always a pleasure to deal with a “Caballero”. You are a scholar and a gentleman. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 16:00, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Kraft Dinner

The 2009 move discussion on talk:Kraft Dinner seems to indicate that this is a popular culture item of Canada... 70.29.210.242 (talk) 12:02, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

It isn't. We rely on fact, not the opinion of our contributors. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 15:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Gelatin dessert

What was the problematic format issue? --Wombat1138 (talk) 07:57, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Burger King

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article following this request. You are being notified as you have made a number of contributions to the article. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Burger King/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 03:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Jeremy

Look, I have not seen a single citation as to these "eight great traditions". Show me why and how and what and what is determined to be a great tradition or what determined these 8 traditions to be great. Some templates need footnotes, such as tables.

Those traditions cannot be categorized as great until you prove it. And that being said, the 4 great traditions need to be put back in, until you can prove they don't exist.174.3.101.191 (talk) 16:17, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Good point. But these "eight great traditions" and "four great traditions" have no citation on the articles in which they appear. So if we do categorize these cusinines as traditions, there should be a *reason*, but I can't find a citation for this and I am not sure if we would put them on chinese cuisine.174.3.98.20 (talk) 15:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Main Cat for Bar parameter

Hi, there's a MAIN_CAT for the |bar= that hasn't been created yet and is showing up red-linked. Is that the right name for the cat? Just wondering why it isn't WikiProject Bartending articles, etc. --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Burger King review

Hi Jeremy, I am a bit confused as to what you want me to do with the Burger King article. I looked at the talk page and it appears that there is a fairly complete set of things to do there already. The GA reviewer takes precedence over any comments I would make anyway. Perhaps I am just being dense, but any clarifications you could give would be appreciated. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Inside

Hi, this is abt the Burger King article. OK, Puerto Rico may be listed under US (considering flight b/w PR & US is domesntic) . But the listing of Cayman Island under United Kingdom this is problematic. Legally, UK has sovereignty over Cayman Island, but Cayman Island doesn't form any part of United Kingdom. If the 2 places requires an international transition through custom between them, they shouldn't be listed in the same country. This applies to other territories (e.g Netherland) too.

Think of it, a tourist going to UK expects to visit BK's Caymen Island branch after reading your edit of wikipedia, only realise that the BK's Caymen branch is not in UK. The only way to get to Cayman Island is legally exit UK customs then get on an international flight/ship, we may want to prevent that. Da Vynci (talk) 19:07, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Food and drink user templates

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You might like to know ..

.. that I (try to) follow the warning layout suggested at WP:WARN#Layout. Even if some people don't. Philip Trueman (talk) 16:47, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

{{historical herbs and spices}}

You have made the documentation including {{historical herbs and spices}}.

You mentioned here that you were afraid to make this template in fear of what Badagnani will do. He is indefinitely blocked.

I attempted to make this template, but it was declined: [3]. Could you make the template?

TIA174.3.123.220 (talk) 21:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Why do you not want to make this template?174.3.123.220 (talk) 02:50, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I have been very busy in real life and have only been working sporadically on WP. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 15:14, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

For 2 years? Seems like putting off.174.3.123.220 (talk) 07:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)