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Re: Burger King

ok no probs, but there is also a rule that says;

If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it.

and about "The reason that DAJF put the gallery in was because you really mangled the layout of the article when you redid the section" Well DAJF could have just reverted my edits, if he didn't like "my mangled layout".
I would like you to compare the two versions and, if you see that yours is better, I don't mind keeping this way. Cheers, Abdallah (talk) 19:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. It was me that added the gallery to the Burger King article. I am generally not keen on adding galleries or large numbers of images to already bulky articles, but I used the gallery format here because the existing arrangement of images was/is a mess. I have looked at Wikipedia:Good article criteria and can see nowhere where it says galleries are to be avoided. If galleries are to be avoided, then I cannot see how the current arrangement of four differently-sized images which extend off the screen is an improvement. Using regular headings for the "Examples of Burger King's international operations:" etc would also be far more logical. --DAJF (talk) 00:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Galleries are frowned upon in the MoS, that is what every person who rates the articles for WP:GA and WP:FA, as do the automated tools that check for compliance for G\FA status. The way I did it is basically a gallery, but avoids the term. Look at the discussion in the archives on the talk page to see what I mean. --- Jeremy (talk) 02:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

(I have moved your reply back here so that the dialog remains in one location)

If galleries are frowned on, then it should be removed outright rather than using other contrived formats to (badly) create the same effect. Try viewing the article with a reduced-sized window to see how "good" it looks. --DAJF (talk) 06:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

It isn't galleries that are frowned upon, it is the <gallery></gallery> commands. It is stupid but that is how these things go.--- Jeremy (talk) 07:07, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

ok, but what do you think about putting the invisible table, after the countries list? I mean it looks kindda confusing and messed up now... Abdallah (talk) 18:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Chicken Sandwich in Australia

I Have re-added the information that it is simply a chicken burger in Australia.
Youtube Advert
Above is a TV ad from down here.
If your really pedantic I can even have some photo's take of menu boards.
Crazymadness (talk) 06:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Try watching the ad then reading the article and mayhaps you will figure out what is going on. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 11:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm Henry the VIII, I am

It was me that added the reference to The Burger King being based on Henry VIII. In all honesty, i did it on a bet. In a recent discussion with a friend of mine, we were pondering the general accuracy of Wikipedia (you know, that whole, i-read-it-on-the-internet-so-it-must-be-true kind of mentality). Without controls on the content of such knowledge repositories, they cannot be deemed relible. It was determined to make a fairly random change to history, and see how long it lasted. We are fairly creative people, and spent a moment reaching for something completely non-sequitor. Then i said, "what if we post that 'the Burger King' was based on Henry VIII' ?" This was agreed as having the required level of randomness, and was subsequently posted. Congratulations to you, defender of the integrity of Wikipedia, it was reverted in a mere 13 minutes. I will not disturb or disrupt any further. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nothingofwater (talk • contribs) 00:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Galleries

OK, sorry about that, when you said GA, I thought you meant WP:WIAGA, not what a reviewer had said. That said, the reviewer cited Wikipedia:Galleries, which is a rejected proposal, so what the reviewer said is wrong. Could you please restore my gallery fixes? The table is just...awful...at least galleries can resize according to the user's browser resolution. hbdragon88 (talk) 07:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Pizza Hut

In your most recent edit of Pizza Hut, you said you would move the "International operations" section in your edit summary. Where did you move that section to? --Jnelson09 (talk) 04:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I'm going to at lest restore the old PH logo. --Jnelson09 (talk) 23:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Taco Bell

Hi Jeremy,

there seems to be some kind of problem with the Global Locations listing for Taco Bell, the last portion of the UK and all of the Germany info keeps ending up down in the References section. I have tried removing the complete Global Locations subsection and adding it in its entirety again by doing a new edit. This doesn't work. Could you please take a look and see if maybe there is an open link (but not closed properly with "") for example? That might be the problem.

Please let me know what the problem was,

Thanks Toni S. (talk) 12:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

KFC reversion

I wonder if you might explain your reversion of my edit to the KFC article. The changing of a major brand presence is significant and I think it's appropriate that it appear at the end of the lead section. Even if you disagree, I wonder why you removed the information completely from the article instead of just moving it to a different section. It would have been nice if you had addressed this matter in the KFC discussion page when reverting. Acsenray (talk) 15:21, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

McDonald's rating

My bad --Finalnight (talk) 19:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

McDonald's Premium line

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Newsletter January 2008

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter January 2008
--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 05:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey

I've been so freaking busy. I started teaching last week, judged an amateur culinary competition 30 minutes south of Boston the weekend before and then had to drive to Rutland, Vermont to take a written test for my Certified Executive Chef certification with the American Culinary Federation. I was then in St. Augustine Florida since Friday (drove) to compete in an ACF culinary competition which I got a gold medal in. I now get to put in my application to be a full judge with the ACF as that was the last required medal, which means even more traveling lol, but that's a good thing. I'm supposed to be in Boston on Thursday to meet with my thesis advisor, but I don't think that is happening. How have you been?--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 05:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I am a horrible person

Get the firing squad, I have offended with my horrible spelling.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 13:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Korean cuisine

Yeah, I see. I'm reading a bit of the back story now. I was just a little surprised about Badagnani's comments. He (or she?) and I have collaborated on a lot of articles before in a civil and constructive way. I felt it was very confrontational to use "RVV" for edits which are not vandalism, and refer to the removal of the contentious part of one sentence as "blanking". My main objection in that sentence is the use of the "stolen dog incident" as a source. And "all dogs are eaten" is probably a bit of an over-generalization. Dforest (talk) 04:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Talk:Steve's Ice Cream

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AfD nomination of Steve's Ice Cream

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Orphaned non-free media (Image:Murderkingold.png)

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McDonald's products

OK, a you claim a blog is unreliable as a citation, but this particular one is a first hand account of a 50 piece chicken tender, with accompanying photos of in-store advertisements.

Hokay...and the second part of that sentence is a rebuttal of the first...how, exactly? And it's not a "claim", it's 1) policy; and 2) common sense. --Calton | Talk 20:52, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and a read of this and this may prove useful. --Calton | Talk 20:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Cody10000

I readded him at AIV for you, although since the sockpuppetier is banned, all his edits will need to be reverted as banned users cannot edit. Momusufan (talk) 00:48, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia's banning policy states that "Any edits made in defiance of a ban may be reverted to enforce the ban, regardless of the merits of the edits themselves. As the banned user is not authorized to make those edits, there is no need to discuss them prior to reversion."

Thats wikipedia policy about banned users. Momusufan (talk) 00:51, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

He's been blocked, figured you should know. Momusufan (talk) 01:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

KFC protection

Hi Jeremy,

Thought you'd like to know that this request finally happened. KFC is indefinitely semiprotected. Here's hoping we can improve it in the future without constantly having to revert vandalism. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 23:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hacked

Ever heard of the word "mistake" :P ? It's not that easy to hack my account, don't worry. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 13:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

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Fair-use rationale

I noticed on the image ALE-BOS-Name-Print.PNG that you had put the source for the fair use as burgerking.com. I'm not an expert, but for some reason I wouldn't think that a Red Sox logo would be from a fast food chain's website. Do you know the original website? crassic!^[talk] 20:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I just wasn't 100% sure if it was correct or not. I just wanted to make sure. ;) crassic!^[talk] 20:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

AIV Report

I don't understand this WP:AIV report. I don't see any edits that the user made. Toddst1 (talk) 17:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah. You meant 69.94.179.75 Toddst1 (talk) 17:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Enormous Omelet Sandwich

Thanks for adding the citation. I don't see how reading the "whole article" would have informed me any more - the sentence you quoted was not in the article, and still isn't. It was in a citation attributed to a different paragraph, which didn't mention the target age in any way. Adding a fact tag is a request for verification for a specific point, not "a blanket statement challenging fact". But thanks anyway.Yobmod (talk) 10:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandal patrol

Thanks for your good work on Vandal patrol. Please sign and date warnings you place on user pages so that if/when they are reported to AIV, we admins can see if there was vandalism after the final warning or not. Cheers. Toddst1 (talk) 21:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Wendy's

Hi. Thanks for your message and the good point it made. Have now restored the above and links from transcluding articles. Sardanaphalus (talk) 22:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

AN/I post

I saw your post to AN/I about plagiarism of the articles you wrote. It's unfortunate but this happens all the time. I've seen the one good article I wrote (an article about an album called Made in the Dark), ripped off by plenty of websites. It's funny because you can hear your own words echoing through the ripped off material. The worst thing of all is that here we are, unpaid volunteers, and yet there are people ripping off what we've wrote, without crediting us and getting paid big money to do so... Seraphim♥ ^Whipp 13:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Legal issues

Is there a reason your removed this from the value menu article and ignored it at Burger King legal issues? Respond at my talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

See:

http://www.1010wins.com/pages/1772357.php?

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/03/06/ex_burger_king_owners_say_value_menu_ate_into_profits/

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/03/05/burger_king_sued_because_of_dollar_menu/2775/ --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

You are clearly the specialist on this topic. I thought you might have been unsure as to whether I was making a valid contribution. I will assume your decisions are well-conceived. I just wanted to make sure you gave this issue full consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

P.S. If you get a chance, take a look at my

Rock N Roll McDonald's article.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

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Trademark stuff

I'm not arguing that trademarks are unimportant; it's just that it wasn't very relevant to the articles. Every commercial product is trademarked, but we don't need a special paragraph to note that fact in every single article (unless, as in your example, the trademark was subject to a highly-publicized dispute). —Chowbok ☠ 21:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

As I said, I'm not removing that stuff because of a policy issue; I'm removing it because I don't think it's relevant or interesting. It adds nothing to the articles. That paragraph boilerplate could be added with equal justice to thousands of articles here, and I think it would get tiresome.—Chowbok ☠ 16:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Removing that section

I don't understand why this is so mysterious. I've explained, twice, why I'm doing it. Neither time you did you give me a response. If you can't be bothered to address my arguments, than I don't see why I have to stop removing that paragraph. Why should I stop just on your say-so?—Chowbok ☠ 23:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

And just for the record, WP:IDONTLIKEIT is part of Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, which applies to deletion discussions, rather than content disputes. Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 00:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

He has never provided a valid reason for his deletions, he is only leaving a half-baked boiler template in the edit summary (clean up, removing irrelevant info, Replaced: ™ →) that does not apply to his deletion. I asked him to explain why he thinks it is irrelevant or to provide a policy based reason for its deletion. He has yet to go beyond I don't like it. The WP:Idontlikeit is the closest thing on WP to describe his actions in deleting the data. Read my replies on his talk page to see my reasoning on the inclusion of the data, and you will see that he has not provided a valid reason for the data not to be included or why it is irrelevant beyond it is boring (interesting).

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 05:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Warning

I was NOT disrupting, vandalizing anything at all. There is a NEW kind of Adverts that are going around depicting utter stupidity. Have you seen the recent BK ads on TV? This new form of advertising should be placed in the BK articles. I only asked who the demographic was that is being targeted by these ads. If they're targeting women, they'd be feminine in nature. If working men, they'd show men working on the job - blue collar jobs, like construction. Again, who or what is the demographic that idiotic adverts like the recent BK ads are to target? Not you and I. 205.240.146.247 (talk) 05:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Please...

I was looking at your user page and wondering if I could borrow your "Don't mind this..." template? It is pretty handy...:)--Krushdiva (talk) 04:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Yea! Thanks again!--Krushdiva (talk) 07:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

May 2008

When you post vandalism warnings, please sign your posts.

When you post vandalism warnings, the "last warning" should not be the first warning. Even though PieClock had received previous notices, that individual had not edited anything since earlier in the month. A wholly new round of vandalism means the person should get a new round of warnings.

Giving someone an "only warning" after giving a "last warning" indicates that the last warning wasn't really the last and therefore means nothing. You might consider using a template like User:Doczilla/Template:Uw-vandalism4x, which some editors like but some do not. Not everyone agrees that any notice should be posted after a "last warning."

All that aside, thank you for your efforts to combat vandalism in Wikipedia. Doczilla _STOMP! 09:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

BK legal issues notability

Jerem43, regarding the BK legal issues article, why those three cases? The article's Lead opens with "As with other multi-national corporations, international fast food restaurant chain Burger King has had its share of controversies and legal issues over the course of its existence." This statement actually appears to diminish the significance of the lawsuits. You rightly say that you are focusing on "company altering law suits that had significant impact on the industry", but there doesn't seem to be any material in the article that supports that goal. I'm not saying that BK doesn't have legal activity that isn't noteworthy enough to be covered in a stand-alone article, but why these three cases (along with the "controversies")? I'm thinking that if you could locate analysis in legal journals and sources other than run-of-the-mill publications that identify these cases and situations as having a significant impact on the industry and BK then the article value and quality would be enhanced.
Jim Dunning | talk 12:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

CKE & Hardee's

Jerem43 - I deleted information on CKE Restaurants and Hardee's that was not true (menu consolidation) as well as incorrect info about expansion plans (in all 50 states by end of 2008). BethMansfield (talk) 18:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC) PR for CKE

[1]

Hello. Please don't edit comments of other users. Exceptions exist. Thanks. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 01:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I replied. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 14:31, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Editing other people's comments

I personally appreciate that you corrected spelling errors in my post on the R. McD talk page. I don't mind at all. It's not customary, but personally I think it makes me look smarter when my posts are spelled right. You may want to consider avoiding corrections of British vs. American spellings though, they may be intentional. Anyway, thanks. It's nice to meet you, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. I look forward to working with you more in the future. Drop by my talk page any time, and feel free to correct my errors any time. User:Pedant (talk) 05:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Is it true

Did Willard Scott create Ronald McDonald. and btw why are George Voorhis and Terry talking credit if Macdonald's doesn't talk about them. Hankzimer (talk) 05:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

No clue, I can only comment on what I have seen and read. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 05:47, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Angus Six-pack

DO NOT talk to me like that. I have provided a source which is already cited to and I have written it in the same way as the others on that page (which I started in case you haven't noticed). UNI^|SOUTH 08:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter June 2008

--Chef Tanner (talk) 17:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Article edits

Wow, I'm gone for a few months and I come back to see numerous articles which I wrote trashed, removed citations to put in stuff that makes no sense whatsoever, how frustrating. Luckily one can go back and revert items, but wow some of this stuff. I had to request a restriction on the French cuisine article as it had gotten so bad. I might have to do the same for chef and Italian cuisine. Anyways, sorry I always have issues with poor communication. I haven't actually made it back out to Boston since January, things have been really hectic. Here's to hoping my summer is a little more relaxing. How have you been?--Chef Tanner (talk) 18:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Burger King AGF

I apologize if I've offended you. Certainly not my intent. I'm just interested in improving the article. Please assume good faith.
Jim Dunning | talk 23:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Ya know, I offer an olive branch, focusing on the quality of the article, and I get "nitpicking" in return. Then I find "Deeply angered reply" and "terse, annoyed reply". Then I'm warned that any further edits I make will result in vandalism reporting. Mmmm.
Jim Dunning | talk 03:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Dude

You must have the patience of a saint, or have easy access to a high quality liquor store.--Chef Tanner (talk) 14:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Litigation involving Tesco

Hi Jeremy, thanks for the cleaning of the page. You couldn't add support for keeping the page, and warding it off against deletion too could you? Wik idea 17:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! That's exactly the sort of arguments I was trying to make. Cheers Wik idea 17:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Nominations

Great idea adding that to the project page.--Chef Tanner (talk) 16:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

BK

I won't be doing that. Rather, I'll refer you to this Meme.

Then review what I removed and review this WP:N.

I'll wait. --Endless Dan 16:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so this is notable because a few geeks on the internet are obsessed with the Burger King? I suppose this stuff is outta my league.

Also, the link you gave me doesn't appear to pass WP:RS.--Endless Dan 16:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh. You're from there. This explains why we didn't see eye to eye.--Endless Dan 17:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Must be all that chowder (or, ya know, that whole 26 world championships thing). --Endless Dan 17:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:WikiProject Food and Drink/Foodservice taskforce

Template:WikiProject Food and Drink/Foodservice taskforce has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Eastmain (talk) 02:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Bidness

I think we can come up with a task force, however, I have noted that task forces don't seem to go in any direction much like the Foodservice task force. I have even contemplated proposing turning the Project Cheese into a task force instead of keeping it as a project. As for the to-do list, do you mean the one I put on the newsletter as there isn't one on the rating banner.--Chef Tanner (talk) 17:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Someone must've added that in my absence to the banner when they added the importance label. It is actually the same list on the main page of the portal. You can edit it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink/Tasks--Chef Tanner (talk) 19:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the welcome back, I have been editing minimally for a couple months now. :) And if you think the Gozer worship is bad, wait until the bizarre rituals intended to bring about the end of the world begin!--IvoShandor (talk) 08:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Ray's gone bye-bye, Egon, what do you have left? I'm sorry Peter I am terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought. --IvoShandor (talk) 08:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Now that's one of my favorite lines (that and "My uncle once thought he was St. Jerome. I'd call that a big yes."). I saw the movie in 1984 when it came out, one of the first I can actually remember, and I know I didn't get the sailor joke until years later.--IvoShandor (talk) 08:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks from me, too. That "user" has caused more trouble than any I've ever seen on any wiki. Just amazing. Sorry to have blown off good edits and caused you additional work, but the house rules state that any edit by a hard-banned user goes bye-bye, good or bad. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

BK GAN

Jerem43, just so you know, I have grave concerns about Limetolime's actions in listing the BK article as GA given the issues you and I have been discussing and acting on. I'm unsure how he can promote it given Good article criteria #2 and #5. I am asking him/her to solicit another, experienced editor's assistance in reviewing the action. This has more to do with Limetolime's actions on a number of recent GANs more than the article itself.
Jim Dunning | talk 04:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Understood, but my concern now is mostly with the GAN process itself being followed. I do have issues with accurate sourcing (existing [statements matching sources] and past [how many times have you found that source/statement mismatches/misalignments to be the causes of my concerns?]) and significance. However, there's no doubt that the article is in flux right now and an editor has been expressing concerns over sources (the validity of which (at least some) have been acknowledged). Consequently, the GA shouldn't have happened — at least yet. By all means, let's solicit the opinion of a third-party. That would definitely be a good idea. But again, my major concern here is with the GA process.
Jim Dunning | talk 09:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Relative to "nitpicking", I do not consider ensuring the validity and accuracy of sources and their characterizations in the article to be "nitpicking". WP:RS, WP:CITE and WP:Verifiability are not WP Guidelines, but Policies. If one source or ref in an article has a problem, then the article cannot be GA. For example, the statement about "stridently worded emails" is a strong characterization of the events and I could not find a supporting source. Your correction of the situation shows that there was a ref that should have been there. Whether the statement was unsupported because it never had one or became orphaned during editing is irrelevant: the statement is OR unless it is appropriately supported. There is no nitpicking when it it comes to content being accurately, verifiably supported by reliable sources. This applies to GA quality as well as FA.
Jim Dunning | talk 10:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

This and this may be of interest.
Jim Dunning | talk 02:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Jerem43, thanks for the Hrrrmpphh Barnstar! I actually will treasure it more than any others. With regard to the BK GAN, I suggest delisting it and asking for another editor to review the article. There are a number of issues being worked out surrounding the editor who listed it, and given your passion for the article and all the hard work you invested, I think you would value the opinion of a different editor.
Jim Dunning | talk 11:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

I'm very please with the barnstar!, but I believe that without Chris, the article would've been at, as you know, all the same tendentious battlefield. We have an actual article regarding Korean cuisine with reliable academic sources! I also appreciate your effort for the article to progress further. Thanks.--Caspian blue (talk) 16:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

en den

I will be going out to dinner with friends for Korean food in Albany, NY. Yes, even in our cruddy upstate region of New York, we have Korean restaurants. I even asked a couple of the chefs for some help, like I know what i'm doing and some junk and stuff. "and to my cat I leave... and a boot to the head"--Chef Tanner (talk) 19:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh and I am not a hora, I am a very respectful person.Chef Tanner (talk) 19:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I will likely be drunk on rice wine tonight lol. After working on this article I decided to invite a bunch of friends over after we go out to dinner at the Korean restaurant to make a bunch of different dishes (I have a huge kitchen with ten burners and any kitchen implement you could ever want to use form a professional kitchen) and hopefully remember to take some pictures to use for this and other articles. there might just be pictures of a bunch of drunk jerks though haha. Enjoy your trip, I'll e-mail you as i am judging a culinary competition in Amherst, MA Thursday and Friday of next week, and I am actually going to make it to Boston after that for the weekend, finally. Don't cause too little trouble.--Chef Tanner (talk) 20:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

English in the Commonwealth

What is "rather" surprising is that you didn't notice that, in fact, I wrote the English in the Commonwealth of Nations article--assuming you weren't just kidding. I actually plan on adding more information to it, but I don't have much time right now--I'm currently focusing on North American dialects. Yet most of the articles on second-language varieties of English are either poor or simply nonexistent. Anyway, the problem is the very phrase "Commonwleath English," which is basically never used by linguists or lexicographers, since it's a gross and somewhat troublesome oversimplification from the standpoint of dialectology, sociolinguistics, and geography alike. It is mainly used by Wikipedians, open software programmers, etc. Most of the Google hits for it come from Wikipedia, Wikipedia mirrors, Wiktionary, forums of the shoot-the-shit kind--or are false positives. Jack^(Lumber) 13:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

The "essay" on my userpage is a rant authored by User:Ammbaani; it may seem somewhat schizophrenic, but what it says is basically true. Do you "park the car in Harvard Yard," by the way? Jack^(Lumber) 18:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

You actually reminded me of a couple of dialect features that need to be emphasized in the relevant articles. Anyway, it was a pleazhah. Jack^(Lumber) 01:18, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry

I apoligize for my behavior on the Ronald McDonald article. I promise I will never do that agian as long as I'm on Wikipedia. Plyjacks (talk) 18:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Jam / Jelly

Peanut Butter and Jam sandwich? No. Why? Because they're usually made with grape jelly. If you substitute a jam for that, why bother changing the name of the sandwich? However, I do eat toast and Strawberry Jam. CSZero (talk)

I see your point, but I think the phrase "toast and jam" is largely generic as well, just like "peanut butter and jelly." Then again, maybe I'm weird. And then yet again, if I think about it, that little tray restaurants have with jellies, jams, and marmalades...I do call that the jelly tray. But I want my jam from it! CSZero (talk) 21:24, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

A lot more

There must be thousands more untagged, as I've only done a few. Badagnani (talk) 06:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Food service tagging request

Please see my response here -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 06:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

New msg at the page -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 06:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I am done.. Tagged with {{WikiProject Food and drink}} to new 1951 articles of 2529 articles that were checked -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 11:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

WP 1.0 cats for Foodservice and other taskforces

Jerem, currently you have Quality and Importance stats for the Main Project "Food and drink " only, like this.

Food and drink articles by quality and importance
Quality	Importance
Quality	Top	High	Mid	Low	NA	???	Total
FA		7	15	31			53
FL		2		2			4
FM					140		140
GA	18	29	75	273		5	400
B	56	233	339	700		81	1,409
C	77	402	993	3,541		521	5,534
Start	22	328	1,673	11,973	3	3,896	17,895
Stub		17	549	9,026		4,963	14,555
List	12	71	115	533	23	273	1,027
Category					8,880		8,880
Disambig					218		218
File					3,022		3,022
Portal					811		811
Project					440		440
Redirect		10	72	639	2,863		3,584
Template					1,042		1,042
NA					10		10
Other				1	193		194
Assessed	185	1,099	3,831	26,719	17,645	9,739	59,218
Unassessed				18		1,978	1,996
Total	185	1,099	3,831	26,737	17,645	11,717	61,214
WikiWork factors (?)		ω = 203,968			Ω = 5.12

Do you wish to also obtain seperate stats for each taskforce ? I can help you out. My bot User:TinucherianBot can do this for you ( I know how to , I need to get a BRFA )... It will automatically create these WP 1.0 categories and their mappings for you.

So In the Banner {{WikiProject Food and drink}} we map the category to "|Foodservice=yes" , So the the WP 1.0 bot will reguarly update the stats in

Foodservice articles by quality and importance
Quality	Importance
Quality	Top	High	Mid	Low	NA	???	Total
FA				4			4
FL				1			1
GA		3	14	103			120
B	3	16	29	69		5	122
C	4	24	116	315		29	488
Start	1	26	143	1,483		372	2,025
Stub			43	1,211		384	1,638
List		7	5	36	6	5	59
Category					584		584
Disambig					5		5
File					148		148
Portal					1		1
Project					13		13
Redirect			3	45	117		165
Template					86		86
Other					5		5
Assessed	8	76	353	3,267	965	795	5,464
Unassessed				1		75	76
Total	8	76	353	3,268	965	870	5,540
WikiWork factors (?)		ω = 22,511			Ω = 5.12

. Thoughts ? -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 12:56, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Jerem, Any comments on the above?? -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 04:52, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Let me talk with my fellow contributors, and I will get back to you. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 04:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Food and drink's stinky task force

It seems none of us follow your little attempt here to organize your discussion page, but I'll attempt to help. The stinky project has become a stinky task force. I'm off to send out the newsletter now, just a few days late this time, we need lives, you have a wife I have no excuse lol.--Chef Tanner (talk) 22:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

WPFood

Thanks for the reply. It just seemed a strange thing to do when the sub-project was already there. --JD554 (talk) 07:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

WPF

No problem, happy to help - and it's more exciting than New Page Patrolling. Best, UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 17:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter July 2008

--Chef Tanner (talk) 15:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Herbs and Spices

You might want to put Wikipedia:WikiProject Herbs and Spices (which seems inactive) into WPFOOD, too. I've been working on herb and spice articles for some time and have never come across this banner, which doesn't seem even to be implemented at most articles on this subject (only 15 articles are tagged). Badagnani (talk) 17:42, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 02:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Hostile take over?

It wasn't an accusation, but yes, I'm a bit upset because your good faith boldness did impinge on our sovereignty as a project. You did manage to offend quite a number of people between the banner change and the overzealous tagging effort, and you're making it worse by not simply saying "yes, we screwed up, we're sorry". At the very minimum, apologize instead of blaming the bot. I would also feel much more comfortable (and willing to drop the whole thing) if you removed the "beer=yes" capacity from the food tag. We have our own tag, and we're quite happy with it. – Clockwork Soul 02:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I never for a second thought you were anything other than well-meaning, if a little overzealous, and I apologize for coming on so strongly. Yes I did read your proposal, but I don't see the need for it and I honestly don't see how your proposed changes will actually do any of the things that you hope it will (mostly because I've tried similar things in the past, or seen them not work very well in other projects). I know you meant well, and I'm happy to see that, but the reason that I haven't offered any suggestions because I think that the whole endeavor is misguided. I don't think that replacing one banner with two will do anything but increase the clutter, and not reduce it. Some projects have managed to pull off a feat like this (the Africa project, for example) by replacing the project banners all together. I'm open to discussion on this, but I encourage you to float your ideas with those it'll affect before putting alot of work into it.

Issue with TinucherianBot in Project Banner Tagging for WP:FOOD

Thank you for expressing your concerns on the recent issue Issue with TinucherianBot in Project Banner Tagging for WP:FOOD . I have made some comments and explainations at Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Requests_for_approval#TinucherianBot and I am leaving this note just for your information -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 08:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Food and drink

Hi Jerem43. I've left a message on the talkpage of the template. Currently when someone adds beer=yes to the template it adds the talkpage of that article directly to the main beer cat. I tried crudely removing the cat section from the template, but that didn't seem to work. The only way I could stop it from adding the talkpage to the main beer cat is to remove beer=yes from each template tag on the relevant talkpages. Is there a way you can rewrite the template to prevent it putting either the talkpage or the article itself in any of the beer cats? Regards SilkTork *^YES! 19:41, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, it adds to the "X-class food and drink articles" and "X-importance Food and Drink articles" in addition to beer class articles. Is that by design? If so, it seems very likely to result in a very bloated food project. – Clockwork Soul 21:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

As you are working on the banner I'm going to keep from making edits on it, but I just wanted to let you know that the To Do list is not collapsed for some reason now.--Chef Tanner (talk) 02:00, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

It must have been a glitch in Wikipedia that occurred when I just happened to be looking at the banners.--Chef Tanner (talk) 15:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Recommendation

Bedtime, haha. You're right about that. Badagnani (talk) 07:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

A discussion

An important discussion on " Should WikiProjects get prior approval of other WikiProjects (Descendant or Related or any ) to tag articles that overlaps their scope ? " is open here . We welcome you to participate and give your valuable opinions. You are receiving this note since I thought you may be interested in this disussion. -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - , member of WikiProject Council. 13:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Cheeses

I take it we probably aren't using the bot thing anymore, so we still need to go through and change all of the Cheeses pages over to your new banner I think, and we will have to do the same with the colonel's Herbs and Spices pages.--Chef Tanner (talk) 13:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

If you want, WP:IGOR can take care of this pretty easily. It's manual, too, so you don't have to worry about bots running amok. – Clockwork Soul 00:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I love that movie! I can't take credit for the name though, it was TimVickers' idea. – Clockwork Soul 13:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I set WP:F&D/CHEESE to work with Igor and had it change all instances of {{WP Cheeses}} to the F&D banner + the cheese=yes parameter. The articles still have the F&D banner tacked to the top, some with different grades than the Cheeses tag had. I'll see if I can whip up something that'll clean them up a bit for you. – Clockwork Soul 19:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

class="redirect"

Hi,

You just started the talk:Biomass Cook Stoves page to add a project template. Just curious as to the purpose of this. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

(replying here instead of on my talk page)

I actually meant "why are redirects being categorised"? What purpose does this have? It would appear to inconvenience people clicking links to redirected talk pages, for a start. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm still confused. Using a template for adding the assessment to a redirect page breaks the redirect. Would it not be better to just add the category tag manually to the bottom of the redirect? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:57, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:FDBanners

wow ! both of us asked for speedy of this toegther :) -- TinuCherian ^(Chat?) - 07:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't support "FD" because WPFOOD is simpler to remember, and more consistent as an abbreviation for "Food and drink." Badagnani (talk) 07:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

"FD" doesn't make sense as "Food." Badagnani (talk) 07:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

But it does for food and drink. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 07:51, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Mixed Drinks and Bartending

Hi. I saw you tagged the WikiProject Bartending talk page with the new Food template. I noticed that the template still refers to "cocktail" instead of mixed drinks. Can you change the attribute from cocktail to "mixed" or something like that? Also, bartending and mixed drinks are two different (though very related) projects (well, project and task force, I guess). I haven't had the time to update the WikiProject Bartending information much yet, nor have I had time to update the Wikibooks Bartending Guide either. I am out of town half of each week, and my non-wiki work in the real world is really sucking up my free time. Since this is still all kind of new, I'd rather see it get fixed now, rather than waiting until everything is in place and then going back and making a slew of changes after the fact.

What we really need is a "mixed" ('mix = yes' to match WP:MIX) and a "bartending" ('bar = yes' to match WP:BAR) section within the template. A few things will probably be in both sections, but bartending is much more to do with the occupation, tools of the trade, drinkware, bartenders, bars, nightclubs, restaurants, etc. Mixed drinks is any type of mixed drink (alcoholic or virgin), but not plain alcohol (with is basically Beer, Wine, or Distilled Spirits). There is obviously some overlap with the Foodservice task force, too.

Currently Bartending talk is tagged as a "cocktail" page, but it isn't a WikiProject Mixed Drinks page (mix=yes), but rather a WikiProject Bartending page (bar=yes). The two projects also use different images. WP:MIX uses the cocktail sign (which is for historical reasons) and the WP:BAR uses the bartender pouring several flaming beverages at once. The template should display the proper image for the different projects.

Thanks! I really appreciate the work you have been doing on all of this. It really helps. --Willscrlt (Talk) 00:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Salmon

Oh sorry Jerremy, I was talking to you. --Geronimo20 (talk) 07:05, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Rum Swizzle

Sorry, I didn't notice that your were editing Rum Swizzle at the same time I was. I hope we didn't step on each other's edits! - House of Scandal (talk) 22:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

BTW, I am happy to back off if you would like to tinker with it for a while. - House of Scandal (talk) 22:49, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Your comment

I will ask that you please not address me in such a manner. I am a long-time and productive Wikipedian and your comment comes across as impetuous and more than a bit rude. If the very major edits had been discussed, and consensus reached, there would be no problem. Thanks, Badagnani (talk) 04:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Herbs and Spices editing dispute

Hello. Badagnani has started as discussion concerning the two templates at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Herbs and Spices task force. It would be helpful to resolving the dispute if you could outline your arguments in favour of merging there. CIreland (talk) 05:46, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Just a quick FYI since you suggested moving the discussion: I put a note on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink asking other WP:F&D members to contribute and linking the discussion. CIreland (talk) 06:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Cuisine of the Thirteen Colonies

What brought about your change of the references on this article, I have never seen them on another article like that before.--Chef Tanner (talk) 19:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, you didn't need to revert the change in the references, I had just never seen anyone do that before. Actually I like that it makes the table of contents smaller.--Chef Tanner (talk) 23:40, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Research on Ronald McDonald

Hi Jeremy, I recently did a bunch of research on Terry Teene, Voorhees and Willard Scott's side of the Ronald McDonald story today. I went to the library and found Willard scott books with him saying he created him. I also looked at newspaperarchive.org for hours to find that Terry Teene and George Voorhees story but no luck. But I did happen to find this article with a little part that said Terry Teene, 45, of Granada Hills, the first West Coast Ronald McDonald clown in 1967 and now known as Clownzo, said many clowns are the hurting-on-the-inside, laughing-on-the-outside type best portrayed in the opera "Pagliacci" by Ruggiero Leoncavallo. On the bottom are the Willard Scott books that I have scanned for you to see. But believe me I do want Scott, Voorhees and Teene to have there side of the story as well. I will be looking more tommrow. Plyjacks (talk) 02:31, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f150/plyjacks110/ronin4.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f150/plyjacks110/ronin5.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f150/plyjacks110/ronin2.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f150/plyjacks110/ronin1.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f150/plyjacks110/ronin3.jpg

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/58278085.html?dids=58278085:58278085&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Apr+02%2C+1987&author=JUDITH+JACOVITZ&pub=Los+Angeles+Times+(pre-1997+Fulltext)&desc=Members'+Clothes+May+Be+a+Bit+Ragged%2C+but+They+Still+Manage+a+Lot+of+Laughs&pqatl=google

More Research

I did more research and a guy named Michael Polakov (aka Cocoa the Clown) also tries takes credit for creating Ronald McDoanld. I found a few sites that said it. But I don't think there reliable.Plyjacks (talk) 23:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

http://peaceaware.com/McD/pages/History_of_Ronal_McDonald_Speedee_Wal_Mart.htm

There you go Plyjacks! :) 96.237.48.83 (talk) 00:57, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. IP address 96.237.48.83. Plyjacks (talk) 00:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey

I will help out when I can, I've been and will be pretty busy for the next few days.--Chef Tanner (talk) 12:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

AN/I

If you are having problems in that one area, but writing helps you relax, perhaps I can offer you some other areas to review and edit in for a little while to take your mind off the problems while they are sorted out? If he follows you there, I'm sure he will be stopped rather fast. :) By the way, I'm glad to see you are patients throughout this matter. Many users in your situation tend to react in a harsh manner at AN/I. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello...I was wondering if you have any sites specifically dedicated to BK corporate history...thanx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.153.220.170 (talk) 12:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Censorship

It's my understanding that you're supposed to warn someone before asking the administrators to block them. So consider this a warning. Don't delete my comments again. - Shaheenjim (talk) 12:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I have made no requests to have you blocked, but now I will for the threat you just made against me. --Jeremy (blah blah) 14:20, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't alleging that you'd requested that I be blocked. I was warning you because if you delete my comments again, I'm going to request that you be blocked. If you want, you can whine about that "threat" to an administrator, but I'm pretty sure it's not grounds for blocking. - Shaheenjim (talk) 14:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Please take the time to look at the policies regarding civil behavior. You comments on the BSG:Daylight part 2 talk page have been less than civil in their content. Per the WP:Civil policy comments such as these can and will be deleted without such actions being considered censorship or blanking. The people you have been engaging in have tried, repeatedly, to maintain a professional tone in the conversations, while you have not. We are not saying that your points are wrong, but how you are going about this is, all we are asking is for you to wait until the time that such assertions you are making are confirmed by a reliable, third party source that verifies what you believe to be true.

Your comments on my page also confirm your inappropriate behavior and do nothing but harm yourself, so please assume good faith when dealing with others and scale back on the tone and content of your posts. --Jeremy (blah blah) 18:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia's policy on civility is meant to remove threats, profanity, and personal attacks. None of that applies to my comments. But there are some parts of Wikipedia's policy on civility that apply to you. It says, among other things, "to treat constructive criticism as an attack, is itself disruptive, and may result in warnings or even blocks... It is not normally appropriate to edit or remove another editor's comment." Looks like that's another policy that you're breaking. What is that now, four? IAR, Use Common Sense, Discuss your concerns rather than engage in edit wars, and now the policy on Civility. Are you going for a record? I have repeatedly asked you to point out which part of my argument you disagree with. You have failed to do so. You're the problem here, not me. - Shaheenjim (talk) 19:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

ANI report

It was after this last posting that I chose to report Shaheenjim's behavior on the ANI message board. As you can see my simple request (cut and pasted from his talk page by him) for him to please focus on the merits of the discussion at the Talk:Daybreak (Battlestar Galactica) and to please try to keep the discussion civil was met by more hostility. --Jeremy (blah blah) 00:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)