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The Bugle: Issue CXXXVI, August 2017

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Re NHLE Cats

Ok thanks for that A Guy into Books (talk) 20:22, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

You've already linked to Registered Battlefields (UK) in the text and can edit that article to include the reverse link. Nthep (talk) 20:32, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Rosanna Wong

It seems that you have deleted File:Dame Rosanna Wong Yick-ming.jpg in the middle of its deletion request discussion. You have also deleted the discussion record altogether. Please restore the image and its discussion record so that the discussion can continue. --Clithering (talk) 15:09, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

I've restored the talk page to allow discussion to continue. If the consensus is that is a historic image then the file itself can be restored. Nthep (talk) 15:18, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

File:QuakeLive.jpg

Hi Nthep. Thanks for taking a look at File:QuakeLive.jpg. Just for reference, I wasn't requesting that the file be deleted; I was only felt it should be removed from Timothee Besset where it's non-free use did not comply with WP:NFCCP. I'm wondering if there's a way to tweak what you added to File talk:QuakeLive.jpg and change delete to remove. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:59, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

done. Nthep (talk) 22:21, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:52, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi,

Just checking in to say thanks for the info you provided, on the MILHIST talkpage, in regards to my request for help with the 18th Division article.

Kind regards, EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 16:39, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

My pleasure, sorry it couldn't be any more concrete. Nthep (talk) 16:53, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Flags

Yes, tedious subject I know, but despite the lengthy discussions at WP:RL being in favour of removal, my edits to the Super League squad templates are continuously being reverted. I could understand if there was no previous consensus, but there was another clear discussion to get rid of them a few years ago! Would you be too involved to revert these yourself? I'm close to breaking 3RR and I'd rather not have to start a formal dispute over something so trivial. J Mo 101 (talk) 13:03, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi, sorry been away so not on much. I appreciate the frustration but I think I'm too involved in the discussion to revert the edits. Let the RFC run its course and then it can be dealt with then. Nthep (talk) 14:30, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Super league Attendances

Hi there, how do you go about finding the Attendances for regular/super 8 games?

I.e, if the attendance isn't shown on BBC sport, how do you go about finding them?

Is there a website what publishes the results/attendance?

Regards L1amw90 (talk) 21:15, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

@L1amw90: I get League Express each week which quotes attendance etc in the match reports, hence most of the references being to print journalism rather than web :-) Nthep (talk) 22:00, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

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File:Pisoni Estate Logo.jpg

Hi Nthep. I wonder if you would mind checking File:Pisoni Estate Logo.jpg and seeing if it has a non-free use rationale which meets WP:NFCCP. I removed the file from Draft:Pisoni Vineyards and Winery per WP:NFCC#9, but the draft has since been moved to the article namespace by an AfC reviewer. I don't remember the exact details of the file. If it was just a NFCC#9 issue and everything else is OK, perhaps it can be "undeleted" since it can meet WP:NFCC#7. If, by chance, the file is the same one seen on the official website, then it might even be possible to be licensed as {{PD-logo}}. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:16, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: image restored and added to the article. Nthep (talk) 15:40, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks so much. Do you think it needs to be licensed as a non-free logo? -- Marchjuly (talk) 15:41, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
PD-logo may be applicable but I'd get another opinion on it as its more like a signature than simple fonts. Nthep (talk) 15:52, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
I was thinking along the same lines. I'll ask at WP:MCQ. Anyway, thanks again for restoring/re-adding the file. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:02, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

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I am new to this arena Nthep. I am trialling information relating to a book, so just getting used to the interface. I was also looking for information relating to Wiki-meetings in the North of England. THE HERMIT (talk) 18:55, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@THE HERMIT: trialling is fine but use the various sandboxes such as the generic one WP:Sandbox or your won personal one (as you already have done) or one of the template sandboxes like Template:X1. As for meetups check out WP:MEETUP there have been ones in Liverpool and Leeds in the past but not recently. The other place to look is here. Nthep (talk) 19:17, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

VickyKadian

Okay, so I saw you did block the creator of VickyKadian as being a sock puppet, but I couldn't put a db-banned tag as it didn't say who they were a sockpuppet of! Wgolf (talk) 22:26, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

I was still tagging :-) Nthep (talk) 22:38, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Nthep, Harrywood vicky kadian has repeatedly blanked his talk page which suggests that he's trying to clear away the evidence in advance of yet another sock recreating the same material, just as the master did previously - Special:Diff/796358427. Could you extend the blocking on the socks of VVK to cover their talk pages as well. Thanks, Cabayi (talk) 08:39, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
@Cabayi: other than the declined unblock request, removing content from their talk page isn't anything prohibited by WP:BLANKING and even removing the unblock request doesn't really justify revoking talk page access. If they start recreating deleted content on that page or a sub-page then it becomes an issue but I'd be hard pushed to explain tpa revocation at the moment. Nthep (talk) 14:50, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
I can see your point but - as you might have suspected - disagree.
Sockpuppetry notices were excluded from the right-to-blank until removed by Bbb23 last July. I can't see any consensus for that change. Maybe the language could have been clearer, but its removal just gave a free pass to sock-puppeteers to cover their tracks.
Given a confirmed puppeteer, a clear track record of blanking evidence, a block, and blanking of evidence after the block... if you allow the evidence to disappear you're creating a situation where the only users able to spot puppetry will be admins. Cabayi (talk) 16:57, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Sorry but I don't see this as clear cut as you do and I don't see sufficient justification to revoke tpa. You can raise it at [[WP:AN}} to see if another admin thinks there is enough. Nthep (talk) 18:31, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, but I don't want to go admin-shopping. If I've not convinced you, then that's the way it is. I guess I'll have to tackle it with an appropriate user message for the situation - perhaps Clippy with a cheerful "I see you're trying to cover up your history of vandalism & sockpuppetry. Are these the edits you're trying to hide?" would do the job? Cabayi (talk) 19:07, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXVII, September 2017

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Your assistance please...

You deleted File:The Cuban Affair, Novel Cover.jpg as {{db-f5}}

I request you restore it, as it is no longer orphaned.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 03:27, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

@Geo Swan: all done. Nthep (talk) 09:59, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

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PD-Australia restored question

Hi Nthep. Since you were helpful at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions/Archive/2017/September#File:St george team1949.jpg as well as are an admin and OTRS volunteer, I wonder if you'd mind taking a look at File:NJohnstoneFitz.jpg. The licensing of this file was quite recently changed to {{PD-Australia|restored}}, which I believe (based upon the aforementioned MCQ discussion) has a significant affect on the how the file can now be used on Wikipedia. I've already posted messages about this on the uploader's user talk and the user talk of the editor who made the license change, but just want to make sure I've have not posted any incorrect infomation or given any bad advice. If I did please feel free to step in and correct my mistake.

Nothing you have said appears to be incorrect to me. Even if the licence hadn't been changed from {{PD-Australia}} to {{PD-Australia|restored}} it would still have needed an NFCR as it isn't PD in the US.

Also, regarding File:St george team1949.jpg, I'm not sure if you saw my last post in the MCQ thread, but I'm going to start the clean up. My question is that if the team photo is non-free and individual player photos such as File:Doug Fleming 1949.jpg are cropped from the team photo, then shouldn't the individual photos also be treated as non-free (at least in the US) and not moved to Commons. I can add the licenses and rationales for the crops, and remove the team photo from the player articles, but I'm not sure what to do with the team photo after that. I don't think the non-free use of the photo can really be justified in 1949 NSWRFL season since that is not really an article about the team itself and the use in that article appears to be decorative. Removing it from that article as well, however, will make the file an orphan. It might be OK for St. George Dragons#1940s, but again not sure. FWIW, I did notify the team photo's uploader of the MCQ discussion, but they haven't edited in over a month and not sure when they might return. Any suggestions on how to sort this out? Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:52, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Files cropped from the original share the same copyright status as the image they are cropped from. So files like File:Doug Fleming 1949.jpg need an NFCR in the same way as the original does. A rationale a for the original file isn't easy; the decorative tag can be a difficult one to overcome. I'd love to see more images like this used but NFCC#8 precludes most and this may be one of those cases. Nthep (talk) 15:09, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
First, thanks for your comments about the Johnstone photo both here and at User talk:Flickerd. Next, will the deletion of the St. George team photo (assuming a viable non-free use cannot be found) impact the ability to use the individual crops? All of the individual player photos can still be sourced to jubileeavenue.com.au/history/history_team1949.php, right? -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:04, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
I've begun the clean up. Could you take a look at File:Carl Langton 1949.jpg and ckeck to see that I didn't muck things up? If I got that one right, I do the rest the same way. Thanks again for your help. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:51, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
All looks fine to me. The deletion of the team shot doesn't affect shots cropped from it - the rationale for each is independent of any other. Nthep (talk) 12:26, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. I'll try to get the rest this weekend. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:41, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
I've cleaned up the player articles, but came across a few possible problems.
  1. Charlie Banks (rugby league) is not listed as being deceased, and if he was born in 1928 he would be 88 or 89 today. That's well within the 115 years given by WP:BDP, so I don't think we can use a non-free image of him per WP:NFCC#1.
  2. Doug Fleming's infobox says he dies in 1998, but there are no sources cited to support this. I tried Googling, but nothing came up right away. No DOB or YOB is given as well, but I'm assuming he still would be less than 115 if still alive. So, once again, I don't think a non-free image can be used per NFCC#1.
If in doubt, leave it out.
  1. Ron Roberts (rugby league) is listed as having dies in 2003, but it is unsourced; so, there's the same issue as 1 and 2 above. Also, the source given for the image is the same as the one for Pidding image (see below), but this actually looks like it may be cropped from the 1949 team photo. There's also another photo being used in the article with the same "PD-Australia" license, but I don't think this can be justified if needs to be converted to non-free.
Obituary for Roberts. If you aren't happy with the source site as reliable, searching for a match report of the game mentioned where the team wore a black armband might throw up another source.
  1. Noel Pidding is dead and his death is sourced, but the source given for the photo is not the same as the team photo used the others and it doesn't look like a crop from that photo. I can't access the source, so I can't tell what it really is or how it needs to be licensed. If might, however, be possible to use a crop from the 1949 team photo instead. I can ask someone as WP:GL/P to make a crop if needed.
this is a source for the image of Pidding. You can either convert to NFCC or create a new crop and use that.
Any comments you might have on the above would be most appreciated. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:03, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Comments inserted. Nthep (talk) 14:09, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for finding those links. I really appreciate you taking the time. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:25, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
np. Nthep (talk) 14:28, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Another question

Hi Nthep. Would you mind taking a look at File:Gladys Aller Painter.jpeg. I don't think the close of Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 August 9#Gladys Aller files. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the close, but I'm not sure it was implemented correctly with this edit. I think the advice given by Peaceray about requiring OTRS permission was good, and I'm not sure we can just claim this is "PD-author" without something official from the heirs themselves. Ramaksoud200 who closed the discussion hasn't edited since the end of May, and the uploader hasn't edited since February as well, so not sure how to best proceed on this. The file just popped up on my watchlist only because it was just edited which is why I'm noticing this now. Any ideas on how to proceed? -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:41, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Messy. Unless BlueWind13 is the heir then OTRS permission from the heir(s) is required. As Gladys is dead converting this to a non-free file doesn't look to be a problem. Nthep (talk) 12:45, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a look. I had quite a bit of discussion with BlueWind13 on their user talk about various things none of which led me to believe they were one of the heirs. In the FFD, BueWind13 says "The photo is in the collection of her daughter. The photographer is dead." which seems to imply the daughter is the heir. I know sometimes people like to refer to themselves in the third person when they're posting online, but I'm not sure we can base a licensing on such an assumption. I did suggest converting the license of this photo to non-free, but the close made it "PD-Author". Does this need to go to WP:DRV since it is a close of an FFD discussion in order to see if there's a consensus to change the file's licensing to non-free? -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:39, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't think DRV is needed, just WP:BOLD. If someone disagrees then it can get (re)-discussed. Nthep (talk) 13:47, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Being bold is OK, but there's really no source given so to show that the file has been published per WP:NFCC#4 and WP:NFCC#10a. Moreover, the EXIF data shows it is a scan of a photo, but there's nothing about who holds the copyright on it. I cannot find the photo being used anywhere online other than what looks like Wikipedia mirror sites. So, this photo might not satisfy WP:NFCCP given the current information available. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:23, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
I must admit I overlooked that the work was previously unpublished thereby failing NFCC#4. Choices are either start another FFD or tag it for speedy deletion under WP:CSD#F11 - lack of permission. I don't like either but rules is rules; if permission is forthcoming then it can always be restored. Nthep (talk) 13:14, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
After thinking about it a bit, I feel another FFD might be the way to go. Both the uploader and the editor who closed the previous have not edited in awhile so F11 probably will either lead to the image being deleted or the reviewing admin suggesting FFD. Thanks again for taking a look. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:31, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Wrath of Gods

Hello Nthep, I received an "alert" that you reverted one of my edits dated July 7, 2017, but, in fact, the "incomprehensible rubbish" was added by an anon editor here. However, I did make a few spelling corrections to their edit without reading in detail – my mistake. Just wanted to clear that up. Regards. Woodlot (talk) 20:15, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi, absolutely no intent of tarring you with the rubbish edit and I hit return before adding the IP address but in rolling back it included your spelling corrections - sorry about that. Nthep (talk) 20:21, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

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Super league XXIII

Hi, I've edited the page Super League XXIII... Added all the stuff for next season, just similar to the super league xxii page. When I try and search for it on wiki, it isn't finding it for some reason. Any chance you could have a look to see if I have missed anything out?

Thanks... L1amw90 (talk) 03:21, 1 October 2017 (UTC) L1amw90 (talk) 03:21, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

As a new page it takes some time for Google and other search engines to catch up. In a few days it'll be fine. The only obvious thing jumping out at the moment is that somehow you've got Hull KR in the West Yorkshire map :-P Just need to await the fixture list to do the big job in setting all the result tables up. I don't know if you saw the discussion at WP:Wikiproject RL about the Super8s article and the agreement to cut it up and add the relevant material into the divisonal articles. This means we won't have the apparant situation of SL finishing after 23 games but the article will then flow onto the Super8s, the playoffs and the grand final. Nthep (talk) 09:20, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

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20:59:28, 5 October 2017 review of submission by Afarin Majidi


Hi, I'm trying to revise the AIS page. I made it less adsy and more neutral. They are a huge agency here in Ca and it deserves a page. As for not having sources, they range from Bloomberg news to LA times and Insurance Times. As for much of it being lifted from the website, it's only bare bones facts like what kinds of products they offer and dates. I followed the format of AON's wikipedia page. Please tell me if it's okay now. Thanks.

Sorry but it still looks like an ad or at least a series of bullet points to me. If you sort the layout out and use inline references so that what statememt is supported by what source becomes apparent will be stepping in the right direction. Nthep (talk) 21:24, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXVIII, October 2017

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Vandalism reversion without warning

Hi, thanks for reverting that vandal on Termite. However, as he had already been reverted twice and warned twice, you should at that stage immediately have issued a Level 3 (or perhaps 4) warning as he was plainly up to no good. I've done it now on his 4th attempt. Many thanks Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Any more and him and his probable sock are going straight into the block zone. Nthep (talk) 17:33, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
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