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The role of Wikidata within the research lifecycle, Wednesday 21 June, 10am BST (UTC+1), online event hosted by the University of York, UK. International participation is welcome, despite "available to White Rose institutions only" on the booking page.
Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group Working Hour June 23, 2023: Returning to Podcasts, we will be working on creating podcast episode pages. We will discuss how this episodic content can be transferred to other serialized items. You are, as always, welcome to bring your own project to work on Event page
Webinar: Common European Data Space for cultural heritage (The ontology of Wikidata, how to interact with it for a better quality). Tuesday 20th June 2023, from 3.00 p,.m. to 5.00 p.m. CET. Register
Mapping Diversity is a platform that utilizes Wikidata to discover key facts about diversity and representation in street names across Europe. E.g. 59% of the streets and squares in Paris are named after people. Of those, 8.9% are named after women.
mul language code: We've continued working on making the mobile termbox (labels, descriptions, aliases) ready for the new language code. (phab:T329644, phab:T338302, phab:T329655, phab:T316767)
Vector 2022 skin: We are fixing an issue with the bolding of results in the main search suggester. (phab:T327510)
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Open request for adminship: Wolverène (RfP scheduled to end after 2 July 2023 18:46 UTC)
Closed request for adminship: Vargenau (successful) Welcome onboard \o/
New requests for permissions/Bot: RomesfulImporterBot (Task: Creating and updating Russian Lexemes by transferring information from the Russian Wiktionary)
The next Wikidata+Wikibase office hours will take place on Wednesday, 16:00 UTC, 12th July 2023 (18:00 Berlin time) in the Wikidata Telegram group. The Wikidata and Wikibase office hours are online events where the development team presents what they have been working on over the past quarter, and the community is welcome to ask questions and discuss important issues related to the development of Wikidata and Wikibase.
re:publica 2023 - Peer learning methods and Open Educational Resources (OER) on Wikidata for a viable digital culture of remembrance (in German) - YouTube
Workshop - Aligning Open Biological and Biomedical Ontology Foundry ontologies with Wikidata - YouTube
Managing conflations and duplications of personal items in Wikidata, National Library of Greece - YouTube
Why Wikidata in Linked Data and Libraries (in Greek)- YouTube
Adding metadata utilities in the Koha staff interface based on Wikidata - YouTube
From authority control to identity management - YouTube
DSI Webinar - The ontology of Wikidata: how to interact with it for a better quality - YouTube
Wikidata as a tool for biocuration of cell types, Biocuration Conference 2023 - YouTube
Webinar: Wikidata, a useful knowledge base for any study - YouTube
KGC '23 Talk — The Error Is The Message: Extracting Insights From Deceptive Data for Nazi-Looted Art - YouTube
TU Berlin research group "The Restitution of Knowledge" are exploring the use of Wikidata to build a Linked Open Data (LOD) project that maps German colonial military expeditions into Africa. Interested in getting involved or learning more about their project? Reach out on the project's talk page: Wikidata:WikiProject TheRoK/Data Models.
Hi Nthep, you had helped me add my contributions and wathlist to the topbar and sticky header and was wondering if you could help me with something similar. What would be the code to add my sandbox and to-do list page (User:Aza24/To do list) there as well? Best – Aza24 (talk)06:53, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
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Open request for adminship: koavf 3 (RfP scheduled to end after 8 July 2023 13:16 UTC)
Closed request for adminship: Wolverène Welcome onboard \o/
New requests for permissions/Bot: UrbanBot (Task: UrbanBot's task is to mass-add English descriptions to items that don't have one)
Closed request for permissions/Bot: RomesfulImporterBot (Task: Creating and updating Russian Lexemes by transferring information from the Russian Wiktionary)
The third iteration of the WikiWomenCamp will be hosted in New Delhi, India, from the 20th to the 22nd of October 2023.
Scholarship applications are now open.
Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group Working Hour July 7, 2023: Let's collaborate to upgrade our community infrastructure! We'll transfer notes and content from Google Docs to our WikiProject subpages. We'll be practicing our Wiki markup skills and learning to manage Wikidata Project pages Event page
Ongoing: Weekly Lexemes Challenge #99, Breast milk (Challenge started on 2023-07-03 12:01:21)
m:User:Base/Scripts/HaveWikibaseLabelLowercased.js - is a Userscript that adds an arrow next to the main label (page title) which upon double click (a tap and a confirmation on touch devices) automatically makes the label's first letter lowercase for the current interface language. If there was already a matching alias it gets removed.
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The WikidataCon 2023 call for proposals is running until July 31st. If you have questions or need advice before sending a program proposal, join the program team during one of the office hour sessions (online or in Taiwan, in Chinese or in English). More information
Nigerian registered company (RC) id (RC number (Registration Number), identifier assigned to a business by the Corporate Affairs Commission (CAC) in Nigeria)
Cent cols (A property to link Wikidata entries to the dedicated pages of each pass by the Cent Cols)
WikiProject Scotland's Accused Witches aims at producing structured data documenting witchhunts, and prosecuted Scotland's accused witches on Wikidata using the University of Edinburgh's landmark Survey of Scottish Witchcraft database (1563 to 1736).
Development
Wikibase REST API:
We finished the GetProperty endpoint with fields filter and Conditional headers (phab:T338141, phab:T338138)
We started working on the endpoints for reading statement data of Properties (both a single statement, and a list of all of a Property’s statement) (phab:T339356), phab:T338383)
Ontology issue survey: We put together an overview of solutions for the various types of issues and will share them this week.
mul language code: We are continuing to work through the language fallback issues that were uncovered.
"Harry rerok" is back editing here. Same Edit Summary as an edit you reverted and expunged; can't tell whether the edit itself is the same. Spike-from-NH (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
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Closed request for adminship: koavf 3 Welcome onboard \o/
New requests for permissions/Bot: FromCrossrefBot 1: Publication dates (Task/s: Using information from Crossref: 1 - Add publication date to items where they are not present in Wikidata 2 - Fix publication dates where they are erroneous)
The next Wikidata+Wikibase office hours will take place on Wednesday, 16:00 UTC, 12th July 2023 (18:00 Berlin time) in the Wikidata Telegram group. The Wikidata and Wikibase office hours are online events where the development team presents what they have been working on over the past quarter, and the community is welcome to ask questions and discuss important issues related to the development of Wikidata and Wikibase.
How to create a Wikidata Lexeme with ease - Beginner's Guide (in Twi and English) YouTube
Tool of the week
Duplicity is a tool on Toolforge that helps find articles on Wikipedia that do not have a Wikidata Item, and match them to an existing Item, or create a new one. (example for English Wikipedia)
HasProperty.js displays presence/absence of specific properties (configurable) after the Statements heading. Clicking a property name will jump to that properties section. For absent property, clicking property name will jump to the end of the page.
mul language code: We continued work on it focusing on showing it in the right place in the desktop termbox (phab:T316767)
Wikibase REST API: We continued working on the endpoints for reading statement data of Properties (both a single statement, and a list of all of a Property’s statement) (phab:T339356, phab:T338383)
Vector 2022 skin: We continued work on improving the search display (phab:T327510)
WMF Governance wiki is now connected to Wikidata so can be linked to in the sitelink section under multilingual sites (phab:T321967)
Greetings User Nthep. As you are an administrator, and the one who took the most recent action at the above page, can you please help me understand what's going on there. I have no idea what a "cd-revdel" is (and never heard of the thing, but for the lecture handed out by User Mako). All I know is that no version of the page's history is "active" beyond the first four or five entries. The rest all have lines through their dates and such, and cannot be accessed, even to view what changes the edits had made.
Can you please shed some light on what has happened, and when the page will return to normal and be editable again? Thank you. ~
(Sorry, can't sign this post. Some new feature crept up on my computer today determined to volunteer how to end any word I begin to type, which I can most certainly live without, and which is preventing me from typing four tildes in a row; instead, it volunteers them in groups of like 20. No thanks.) 2601:196:180:DC0:DE0:B9E6:6D56:9050 (talk) 19:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Back in 2013 someone added a whole load of copyrighted text. Wikipedia policy on flagrant copyright violations is that as well as the offending text being removed, all the revisions that contained the text (i.e. all those between it being added and removed) need to be hidden from public view - that's revdel, short for WP:Revision deletion. The article can be edited normally except you can't see what specific changes were made by each of the hidden edits. That's an unwanted but unavoidable side effect of a copyright violation not being noticed for 10 years. Nthep (talk) 20:04, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Why that is completely insane. And exponential overkill. In fact, everything User Mako did (and requested) was, including starting out with an offensive mass revert (rather than identifying any specific issues he had and dealing with them individually). He correctly identified the Production section as a defacto trivia section. Fine, delete anything unwarranted, and the obvious direct cribs from IMDb (which is what I did, flag the cribs). Everything that happened after that is a nightmare.
The best thing you can do as an administrator is restore this page prior to Mako's edits, then delete the obvious/identifed IMDb cribs. If Mako then has anything he'd like to address, he can - individually, not with any repeat mass revert. Let's see if we can't get this page back on track. Thank you. ~ (Same problem, seemingly the browser - Edge - won't let me insert four consecutive tildes. Just one, or blocks of 20.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:196:180:DC0:B832:7834:9DFB:2E13 (talk) 10:50, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
The copyright issues have been dealt with per policy. If you and Mako have a content dispute over various sections, the start a discussion at the article talk page, Talk:Big Jim McLain. If needs be put your entire proposed content there -as long as it doesn't contain verbatim copy from IMDB - and then have the discussion. Nthep (talk) 11:48, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Jeepers creepers, this just keeps getting more Orwellian. I'm the one who flagged the problem content, not generated it. This whole thing has completely spun out of control since. This is all wild overkill, from mass reverts to putting an entire page and wonking chunk of its history in permanent quarantine. Can't you see that? "Policies". You need to be able to see the bigger picture - you're an administrator. Neutron-bombing the thing should be a last resort, not first, requested by some over-avid WP user or not. ~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:196:180:DC0:B832:7834:9DFB:2E13 (talk) 15:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
I'm the one who flagged the problem content, not generated it. I apologise for suggesting you introduced any copyvio. Just re-edit the article. This is the text of the amendments you made to the plot
Investigators Jim McLain (Wayne) and Mal Baxter (Arness) are sent to Hawaii to track Party activities, with hopes of gaining enough hard evidence against members there to earn convictions. They become interested in everything from insurance fraud to the sabotage of a U.S. naval vessel and plans to have local unions go on strike to prevent the loading and unloading of ships on the Honolulu docks.
After receiving useful information from reporter Phil Briggs (Vernon "Red" McQueen), the agents begin searching for Willie Nomaka, a former party treasurer, who is being treated by psychiatrist Dr. Gelster (Gayne Whitman). The doctor's secretary, Nancy Vallon (Nancy Olson), is helpful, as well. McLain asks her on a date and a romance develops.
Nokama disappears...ostensibly being treated for an (induced) nervous breakdown by Gelster.
Nomaka's landlady, the man-hungry Madge (Veda Ann Borg), assists in the investigation, while flirting with McLain. Nomaka's ex-wife (Madame Soo Yong) is willing, but unable to help McLain. Nomaka is eventually found under another name in a sanitorium, heavily drugged and unable to speak. Party leader Sturak (Alan Napier) gives orders to Dr. Gelster to get rid of him, but before Gelster can McLain rescues Nomaka and takes him to safety. Still, he proves of no value to their investigation. Meanwhile, two of the communists kidnap Baxter, and Gelster accidentally kills him by giving him an injection of Sodium Pentothaltruth serum seeking to learn how much he had discovered.
In spite of the trauma to McLain this causes, his campaign to wed the also enamored Nancy is undaunted.
Sturak orders the members of the communist cell to attend a meeting. He orders Gelster to confess his party membership to the authorities and identify several nonessential members of the "cell" so the government will believe that the cell has been destroyed and the others can continue their work. Those fingered, including Gelster, are unenthusiastic of being arrested and sacrificing themselves to the Party. The meeting is interrupted by McLain, who seeks out Gelster and punches him for killing Baxter. Vastly outnumbered, McLain is losing the brawl that follows, but the police arrive and place the communists under arrest. The men responsible for Baxter's death are convicted of murder, but ultimately McLain and Nancy see the others plead the Fifth Amendment and go free.
Re-insert this into the text, if you wish, then anything that happens subsequently to that is a content dispute between you and whoever and there is no complication due to copyvios being dealt with at the same time. Nthep (talk) 16:05, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for offering at least a partial common sense solution to sorting out the impacted page. Obviously, I had no reason to make any copy of the edits I'd made to the plot section, and am grateful for the chance to restore them intact (less some small modifications I noticed).
As for the still neutron-bombed former Production section, I'd already done a quite diligent cull of what was and was not lifted (more or less verbatim) from IMDb. That's why I used the multiple citation needed spans to identify it (and, ideally, at least gain independent citation of the flagged content, as, honestly, there is no way of knowing which came first - the WP item or that at IMDb (which offers no means of identifying or tracking edits by date and editor); obviously the onus is on it migrating this direction (a copyright violation, it appears) rather than the other (by license not)).
In theory - and I'm not trying to open up a can of worms here - some "baby" went out with the bathwater in the blanket cd:revdel, as there were entries at WP that were not at IMDb. Which is one additional reason I objected to it (and its "overkill", seeming to use a cannon to kill a mouse. On the other hand, every page with a flytrap "trivia" section (or defacto one masquerading as "In popular culture", or "Famous people (associated with a place by getting a haircut there)") could use a good neutron bombing (or its equivalent), but don't get them.)
In fact, I have come to spend more time at IMDb seeking to clean up its trivia (and other glop there regarded as goofs, plot holes, continuity breaks, and whathaveyou), in some ways an even greater labor of Sisyphus than trying to do the same here), certainly more relatively, as there is no mechanism whatsoever there for verification, just some invisible behind-the-scenes "Oz" who either accepts an item (or edit to it) or not. (Quite a game of blind man's poker.)
Thank you for being receptive to my concerns, and offering a partial solution which is about as Solomonic as it's going to get at this point. I appreciate your amicable and professional manner througout. 2601:196:180:DC0:213B:FD85:694A:C56E (talk) 10:39, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
You removed the revdel template from Large Indian civet with the edit summary Copyvio revdel completed, but the page's deletion log is empty and the revisions are still visible in the page history. Was this intentional? If so I'd be curious what your rationale is for not revdeleting since I'm new to copyright cleanup and I appreciate any feedback I can get. — SamX [talk·contribs]23:09, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
@SamX nothing wrong with your edits and tagging. For some reason, perhaps the number of revisions, they didn't delete when I hit the delete button. I've gone back and made sure they've gone this time. Nthep (talk) 08:30, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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